QuoteQuote from: mdgiles on Today at 02:10:52 PM
Hard to believe that before Islam, North Africa used to be the bread basket of the Roman Empire. You see abandoned Roman cities and they are sitting in what is now desert. Islam needs an illiterate, dirt poor, population. And almost everywhere that Islam has been, howling deserts follow.


CubaLibre « on: Today at 04:36:52 PM
No wonder the far left seems to be Islam crazy. They're kindred spirits.

Where ever the left trods we have a moral desert.

They are already here, we should have used Nukes in 2001 after 9/11.

Quote from: lessthantolerant on July 13, 2012, 03:27:50 AM
They are already here, we should have used Nukes in 2001 after 9/11.

Why waste a perfectly good nuke.


Also the final destruction of the Great Library of Alexandria was the work of Islam.  Thousands of years of knowledge destroyed.

If we force them out of the Western world - for example deport them from France back to the Maghreb. And then confine them to there own world. Rebuild the "Iron Curtain", on the borders of Islam, only this time to keep the crazies in. Think of it as an experiment. We can then see which works better - Islam or the West (like we don't know).

Quote from: kramarat on July 11, 2012, 11:13:50 AM
Goodbye tourism, hello poverty and strife.

And just think.................our president helped to usher in the new era.

And that was BEFORE he talked about foreign policy....

Religious radicals are always trying to destroy something as long as its not Theirs.   It's sad, as a whole, how little reverence We hold for those that are different then Us.   

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 13, 2012, 11:22:34 PM
Religious radicals are always trying to destroy something as long as its not Theirs.   It's sad, as a whole, how little reverence We hold for those that are different then Us.

So what Classical monuments are Christians going around blowing up. Last I checked, the Orthodox Greeks were rebuilding the Parthenon. And we have whole segments of Christian society, dedicated to the preservation of ancient ruins and artifacts. Even in it's earliest days Christianity didn't destroy pagan temples, they simply converted them into churches.

Quote from: mdgiles on July 14, 2012, 06:28:03 AM
So what Classical monuments are Christians going around blowing up. Last I checked, the Orthodox Greeks were rebuilding the Parthenon. And we have whole segments of Christian society, dedicated to the preservation of ancient ruins and artifacts. Even in it's earliest days Christianity didn't destroy pagan temples, they simply converted them into churches.

Christians not only converted but burned items as well. Christians have also destroyed people in droves.  Think the crusades. 


Hell some Christians are still burning items to this day. I went to a church that asked it's kids to bring items and burn them in the name of god. Some kids brought CDs, some brought DVD's, some books, it was all very sad.   

Point is, people that believe their way is the only way tend to crucify other ways, and that is bad for everyone.   

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 14, 2012, 09:10:31 AM

Christians not only converted but burned items as well. Christians have also destroyed people in droves.  Think the crusades. 


Hell some Christians are still burning items to this day. I went to a church that asked it's kids to bring items and burn them in the name of god. Some kids brought CDs, some brought DVD's, some books, it was all very sad.   

Point is, people that believe their way is the only way tend to crucify other ways, and that is bad for everyone.   

Islam started attacking Christianity 400 year before the first Crusade, and is still attacking Christianity today. I am really sick of historically ignorant clowns like you who are so stupid that they don't even know that what we now think of as the Muslim Middle East was the historical birthplace of Christianity WHICH WAS CONQUERED BY THE MUSLIMS. The Crusades were an attempt to regain access to ancient Christian holy place you dumb shit. Anyone who brings up the Crusades is simply mouthing Islamic and anti Christian propaganda. Besides Columbus what else happened in 1492? Since you're probably too stupid to know, the Spanish finally defeated the last Islamic kingdom in Spain. Of course the Muslim Ottoman Turks were now invading in Southeast Europe. There's a reason why everybody in the Balkans hates the Muslims there. So which GOVERNMENT were these fanatical Christians running, and how much support did they have. You see the difference between the occasional crazy Christian book burner, is that they're burning their own property, Not someone else's - and not a church with the Christians still inside like the Muslims do.

Go here. Read. Learn: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
 

Quote from: mdgiles on July 14, 2012, 10:04:34 AM
Islam started attacking Christianity 400 year before the first Crusade, and is still attacking Christianity today. I am really sick of historically ignorant clowns like you who are so stupid that they don't even know that what we now think of as the Muslim Middle East was the historical birthplace of Christianity WHICH WAS CONQUERED BY THE MUSLIMS. The Crusades were an attempt to regain access to ancient Christian holy place you dumb shit.

Even if Islam attacked first it still doesn't make it right, or Christian, to kill in return. Did Jesus condone such acts? I'm pretty sure He didn't think a religious relic , or "birthplace", worthy of blood shed. Either way, Giles, please answer Me this. Are We a Christian Nation, in Your opinion? 

Quote from: mdgiles on July 14, 2012, 10:04:34 AM
You see the difference between the occasional crazy Christian book burner, is that they're burning their own property, Not someone else's - and not a church with the Christians still inside like the Muslims do.

And IMO, Muslims are just people with a different faith than Christianity, though they do have their radicals, just like Christians do.

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=us_domestic_terrorism_tmln&haitian_elite_2021_organizations=haitian_elite_2021_army_of_god

There is no hope for a person who sees no worth in ancient monuments and civilizations.  There is no hope for a culture such as Islam which destroys beauty and joy.  As Ayatollah Komeini said, "There is no joy in Islam."   Islam is not even a religion, much less a religion of peace.  It is a repressive, misogynistic, cruel political system which destroys all that is good.  I am so weary of my countrymen who think Islam is "Just another religion," like Catholicism or Methodist.  It isn't.  Tolerating it as a religion is deadly.  The Constitution is not a suicide pact.  In their madrassas and mosques in this country, they preach sedition and revolution, all under the guise of religion.  How many of us know about what happens to little girls when they have their genitals mutilated, often on the ground with a piece of glass?  All in the name of Islam.  And how about the recent incident where a woman was shot six times in the head because she was accused of adultry?  How about a man who has a hand and a foot, on opposite sides as commanded by that book of the devil the Koran?  And the bloody and inhuman practice of animal sacrifice.

The Crusades were long ago, but are often brought up in defense of this unspeakable political philosophy.  They happened centuries ago, time over which we have no power to add or detract.  We need to concern ourselves with what is happening now, to our country and our world.

While I cannot conceive of a person who sees no worth in the pyramids, or Stonehenge, or the Parthenon, I pity them nevertheless.  To look at a painting by Rembrandt, or read a book of poems by Keats, or to read Shakespeare's sonnets.  This is what separates us from the barbarians.  And they are at the gate and nothing is being done to stop them.  Their advance on the West is happening every minute, every hour, every day.  And our leaders are not only members of this unspeakable political philosophy, but are enabling their admitted takeover of the world for their pedophile "Prophet."  A camel driver who married a six-year-old child.  But wait, he didn't consumate the marriage until she was nine.
This is the man they emulate.  Every day in the middle east old men marry little girls.  Some of these children bleed to death or are mutilated for the rest of their lives.  And some would defend these animals.  It disgusts me. They disgust me.

There is no such thing as a "Moderate" Muslim.  If a person reads and believes the devil's book, the Koran, and follows it's dictates, they are by definition destroyers of the world.  And folks, because of our "Malaise" (Thank you Mr. Carter,) they are winning.

Quote from: Charliemyboy on July 15, 2012, 09:00:34 AM
There is no hope for a person who sees no worth in ancient monuments and civilizations.  There is no hope for a culture such as Islam which destroys beauty and joy.  As Ayatollah Komeini said, "There is no joy in Islam."   Islam is not even a religion, much less a religion of peace.  It is a repressive, misogynistic, cruel political system which destroys all that is good.  I am so weary of my countrymen who think Islam is "Just another religion," like Catholicism or Methodist.  It isn't.  Tolerating it as a religion is deadly.  The Constitution is not a suicide pact.  In their madrassas and mosques in this country, they preach sedition and revolution, all under the guise of religion.  How many of us know about what happens to little girls when they have their genitals mutilated, often on the ground with a piece of glass?  All in the name of Islam.  And how about the recent incident where a woman was shot six times in the head because she was accused of adultry?  How about a man who has a hand and a foot, on opposite sides as commanded by that book of the devil the Koran?  And the bloody and inhuman practice of animal sacrifice.

The Crusades were long ago, but are often brought up in defense of this unspeakable political philosophy.  They happened centuries ago, time over which we have no power to add or detract.  We need to concern ourselves with what is happening now, to our country and our world.

While I cannot conceive of a person who sees no worth in the pyramids, or Stonehenge, or the Parthenon, I pity them nevertheless.  To look at a painting by Rembrandt, or read a book of poems by Keats, or to read Shakespeare's sonnets.  This is what separates us from the barbarians.  And they are at the gate and nothing is being done to stop them.  Their advance on the West is happening every minute, every hour, every day.  And our leaders are not only members of this unspeakable political philosophy, but are enabling their admitted takeover of the world for their pedophile "Prophet."  A camel driver who married a six-year-old child.  But wait, he didn't consumate the marriage until she was nine.
This is the man they emulate.  Every day in the middle east old men marry little girls.  Some of these children bleed to death or are mutilated for the rest of their lives.  And some would defend these animals.  It disgusts me. They disgust me.

There is no such thing as a "Moderate" Muslim.  If a person reads and believes the devil's book, the Koran, and follows it's dictates, they are by definition destroyers of the world.  And folks, because of our "Malaise" (Thank you Mr. Carter,) they are winning.

Well said Charlie.
As proof of what you said, read my thread, it's frightening how the left is capitulating to those that wish to destroy us.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/did-anyone-know-hussein-hosted-the-istanbul-process/

Quote from: hfishjr81 on July 14, 2012, 11:03:42 PM

Even if Islam attacked first it still doesn't make it right, or Christian, to kill in return. Did Jesus condone such acts? I'm pretty sure He didn't think a religious relic , or "birthplace", worthy of blood shed. Either way, Giles, please answer Me this. Are We a Christian Nation, in Your opinion? 

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Orwell And this "Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help out that of the other." Again Orwell. Except in your case, you are pro Islam. As long as you exist in a society that is under attack, refusing to defend that society is suicide. Refusing to defend the "gates of the city", when the barbarians are attacking, should earn you expulsion from that city.

QuoteAnd IMO, Muslims are just people with a different faith than Christianity, though they do have their radicals, just like Christians do.

I keep repeating to clowns like you, that it doesn't matter what YOU believe, it matters what THEY believe. It requires two to make a peace, but only one to make a war. As long as they want to make a war, your pacifism simply makes it easier. And Islam is not just a religion, but a socio-political system that covers almost all facets of a believers life. If you don't understand that, you understand nothing. There is no concept within Islam of "rendering unto Caesar, what is Caesar's".

Quote from: Charliemyboy on July 15, 2012, 09:00:34 AM
The Crusades were long ago, but are often brought up in defense of this unspeakable political philosophy.  They happened centuries ago, time over which we have no power to add or detract.

"Unspeakable political" and religious philosophy. Yes, the crusades were long ago, but that doesn't make it any less horrible.  It was still killing in the name of relics, and birthplaces, in the name of a peoples God. 

Quote from: Charliemyboy on July 15, 2012, 09:00:34 AM
We need to concern ourselves with what is happening now, to our country and our world.

We need to understand that religions have controlled many people past and present, some people see through the bad, and run with the good, some are radical and cling to the bad breaking their own faiths commandments.
It is important for Us to realize bad things have happened in the name of Christian faith, and Muslim faith, so We do not repeat those bad actions in the future.

Quote from: mdgiles on July 15, 2012, 09:18:48 AM
Except in your case, you are pro Islam.

Im pro people not "pro Islam", and You didn't answer My question.



Are We a Christan nation, IYO?