I actually managed to make my way through all of that.  After reading it... I ask: just what is your question?

Quote from: Rhea_Markable on November 25, 2013, 04:11:16 AM
I actually managed to make my way through all of that.  After reading it... I ask: just what is your question?

Me too, I read the whole damn thing last night, then hit the pic and thought someone started out with an idea and started doing drugs.
Then I remembered, he said he had a question, so I scrolled further down, only to discover he, like the artist, got too high and...see the bunny?
I like red, oooh, cool pic of Stalin....ummmm, more red....cooool...so ominous...., dude, pass that shit over here, I want another hit...

Uhhh ...what bunny?

Quote from: Rhea_Markable on November 25, 2013, 04:11:16 AM
I actually managed to make my way through all of that.  After reading it... I ask: just what is your question?

I don't know, but he just keeps beating that God Damn Drum.

Quote from: Solar on November 25, 2013, 04:51:57 AM

Me too, I read the whole damn thing last night, then hit the pic and thought someone started out with an idea and started doing drugs.
Then I remembered, he said he had a question, so I scrolled further down, only to discover he, like the artist, got too high and...see the bunny?
I like red, oooh, cool pic of Stalin....ummmm, more red....cooool...so ominous...., dude, pass that shit over here, I want another hit...

Uhhh ...what bunny?

Quote from: Rhea_Markable on November 25, 2013, 06:23:00 AM

I shouldn't post before my first cup o coffee....

Excellent post, OP.

The left-right paradigm is flawed and the paradigm of zero government- total government is the superior model.

I would place myself in the anarchist camp, specifically, with the anarcho-capitalists.

Quote from: TowardLiberty on November 25, 2013, 08:17:07 AM
Excellent post, OP.

The left-right paradigm is flawed and the paradigm of zero government- total government is the superior model.

I would place myself in the anarchist camp, specifically, with the anarcho-capitalists.

Perfect anarchy cannot exist, with humans.  Hence anarchy cannot exist. 

Quote from: kit saginaw on November 25, 2013, 08:45:09 AM
Perfect anarchy cannot exist, with humans.  Hence anarchy cannot exist.

Well, obviously that is not true.

For anarchy has existed.

And it does today.

Though I am not sure what "perfect" anarchy is. I probably dispute it's existence.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 24, 2013, 09:36:52 PM
The 1.53 degrees isn't directly hurting your body, dumbass.  Research has quantified its significant affect on, for example, firestorm durations and global ocean levels.  That you think your gut feeling trumps scientific and mathematical analysis is why you couldn't predict 2012.

How high have the ocean levels risen?

Quote from: TowardLiberty on November 25, 2013, 09:05:47 AM
Well, obviously that is not true.

For anarchy has existed.

And it does today.

Though I am not sure what "perfect" anarchy is. I probably dispute it's existence.

Someone bringing rationality to a sociological structure, defeats the anarchistic model.  For example, you don't give a 3-year-old equal say on how to manage a farm and protect the family.  That's perfect anarchy.

Follow the imperfect model to its final conclusion and you're left with the Never Trust Anyone Over 25-syndrome.  Because the elders have the wisdom and life-experience.  There's never been an anarchistic-movement that wasn't led by a hastily slapped-together poltiburo.  That's not anarchy.   

 

 

Quote from: kit saginaw on November 25, 2013, 09:38:02 AM
Someone bringing rationality to a sociological structure, defeats the anarchistic model.  For example, you don't give a 3-year-old equal say on how to manage a farm and protect the family.  That's perfect anarchy.

Well, that sounds rather silly.

I join you in denouncing this "perfect anarchy."

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Follow the imperfect model to its final conclusion and you're left with the Never Trust Anyone Over 25-syndrome.  Because the elders have the wisdom and life-experience.  There's never been an anarchistic-movement that wasn't led by a hastily slapped-together poltiburo.  That's not anarchy.   
 

I take issue with your 2nd to last sentence.

There are plenty of examples of anarchy that are horizontal orders. Just look to the various customary law societies.

Or even modern day commercial dispute arbitration.

In comparative politics the most often used model is the left-right libertarian-authoritarian "paradigm" but it is just bs as a ploy to show socialists as liberty loving left wingers in contrast to Stalin and conservatives as authoritarian right wingers up there with Hitler.

First came over this "new" paradigm you describe here waching John Birch Society: Overview of America and in line with occam razor this model is much better because it is so simple and it makes it impossible for socialist to argue that they are for liberty when every edict they want to make transfers more power to the state.

Then again freedom to socialist does not mean the same as to us, to us freedom is private property rights but to the socialists freedom means "ability to make any legislation you want without any hinderance" or something more eloquent to that effect.

You didn't really leave much to be discussed in the OP and you are preaching to the choir here. My own Country of norway would fall in between Social Democracy on small enterprise and agriculture but Corporatist socialism and statism on the commanding heights to varying degrees.

Quote from: Mountainshield on November 25, 2013, 11:09:19 AM
In comparative politics the most often used model is the left-right libertarian-authoritarian "paradigm" but it is just bs as a ploy to show socialists as liberty loving left wingers in contrast to Stalin and conservatives as authoritarian right wingers up there with Hitler.

First came over this "new" paradigm you describe here waching John Birch Society: Overview of America and in line with occam razor this model is much better because it is so simple and it makes it impossible for socialist to argue that they are for liberty when every edict they want to make transfers more power to the state.

Then again freedom to socialist does not mean the same as to us, to us freedom is private property rights but to the socialists freedom means "ability to make any legislation you want without any hinderance" or something more eloquent to that effect.

You didn't really leave much to be discussed in the OP and you are preaching to the choir here. My own Country of norway would fall in between Social Democracy on small enterprise and agriculture but Corporatist socialism and statism on the commanding heights to varying degrees.

Found it in video form, near the end of the video, but well worth the watch overall.

John Birch Society - Overview of America - Part 1

Quote from: kopema on November 24, 2013, 06:17:18 PM
Mmmmm... maybe.

But probably not.

I've reached a stage in my life--WHATEVER WORKS!  If government can do better at something, let government do it.  (I sure as hell don't want the clowns on any of the state/local goverment authorities trying to fix the nearby INTERSTAE.  TRUST ME, the government is not gonna want to do what I do--they have 'contracted' to me for 23 years for my tiny little slice of expertise.  If private industry can do it better, let private industry do it!  If we go to single payer for health insurance and IT WILL WORK, let them do it.  GOVERMENT got us to the moon--NASA was a GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY using private contractors.  The PENTAGON 'outsourced' except the fighting 2 wars and PRIVATE INDUSTRY OVERCHARGED and OFTEN FAILED!!  From tranports to broken guns to private protection--we paid through the NOSE for all of it and were held HOSTAGE for water and food to the troops unless payment was made when 'audits' clearly found waste, fraud and abuse!

Quote from: cpicturetaker12 on November 25, 2013, 01:19:56 PM
I've reached a stage in my life--WHATEVER WORKS!  If government can do better at something, let government do it.  (I sure as hell don't want the clowns on any of the state/local goverment authorities trying to fix the nearby INTERSTAE.  TRUST ME, the government is not gonna want to do what I do--they have 'contracted' to me for 23 years for my tiny little slice of expertise.  If private industry can do it better, let private industry do it!  If we go to single payer for health insurance and IT WILL WORK, let them do it.  GOVERMENT got us to the moon--NASA was a GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY using private contractors.  The PENTAGON 'outsourced' except the fighting 2 wars and PRIVATE INDUSTRY OVERCHARGED and OFTEN FAILED!!  From tranports to broken guns to private protection--we paid through the NOSE for all of it and were held HOSTAGE for water and food to the troops unless payment was made when 'audits' clearly found waste, fraud and abuse!

NASA contracts with private industry.  So does the DoD.  This element of competition is what helped us send men to the moon and helps make our fighting forces second to none.

Government acting on its own, however, is what indulges in pork barrel spending, plunders industry, and puts us $17 trillion in debt.