Quote from: Mountainshield on November 29, 2013, 11:57:48 PM
Throught all of human history the places where private property has been protected has flourished and the states that has embraced statism has only experienced ruin, decay and experienced perpetual democide that continues in most places of the world even today. The objective standards if exist only supports conservatism.

That's complete bullshit.  Go ahead and look at the quality of life figures during the late 19th century "guilded" age and compare it to our "statist" modern society.  Just how many people were literate?  How many went to college?  How many born into poverty died middle or upper class people?  You have the "progressive" era to thank for laws even you would consider self evident, from banning child labor to implementing the most basic safety and health regulations. 

But yes, being able to keep your own private property is essential to your freedom and quality of life; did you receive the impression that this was the only relevant factor?

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Thats why I said only liberty and private property is the most successfull in allowing the poor to get work in which they improve their own situation, get better education and hence ensures social mobility.

Nobody here except for maybe the "war on drug" and "gay marriage ewww" conservatives are trying to restrict individual liberty, and since I support social welfare and a progressive tax rate how does giving the poor more money reduce their ability to get work and an education?   

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And the Standardization school/Common Core is quality education? Are you fucking kidding me?  oh damn I have to use this one at the next party 

Our education system is shit, but if you turn the conservative delusional rout it'll be even more shit; you have people on this very board actually suggesting that schooling as a concept is useless and that we should just go back to the 18th century model of private room and boards.  There's a reason why I'm going to ask the following question and it's going to be rhetorical: can you name a single industrialized nation in human history that succeeded without a public education system?

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Are you just seeking to win cheap shots at me? 
The poverty rate is lower because of wellfare, the purchasing power of the poor is however higher in the US than Europe due to lower taxes and lower prices. This is not limited to the US, i.e a poor person in Colombia can buy more food with his salary than a Norwegian can.

I'd be genuinely interested in reading your source for this.

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Actually it does as I presented in the post and which you did not counter. That poor people give higher percentage of income than rich does not invalidate that fact.

No, the fact that we have a welfare system does not abolish but rather compete with the private charity system.  Charity has existed for all of human history and yet strangely the poverty rate has decreased dramatically following implementation of social welfare. 

I'm going to give you a chance to spot the flaw in your graphic's title.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 30, 2013, 01:48:07 PM
I'm going to give you a chance to spot the flaw in your graphic's title.

Fancy the chances we would give you?