Lots of excuse mongering and rationalizing, as many are shocked, SHOCKED which is laughable as Trump was just being Trump. Some realities:
* Trump is not, never was, nor ever will be a principled conservative; as he has been nothing more than a corporate hustler his entire life. Amazingly, this is news to many.
* The GOP is not, never was, nor ever will be a principled conservative party. From day one in 1856, it had been the errand boy for the northern mercantile class which morphed into the industrial class and has now become the vehicle for the crony capitalist multi-national globalist gang and their K Street paymasters. Politically, it always promoted centralized government, never states rights; while economically it relentlessly promoted protectionism, never free trade even for a day; during the 70 years of its ascendancy from Johnson to Hoover. Jackass McKinley even argued that "Protectionism is a core of the Natural Law." Why of course.
We know that repeating the same behavior(voting republican) and expecting a different result is a form of mental illness.
When enough come to terms w/the reality of the GOP frauds and hustlers, meaningful change can emerge; otherwise we will continue to drift as our decline accelerates, w/carny barkers consoling us w/the refrain that "we are the greatest".

Quote from: ldub23 on March 23, 2018, 07:12:57 PM
I guess we will see if defense contractor  votes equal all the  people who dont show  up in Nov.

After eight years of obama, we knew it would take a huge budget to fix and build up the military. One side benefit, negotiations with China and Russia seem to go better when we have a huge military. Without the crap in the budget, the military probably would not have received this budget, it looks like they got everything they wanted. THE DIMS GOT NOTHING FOR DACA. When they come down off their budget high, how will they explain this one. As for the midterms, conservatives have alot to gain with all the rinos retiring, staying away from the polls will only hurt themselves. Hopefully they (we) know that.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 23, 2018, 05:15:26 PM
I didn't vote for Trump....I didn't vote at all I ws so pissed Ted cruz wasn't on the ballot.....However, Trump did win me over, that doubled when I saw the underhanded, vile, illegal and immoral tricks those scum used to destroy his Presidency and throw our nation into chaos.

I don't like what just happened BUT, I am trying to look through the pile of feces for a few kernals of undigested corn.   Here's what I come up with.

A great deal of this budget is used for the Military and DEFENSE SPENDING....some of it is to hire new Prosecutors for the illegals, some to reinforce Law Enforcement, and the Border Patrol. There may even be a way to finagle funds for "The Wall" from the DEFENSE budget.  Remember Defense spending is ALWAYS good for the economy. People will be going back to work on these high dollar defense contracts, THAT MEANS MORE JOBS AND GOOD PAYING JOBS.  If you remember, our economy was crap when Reagan took office and when he increased Defense spending...remember what happened....

Another "kernal"  there is nothing to fund DACA.....the Dems threw them under the bus.

Now if we want to kick someone's ass over this, I look at the RINO's come November, they planned this and I thinkthey set a Trap for Trump. If "we" take it out on anybody we need to take it out on the usual list of Villians....Ryano, MCConnell, etc etc etc.

Very good summation Billy. I wish Trump would have vetoed the bill, but I understand why he signed it as he was pushed into a corner by McConnell and Ryan. He values our military and protecting our country and this swayed him. This vote shows how we still have much work to do to rid congress of RINO's. Below is a link showing how the senators voted:

http://therightscoop.com/breaking-senate-passes-omnibus-spending-bill/

I was surprised one of my RINO senators, Richard Burr voted nay. My representative, Mark Meadows, penned a scathing memo to his constituents explaining his opposition. Unfortunately the Freedom Caucus was rolled by Ryan and the left in the house.

Quote from: Solar on March 23, 2018, 08:45:04 PM
I hope he bombs the gop'E. I've no doubt they explained just how they planned to damage him over a govt shutdown, so hopefully, lesson learned.

Ditto. Time to go all out to destroy them.

Quote from: supsalemgr on March 24, 2018, 04:52:21 AM
Ditto. Time to go all out to destroy them.

How and what is the plan to destroy them???? The sooner the EXECUSES fade and real world of we just got fooled again is realized then moving forward to how the hell do we get our country back can start. TRUMP will be IMPEACHED if the DEMS take over the HOUSE. TRUMP and the DREAMERS will not like this, he just stabbed his supporters in the back?????? He will try and make amends with a few public moves that he has seen the light. He might even fire SESSIONS and Kelly, send JARVANKA and wife back to NY and some other public moves. Look for some TRUMP Rallies to start again to see if he has any support. The real battle he just CAVED, WHY ? WE don't know but the TRUMP days are numbered if the DEMS take Congress. Also, if the DEMS do not take Congress TRUMP will not be elected in 2020. Hopefully, Ted CRUZ primaries him and runs a smarter campaign this time. Bring more EXCUSES on!!!!!

Quote from: nzone on March 24, 2018, 05:08:37 AM
How and what is the plan to destroy them???? The sooner the EXECUSES fade and real world of we just got fooled again is realized then moving forward to how the hell do we get our country back can start. TRUMP will be IMPEACHED if the DEMS take over the HOUSE. TRUMP and the DREAMERS will not like this, he just stabbed his supporters in the back?????? He will try and make amends with a few public moves that he has seen the light. He might even fire SESSIONS and Kelly, send JARVANKA and wife back to NY and some other public moves. Look for some TRUMP Rallies to start again to see if he has any support. The real battle he just CAVED, WHY ? WE don't know but the TRUMP days are numbered if the DEMS take Congress. Also, if the DEMS do not take Congress TRUMP will not be elected in 2020. Hopefully, Ted CRUZ primaries him and runs a smarter campaign this time. Bring more EXCUSES on!!!!!

Have you missed the last three elections? It began with TEA in 2009. GOPe is destroyed at the ballot box.

Now explain to us how Trump will be impeached and removed from office? If the democrats take the house I can see articles of impeachment. However, I see no way 2/3 of the senate will vote to remove him from office. Once again, please share with us your wisdom as to how what you predict will come to fruition.

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on March 23, 2018, 05:00:37 PM
Impeach him for what?

IMO......If the dems control the house and senate they will try to impeach Trump for anything.

Quote from: cubs2016 on March 23, 2018, 05:16:02 PM
Solar, there is more to it than that.  There just has to be.  Something has happened to force him to cave to Schumer and Pelosi.  He could have shut the fing government down and no one would have suffered for it; actually could have blamed the dems for it, but he simply didn't.  I have an awful fear of what is going on behind the scenes - things from which we cannot recover our Constitutional Republic.

Don'tknowthough.  After decades of being disappointed by our Pubic Servants, this sure seems like a case of BOHICA! ( bend over here it comes again )

Quote from: supsalemgr on March 24, 2018, 06:04:02 AM
Have you missed the last three elections? It began with TEA in 2009. GOPe is destroyed at the ballot box.

Now explain to us how Trump will be impeached and removed from office? If the democrats take the house I can see articles of impeachment. However, I see no way 2/3 of the senate will vote to remove him from office. Once again, please share with us your wisdom as to how what you predict will come to fruition.

It wouldn't be this bad if you were debating someone that didn't run on emotion. But forget taking the intellectual approach, you're never going to get through.

Quote from: cubs2016 on March 23, 2018, 05:16:02 PM
Solar, there is more to it than that.  There just has to be.  Something has happened to force him to cave to Schumer and Pelosi.  He could have shut the fing government down and no one would have suffered for it; actually could have blamed the dems for it, but he simply didn't.  I have an awful fear of what is going on behind the scenes - things from which we cannot recover our Constitutional Republic.

One other point and you're right, something did happen, the Marxist gop'E colluded with the Dims to steal our tax dollars, that's what really happened, they gave themselves a raise without our permission for starters as well as funded every leftist social program under the sun.
That's what really happened, but lets put all that aside for a moment because in truth, our debt is already unmanageable and another trillion added to an already 200 trillion in unfunded debt is really nothing in the end.
I guess our only option at this point, is to recognize just how pissed off Trump must be for allowing himself to be routed like this.
He has the weight of the world on his shoulders, he appoints people he trusts to cover his back while he deals with our enemies around the globe, people conspiring to weaken us at any turn, while others are opportunists that will strike at a moments notice, illegals invading the country, OPEC vying for an angle, keeping an eye on Europe and NK.

My point is, Trump was supposed to have people dealing with domestic issues, making sure deals were being made behind the scenes, promises kept.
When someone doesn't do their job, this is the result, so expect to see more heads roll for either letting the Establishment scum get away with this, or he had a traitor in his midst that sold him out.
Nothing happens in DC in total silence, everyone has a price.
Anyway,  for the RINO to get away with this means Trump was not aware it was coming, which means his staff didn't warn him, so someone has to go.

Quote from: supsalemgr on March 24, 2018, 06:04:02 AM
Have you missed the last three elections? It began with TEA in 2009. GOPe is destroyed at the ballot box.

Now explain to us how Trump will be impeached and removed from office? If the democrats take the house I can see articles of impeachment. However, I see no way 2/3 of the senate will vote to remove him from office. Once again, please share with us your wisdom as to how what you predict will come to fruition.

2/3 of the existing SENATE would vote impeachment articles against TRUMP in the first ballot. Mr BRIGHTONE Name any R Senators except CRUZ that are not RINOS or pro Trumpters???

Quote from: nzone on March 24, 2018, 06:51:39 AM
2/3 of the existing SENATE would vote impeachment articles against TRUMP in the first ballot. Mr BRIGHTONE Name any R Senators except CRUZ that are not RINOS or pro Trumpters???

I don't care how much some senators dislike Trump, they like being a senator more. Try thinking about the next step. These folks will have to run for reelection and if they are from a Trump state they will not vote to remove. Since you are so sure of your prediction could you share exactly which GOP senators would vote to remove.

McConnell didn't allow any debate and created this backroom deal.  Trump's kidding himself if he thinks McConnell will change the Rules of the Senate.

As far as the answer to the question..What Happened?  Fox has reported that after Trump tweeted that he was considering vetoing this Liberal Democrat Dream Package, he had lunch with General Maddis.  It seems that Maddis was very persuasive!

Quote from: supsalemgr on March 24, 2018, 08:18:03 AM
I don't care how much some senators dislike Trump, they like being a senator more. Try thinking about the next step. These folks will have to run for reelection and if they are from a Trump state they will not vote to remove. Since you are so sure of your prediction could you share exactly which GOP senators would vote to remove.

At least 2/3 of the members both branches of the UNIPARTY D & R Wings. look it up for the names??

Quote from: nzone on March 24, 2018, 09:59:18 AM
At least 2/3 of the members both branches of the UNIPARTY D & R Wings. look it up for the names??

That is your job you made the statement, back it up and show the 2/3 members of both branches.