Quote from: taxed on October 21, 2010, 05:05:16 PM
Crepe, you are contributing to the lie and myth that conservatives are anti-gay.  Please don't give that lie and myth any life.  There are conservatives who are that way, but that isn't a conservative platform.  Please get it straight, no pun intended.

I've never seen any liberal call gay people any names.  I don't know what the liberals really think about it, but they seem to be smart enough to want to get the votes to win an election.  Is that honest or is that pandering?  I think it's smart because politics is a pandering-to-an-extent profession, imo.

Even if your pun wasn't intended, it was rather funny.   ;D

Quote from: taxed on October 21, 2010, 02:59:29 PM
Your opinion is very far off from reality.

If someone is a conservative that hates gay people, then they are people who hate gay people that happen to be conservative.  That has nothing to do with the conservative platform itself.

Charles Manson can kill someone and say "Damn, my taxes are too high".

I have to disagree, taxed.   As I have previously said, I'm talking about people who identify themselves as conservatives on various message boards.  Their political beliefs are well known.  It won't influence the platform, but it certainly could influence a voter who is trying to figure out how to vote.

Was Charles Manson rep or dem, liberal or conservative?  You have to identify that for your analogy to be an argument.

Quote from: crepe05 on October 21, 2010, 02:49:36 PM
Using the term "deviant" for one.  That certainly isn't an accepting or even tolerant word.  Also, someone denigrated the Log Cabin Republicans on this board.  Everyone has a right to do that.  We all have freedom of speech, but it's remarks like that I'm talking about.

I was the one using "deviant," and I stated that twenty centuries of Christian doctrine outweigh any effort by the GOP to be accepting of those who practice an abomination, the most serious level of offense. You are 100% correct. I am 100% NOT accepting of this vile choice (which can be addressed through psychiatric or penal treatment.)

The term "deviant" is clinical. It describes those outside society's norm, which clearly is accurate for what most recognized authorities say is between one and three percent of the total U.S. population. The Log Cabin Republicans are deviants first, Republicans second (if at all).

Quote from: quiller on October 22, 2010, 06:25:10 AM
I was the one using "deviant," and I stated that twenty centuries of Christian doctrine outweigh any effort by the GOP to be accepting of those who practice an abomination, the most serious level of offense. You are 100% correct. I am 100% NOT accepting of this vile choice (which can be addressed through psychiatric or penal treatment.)

The term "deviant" is clinical. It describes those outside society's norm, which clearly is accurate for what most recognized authorities say is between one and three percent of the total U.S. population. The Log Cabin Republicans are deviants first, Republicans second (if at all).

Okey dokey.  I guess they can be addressed psychiatrically just as I can change my gender sexual partner if I'm treated psyciatrically. 

BTW,  is there a law against being homosexual?  That's the only way the penal system would get involved.  Why did you bring in the law on this one?  Are you talking about guys doing it in a public restroom and getting caught, or are you talking about the cops breaking down someone's door to their home due to a suspicion that a homosexual might live there and be having sex at that moment?  I believe there's a law against against anyone having sex in a public place.

You do know that the Jews in Germany were considered to be outside the norm in Nazi Germany in the '30's, don't you? 

Quote from: crepe05 on October 22, 2010, 08:49:20 AM
Okey dokey.  I guess they can be addressed psychiatrically just as I can change my gender sexual partner if I'm treated psyciatrically. 

BTW,  is there a law against being homosexual?  That's the only way the penal system would get involved.  Why did you bring in the law on this one?  Are you talking about guys doing it in a public restroom and getting caught, or are you talking about the cops breaking down someone's door to their home due to a suspicion that a homosexual might live there and be having sex at that moment?  I believe there's a law against against anyone having sex in a public place.

You do know that the Jews in Germany were considered to be outside the norm in Nazi Germany in the '30's, don't you?

Ample evidence was revealed during the Nuremberg Trials and through diligent historical search that numerous high-ranking National Socialist Party members were in fact practicing homosexuals. Socialists and homosexuals and repression of Official Victims are not new in the Hun homeland. Today's Nazis wear brown SKIN, not shirts: at least Der Fuhrer Big Ears.

Now we evidently have a cabal of them pushing to get deviates into the military, forcing it against its will and structure, into a social experiment and not a functioning defense unit.

Homosexuality is a choice. Gender Identity Disorder is treatable. An abomination is always an abomination.

Quote from: quiller on October 22, 2010, 09:06:56 AM
Ample evidence was revealed during the Nuremberg Trials and through diligent historical search that numerous high-ranking National Socialist Party members were in fact practicing homosexuals. Socialists and homosexuals and repression of Official Victims are not new in the Hun homeland. Today's Nazis wear brown SKIN, not shirts: at least Der Fuhrer Big Ears.

Now we evidently have a cabal of them pushing to get deviates into the military, forcing it against its will and structure, into a social experiment and not a functioning defense unit.

Homosexuality is a choice. Gender Identity Disorder is treatable. An abomination is always an abomination.

The military has always been used to promote social experiments.  They integrated their forces as a social experiment.  They gave women leadership jobs before private business did.  They integrated their base housing prior to civilian integration.  They've always been leaders in social experimentation.

I've always wondered why some people think that homosexuality is a choice.  Do you really think that anyone would choose that lifestyle that will bring him/her so much emotional pain and some ostracization?

Again, I'll say that homosexuals have always been in the military.  They just didn't identify themselves as such.  Homosexuals have served openly in armies of other nations without any detriment to the military.  Homosexuality and ability to serve in the military aren't mutually exclusinve. :-*

Quote from: crepe05 on October 22, 2010, 03:52:31 AM
I have to disagree, taxed.   As I have previously said, I'm talking about people who identify themselves as conservatives on various message boards.  Their political beliefs are well known.  It won't influence the platform, but it certainly could influence a voter who is trying to figure out how to vote.

I am not sure why I can't make my point with you.  They may be on a conservative board, and they may be saying anti-gay stuff, but that doesn't make them a conservative.  Conservatism and hating gays have nothing to do with each other.

If you would like an example, somehow poll the blacks and latinos who support Obama.  Ask them how they feel about gays, overall.  Culturally, they don't like gays.  That is a cultural thing, and not a conservative vs. liberal thing.

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Was Charles Manson rep or dem, liberal or conservative?  You have to identify that for your analogy to be an argument.

If you seriously didn't deduce my point from this, then never mind.

Quote from: taxed on October 22, 2010, 10:47:55 AM
Conservatism and hating gays have nothing to do with each other.

If you would like an example, somehow poll the blacks and latinos who support Obama.  Ask them how they feel about gays, overall.  Culturally, they don't like gays.  That is a cultural thing, and not a conservative vs. liberal thing.

Cultural, or experience. I know many sexual abuse victims who are male, and what THEY would do to the queers far surpasses anything thought up by the Huns at Dachau.

Having a mental illness should not stigmatize the afflicted. Treatment is available, to help them see the wisdom of not following abhorrent, life-threatening, soul-destroying practices.

Quote from: quiller on October 22, 2010, 11:56:26 AM
Cultural, or experience. I know many sexual abuse victims who are male, and what THEY would do to the queers far surpasses anything thought up by the Huns at Dachau.

They haven't met Bama Beau yet...

I'm evidently behind on requisite gossip here. Are you saying Our Boy likes boys?

Quote from: quiller on October 22, 2010, 11:56:26 AM
Cultural, or experience. I know many sexual abuse victims who are male, and what THEY would do to the queers far surpasses anything thought up by the Huns at Dachau.

Having a mental illness should not stigmatize the afflicted. Treatment is available, to help them see the wisdom of not following abhorrent, life-threatening, soul-destroying practices.

You left out genetic in your "culteral, or experience............" statement.  Was that intentional

And what's the mental illness that heterosexual males who sexually abuse females have?  We all have heard about some of the things those women have done to the males who sexually abuse them. 

Do you really thing that "wisdom" is going to change the behavior of any sexual abuser, hetero or homo?  I think we've beaten this horse to death, and neither of us (or should I say none of us) are going to change our opinions on this.  You're frustrated with me, and I've become frustrated with you, although that's not to say that I didn't enjoy it.   :)

Quote from: crepe05 on October 22, 2010, 02:26:06 PM
I think we've beaten this horse to death, and neither of us (or should I say none of us) are going to change our opinions on this.  You're frustrated with me, and I've become frustrated with you, although that's not to say that I didn't enjoy it.   :)

Why should I be frustrated in being consistent? You're 100% right --- I won't change my mind.

Quote from: quiller on October 22, 2010, 05:18:25 PM
Why should I be frustrated in being consistent? You're 100% right --- I won't change my mind.

For the same reason that I'm frustrated since I'm 100% right.  I'm frustrated that you can't/won't see the error of your thoughts.

Anyway, it's been fun while it lasted.   ;D

Quote from: crepe05 on October 23, 2010, 06:10:37 AM
For the same reason that I'm frustrated since I'm 100% right.  I'm frustrated that you can't/won't see the error of your thoughts.

Anyway, it's been fun while it lasted.   ;D

There is no error. This species would not survive if it were homosexual. For 2,000 years, fully one-third of this planet has become aware that it is an abomination to lie with another man (or same sex partner, to include the women).

Homosexuality is a choice. It is surrender to twisted impulses which can be tamed through effective, sympathetic psychiatric treatment. Gender Identity Disorder can be cured.

How did the original topic (O'Donnell) get transformed into a debate about homos?  Is O'Donnell a lesbian or something?   :o