The OWS, is a joke, if they were actually for what they SAY they are for, they would align themselves with the green party, which has been saying the same thing as the OWS crowd, they've just been doing it a lot longer. 

Most of the protesters don't actually want relevance, if OWS would suddenly get what they want, all those professional protesters would have to go back to chaining themselves to trees, or getting pecked by condors.  Sitting in front of a business, that has working facilitates must be cushy by comparison. buying coffee from Starbucks, wearing Gap clothes, talking on your Verizon Wireless phone, updating your suffering status to face book, makes your cause against "the 1%" seem disingenuous at best.

Quote from: Solar on August 21, 2012, 01:58:20 PM
Your need to justify a communist movement says more about you than anything you've ever posted.

Your need to rail against a group that has a obvious commonality to the tea party says more about you then anything you've posted as well. Well, actually,  that and your need to defend corporations in government corporation corruption/ collusion.

Quote from: Solar on August 21, 2012, 01:58:20 PM
OWS wants Govt to kill Capitalism to get money out.

The OWS doesn't want to "kill capitalism", some within the ranks do... It's like saying we're total opposite because the tea party is racist people that want to take away the rights of black people.

Just because some within the ranks, on both sides, are wrong, doesn't mean we should look past a commonality that could join a powerful group for a much needed fight. The fight against corruption.

Quote from: JustKari on August 21, 2012, 02:43:22 PM
The OWS, is a joke, if they were actually for what they SAY they are for, they would align themselves with the green party, which has been saying the same thing as the OWS crowd, they've just been doing it a lot longer.

I disagree that they're a joke. Any group that can upset corporations and the corporate owned this much is far from a "joke".

Quote from: JustKari on August 21, 2012, 02:43:22 PM
makes your cause against "the 1%" seem disingenuous at best.

Our cause against the 1%, those that make the 'playing field uneven'. We have common ground.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 21, 2012, 02:49:29 PM

I disagree that they're a joke. Any group that can upset corporations and the corporate owned this much is far from a "joke".


Our cause against the 1%, those that make the 'playing field uneven'. We have common ground.

Okay, how are they effecting huge corporations?  I googled, and could find no instance where the business hurt was not a small one. 

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 21, 2012, 02:46:25 PM

Your need to rail against a group that has a obvious commonality to the tea party says more about you then anything you've posted as well. Well, actually,  that and your need to defend corporations in government corporation corruption/ collusion.

You are the only one making the distinction, no one else is that ignorant of the ideologies.

QuoteThe OWS doesn't want to "kill capitalism", some within the ranks do... It's like saying we're total opposite because the tea party is racist people that want to take away the rights of black people.

That's like claiming some people in the New Black Panthers are seeking racial harmony.

That connection is ludicrous, I gave you solid proof the movement wants to kill Capitalism, or did you just ignore the quote?
Now you want to claim the Tea party is racist? Give me proof, or look the fool you are!

Quote
Just because some within the ranks, on both sides, are wrong, doesn't mean we should look past a commonality that could join a powerful group for a much needed fight. The fight against corruption.

Some in both ranks? Show me some in the Tea party that wants Govt to hurt Capitalists.

Wake up son, you are trying to defend communists, people that are using the youth as tools to destroy our way of life.
If you understood history, you wouldn't be defending the movement.

Quote from: JustKari on August 21, 2012, 03:04:51 PM
Okay, how are they effecting huge corporations?  I googled, and could find no instance where the business hurt was not a small one.

By getting information out there about the "uneven playing field". Even tea party folk are saying the same thing about the political playing field. It's that message that gets under the skin of the corporate owned government.  It's that reality that the people need to know so that we the people have a even playing field.

Quote from: Solar on August 21, 2012, 03:13:08 PM

Now you want to claim the Tea party is racist? Give me proof, or look the fool you are!
Some in both ranks? Show me some in the Tea party that wants Govt to hurt Capitalists.

Are you really trying to claim that there are no racist people among the tea party? Come on Solar, I know your not that bias. Well, I dont think you're that bias, anyway.

Quote from: Solar on August 21, 2012, 03:13:08 PM
Wake up son, you are trying to defend communists, people that are using the youth as tools to destroy our way of life.
If you understood history, you wouldn't be defending the movement.

You need to do some more reading. Your far right fringe mentality is keeping you from seeing reality.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/occupy-wall-street-isnt-a_b_1034418.html

"The Wall Street Journal conducted a poll recently that asked OWS supporters, "What frustrates you the most about the political process in the United States?" Only three percent said "the democratic/capitalist system." Three percent. The poll also asked supporters what they hope the movement will achieve and only four percent wanted the "dissolution" of the capitalist system."

"According to Gallup, 68 percent of Americans want corporations to have less influence in America."

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 21, 2012, 03:36:49 PM


By getting information out there about the "uneven playing field". Even tea party folk are saying the same thing about the political playing field. It's that message that gets under the skin of the corporate owned government.  It's that reality that the people need to know so that we the people have a even playing field.

No were not!!!
Our main goal is to reduce the size and scope of Govt. Period!
Quit trying to piggyback on a legitimate movement, the two groups are at opposite ends of the spectrum and have nothing in common whatsoever!

Quote from: Solar on August 21, 2012, 04:01:28 PM
No were not!!!
Our main goal is to reduce the size and scope of Govt. Period!
Quit trying to piggyback on a legitimate movement, the two groups are at opposite ends of the spectrum and have nothing in common whatsoever!

They are both legitimate movements. And yes, You are saying the same things, You even said that the playing field is

Quote from: Solar on August 21, 2012, 06:01:29 AM
uneven.

Now why is the playing field uneven? Well, your reps are bought by big money.. And that's exactly what the majority of the OWS is against. 

Now, maybe the tea party wants government smaller, fine, that's still no reason not to combine forces to take on the corruption at hand. We can argue over size later, cause now, we're all being screwed. We are equally screwed at the moment.


"The Wall Street Journal conducted a poll recently that asked OWS supporters, "What frustrates you the most about the political process in the United States?" Only three percent said "the democratic/capitalist system." Three percent. The poll also asked supporters what they hope the movement will achieve and only four percent wanted the "dissolution" of the capitalist system."

"According to Gallup, 68 percent of Americans want corporations to have less influence in America."

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 21, 2012, 04:10:57 PM

They are both legitimate movements. And yes, You are saying the same things, You even said that the playing field is

Now why is the playing field uneven? Well, your reps are bought by big money.. And that's exactly what the majority of the OWS is against. 

Now, maybe the tea party wants government smaller, fine, that's still no reason not to combine forces to take on the corruption at hand. We can argue over size later, cause now, we're all being screwed. We are equally screwed at the moment.


"The Wall Street Journal conducted a poll recently that asked OWS supporters, "What frustrates you the most about the political process in the United States?" Only three percent said "the democratic/capitalist system." Three percent. The poll also asked supporters what they hope the movement will achieve and only four percent wanted the "dissolution" of the capitalist system."

"According to Gallup, 68 percent of Americans want corporations to have less influence in America."

Most of the people in the actual OWS camps, are looking for a place to party, screw, and pretend that they are part of something important.
Any revolution will do, as long as they feel like they belong to something.

It is government that is empowering corporations to screw people out of money...........................and it's the government that needs to reigned in. If we had an honest government, the corporations could not get away with the things they do.

WE DO NOT HAVE AN HONEST GOVERNMENT IN PLACE.

The corporate pilfering is peanuts compared to the money that the government steals. Obama wants to go after the honest citizens, and bring more money into government. He is not interested in stopping the corporate thieves.

Do a google search on corporate types in Obama's administration..........................Monsanto and GE in particular.

The idiots in OWS are stupid enough to think that Obama is on their side........................he's not. He never talks about going after corporate America, he talks about going after rich people. The bad guys that make over $200K a year.

Fish,

I know democrats that are voting a straight republican ticket in Nov. It takes more than that; it takes honest constitutional conservatives to take all three branches of government. People that put the country way ahead of their political ambitions........................they aren't easy to find, in either party.

Once those people are in place......................they will bust the corporate crooks, simplify the tax code, and run the country as it was intended. Of the people, for the people. And it doesn't mean welfare and food stamps.

It's our only chance.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 21, 2012, 04:10:57 PM

They are both legitimate movements. And yes, You are saying the same things, You even said that the playing field is

Now why is the playing field uneven? Well, your reps are bought by big money.. And that's exactly what the majority of the OWS is against. 

Now, maybe the tea party wants government smaller, fine, that's still no reason not to combine forces to take on the corruption at hand. We can argue over size later, cause now, we're all being screwed. We are equally screwed at the moment.


"The Wall Street Journal conducted a poll recently that asked OWS supporters, "What frustrates you the most about the political process in the United States?" Only three percent said "the democratic/capitalist system." Three percent. The poll also asked supporters what they hope the movement will achieve and only four percent wanted the "dissolution" of the capitalist system."

"According to Gallup, 68 percent of Americans want corporations to have less influence in America."

Nice try at twisting my words, but you failed big time.
Business is not the problem, Govt writing laws forcing an uneven playing field.
Quit playing games, you are nothing but a tool of the left when you try and legitimize a communist movement.
There is Absolutely nothing legitimate about trying to bring down the country.

Here is what I said, and what you tried too use in your argument, where you fell flat on your ass!

Quote from: Solar on August 21, 2012, 06:01:29 AM


They are polar opposites, OWS wants to use the heavy hand of Govt to make change, while the Tea party wants to gut the power of Govt.
The Tea party is not interested in the money influence as much as they are a govt that writes laws making the playing field uneven.
We know that taking power from Govt, is the best way to corral corruption, a complete opposite way of thinking when compared to OWS.
OWS wants to use the Govt as a tool to punish business, we want to free business from the corrupt and overbearing hand of Govt.

These two groups have absolutely nothing in common, they are diametrically opposed, one is full of tools for the commies, while the other is adults that want more freedom from Govt.

Quote from: kramarat on August 21, 2012, 04:50:32 PM
The idiots in OWS are stupid enough to think that Obama is on their side........................he's not. He never talks about going after corporate America, he talks about going after rich people. The bad guys that make over $200K a year.

I disagree. The OWS people actually seem quite informed on politics, and the money that buys it.

Quote from: kramarat on August 21, 2012, 05:09:23 PM
People that put the country way ahead of their political ambitions

And the financial ones. Thats one reason why I don't believe voting conservative will work. They seem to be pro corporations, corporate pay day. Thats not what we need.

I do agree though, we all need to try and to get on the same page, somewhere.

Quote from: hfishjr81 on August 21, 2012, 05:26:17 PM

I disagree. The OWS people actually seem quite informed on politics, and the money that buys it.




And the financial ones. Thats one reason why I don't believe voting conservative will work. They seem to be pro corporations, corporate pay day. Thats not what we need.

I do agree though, we all need to try and to get on the same page, somewhere.

That's why the Tea party is kicking out the RINO, they've been on the same page as the left for far too long.
We don't need anyone's help, we'll clean House on our own, those that didn't join in doing the Right thing will be left in the dust, were done bending over to please the left.
The left will be irrelevant after November.

QuoteI do agree though, we all need to try and to get on the same page, somewhere.

We will never be on the same page, because conservatives don't see businessmen in general, and corporations in particular, as some kind of boogie men.