http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-22/russia-calls-for-un-brokered-moves-in-fighting-terror-ifx-says

QuoteU.S. actions in the Middle East helped Islamic State to gain influence, Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said, according to Interfax.
The strengthening of Islamic State "became possible partly due to irresponsible U.S. politics" that focused on fighting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad instead of joining efforts to root out terrorism, Medvedev was cited as saying in Kuala Lumpur on Sunday. President Barack Obama earlier on Sunday said that Russia is facing a strategic choice as Assad can't stay. The Obama administration declined to comment Sunday on Medvedev's statement.

Checkmate! Obama, who is an obvious traitor to the United States, is not so subtly exposed as such by the Russians! Obama, who has successfully rooted out every middle eastern dictator favorable to the USA, and her allies interests, due to the corrupting of the American process by the democratic party, has more then met his match in Vladimir Putin, who has effortlessly mastered America's first, and last affirmative actioned president!

Putin has been saying similar things for awhile now. 

Don't forget Hillary's role in this, started with Libya

Quote from: Dori on November 22, 2015, 04:27:31 PM
Putin has been saying similar things for awhile now.

I saw a video of him the other day.  He is calling America the aggressors.  The video made me think that we are definitely headed toward Armageddon.  He is right Obama and Hillary created ISIS.  Arab Spring and his agenda to get rid of Bashar Al Assad and Gaddafi.  Those fighters are ISIS now.  There is plenty of information that supports the truth that Obama is responsible.  Freedom for information documents.  Reports from people within Syria about what happened there.  I just read a story about a Syrian woman that joined to save her family.  She told how ISIS came out of the fighters trying to get rid of Assad.  The leaders were from Iraq.  The timing of all of Obama's agenda tells the story.  He created hell in the Middle East.

Quote from: Tacoma on November 22, 2015, 04:12:24 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-22/russia-calls-for-un-brokered-moves-in-fighting-terror-ifx-says

Checkmate! Obama, who is an obvious traitor to the United States, is not so subtly exposed as such by the Russians! Obama, who has successfully rooted out every middle eastern dictator favorable to the USA, and her allies interests, due to the corrupting of the American process by the democratic party, has more then met his match in Vladimir Putin, who has effortlessly mastered America's first, and last affirmative actioned president!

I don't think the russian guy refers particularly to Obama, his administration or the democratic party, but more the foreign policy of the USA that tends to remain pretty consistent, no matter who's in the White House. You think anyone else would handle the Middle East any differently? How so, and how would that change the rise of ISIS, which is the point of Medvedev?

Quote from: Mariner on November 23, 2015, 11:56:35 AM
I don't think the russian guy refers particularly to Obama, his administration or the democratic party, but more the foreign policy of the USA that tends to remain pretty consistent, no matter who's in the White House. You think anyone else would handle the Middle East any differently? How so, and how would that change the rise of ISIS, which is the point of Medvedev?

So you actually believe that Obama did not change ME foreign policy when he took over in 2009? I'll get you started with just four countries to keep it simple. Iraq? Afghanistan? Libya? Egypt?

Quote from: supsalemgr on November 23, 2015, 12:04:11 PM
So you actually believe that Obama did not change ME foreign policy when he took over in 2009? I'll get you started with just four countries to keep it simple. Iraq? Afghanistan? Libya? Egypt?

No, I don't think. The general principles seem to be the same: creating havoc to divide and conquer. Am I wrong that this has been our beloved foreign policy for the middle east (for those countries who just don't obey) for decades?

Quote from: Mariner on November 23, 2015, 12:07:46 PM
No, I don't think. The general principles seem to be the same: creating havoc to divide and conquer. Am I wrong that this has been our beloved foreign policy for the middle east (for those countries who just don't obey) for decades?

You may have gotten it right with your first sentence. You didn't answer the questions. How did the bush policies stress divide and conquer of the four countries I asked about?

You are treading on troll status with your few new posts. Bring some common sense to this forum and do not avoid questions.

Quote from: supsalemgr on November 23, 2015, 12:39:56 PM
You may have gotten it right with your first sentence. You didn't answer the questions. How did the bush policies stress divide and conquer of the four countries I asked about?

You are treading on troll status with your few new posts. Bring some common sense to this forum and do not avoid questions.

I'm not avoiding the question (I answered it: No, Obama didn't change the US foreign policy), sir. I'm just seeing the problem from a holistic perspective (as I think matters of foreign policy should be seen) as opposed to seeing from a simplistic one like "Do we take soldiers from Iraq or do we keep them?". Those are just details.

What you need to think is: After we fucked up Iraq, what was next on our list? Yes, Libya and Syria. Obama managed to create havoc on both of them, so I don't think it's a bad presidency, at least in terms of middle east foreign policy wrt to US interests. The next president will try Iran, although that's a tougher bone..

Quote from: Mariner on November 23, 2015, 12:47:28 PM
I'm not avoiding the question (I answered it: No, Obama didn't change the US foreign policy), sir. I'm just seeing the problem from a holistic perspective (as I think matters of foreign policy should be seen) as opposed to seeing from a simplistic one like "Do we take soldiers from Iraq or do we keep them?". Those are just details.

You still have not answered how the Bush policy was divide and conquer for those countries.

Quote from: Mariner on November 23, 2015, 12:57:54 PM
What you need to think is: After we fucked up Iraq, what was next on our list? Yes, Libya and Syria. Obama managed to create havoc on both of them, so I don't think it's a bad presidency, at least in terms of middle east foreign policy wrt to US interests. The next president will try Iran, although that's a tougher bone..

How did Bush screw up Libya and Syria?

Quote from: supsalemgr on November 23, 2015, 01:35:04 PM
How did Bush screw up Libya and Syria?

Who said that?

??

Quote from: Mariner on November 23, 2015, 01:39:37 PM
Who said that?

??

"What you need to think is: After we fucked up Iraq, what was next on our list? Yes, Libya and Syria. Obama managed to create havoc on both of them, so I don't think it's a bad presidency, at least in terms of middle east foreign policy wrt to US interests. The next president will try Iran, although that's a tougher bone.."

Remember what you post here. Now answer the question.

Quote from: supsalemgr on November 23, 2015, 02:03:59 PM
"What you need to think is: After we fucked up Iraq, what was next on our list? Yes, Libya and Syria. Obama managed to create havoc on both of them, so I don't think it's a bad presidency, at least in terms of middle east foreign policy wrt to US interests. The next president will try Iran, although that's a tougher bone.."

Remember what you post here. Now answer the question.

I do remember, sir.
We is us, the United States, US Administration.
fucked up Iraq -> Bush's Adm
Syria and Libya -> Obama's Adm

Therefore, your question

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How did Bush screw up Libya and Syria?

is nonsensical. Hence my puzzlement.