Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 20, 2012, 09:40:58 PM
This is the most ridiculous comment you've made, ever.

You just refused to prove your assertion.  You think demanding empirical evidence that your hypothesis is true is childish?  Are all scientists children now?

Did you establish a precedent that we can make any proof we desire, without proof?

You do realize by asking me to prove the possibility, of which no one has the tools to effect, you are coming off as a complete moron.

My proof is the fact that I breathe and I can spin your ass in circles and you seem to enjoy the abuse.
God gave me the ability of self gratification, in which I glean from your suffering.

Your turn, Prove beyond empirical doubt that God does not exist.

QuoteThe irony here is delicious, given that you don't realize I was quoting you.   

So your entire response was to ignore the question and repeat mine.
Do you know the definition of insanity?

To which I'll ask again, who do you think created the universe?

QuoteBecause you say so, of course.  Do you think repeating the most cliched philosophical musings constitutes as a scientific theory?

Translation: I already heard that on, tell me something new.
Try learning on your own for a change.

QuoteDramatic irony at its finest.

Hint: when your response to an argument is to post a vague deflection-ad hominem and entirely fail to even attempt to address the actual point, you're full of shit.

No, it's what happens when a teacher spends an entire class time, only to have the student come and ask him to explain the entire session.
Let me give you a bit of proof that a soul does exist in all living creatures.
Look up the Soviet scientist Kirlian and his work.

QuoteYou did not understand a word I said.  You don't understand that Science is perfectly capable of understanding our own existence through logical thought, and that no amount of appeals to ignorance will change the facts.

Man, you really are an arrogant little piss. If science can't prove it, it does not exist?

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Your response to every objection I bring up is "I can't possibly know the answer...but it still must be true!

You see, I know that Obama really is the messiah, sent down by the Almighty to save us from the satanist republicans.  Don't ask me for proof; I'll just laugh at you and call you a child.   

Because you say so. 

What part of "finding your own path" do you not get?
Life did not come with a map, for a very good reason, it would spoil the journey, if you knew where you were going, let alone came from.
Life is a treasure hunt, and if and when you find the treasure, your journey is complete.
Myself, I have found that treasure and I'm enjoying it immensely, you on the other hand got off the path because of your hatred for all Religions has soured you from finding your own answers.

QuoteYour logic is that we are all a part of this magical entity that cannot be perceived, cannot be detected, does not tangibly affect us and whose existence of I present no proof...but if you don't believe in it, you're ignorant!

Yes, not just you, but all of us, were all ignorant for a good reason, which I've already explained.

QuoteHow is this relevant to whether or not it is real?

Try and keep up, I won't repeat it again.

QuoteYep.  When we apply for a driver's license, we need proof of lawful residence.  When a lawyer makes a claim in a case, proof is typically asked for.  When I tell you that magical monkeys live on mars, you will require proof.  God is no exception.  That everybody adamantly refuses to actually provide proof of his existence is simply because none exists.

Did your parents ask for proof of your existence when you entered the world?
Your mere existence was proof enough for them, as is mine, I'm here, and therefore I thank Good for my existence.

QuoteCorrect.  And there is no afterlife, and there is no magical oneness with reality.  Deal with it.

You're a riot! Since I have never seen it, therefore is my proof, it does not exist.?

Apparently my journey wasn't over yet and I have been given proof of that since those days.

QuoteBurden of proof fallacy.

Oh I see how it works, your belief is the correct one and everyone else has to prove theirs.
What are you, ten years old?

QuoteLack of understanding?  You believe that fishes are the only sea creatures!

This doesn't even warrant this much of a response.

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Lack of belief?  Sure; "belief", ie faith here, is the willful suspension of disbelief to believe in something without evidence.  Does this sound logical to you?

It's like trying to prove emotion, love and hate, not everyone experiences emotion the same, some not at all.
To a person born of blindness, could you explain sight to them?

Quote Clearly, whales are fish. 

O....Kkkkk

QuoteYou see, a scientist would actually use methods from which to derive an answer, using a logical method of analysis and experimentation.  You just assume that you cannot know, so you make up a bullshit story to tell of it.

And science is limited, but yet most scientists have some belief in a higher power.

QuoteRed herring.

Because you didn't like your faith questioned, or lack thereof?

QuoteGiven that my response made an argument and your response fails to even attempt to address it, I win by default.

You say nothing that makes sense, then claim victory when no answer is possible?

QuoteDo you talk with your spirits for advice?

You can call it whatever you like, but whether you talk to it or not, is irrelevant, it's the connection that is important.
Do you seriously beleiev this is it< that that you are completely alone here, that everyone around you is wandering lost and when it's over, are gone from all existence?
Or is there just an inkling of a possibility that there might be more after this?

QuoteBy understand, do you mean figure out through deduction and experimentation, or make up a tale and refuse to substantiate it?

Or is it your arrogance blocking your understanding, Grrass Hoppa?

QuoteArrogant?  Precisely the opposite is what believing that this is the only life you've got does; it gives humility, rather than making up a fairy tale to keep away the dark.

As well as ignorance, but your arrogance gets in the way of your understanding.
Yes, this is most likely the only human life you'll experience, anyway I hope so, I wouldn't want to repeat this experience for the world.

QuoteI have moral beliefs.  I have standards; these are all abstract, subjective values.  I do not use faith to explain factual phenomena, any more than you would use faith to elect a leader.

And what builds the basis of your morals, or holds you to them?
What is stopping you from doing as you please, a false set of belief that it is wrong, or is there an unseen entity that set these standards long before your existence?

QuoteHey; I've refrained from insulting you until you brought out the guns yourself.  Even now, I only present the possibility that you are a moron.

I look at you, as I do a child, one with a long path ahead of them, but pity you, because your time is running out.

QuoteYou know, I'm doing this all with the assumption that you're just trolling around with me; the joke is still on you, given that you fail to realize that your made-up fantasy is hardly more ridiculous than creationism at all.

I can understand your hatred of Religion, I empathize a bit as well, but you really need to overcome this hatred, it is a roadblock to expanding your understanding of your place and purpose here.
When I discovered part of my purpose, it was very freeing to find I had a place, belonged, if you will.

Screw Religion, take up meditation as a starting place, that is merely looking within to find answers to more questions that will help you understand your place.

You see, I have something you don't, and your inability to conceive of what I have, frustrates you.
The fact that I have found answers to my questions only completes me.
Take your own journey, you won't regret it, there is far more to life than merely existing.
The fact that you follow a very narrow path through is evidence enough.
That path being pretty much a boring American standard of living. Believe me, there is far more out there, seek it out, I did.

Quote from: mdgiles on July 21, 2012, 07:28:02 AM
As we have no idea what existed before the Big Bang arguing for, or against, Intelligent Design - as a first cause - makes no logical sense.

This argument is akin to proclaiming that, because we cannot know for sure whether or not Julius Caesar really existed, we cannot, through examination of the evidence, come to a very reasonable conclusion that he actually did.  Your anti-intellectual and lazy "we can't know for absolute certainty, so all theories are equally likely to be true, no matter how supportable through solid evidence" attitude is, fortunately, not shared by all of history's greatest scientists and philosophers.

Are you under the impression that certainty is an either/or proposition; that, if one cannot prove beyond any ludicrous doubt that something is true (which applies to everything), all theories must be equally plausible?  Is it equally viable to trust the rigorously examined conclusions drawn by 99% of the scientific community based on thousands of fossil records and DNA testing, or a belief system that prides itself on believing in shit on the basis of faith? 

I support both because they re interesting, spark debate and critical thinking.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 29, 2012, 05:59:30 PM
I support both because they re interesting, spark debate and critical thinking.

So you support scientific theories not based on whether or not they are correct, but whether or not they are "interesting"?  And how does raising our kids with the belief that god creating Eve from Adam's rib is a plausible scientific theory "spark debate and critical thinking"? 

This is what happens when morons try to legislate science with a religious mindset.  Creationism was already widely discredited in the scientific community four hundred years ago, and you still think it's anything different than the Greek creation myth.

"to that Undescovered Country, from whose bourn no traveller returns."

I think Shakepeare had it right.  The hereafter shall forever remain that undescovered country.  And no one ever returns to tell us about it.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 30, 2012, 11:57:01 AM
So you support scientific theories not based on whether or not they are correct, but whether or not they are "interesting"?  And how does raising our kids with the belief that god creating Eve from Adam's rib is a plausible scientific theory "spark debate and critical thinking"? 

This is what happens when morons try to legislate science with a religious mindset.  Creationism was already widely discredited in the scientific community four hundred years ago, and you still think it's anything different than the Greek creation myth.

I support the DISCUSSION of both.

I thought that would have been obvious.

But it wasn't so I will repost it in a manner the training wheels crew will understand.

I support elective classes on both theories because they will invite discussion and critical thinking.

I'll have to respectfully disagree.  It's great to present different cultural viewpoints and let the kids decide, when they're old enough, based on the merits of each choice.  But when it comes to facts, there should be no candering to the golden mean.  We don't teach kids to "consider" the flat earth theory by holding it as an elective.

You don't have to believe in GOD.  He believes in you.

Quote from: rich_t on August 01, 2012, 02:34:53 PM
You don't have to believe in GOD.  He believes in you.

Does he believe in holocaust victims?