Quote from: elmerfudd on June 26, 2012, 11:23:32 AM
What would really be interesting is to see some stats on the percentage of pedophiles and kiddie porn afficionados that are heteros vs. the perecentage that are homos.  I am betting there is a greater percentage of heteros in that group.

Almost all sex crimes against children are committed by men. One third of child sex abuse victims are boys. Given that the homosexual population of the US is estimated to be just short of 3%, it would make the absolute number of abusers who are Hetero higher than the absolute number who are Homo, and it would make the hetero percentage of the total higher; but it would make the percentage of homosexual abusers all out of whack with their percentage of the population. Of course this may be due to the tendency to speak of any sexual contact with a minor as pedophilia. In reality pedophilia only refers to contact with prepubescent children. Contact with children between the ages of 11-14 is correctly called Hebephilia (for example, The Catholic Church scandal). Contact between the ages of 15-age of consent is Ephebophilia. That's according to Wiki - if you want to trust them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

Quote from: elmerfudd on June 26, 2012, 11:23:32 AM
What would really be interesting is to see some stats on the percentage of pedophiles and kiddie porn afficionados that are heteros vs. the perecentage that are homos.  I am betting there is a greater percentage of heteros in that group.

They do usually have a preference, which is that is most go for prepubescent boys... but most pedophiles are opportunistic predators... they will often victimize either gender.   Their attraction is generally directed at prepubescence, more than gender.

Quote from: manifest on June 26, 2012, 10:49:38 AM
Granting for a second that your characterization is correct - that the homosexual rights movement was started by pedophiles and communists - even still, that would be the genetic fallacy.

The origin of a belief really has no bearing on whether or not it's true or right.  For example, even if, hypothetically, the civil rights movement of the 60's was started by communists, it  would still be wrong to force blacks to ride on the back of the bus, and attend separate schools.  There would be reasons to support civil rights independent of whatever wrong reasons those hypothetical communists may have operated by.

I've no problem hanging this guy high if the allegations are true.  But that being said, it's a little premature to hang him now, based on what little information we have.  We don't even know what is accurate or not, no matter how tempted many of you may be to form certain conclusions.  Whether he is guilty or not has no bearing on the factual and reasonable case for gay rights, anymore than a few priests guilt has any bearing on the truth of Christianity.

Then why not get out there and rid your movement of commies and pedos?
All I ever see is a tacit response when these stories come out, or parades like Folsom street fair, get organized and denounce them. Can you do that?
Then, and only then will I consider your demands, until then, you will continue to be labeled freaks of nature.

Whether you like it or not, these people are your current representation, change it if you want to be taken into the mainstream.

Quote from: Solar on June 26, 2012, 05:05:03 PM
Then why not get out there and rid your movement of commies and pedos?
All I ever see is a tacit response when these stories come out, or parades like Folsom street fair, get organized and denounce them. Can you do that?

Then, and only then will I consider your demands, until then, you will continue to be labeled freaks of nature.

Whether you like it or not, these people are your current representation, change it if you want to be taken into the mainstream.

They're only our "current representation" because that's all you appear to look at.   A homosexual commits a sex crime or does something inappropriate, its front page news on every right wing media outlet to reinforce your misconceptions - it's called confirmation bias.

Quote from: manifest on June 26, 2012, 10:24:02 AM
I'm just trying to give you the opportunity to avoid the fallacy of hasty generalization that I think you were shooting for.

I mean after all, what are we to say about the priesthood or college football coaches these days?

Anyone that screws with kids, needs a bullet in the temple. Howz that for a generalization?

Quote from: kramarat on June 26, 2012, 05:43:44 PM
Anyone that screws with kids, needs a bullet in the temple. Howz that for a generalization?

You just made a lib cry somewhere....

Quote from: taxed on June 26, 2012, 05:55:42 PM
You just made a lib cry somewhere....

Gee, that's special. All they know how to do, is scream and cry.

Quote from: manifest on June 26, 2012, 05:35:30 PM
They're only our "current representation" because that's all you appear to look at.   A homosexual commits a sex crime or does something inappropriate, its front page news on every right wing media outlet to reinforce your misconceptions - it's called confirmation bias.

No, he is a leader in your so called movement, he is front and center at all the parades, he is Your Representation.
He just happens to like children in the buff, which in your view is irrelevant.

Quote from: kramarat on June 26, 2012, 05:43:44 PM
Anyone that screws with kids, needs a bullet in the temple. Howz that for a generalization?

I agree. But not fired from a gun. Just shove in the bullet manually and pull it out from the other side.

Quote from: Jasmine on June 26, 2012, 06:58:58 PM
I agree. But not fired from a gun. Just shove in the bullet manually and pull it out from the other side.

What happened to my nice sweet gentle Jasmine.        .............

Quote from: Solar on June 26, 2012, 05:59:30 PM
No, he is a leader in your so called movement, he is front and center at all the parades, he is Your Representation.
He just happens to like children in the buff, which in your view is irrelevant.

Children in the buff is bad. Children being either forced or coerced into sex acts is disgusting. I'd settle for lethal injection, but I'd prefer bullet to the temple. No sympathy for these pigs.

And no tax dollars for therapy. Kill them.

Quote from: walkstall on June 26, 2012, 07:03:52 PM



What happened to my nice sweet gentle Jasmine.        .............

Oh. Yeah. I forgot. 

Quote from: Jasmine on June 26, 2012, 07:09:12 PM
Oh. Yeah. I forgot. 

 

innocent until proven guilty...once proven guilty I hope he rots in prison.


Billy

Quote from: manifest on June 26, 2012, 05:35:30 PM
They're only our "current representation" because that's all you appear to look at.   A homosexual commits a sex crime or does something inappropriate, its front page news on every right wing media outlet to reinforce your misconceptions - it's called confirmation bias.

It's front page news because a clear majority of people in both political parties still believe that molestation is wrong, no matter who does it or which gender either the perp or the victim may be.

You don't seem to mind all the therapy that gets deployed for the same victims. So what if they got molested, as long as the perp gets to Free His Inner Self?

Liberals defend the wrongdoers, never the victims. It's who they are as a party, and as shepherds of right versus wrong.