Quote from: taxed on January 26, 2023, 01:01:41 PMYou said you watched the videos... I knew you didn't and caught you in a lie.  You're a liar.

Right, I said I watched the videos because I THOUGHT I watched ALL the videos. Me believing I watched all the videos, and being wrong, doesn't make me a liar. It makes me wrong. If you weren't so obtuse you'd see that.

QuoteAgain, it's why you botched "poaching", because you don't know what that is, and didn't know Crowder proved that DW was doing that on Pool's show, which again, YOU DIDN'T WATCH!

Well, no shit.  I didn't watch the third video because I only got a few posts into the thread, watched what I believed to be all related videos, and replied.  YOU said poaching had nothing to do with Crowder.  The fact that I clearly thought it did SHOULD have been a clear sign that something was missing.  That "something" was me not watching the third video.

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Quote from: Sauce on January 27, 2023, 04:06:27 AMWith all due respect, it's not about how you look at it, it's about how Crowder thinks of it.   Its not about penalties verses rewards to him, it's about how they do business, cow towing to Big Tech and more specifically "Big Social" handicapping the growth of the conservative movement.

EXACTLY!!!

Quote from: Sauce on January 27, 2023, 04:06:27 AMWith all due respect, it's not about how you look at it, it's about how Crowder thinks of it.   Its not about penalties verses rewards to him, it's about how they do business, cow towing to Big Tech and more specifically "Big Social" handicapping the growth of the conservative movement.

Daily Wire, as their representative mentioned in the video, isn't a non-profit.  They are a business that has to be concerned about financial stability. As a result, they rely their talent's social media presence, as described in the offer to Crowder, to pay their bills.  If Crowder does something dumb, and gets kicked off of Twitter, Youtube, etc, there's a business impact.

That is completely separate from the anti-censorship aspect.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on January 26, 2023, 11:05:34 PMQuoting me was at least was discussing the Daily Wire video. I never viewed his post as anything else. My comment was about Crowder, and Zen's comment was about Daily Wire.

Regardless how the offer was presented, it was interesting information. I see as "glass half empty" in nature (focused on penalties), when it should have been "glass half full" (focused on rewards). I am looking at this not as a political mindset, but a business mindset.

I don't necessarily see recruiting as poaching. It ultimately comes down to the person. Money, or loyalty. What is personally important to you. It's like the wife blaming the hooker when the husband cheats.

It must be sad to live in a world where you have no respect for others.  DW had zero respect for Crowder, hence why they give him an insulting, disrespectful deal, and tried to steal employees behind his back.

Quote from: ZenMode on January 27, 2023, 04:36:28 AMRight, I said I watched the videos because I THOUGHT I watched ALL the videos.

No. I caught you in a lie.

QuoteMe believing I watched all the videos, and being wrong, doesn't make me a liar. It makes me wrong. If you weren't so obtuse you'd see that.

You never batted an eye when I said you didn't watch the video... you doubled and tripled down and continued to lie and assume "poaching" was in reference to Crowder.

QuoteWell, no shit.  I didn't watch the third video because I only got a few posts into the thread, watched what I believed to be all related videos, and replied.  YOU said poaching had nothing to do with Crowder.  The fact that I clearly thought it did SHOULD have been a clear sign that something was missing.  That "something" was me not watching the third video.

You lied and got caught.  That's all.  You are famous for not knowing the material or information, yet arguing it anyway, which is what you attempted to do here.

You're a liar.  At no time did you attempt to clarify, but instead doubled down on your lie.

Stop lying.  Life will be better for you.

Quote from: ZenMode on January 27, 2023, 07:41:12 AMDaily Wire, as their representative mentioned in the video, isn't a non-profit.

Neither is Crowder.  Paying DW for the rights to own all Crowder's content and Mug Club revenue in perpetuity isn't a serious deal, and they disrespected and wasted Crowder's time... THEN went after his employees.

QuoteThey are a business that has to be concerned about financial stability.

That's very nice of you to be concerned for them to find that stability with Silicon Valley terms of service.

QuoteAs a result, they rely their talent's social media presence,

Crowder was already demonetized on YouTube.  Care to try again?

Quoteas described in the offer to Crowder, to pay their bills.  If Crowder does something dumb, and gets kicked off of Twitter, YouTube, etc, there's a business impact.

You forgot about the Mug Club revenue he brings to DW that MORE than makes up for revenue that wouldn't be lost because he's demonetized.  Care to try again?

QuoteThat is completely separate from the anti-censorship aspect.

You really don't get this, do you?

Quote from: taxed on January 27, 2023, 08:42:10 AMNeither is Crowder.  Paying DW for the rights to own all Crowder's content and Mug Club revenue in perpetuity isn't a serious deal, and they disrespected and wasted Crowder's time... THEN went after his employees.

Oh, this is exciting.  Turnabout is fair play, right?  With that being said, you are a LIAR!  The contract stated, if you actually watched the DW response, that DW owns Crowders back catalog (things DW didn't produce) during the term of the contract only, not perpetuity.

QuoteThat's very nice of you to be concerned for them to find that stability with Silicon Valley terms of service.

I'm not concerned.  I don't work for DW and don't benefit financially by their existence.

QuoteCrowder was already demonetized on YouTube.  Care to try again?

I'm aware of that.  It was just an example of a media platform mentioned in the contract

QuoteYou forgot about the Mug Club revenue he brings to DW that MORE than makes up for revenue that wouldn't be lost because he's demonetized.  Care to try again?

Even if true, which is not a guarantee, that's part of the negotiations.  Per the DW video, which you apparently didn't watch, Crowder didn't even know how many subscribers he had.

QuoteYou really don't get this, do you?

Says the known liar 

Quote from: ZenMode on January 27, 2023, 10:03:05 AMOh, this is exciting.  Turnabout is fair play, right?  With that being said, you are a LIAR!  The contract stated, if you actually watched the DW response, that DW owns Crowders back catalog (things DW didn't produce) during the term of the contract only, not perpetuity.

Why do you keep lying?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyJBb_ddp5Q

QuoteI'm not concerned.  I don't work for DW and don't benefit financially by their existence.

You are correct, you don't financially benefit from being informed about ANY news or current events.

QuoteI'm aware of that.  It was just an example of a media platform mentioned in the contract

Wow.

QuoteEven if true, which is not a guarantee, that's part of the negotiations.  Per the DW video, which you apparently didn't watch, Crowder didn't even know how many subscribers he had.

Crowder does know a minimum number of subscribers he has, which is at least 350k.

That means he has more than that.  I'll score that as half a lie, as it's technically correct, but your attempt to imply he has no idea at all to even leverage in negotiations is a lie.

Quote from: taxed on January 27, 2023, 10:51:31 AMWhy do you keep lying?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyJBb_ddp5Q

Sorry, but it appears that Crowder is as much a liar as you.
 DW shows the offer each step of the way, so it's clear as day.

If the video doesn't automatically do it, just skip to 14:20.

https://youtu.be/NyCc5o1KDHU?t=838

Quote from: ZenMode on January 27, 2023, 11:20:29 AMSorry, but it appears that Crowder is as much a liar as you.
 DW shows the offer each step of the way, so it's clear as day.

If the video doesn't automatically do it, just skip to 14:20.

https://youtu.be/NyCc5o1KDHU?t=838

No. Daily Wire would take Mug Club rev IN PERPETUITY, just as The Blaze is/has been doing.  That's why Crowder doesn't know his actual Mug Club numbers.  That's why Crowder is so valuable, because he brings those paying members.

It's really odd you don't understand or grasp that.

You may not know this, but when Crowder/Gerald says "100% of the company", that actually includes 100% of the company, including Mug Club, which is part of the company.

Boering also contradicted himself when he said Crowder likes to produce his own content, and in your clip, he'd own content because DW produced it (...but they said the deal was tailored to Crowder doing his own production??).

Try again.....

Quote from: taxed on January 27, 2023, 11:37:16 AMNo. Daily Wire would take Mug Club rev IN PERPETUITY, just as The Blaze is/has been doing.  That's why Crowder doesn't know his actual Mug Club numbers.  That's why Crowder is so valuable, because he brings those paying members.

It's really odd you don't understand or grasp that.

You may not know this, but when Crowder/Gerald says "100% of the company", that actually includes 100% of the company, including Mug Club, which is part of the company.

Boering also contradicted himself when he said Crowder likes to produce his own content, and in your clip, he'd own content because DW produced it (...but they said the deal was tailored to Crowder doing his own production??).

Try again.....

Why do you keep lying.  You didn't say Mug Club revenue.  You said ALL content  and mug club revenue:

Neither is Crowder.  Paying DW for the rights to own all Crowder's content and Mug Club revenue in perpetuity isn't a serious deal, and they disrespected and wasted Crowder's time... THEN went after his employees.

Quote from: ZenMode on January 27, 2023, 11:57:51 AMWhy do you keep lying.  You didn't say Mug Club revenue.  You said ALL content  and mug club revenue:

Neither is Crowder.  Paying DW for the rights to own all Crowder's content and Mug Club revenue in perpetuity isn't a serious deal, and they disrespected and wasted Crowder's time... THEN went after his employees.

It's almost as if there was a reason Crowder didn't move forward with the deal.  Care to guess why that was?

Quote from: taxed on January 27, 2023, 12:18:17 PMIt's almost as if there was a reason Crowder didn't move forward with the deal.  Care to guess why that was?

So, why did you lie about DW keeping all of Crowder's content when they weren't going to?

Quote from: ZenMode on January 27, 2023, 01:21:06 PMSo, why did you lie about DW keeping all of Crowder's content when they weren't going to?

Pop quiz: Who owns "What is a women?" forever in perpetuity, just like they wanted to do with Crowder's content?

(hint: not Matt Walsh)

Quote from: taxed on January 27, 2023, 04:15:18 PMPop quiz: Who owns "What is a women?" forever in perpetuity, just like they wanted to do with Crowder's content?

(hint: not Matt Walsh)

Doubling down on the lies. Nice!  Had you actually watched the DW video to under stand the offer, which you clearly did not, anything Crowder made BEFORE signing on with DW, he gets back when/if he leaves DW.

Yes, anything a DW employee makes, while employed at DW, DW owns the rights to. 

Of course, you lied and said ALL content.

Why do you keep lying??