Quote from: Solar on October 21, 2010, 06:32:15 AM
Uhh...Ummm...OK, ...yeah, the party really needs more Schwarzenegger's running things, just look how well Ca. is doing under him. ::)

I'm teasing her a bit because I too believe that the RINOs are the problem. The spend-like-Democrats should BECOME Democrats (just as fiscal conservatives belong in the GOP, which sorely needs them).

However --- it is a sad commentary on American politics that the GOP has to accept people it cannot stand, and then hope to attract AGAIN if they betray those same converts by drifting back to the right after elections.

Quote from: quiller on October 21, 2010, 06:40:55 AM
I'm teasing her a bit because I too believe that the RINOs are the problem. The spend-like-Democrats should BECOME Democrats (just as fiscal conservatives belong in the GOP, which sorely needs them).

However --- it is a sad commentary on American politics that the GOP has to accept people it cannot stand, and then hope to attract AGAIN if they betray those same converts by drifting back to the right after elections.

That's just it, this is why the Tea party movement is so strong, it's because of the big tent principal.
Teaparty is oil, RINO are water, the two simply will never mix.

Quote from: Solar on October 21, 2010, 06:07:33 AM
Are you saying you're a RINO?

I'm saying that I've been deemed a RINO on this board.  Therefore, I guess I am one.  Actually, it's not anything I've given much thought to.  I've always thought of myself as a Republican with a brain of her own.  What do you think, and does it really make any difference unless I'm driven from the party by people who call themselves conservatives?  My goodness, what's important right now is to get people to vote Republican.

Quote from: quiller on October 21, 2010, 06:13:50 AM
Crepe has said more than once that the GOP cannot win without the Big Umbrella approach including Socialist Lite into their political mix.

...Well, close to that.  ;)

Nope, I never mentioned "Socialist Lite" at all.  I do think that the Republican Party needs to attract people other than Conservatives to vote for their candidates.  Do you have disagreement with that? 

Quote from: crepe05 on October 21, 2010, 06:47:16 AM
I'm saying that I've been deemed a RINO on this board.

No You Have Not Been!

QuoteTherefore, I guess I am one.  Actually, it's not anything I've given much thought to.  I've always thought of myself as a Republican with a brain of her own.  What do you think, and does it really make any difference unless I'm driven from the party by people who call themselves conservatives?  My goodness, what's important right now is to get people to vote Republican.

The problem is, you do not understand the meaning of RINO.
Take the term Christian, if the person goes against all the tenets of Christianity, is he still a Christian?
No, of course not, he is in name only. Well that's what RINO are, they claim to be Pubs, but never do the Conservative thing, they do exactly what a Dim does, they just call themselves a Pub.

Quote from: crepe05 on October 21, 2010, 06:50:53 AM
Nope, I never mentioned "Socialist Lite" at all.  I do think that the Republican Party needs to attract people other than Conservatives to vote for their candidates.  Do you have disagreement with that?

See the part about "Socialist Lite." (And yes, you did not use that phrase.)

The Republican Party needs to REJECT the free-spenders. Get right with principles and voters will follow.

Quote from: Solar on October 21, 2010, 06:54:56 AM
No You Have Not Been!
The problem is, you do not understand the meaning of RINO.
Take the term Christian, if the person goes against all the tenets of Christianity, is he still a Christian?
No, of course not, he is in name only. Well that's what RINO are, they claim to be Pubs, but never do the Conservative thing, they do exactly what a Dim does, they just call themselves a Pub.

I'll have to disagree with you that I haven't been called a RINO.

You say a RINO never does the conservative thing.  That's not my understanding of it at all.  To me it's been explained that it's someone who doesn't toe the conservative line.  It's the moderate Republican who is a called a RINO. 

Quote from: quiller on October 21, 2010, 06:56:30 AM
See the part about "Socialist Lite." (And yes, you did not use that phrase.)

The Republican Party needs to REJECT the free-spenders. Get right with principles and voters will follow.

You didn't answer my question.  Here it is again.  " I do think that the Republican Party needs to attract people other than Conservatives to vote for their candidates.  Do you have disagreement with that? "

And now I'm off to do the volunteer stint at a nursing home.

Quote from: crepe05 on October 21, 2010, 07:11:24 AM
You didn't answer my question.  Here it is again.  " I do think that the Republican Party needs to attract people other than Conservatives to vote for their candidates.  Do you have disagreement with that? "

If the GOP attracts other than conservatives, then it attracts RINOs. I do disagree with "Big Tent" thinking. Voters need distinctions, not confusion.

Quote from: crepe05 on October 21, 2010, 07:08:45 AM
I'll have to disagree with you that I haven't been called a RINO.

Why did they call you a RINO, is more important, it's because you called yourself one first.

You say a RINO never does the conservative thing.  That's not my understanding of it at all.  To me it's been explained that it's someone who doesn't toe the conservative line.  It's the moderate Republican who is a called a RINO.

It's both, but what is a moderate if they always take the liberal stance?

Let me ask you this. Do you think it's right to spend more tax dollars than we take in?
A RINO does.
There are two types of Conservative, a fiscal one, and a social one, right now the Tea party is a group fiscal Conservatives.
A true Pub is a fiscal Conservative first, he can be a social Conservative, but that doesn't make him a true Pub if they aren't fiscal Conservatives as well, then they are nothing but RINO.

Quote from: quiller on October 21, 2010, 06:40:55 AM

However --- it is a sad commentary on American politics that the GOP has to accept people it cannot stand, and then hope to attract AGAIN if they betray those same converts by drifting back to the right after elections.

Sorry, Quill, but I have to put a snicker here. It hasn't been that many moons since the liberal PUBS, I'm sure, were saying the same thing, and there were a crap pot more of the LIB variety than the Conservative variety. Rockefella, Scranton, Romney, Nixon, et al, come to mind. Ike spoke from both sides of his mouth but governed like a liberal.

Quote from: quiller on October 21, 2010, 07:15:22 AM
If the GOP attracts other than conservatives, then it attracts RINOs. I do disagree with "Big Tent" thinking. Voters need distinctions, not confusion.

W hat do you do with moderates who lean more to the Rep Party than they do to the Dem Party?  That's where I put myself, mostly because of the intolerance for homosexuals.  If you don't consider moderate Republicans RINO, what do you call them?

Quote from: Solar on October 21, 2010, 07:19:07 AM
Why did they call you a RINO, is more important, it's because you called yourself one first.

You say a RINO never does the conservative thing.  That's not my understanding of it at all.  To me it's been explained that it's someone who doesn't toe the conservative line.  It's the moderate Republican who is a called a RINO.

It's both, but what is a moderate if they always take the liberal stance?

Let me ask you this. Do you think it's right to spend more tax dollars than we take in?
A RINO does.
There are two types of Conservative, a fiscal one, and a social one, right now the Tea party is a group fiscal Conservatives.
A true Pub is a fiscal Conservative first, he can be a social Conservative, but that doesn't make him a true Pub if they aren't fiscal Conservatives as well, then they are nothing but RINO.

A moderate who takes the liberal stance is a Democrat, of course.  No, it's not right to spend more tax dollars than we take in.  I consider myself to be a fiscal conservative.  I'm not totally a social conservative.  I disagree with conservatives regarding the stance of some of them  regarding homosexuality.  That's one place that I part with conservatives, off the top of my head.

Quote from: crepe05 on October 21, 2010, 09:59:16 AM
W hat do you do with moderates who lean more to the Rep Party than they do to the Dem Party?  That's where I put myself, mostly because of the intolerance for homosexuals.  If you don't consider moderate Republicans RINO, what do you call them?

I consider "moderates" to be RINOs. Paraphrasing Reagan, that party left me.

I would invite right-leaning "moderates" to get right about social issues---including their enabling the deviates. GOP tolerance for Log Cabin Republicans is absolutely incompatible with conservative values. (A little bit pregnant, a little bit deviate --- what's the difference?)

Homosexuality is an abomination, and it will always be wrong. Twenty centuries of Christian doctrine out-rule the GOP trying to muster the switch-hitter vote. The same for infanticide. Murdering innocent unborn children is always wrong --- and moderates keep quiet when the death-toll reaches 50 million unborn Americans, and keeps climbing.

At present there is no distinction between parties. The Pledge to America may as well promise a unicorn in every child's nursery-room, if that sorry party continues to refuse to take real stands, and instead hews to the center, expecting later to betray its own converts.

Quote from: quiller on October 21, 2010, 10:33:33 AM
I consider "moderates" to be RINOs. Paraphrasing Reagan, that party left me.

I would invite right-leaning "moderates" to get right about social issues---including their enabling the deviates. GOP tolerance for Log Cabin Republicans is absolutely incompatible with conservative values. (A little bit pregnant, a little bit deviate --- what's the difference?)

Homosexuality is an abomination, and it will always be wrong. Twenty centuries of Christian doctrine out-rule the GOP trying to muster the switch-hitter vote. The same for infanticide. Murdering innocent unborn children is always wrong --- and moderates keep quiet when the death-toll reaches 50 million unborn Americans, and keeps climbing.

At present there is no distinction between parties. The Pledge to America may as well promise a unicorn in every child's nursery-room, if that sorry party continues to refuse to take real stands, and instead hews to the center, expecting later to betray its own converts.

I'm pro-life, so you can put that to rest.  I just have more tolerance for homosexuality and Log Cabin Reps than you do.  I do believe that homsexuality or heterosexuality are not choices.  I believe that homosexuals have a different genetic code than we do.  For what reason, I don't know.  I have enough trouble leading my life the way I believe my God wants me to. I also believe that God made us all, so there's areason for everything, and I can't fathom all the reasons for anything.   Dang, I wish I could see what I'm typing.  It's making me nuts.