Everyone expects to see the inflammatory statements coming from the radical racist racial instigators, such as Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and the NAACP, and they have not let us down.  However we have not been used to this country's government participating in this, until this administration.

Tonight I was disturbed to see the lead headline over at Drudge was a the DOJ putting a hold on all the evidence in Florida despite Zimmerman having been acquitted, with a big photo of Holder with his head down, and title underneath "HE CAN'T HAVE HIS GUN BACK". 


Now, I recognize that Holder didn't actually say this himself, at least not publicly, but that's the essence of what the DOJ is doing 

Despite the fact that the evidence is no longer relevant to a crime, despite the fact that Zimmerman was acquitted, and despite the fact that Zimmerman admitted to shooting Martin and Zimmerman was acquitted as a result of self defense,  the evidence is till being held. All the evidence.   

The only bright point in this "all" the evidence still being held seems to be overlooked, is that Martin's phone is also being held, as well as all the evidence retrieved from that phone, inclusive photos of a cache of jewelry on top of a bed (criminal evidence for outstanding crimes), and the  Martin's prolific fighting and desire to trade in firearms.

I see there being a big problem with Zimmerman not being allowed his firearm returned, as is stipulated in Florida law, particularly given all the death threats against him.   This could end up very badly with Zimmerman being killed and people having cause for real outrage against our own government, and particularly given the corruption evident in the Department of InJustice.

The other thing that bothers me is that there is quite literally no allowance in the Constitution for any sort of laws applicable to the states themselves, no "civil rights laws", no "hate crime" legislation,  no "environmental mandates", and no allowance of a slate of laws that are  federal criminal status, with elevated federal penalties.

The federal government has quite literally no legislative authority over the states themselves, with even "interstate Commerce" clause being intended to be limited to that interstate traffic itself, and being only intended to sure that the barriers to trade are "regularized", or equal among the various states. 

The federal government only has constitutional authority for laws applicable to 4 areas of U.S territory:  1) the 10x10 mile square area we know today as the District of Columbia 2)  arsenals,  forts  and military bases, 3) Lands designated as federal parks, etc, and 4)  territory that is prospective future states (and these are obviously not within any existing state).

Baring any evidence of astonishing proportions that Zimmerman is somehow a racist black hunter, I see no legitimate cause for the DOJ to be investigating this as any sort of a racial civil rights violation, particularly given the fact that Zimmerman was brutally attacked and undeniably acting in self defense.

Any other thoughts on this?

QuoteAny other thoughts on this?

Other than the fact that this horse has been beaten into dust? Nope.

Quote from: Solar on July 18, 2013, 06:52:03 PM
Other than the fact that this horse has been beaten into dust? Nope.

Strange, it looks like this horse of many colors has free roam of the pasture, is making all kinds of hay, and is doing quite well!

What will be serious problem is if one of these death threats makes good, and Zimmerman is murdered while denied his gun.

But you keep on with your "nothing to see here, move along folks" routine.  That seems to be consistently your patter. 

Quote from: Trip on July 18, 2013, 07:05:00 PM
Strange, it looks like this horse of many colors has free roam of the pasture, is making all kinds of hay, and is doing quite well!

What will be serious problem is if one of these death threats makes good, and Zimmerman is murdered while denied his gun.

But you keep on with your "nothing to see here, move along folks" routine.  That seems to be consistently your patter.

Where is it written he has lost his 2nd Amendment right?
Answer: He didn't, he can always get another, Hell, I'll hive him one of mine, and I'm certain I'm not alone.
But you do know he doesn't want the gun back, and it should be destroyed so it doesn't become a symbol.

Outside of that, there is no point to the story.

Quote from: Solar on July 18, 2013, 07:08:32 PM
Where is it written he has lost his 2nd Amendment right?
Answer: He didn't, he can always get another, Hell, I'll hive him one of mine, and I'm certain I'm not alone.
But you do know he doesn't want the gun back, and it should be destroyed so it doesn't become a symbol.

Outside of that, there is no point to the story.

That's right, because the gun was the problem,  not the entitlement behavior of some in this country.

And its always a good thing to establish a federal policy of our guns being "one shot deals",  like fireworks.   You shoot it off, and, it's gone.  "Good plan".

And no point here beyond the gun itself? NO point here that the DOJ is itself a racist and racially motivated institution, having no regard for facts, no regard for the rule of law, and every intent to hound legitimate, lawful citizens, even one of them, whenever it suits their interest?

But there's "Nothing to see here folks, move along!"  "That's a dead horse, it didnt really move"...

I'm beginning to get the impression that you're a proud card-carrying member of the GOP....

Quote from: Trip on July 18, 2013, 07:17:12 PM
That's right, because the gun was the problem,  not the entitlement behavior of some in this country.

And its always a good thing to establish a federal policy of our guns being "one shot deals",  like fireworks.   You shoot it off, and, it's gone.  "Good plan".

And no point here beyond the gun itself? NO point here that the DOJ is itself a racist and racially motivated institution, having no regard for facts, no regard for the rule of law, and every intent to hound legitimate, lawful citizens, even one of them, whenever it suits their interest?

But there's "Nothing to see here folks, move along!"  "That's a dead horse, it didnt really move"...

I'm beginning to get the impression that you're a proud card-carrying member of the GOP....

I see, you don't believe in states Rights.
It's Florida that kept the piece, not Holder himself.

Yeah, I'm a RINO from the word go, yeah, that's me.

My point about it being a worthless story is we've beaten the shit out of it, just like the Marxist wanted us to.
They have used it as a distraction for all the obvious reasons, which is a perfectly good reason we need to "Move along" as you stated.

The circus is over, the fat bitch sang and made a fool of herself on the stand, the jury has spoken, and that should have been the final word on the subject, but people still feel the need to be a pawn of the left and keep their dream of race division alive by keeping this story front and center, it's time to focus on the real issues facing the country and let the left die with this crap.

Just read the latest, Florida will return his gun.
I was going on what his lawyer said last week when asked if he could get his gun back and his lawyer said Florida would keep it and Zimmerman didn't want it back because he wanted to move forward.

So yes, the DOJ is full of shit.

Quote from: Solar on July 18, 2013, 07:30:58 PM
I see, you don't believe in states Rights.
It's Florida that kept the piece, not Holder himself.

How in the hell do you get that statement from ANYTHING I said!  Nowhere is anything I said even remotely a "states rights" issue. 

In fact, if anything, I am arguing in favor of states rights and the decision resolves by a state court of Zimmerman's lack of guilt.

The DOJ's possible pursuit of  "civil rights" action against zimmerman is a violation of not only those "states rights" but also a violation of legitimate federal authority, which in no way  applies to making up statutes and applying them to state territories and populace, much less hounding lawful private citizens for fabricated racial civil rights violations.

THere's a reason that federal government was prohibited from any effect upon "rights", and particularly there award, or their policing, and unfortunately some are all too slow on the pickup despite this having gone on since the Civil War. 

Nothing I said was contrary to states rights, and you're clearly just fabricating nonsense as you go.

Quote from: Solar on July 18, 2013, 07:30:58 PM
Yeah, I'm a RINO from the word go, yeah, that's me.

Actually,  given your comment history. you're a prime candidate for CINO.

I no longer give a damn about RINO's because the Republican Party has established it is a lost cause, unwilling to step into the breach, and every bit as much a threat to this country and our freedoms as the "other" party.

Quote from: Solar on July 18, 2013, 07:30:58 PM
My point about it being a worthless story is we've beaten the shit out of it, just like the Marxist wanted us to.
They have used it as a distraction for all the obvious reasons, which is a perfectly good reason we need to "Move along" as you stated.


The circus is over, the fat bitch sang and made a fool of herself on the stand, the jury has spoken, and that should have been the final word on the subject, but people still feel the need to be a pawn of the left and keep their dream of race division alive by keeping this story front and center, it's time to focus on the real issues facing the country and let the left die with this crap.

Beaten the shit out of it? You mean the story is over, and the trial is done.

I got news for you, oh Solar Illuminated One, but it ain't over, and the Fat Lady is not just in the bleachers, but has the Stage, and claims to own the stadium, and is screaming her ass off to go kill Zimmerman, steal stuff, and pound the crap outta whitey, because Zimmerman should have taken the lethal assault from Martin and not done anything. 

It's not over. It's only just begun. Look at the headlines.  Look at what's going on, and the fact that NO ONE is telling these people that the nonsense they're spouting is not just wrong, but it's criminal!  It is a lit fuse and since it's not being extinguished now, it will either go off now, or the explosives from this will be applied to something else at the earliest convenience.

And frankly, you're a Fool if you don't realize that.

Quote from: Solar on July 18, 2013, 07:08:32 PM
Where is it written he has lost his 2nd Amendment right?
Answer: He didn't, he can always get another, Hell, I'll hive him one of mine, and I'm certain I'm not alone.
But you do know he doesn't want the gun back, and it should be destroyed so it doesn't become a symbol.

Outside of that, there is no point to the story.

If he can't find a gun shop in Orlando, he simply isn't worried about his safety. Once this breaks more widely, expect to see a few buy-him-a-gun groups start up. He'll get a free arsenal to choose from.

Quote from: Trip on July 18, 2013, 07:48:21 PM
How in the hell do you get that statement from ANYTHING I said!  Nowhere is anything I said even remotely a "states rights" issue. 

In fact, if anything, I am arguing in favor of states rights and the decision resolves by a state court of Zimmerman's lack of guilt.

The DOJ's possible pursuit of  "civil rights" action against zimmerman is a violation of not only those "states rights" but also a violation of legitimate federal authority, which in no way  applies to making up statutes and applying them to state territories and populace, much less hounding lawful private citizens for fabricated racial civil rights violations.

THere's a reason that federal government was prohibited from any effect upon "rights", and particularly there award, or their policing, and unfortunately some are all too slow on the pickup despite this having gone on since the Civil War. 

Nothing I said was contrary to states rights, and you're clearly just fabricating nonsense as you go.

Actually,  given your comment history. you're a prime candidate for CINO.

I no longer give a damn about RINO's because the Republican Party has established it is a lost cause, unwilling to step into the breach, and every bit as much a threat to this country and our freedoms as the "other" party.

Beaten the shit out of it? You mean the story is over, and the trial is done.

I got news for you, oh Solar Illuminated One, but it ain't over, and the Fat Lady is not just in the bleachers, but has the Stage, and claims to own the stadium, and is screaming her ass off to go kill Zimmerman, steal stuff, and pound the crap outta whitey, because Zimmerman should have taken the lethal assault from Martin and not done anything. 

It's not over. It's only just begun. Look at the headlines.  Look at what's going on, and the fact that NO ONE is telling these people that the nonsense they're spouting is not just wrong, but it's criminal!  It is a lit fuse and since it's not being extinguished now, it will either go off now, or the explosives from this will be applied to something else at the earliest convenience.

And frankly, you're a Fool if you don't realize that.

As I posted above, I was going off what his attorney said, obviously he was wrong, but he did say Goerge did not want the gun back.
And no, the State should tell the DOJ to take a flying leap, and if they cave, George should personally start at the top and sue the pants off the Governor on down.
The DOJ has absolutely no say in the matter. Period!

Quote
I got news for you, oh Solar Illuminated One, but it ain't over, and the Fat Lady is not just in the bleachers, but has the Stage, and claims to own the stadium, and is screaming her ass off to go kill Zimmerman, steal stuff, and pound the crap outta whitey, because Zimmerman should have taken the lethal assault from Martin and not done anything. 

It's not over. It's only just begun. Look at the headlines.  Look at what's going on, and the fact that NO ONE is telling these people that the nonsense they're spouting is not just wrong, but it's criminal!  It is a lit fuse and since it's not being extinguished now, it will either go off now, or the explosives from this will be applied to something else at the earliest convenience.

Obviously my points went right over your head. However, the only way to diffuse it, is to ignore the media and move forward, they only have power as long as we give it to them, so lets put a nail in it and move along.

Ever notice how the left float these balloons to see what kind of reaction they get, kind of like Clinton's windsock finger taking polls on which way to lead.
Well that's exactly what Holder is doing, if he can gain traction and thinks it scores political points, then he'll escalate his offense, if it goes nowhere, the media will find another cover story for Hussein illegal activities and you'll never hear another word about it.

This is why I say we need to ignore the left and see to it these stories die, we have the ability to effect public opinion, lets use that podium to make some positive change for our side for a change.

Am I getting through here?

Quote from: Solar on July 18, 2013, 08:14:06 PM
Obviously my points went right over your head. However, the only way to diffuse it, is to ignore the media and move forward, they only have power as long as we give it to them, so lets put a nail in it and move along.

Ever notice how the left float these balloons to see what kind of reaction they get, kind of like Clinton's windsock finger taking polls on which way to lead.
Well that's exactly what Holder is doing, if he can gain traction and thinks it scores political points, then he'll escalate his offense, if it goes nowhere, the media will find another cover story for Hussein illegal activities and you'll never hear another word about it.

This is why I say we need to ignore the left and see to it these stories die, we have the ability to effect public opinion, lets use that podium to make some positive change for our side for a change.

Am I getting through here?

Your point did not "go over my head". You have no point, much less points.

What you have is an ineffective and dangerous "normalcy bias", relying on the status quo, and some misguided belief that doing nothing is somehow taking the higher ground, meanwhile the incrementalism that has been taking over our government with a de facto coup goes unchecked, and   has corrupted our very  justice system itself.

Naw, nothing to worry about here.  No one has ever recognized that when man can no longer rely on the rule of law, then they engage the rule of men!

These aren't "balloons" being floated; these are enormous swaths of our government  and  freedom being taken from us under the claim of "crises", wish even the voiced philosophy of "crises being a terrible thing to waste..".

This isn't some irrelevant question about "which way to lead" and if you imagine it is, you're lost in your storybook idealization.  This is the final minutes of the game and the mad dash for the end-zone to bring about the collapse of society, so as to engage their "fundamental change".  The only thing they're gauging is the best actions to get the optimal response in turmoil and anger, and what they're relying on is a great many of us doing absolutely nothing, and never calling foul on them. This is precisely how other societies fell to totalitarian regimes.

If you believe this is anything like legitimate governance, you're mistaken, but it's not just from the left.

Curiously the GOP has precisely your same game plan: do nothing.

And the GOP's plan really has been nothing but enablers.

By all means, let's  sit idly by while the media plays Martin as just an innocent black child who was murdered in cold blood while coming back from getting skittles and iced tea, and not a street thug who jumped the wrong guy.   

Let's not raise our voices as an equally criminal DOJ plans to play the victim card for Martin to hang an innocent Zimmerman.

Oh I get what you're saying alright.  The problem is that what you're saying is precisely what got us to the brink of the cliff we stand upon right now.





 

How is this legal?

We've beaten the dead horse that was the circus of a trial, but we've barely touched on the illegal behavior of the federal government.

Personally, I think that if Obama, Holder, or anybody else in the federal government engages in illegal, unconstitutional behavior, they should simply be ignored; forcing their hand.

I don't mean that they should personally be ignored, but any orders that they issue.

It's imperative that we act on the local and state level, and there are lots of neat ways to do it.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/eastern-plains/town-of-deer-trail-considering-hunting-licenses-for-unmanned-aerial-vehicles-bounties-for-drones

If Holder were in my state, organizing protests and tip lines, (and I was the governor), I would have him, (and any of his agents), arrested and held in jail.

Obama and Holder have a major problem; they think that the constitutional rights that are extended to the individual, also apply to the entire federal government. Free speech, the right to assemble, etc.

It's so damned outrageous, I don't even know if it's addressed in the founding documents. Maybe somebody here knows better than I do.

Quote from: kramarat on July 19, 2013, 04:30:43 AM
If Holder were in my state, organizing protests and tip lines, (and I was the governor), I would have him, (and any of his agents), arrested and held in jail.

Obama and Holder have a major problem; they think that the constitutional rights that are extended to the individual, also apply to the entire federal government. Free speech, the right to assemble, etc.

It's so damned outrageous, I don't even know if it's addressed in the founding documents. Maybe somebody here knows better than I do.

I have to agree this isn't old news but should be right up front, why allow the OBlamer adm. get away with this just because the trial is over. This has nothing to do with the Trial but with the adm. OVERREACHING!
Who wants to take odds that many of the Martin pictures and texts disappear and will never see the light of day?
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/18/justice/doj-zimmerman/index.html