Quote from: tiny1 on November 01, 2019, 06:52:02 AM
What?  You think Rosenstein tells the truth?  Amazing.

Show me evidence otherwise.

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The FOIA provided documents that shows Rosenstein was complicit.

Proof? (or is this accusation based off feelings?)

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  Even Trump says he lied.

No he didn't.

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  From Gregg Jarrett:

On October 8, 2018, Rosenstein was invited aboard Air Force One to discuss the matter with Trump face-to-face. Here is what the president told me about their meeting:

JARRETT: Two witnesses who were in Rosen stein's office in the days after Comey was fired confirmed that he was serious about wearing a wire to secretly record you and recruiting cabinet members to remove you from office. You talked to him about it on Air Force One on the way to Florida. What did he say?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: He said it didn't happen. He said he never said it. What he told other people is that he was joking. But to me, he claimed he never said it.

JARRETT: Did you believe him?

PRESIDENT: I didn't really know what to believe.

JARRETT: Why did you keep him on as deputy attorney general?

PRESIDENT: Because I thought it would be bad to fire people in the middle of an investigation. And it turned out to be the right thing to do.

McCabe is the only source for this narrative, unless you can produce another.  McCabe told 60 minutes that he and Rod had a deep conversation about the 25th Amendment, even as far as who in the cabinet they could get on board.  He then told Psycho Joe Scarborough that he didn't talk with Rod about that and it was all his deal.

The only source to this story is McCabe, who completely changed his story on two cable news shows.

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Nah, I don't need people to tell me what to believe.

Of course not. You have McCabe, who's under criminal investigation, caught lying multiple times, changed 302s, and just turned down a pre-indictment plea deal and breaks out in a flop sweat on camera when the topic of Durham comes up.

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  Rosenstein had two stories.  Told Trump he never said it and told the Press he was Joking.  One of those, is a lie.  Others say it happened.

NOBODY said it happened, except McCabe. I encourage you to prove otherwise.  Rosenstein did what we have all done a million times in our lives.  If I was asked if I ever said I was going to kill my sister, I'd say hell no!  If they rolled out a video and played it where I said "If you spill that Pepsi on my new seats I'm gonna' kill you!"  Yes, I actually said it, but it was sarcastic.  I didn't say it in the context presented.  Rosenstein's version is supported by EVERYONE in the meeting and understood as dismissive to McCabe and sarcastic.  Also, McCabe NEVER brought it up when he testified, and never brought it to the Attorney General.

It never happened, regardless of your feelings.

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  I don't believe I am the one making an emotional response.  I never got an insulting tone, with you. Telling.

I'm sorry for offending you.

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Regardless of your credit given, it is a fact that he recommended firing Comey, right?

Correct.

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What you know about me, wouldn't fill a thimble.

QuoteIn spite of your insults, I don't trust ANY of them.  NONE.  You trust Rosenstein.

I don't trust anyone. I just go off the evidence, and I have seen no evidence of Rosenstein's supposed attempt to bring down the President.  Everything I have seen, and moreso in retrospect, and how Barr and Sessions have been treating him after retirement, and how even Trump gave him love at that dinner, shows he isn't the bad guy.  Rosenstein has been cool as a cucumber post-Mueller.  The other players have been in a panic.

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Evidence shows he was complicit in the Coup attempt.

Your feelings are not evidence. You haven't a shred of evidence he was complicit. I encourage you to provide some, beyond what McCabe tells you.

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Your snide attempts to discredit me for my opinion, means I will no longer entertain your Nonsense.

Translation: I can't support the narrative I bit into over the past year, so I'm going to play the victim card.

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  I have zero inborn need to gain your acceptance nor do I value your opinion enough to even give credence to your words.

I value yours if it were formed on some sort of evidence -- circumstantial or established.

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  Clearly, like those on the left, you try to silence unwanted opinions of those you disagree with.  Have a nice day.

Pretty sure I didn't silence anyone.  I just went two pages with Wally but he and I kept making our case, and neither he nor I cried.  But, here you go:

If Trump trusted Sessions then he would give us a sign instead of disapproval for his running.

I have reasons to not trust Sessions including the fact that he took the job knowing he could not act in the best interest of the man he worked for. No I am not suggesting that he should have lied or cover up for him. I fully support Barr and I can't believe that he would lie or create any coverup for Trump.

Some of you obviously have reasons to trust him and even think highly of him. I do not understand why.He was only AG of AL for 2 years and spent half of it running for Senator.

Quote from: carolina73 on November 01, 2019, 01:17:09 PM
If Trump trusted Sessions then he would give us a sign instead of disapproval for his running.

A lot of stuff will be different by 2020.

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I have reasons to not trust Sessions including the fact that he took the job knowing he could not act in the best interest of the man he worked for. No I am not suggesting that he should have lied or cover up for him. I fully support Barr and I can't believe that he would lie or create any coverup for Trump.

I trust Sessions because of the incredible job he did as Attorney General.

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Some of you obviously have reasons to trust him and even think highly of him. I do not understand why.He was only AG of AL for 2 years and spent half of it running for Senator.

He did the dirty work and took a PR hit to set the stage for Barr.

Quote from: taxed on November 01, 2019, 01:27:18 PM
A lot of stuff will be different by 2020.
I trust Sessions because of the incredible job he did as Attorney General.
He did the dirty work and took a PR hit to set the stage for Barr.

Jeff Sessions deserves a lot of credit.  He could talk the talk and walk the walk  His problem is that he couldn't walk and chew gum.  More than our President needed him to do what William Barr is now doing, our nation needed an Attorney General to do this job that Jeff Sessions felt he was incapable of doing.  In a way, Jeff Sessions is sort of like a Hero in a Greek Tragedy.  Donald Trump, on the other hand, is more like one of the God's of Olympus  I don't yet know if I would compare Trump to Zeus; then again, I'm merely a mortal man.

Quote from: wally on November 01, 2019, 01:35:30 PM
Jeff Sessions deserves a lot of credit.  He could talk the talk and walk the walk  His problem is that he couldn't walk and chew gum.  More than our President needed him to do what William Barr is now doing, our nation needed an Attorney General to do this job that Jeff Sessions felt he was incapable of doing.  In a way, Jeff Sessions is sort of like a Hero in a Greek Tragedy.  Donald Trump, on the other hand, is more like one of the God's of Olympus  I don't yet know if I would compare Trump to Zeus; then again, I'm merely a mortal man.

I just look at everything he did while AG and I can't buy into the narrative that he's ineffective or slow.  Being Attorney General isn't just the job of managing Spygate... Rod handled all that. Sessions started going after the leaks from day one.  I still don't understand why that's just overlooked and underappreciated.  Meanwhile, Trump was remaking the federal judiciary.  Those are two critical components that had to be in place.

Ha, I found this I wrote from last year...  it's crazy how time is flying by...

https://conservativehardliner.com/jeff-sessions-president-trumps-silent-executioner

Quote from: taxed on November 01, 2019, 01:49:47 PM
Ha, I found this I wrote from last year...  it's crazy how time is flying by...

https://conservativehardliner.com/jeff-sessions-president-trumps-silent-executioner

Taxed, you seem to defend Jeff Sessions to the point that in your eyes he can do no wrong.  He accomplished a whole lot.  Now, William Barr can do the job that needed to be done three years ago.  This cancer has been allowed to grow to the point that it now threatens not only the President, but the future of our Republic.  Sessions wasn't alone in his failure to recognize this is far more than 'politics as usual' andthank God we now have an Attorney General who will use our nation's DOJ and FBI to get to the origins of the coup many of us now call Spygate.  If this coup isn't brought to justice, all Jeff Sessions did was to do a fantastic job of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Quote from: wally on November 01, 2019, 02:03:04 PM
Taxed, you seem to defend Jeff Sessions to the point that in your eyes he can do no wrong.  He accomplished a whole lot.  Now, William Barr can do the job that needed to be done three years ago.  This cancer has been allowed to grow to the point that it now threatens not only the President, but the future of our Republic.  Sessions wasn't alone in his failure to recognize this is far more than 'politics as usual' andthank God we now have an Attorney General who will use our nation's DOJ and FBI to get to the origins of the coup many of us now call Spygate.  If this coup isn't brought to justice, all Jeff Sessions did was to do a fantastic job of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Agree. If we had William Barr instead of Sessions to begin with then we would have no impeachment and would have properly exposed these scams from the left.

Imagine the horror show if Mueller had been given the AG job.

Quote from: wally on November 01, 2019, 02:03:04 PM
Taxed, you seem to defend Jeff Sessions to the point that in your eyes he can do no wrong.  He accomplished a whole lot.  Now, William Barr can do the job that needed to be done three years ago.  This cancer has been allowed to grow to the point that it now threatens not only the President, but the future of our Republic.  Sessions wasn't alone in his failure to recognize this is far more than 'politics as usual' andthank God we now have an Attorney General who will use our nation's DOJ and FBI to get to the origins of the coup many of us now call Spygate.  If this coup isn't brought to justice, all Jeff Sessions did was to do a fantastic job of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

It's more that I can appreciate the shitstorm he walked into.  Imagine the line out the door of people wanting to dish about Lynch, Comey, Holder, etc etc.  You can't operate an organization with leaks.  You can't catch the bad guys in the act if the DOJ is giving them a phone call telling them when to not be there.  The Clintons had control of the DOJ and Arkansas for decades.  How many times have the evaded justice and covered up crimes because they had the advantage of leaks?  That advantage had to be taken away.

I don't understand why those who think Sessions didn't do enough can't appreciate the full time job it must have been to hunt down leaks.  Check out an org chart of the DOJ sometime.  That was no walk in the park, and you have real-life spy games going on to hunt down the bad guys and double agents.  Plus, you walk in behind the eight ball into a counterintelligence investigation against you and the President.  Meanwhile, the intelligence agencies, GLOBALLY, are manufacturing a crime to take you down.

Forget about any other good stuff Sessions did that you may give him credit for (sanctuary cities, etc); if the ONLY thing he did was clean out the leakers from our Justice Department then he's one of the greatest AGs ever.  Again, Barr could not be doing what he's doing if information and grand jury info was leaking.  If you say Barr could have done that from the beginning, that's not true either.  That's a 2-3 year job.  It's too much for any human to handle long term, hence the historically high turnover.  Barr will probably be gone in 2021 and we'll have a third to take us to 2024, but thanks to Sessions doing the intial groundwork, and Barr getting the indictments to court, the third guy will have his role.

All the arguing seems silly to me. Doug Jones or Sessions?

Look, taxed.  I am not here to entertain you or your emotional responses.  He told Trump he never said it, then released a statement that he was joking, yet some of those some present dispute that.   Either way, what do you suppose?  Did he say it or not, or did he say he was joking when he said it.  One of those statements is a lie. 
I refuse to try to convince you of anything.  I have many more important things to be doing than to do research to provide you proof of anything.  If you want to be informed, fine, if not, I really do not care.  Rosenstein has been shown to be part of the Deep State.  EVERYONE at the top of the FBI and CIA are, otherwise, they wouldn't be there.  Obozo saw to that.
I am no victim.  I don't need to be.  I am confident in what I know, and if you don't believe it, cool.  All you have done is insult and snidely deny what is shown to you.  No, if there were evidence that Rosenstein plotted against Trump, he'd be gone.  But Trump himself said he did not know what to believe and gave the reason for not firing him, as being Trump's concern about firing him in the middle of the investigation.  Sure, he's been almost invisible since, not wanting to rock the proverbial vote.  And, given the inconsistencies in his statements, you cannot prove he ISN"T against Trump, either. 
If you must, continue attacking Conservatives for having a different opinion.  It is Telling.

I agree.  Arguing is silly.  I fully support Jeff Sessions returning to his former job as a great, Conservative, US Senator.  He will do a far better job as a member of the majority party in the Senate.  Congress has a whole lot of heavy lifting to do in President Trump's next term.

Quote from: tiny1 on November 02, 2019, 06:45:17 AM
Look, taxed.  I am not here to entertain you or your emotional responses.  He told Trump he never said it, then released a statement that he was joking, yet some of those some present dispute that.

Everyone disputes or doesn't support McCabe's version.  Rosenstein's version is supported, but continue spreading the false narrative that meeting participants said he said it seriously.

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   Either way, what do you suppose?  Did he say it or not, or did he say he was joking when he said it.  One of those statements is a lie.

To use my previous example, I never said I was going to kill my sister.  OK, I did say it, but it was in jest if she spills soda in my car.  He said it sarcastically to disparage McCabe, which others support.  The fact is you haven't spent the time on that aspect of the story and are just parroting McCabe's version.

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I refuse to try to convince you of anything.

Even if you tried, you'd need some data. I'm open to being convinced, but just parroting McCabe's version won't cut it.

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  I have many more important things to be doing than to do research to provide you proof of anything.

Yet you don't have more important things to do than parrot McCabe's story which he can't even get straight.

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  If you want to be informed, fine, if not, I really do not care.

You have proven you don't want to be informed. That's fine.

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  Rosenstein has been shown to be part of the Deep State.

Where? How?

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  EVERYONE at the top of the FBI and CIA are, otherwise, they wouldn't be there.  Obozo saw to that.
I am no victim.  I don't need to be.  I am confident in what I know, and if you don't believe it, cool.  All you have done is insult and snidely deny what is shown to you.  No, if there were evidence that Rosenstein plotted against Trump, he'd be gone.  But Trump himself said he did not know what to believe and gave the reason for not firing him, as being Trump's concern about firing him in the middle of the investigation.  Sure, he's been almost invisible since, not wanting to rock the proverbial vote.  And, given the inconsistencies in his statements, you cannot prove he ISN"T against Trump, either.

He hasn't been inconsistent.

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If you must, continue attacking Conservatives for having a different opinion.  It is Telling.

Opinions are fine, lies are not. If you parrot some leftist lies (McCabe, and his version, are supported by leftists trying to impeach Trump, FYI).  I will challenge a lie.

Quote from: wally on November 02, 2019, 06:45:35 AM
I agree.  Arguing is silly.  I fully support Jeff Sessions returning to his former job as a great, Conservative, US Senator.  He will do a far better job as a member of the majority party in the Senate.  Congress has a whole lot of heavy lifting to do in President Trump's next term.

I'm not sure I support him running... 

QuoteEveryone disputes or doesn't support McCabe's version.  Rosenstein's version is supported, but continue spreading the false narrative that meeting participants said he said it seriously.

Except President Trump:

Wow, so many lies by now disgraced acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe. He was fired for lying, and now his story gets even more deranged. He and Rod Rosenstein, who was hired by Jeff Sessions (another beauty), look like they were planning a very illegal act, and got caught.....

QuoteTo use my previous example, I never said I was going to kill my sister.  OK, I did say it, but it was in jest if she spills soda in my car.  He said it sarcastically to disparage McCabe, which others support.  The fact is you haven't spent the time on that aspect of the story and are just parroting McCabe's version.

That is so much Bullshit.  Trump asked him, and he said he never said it.  THAT is a lie.  Now, you want me to ignore a lie, because
YOU say it was a jest.  C'mon man.  Get Real.  Prove he didn't mean it. 
Even if he didn't, a capable Intelligence man would never be caught dead, in something like this.  He's corrupt, and a crook.  When all this comes out, I hope you like the taste of crow.

QuoteEven if you tried, you'd need some data. I'm open to being convinced, but just parroting McCabe's version won't cut it.

Nope, Genius, you have no more data than I have.  The problem is that you trust the Establishment Elites, the same ones who wanna take down my President.  I parrot no one, Einstein, but at least I don't put my faith in a crummy political operative traitor.

QuoteYet you don't have more important things to do than parrot McCabe's story which he can't even get straight.

No, asshole, I believe my President.  At least I do not believe a known liar.  Talk about a parrot.

QuoteYou have proven you don't want to be informed. That's fine.
Where? How?

Where have you proven that I am not?  Oh son, I am informed it seems, a lot more than an establishment hack.

QuoteHe hasn't been inconsistent.

Whatever, child.

QuoteOpinions are fine, lies are not. If you parrot some leftist lies (McCabe, and his version, are supported by leftists trying to impeach Trump, FYI).  I will challenge a lie.

So, now you are calling me a liar.  Well son, you just lied.  You said you'd challenge a lie, but never challenged Rosenstein's lie that he never said he'd wear a wire.  If he was joking, why did he tell Trump he never said it?
You are a joke.