Quote from: red_dirt on February 28, 2015, 12:18:48 PM
     Yes, sounds good, but I would be looking at track record, not promises. As an example for Americans and especially young Americans, the Doctor is without equal, at this time.  Yet, look at what has to be done to truly end dependency:
     By now, only the blind mis-read the no-go zones in America (that is to say, nearly every major city east of the Missouri River, as something other than distribution nodes for narcotics, vice, and, increasingly, terror and narco terror.  The "no-go" applies to law enforcement and straight white Americans, male or female. That is the cold reality of it. What is being protected inside those barriers is anti social behavior beyond our comprehension, hopelessness, misery, but I still hope, a lot of joy.
     The thing that really opened it up to the awareness of ordinary citizens was the formation of Sharia no-go zones in European cities, notably Stockholm, London, Paris, and Amsterdam. As a matter of fact, we are now receiving reports of human trafficking and sex trade nodes in American cities.
      Now then, if that is not alarmist enough, let's consider the place of "dependency" in this criminal scenario. Dependency, however intentioned, enables real people to survive, children to achieve some semblance of humanity, and a lot of other things that assuage the conscience of a society which also has in mind a safe distance from all this action. I mean welfare, food stamps,  the myriad of public assistance initiatives, including government jobs. On that note, we must also touch on the Democratic political Machine and the go-along GOP.  These are the Clintons, with views of it all from the penthouses of Harlem and Washington, D.C.

      In summary, Doctor Carson and others making this claim to end dependency, while it makes a nice campaign poster, the substance  is not real.  Many GOP will see the Carson candidacy as a chance to demonstrate to the world that we are not racist. Problem is, everyone already knows that. That is a convenient political charge, akin to harping on the reputation of Democrats for sexual deviance. It's yesterday's news, and. as Reagan pointed out, beside the point. Actually, irrelevant.

I agree, he sounds good, but then, so did Bush 41.
It's his lack of record that bothers me the most, and his lack of Founding values, such as his comment on guns in cities, that was an emotional statement that you'd expect to hear coming from a lib campaigning.

Quote from: Solar on February 28, 2015, 09:51:48 AM
Two words Wally. States Rights.
Ninety five % of Federal safety net BS needs to be abolished and what deserves salvaging, should be left to the states to deal with.
Food stamps? Abolished! The nation did just fine before them, and would indisputably prosper without them.
Take away the incentive to fend for oneself, and you create a dependent.

I think your reading a whole lot more into Dr. Carson's statement, then is there.  We ought not jump to conclusions about "we know what he really means, when we don't know what he really means!  Having said that, I still am liking Scott Walker more and more.  That doesn't mean I don't really admire Dr. Carson and am very happy to count him as an allie against the Marxists.  I also like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee.  I'm think that Rand Paul has sort of imploded, by trying too hard to work the angles!

We ought to be happy to have many Leaders emerging, who will all have a place in the next Administration.  Obama's not dismantaling this nation single handedly.  He is the figurehead of this cabal and as such, is certainly the most visible advesary.  Our next Presiednt is going to need strong Leaders he/she can depend on.  I like Ben Carson very much and think you may be misreading his statement and misjudging the quality of his character and the sincerely of his Reagan style beliefs! Read Gifted Hands!  This was written many years before he had any political aspirations.  Character matters! (it may be what matters most of all)

Quote from: wally on February 28, 2015, 03:31:53 PM
I think your reading a whole lot more into Dr. Carson's statement, then is there.  We ought not jump to conclusions about "we know what he really means, when we don't know what he really means!  Having said that, I still am liking Scott Walker more and more.  That doesn't mean I don't really admire Dr. Carson and am very happy to count him as an allie against the Marxists.  I also like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee.  I'm think that Rand Paul has sort of imploded, by trying too hard to work the angles!

We ought to be happy to have many Leaders emerging, who will all have a place in the next Administration.  Obama's not dismantaling this nation single handedly.  He is the figurehead of this cabal and as such, is certainly the most visible advesary.  Our next Presiednt is going to need strong Leaders he/she can depend on.  I like Ben Carson very much and think you may be misreading his statement and misjudging the quality of his character and the sincerely of his Reagan style beliefs! Read Gifted Hands!  This was written many years before he had any political aspirations.  Character matters! (it may be what matters most of all)

No. It's what he didn't say that bugs the Hell out of me. As I stated earlier, his comment on gun rights was all it took to disqualify him from the running, coupled with the fact he has absolutely no experience where leadership is concerned.
So far everything out of his mouth has yet to espouse serious Conservative values. You know, take a stand on something, draw a line of some kind on any given subject, show us what he's actually made of.

As much as that, some indication he can function effectively in the political environment.  It's one thing to walk around a hospital wearing a white jacket and scope, everyone jumping out of the way like so many Hindus clearing the way of a sacred cow, and quite another to manage the world's greatest nation.

I got off Twitter. But when I was on,  I do recall following Dr. Ben Carson for a while. I like to keep manageable numbers on those social media sites.  I don't think I was seeing much from Dr. Carson on Twitter. Whatever, I quit following him.  In contrast to Senator Cruz, on the other hand, the hits from him keep coming and coming.  I'll have to reactivate Twitter, soon, and see what's new.
:)

Quote from: kit saginaw on February 27, 2015, 02:46:56 PM
Jeb's name was booed pretty enthusiastically early.  Though Hannity, who'll be airing his Jeb-interview tonight, said that the booing tailed-off during the Q&A.  I think the audience was just being polite... and not being 'won over', like Hannity was implying they were. 

Jeb will 'win over' the CPAC/TEA crowd when he withdraws from the race.

I agree that the audience was being polite in Jeb's presence. Throughout CPAC when Jeb's name was mentioned the booing would begin. He was wildly unpopular with the majority of CPAC attendees just as the straw poll indicated. The straw poll won't mean much further down the road but I still don't think he has a chance.

Quote from: red_dirt on February 28, 2015, 05:24:20 PM
As much as that, some indication he can function effectively in the political environment.  It's one thing to walk around a hospital wearing a white jacket and scope, everyone jumping out of the way like so many Hindus clearing the way of a sacred cow, and quite another to manage the world's greatest nation.

I got off Twitter. But when I was on,  I do recall following Dr. Ben Carson for a while. I like to keep manageable numbers on those social media sites.  I don't think I was seeing much from Dr. Carson on Twitter. Whatever, I quit following him.  In contrast to Senator Cruz, on the other hand, the hits from him keep coming and coming.  I'll have to reactivate Twitter, soon, and see what's new.
:)

To put it mildly this is an unfair statement and a distorted view of Dr. Ben Carson. The last thing that he can be accused of is arrogance. He is highly respected among hospital staff and fellow physicians alike but he is far from being a sacred cow.

Quote from: twigs on February 28, 2015, 06:52:51 PM
..... arrogance.

Your word, not mine. Just saying....

Maybe Carson is just getting his feet wet here.

Didn't Reagan run three times before he was taken seriously?

Quote from: Dori on February 28, 2015, 09:18:10 PM
Maybe Carson is just getting his feet wet here.

Didn't Reagan run three times before he was taken seriously?

Ugggh, there is no comparison....

Quote from: Dori on February 28, 2015, 09:18:10 PM
Maybe Carson is just getting his feet wet here.

Didn't Reagan run three times before he was taken seriously?

We really need to know more about Dr.Carson. No doubt he is intelligent and seems to be a nice guy. However, 2016 is not the year for a nice guy. We need a candidate that will stand up to the democrats with a solid track record.

Quote from: supsalemgr on March 01, 2015, 07:42:45 AM
We really need to know more about Dr.Carson. No doubt he is intelligent and seems to be a nice guy. However, 2016 is not the year for a nice guy. We need a candidate that will stand up to the democrats with a solid track record.

Again. I am leaning more towards Scott Walker or Ted Cruz or Mile Lee.  Its a long way until Novermber (2016) as the saying goes.  I liked Rand Paul, but it looks like he kind of imploded.  The same thing could happen to any one or all three of the ones I mentioned.  Remember George Allen's "Macaca" Moment?  Political Suicide as sure as Gary Hart and Donna Rice aboard the Monkey Business.

I believe Dr. Cason is a highly competent, rock solid American, who happens to be conservative in most, if not all his views.  We're lucky to have him on our team!

Quote from: wally on March 01, 2015, 03:24:20 PM
Again. I am leaning more towards Scott Walker or Ted Cruz or Mile Lee.  Its a long way until Novermber (2016) as the saying goes.  I liked Rand Paul, but it looks like he kind of imploded.  The same thing could happen to any one or all three of the ones I mentioned.  Remember George Allen's "Macaca" Moment?  Political Suicide as sure as Gary Hart and Donna Rice aboard the Monkey Business.

I believe Dr. Cason is a highly competent, rock solid American, who happens to be conservative in most, if not all his views.  We're lucky to have him on our team!

Carson might make a good running mate for someone! Here's a ticket I haven't seen floated yet Walker/Perry! Both fiscally conservative governors that accomplished a lot in their states!!

Quote from: wally on March 01, 2015, 03:24:20 PM
Again. I am leaning more towards Scott Walker or Ted Cruz or Mile Lee.  Its a long way until Novermber (2016) as the saying goes.  I liked Rand Paul, but it looks like he kind of imploded.  The same thing could happen to any one or all three of the ones I mentioned.  Remember George Allen's "Macaca" Moment?  Political Suicide as sure as Gary Hart and Donna Rice aboard the Monkey Business.

I believe Dr. Cason is a highly competent, rock solid American, who happens to be conservative in most, if not all his views.  We're lucky to have him on our team!

I don't think we have much to worry about. The Dims blew any chance of seeing an "Clean, articulate black man" anytime soon on their ticket..