Quote from: Dubinsky on July 03, 2016, 09:36:26 AM
Perhaps attack was the wrong word.  How do I know if he would win?  Can you predict for certainty that if every conservative voted for him, he would lose?  I'm not a fan of polls so I don't think he is losing as badly as they make it seem.  Doesn't mean I choose to help him.  Did I or did I not say it was raised elsewhere.  I thought it was a good angle for discussion.  Apparently you don't.

Conservatives will not be supporting a lib, it really is that simple. TEA hasn't gotten us this far just to throw it all away on another lib brought to you by leftists.
Vote for him if you like, but I guarantee you, you'll be in the minority.
As for polls, one thing for certain, throughout the primary, Trump only had 30% of the vote, the rest split between several other candidates, that does not translate to a majority vote.
Now consider roughly have of that support was from crossover libs, libs that won't be supporting him in the general, how do you think he'll fare come Nov 4?
You see, a plurality is not a majority, and I believe that the majority of the base will be writing in Cruz.

Even RINO Mitten is writing in anyone but Trump.

Mitt Romney Would Rather Vote For A Write-In Candidate Than Donald Trump
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mitt-romney-donald-trump-vote_us_56dc4663e4b0000de404f17d

What I find telling, is that google seems to be burying any news about a Cruz write in campaign, as evidenced by this forum when searching the term 'Cruz Write In Campaign', we are not listed, and the thread has been running for months, yet with any other hot topic on this site, we are generally on the first page of a given search.
Yes, the left fears Ted Cruz and his followers. Furthermore, have you heard any mention in the news or print about writing in Ted?
No, but if you read the comments across the web, it's full of people saying they will Write In Cruz...

IMO...the're both liberal democrats. Both have the same liberal values. So you can actually go blind folded in that voting booth and still come out of there with the same results.

Except if Hillary wins the democrats own it and something tells me our rino congress will be a lot harder on her then they are on Obama.

Now if Trump wins it our rino congress will back the liberal Trump.

So with them two factors which I believe to be correct I'll write in Ted Cruz.

I don't believe Hillary can win a second term. She can't even walk four New York City blocks in the gay parade without huffing and puffing. They had to sit her down and get her in a car can you imagine what four years of the White House will do to that fat woman. Just listen to the coughing fits she has when trying to bullsh*t America.

Quote from: Solar on July 03, 2016, 10:06:38 AM
Conservatives will not be supporting a lib, it really is that simple. TEA hasn't gotten us this far just to throw it all away on another lib brought to you by leftists.
Vote for him if you like, but I guarantee you, you'll be in the minority.
As for polls, one thing for certain, throughout the primary, Trump only had 30% of the vote, the rest split between several other candidates, that does not translate to a majority vote.
Now consider roughly have of that support was from crossover libs, libs that won't be supporting him in the general, how do you think he'll fare come Nov 4?
You see, a plurality is not a majority, and I believe that the majority of the base will be writing in Cruz.

Even RINO Mitten is writing in anyone but Trump.

Mitt Romney Would Rather Vote For A Write-In Candidate Than Donald Trump
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mitt-romney-donald-trump-vote_us_56dc4663e4b0000de404f17d

What I find telling, is that google seems to be burying any news about a Cruz write in campaign, as evidenced by this forum when searching the term 'Cruz Write In Campaign', we are not listed, and the thread has been running for months, yet with any other hot topic on this site, we are generally on the first page of a given search.
Yes, the left fears Ted Cruz and his followers. Furthermore, have you heard any mention in the news or print about writing in Ted?
No, but if you read the comments across the web, it's full of people saying they will Write In Cruz...

Trust me...I won't be voting for him.  Since I asked Hoofer, I'll ask you as well.  Think there is any chance that Trump might still get dumped at the convention.  One can hope...

Quote from: Dubinsky on July 03, 2016, 10:10:09 AM

Trust me...I won't be voting for him.  Since I asked Hoofer, I'll ask you as well.  Think there is any chance that Trump might still get dumped at the convention.  One can hope...

Yes, there is a fight between the rules makers and the delegates. The delegates hate Trump, the rules makers are the Establishment.
IMO, there is about to be one bloody fight and the party will lose because the delegates refused the master orders to commit suicide.
Trump will not be the nominee...

Quote from: Solar on July 03, 2016, 10:06:38 AM
Conservatives will not be supporting a lib, it really is that simple. TEA hasn't gotten us this far just to throw it all away on another lib brought to you by leftists.
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You see, a plurality is not a majority, and I believe that the majority of the base will be writing in Cruz.
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What I find telling, is that google seems to be burying any news about a Cruz write in campaign, as evidenced by this forum when searching the term 'Cruz Write In Campaign', we are not listed, and the thread has been running for months, yet with any other hot topic on this site, we are generally on the first page of a given search.
Yes, the left fears Ted Cruz and his followers. Furthermore, have you heard any mention in the news or print about writing in Ted?
No, but if you read the comments across the web, it's full of people saying they will Write In Cruz...

Dead on!!!   And they're probably already thinking, 'How can we nip-this-in-the-bud so it doesn't burn us again?'  Literally an information war, the haves trying to control the have-nots.  Nobody easily hands over the reins of power, it must be taken ... usually against someone else's will.

Quote from: Hoofer on July 03, 2016, 10:16:45 AM
Dead on!!!   And they're probably already thinking, 'How can we nip-this-in-the-bud so it doesn't burn us again?'  Literally an information war, the haves trying to control the have-nots.  Nobody easily hands over the reins of power, it must be taken ... usually against someone else's will.

To your point. Reince Priebus has been awfully quiet lately. Hmmmm?

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 03, 2016, 10:22:29 AM
To your point. Reince Priebus has been awfully quiet lately. Hmmmm?

If you KNEW your candidate was a guaranteed loss, why stick your neck out for him?  Really, not joking!  I'd shut up and try mitigate damage, hold onto the Senate & House - give the loser all the rope he wants to hang himself.   Keep your hands clean.

Quote from: Solar on July 03, 2016, 10:14:58 AM
Yes, there is a fight between the rules makers and the delegates. The delegates hate Trump, the rules makers are the Establishment.
IMO, there is about to be one bloody fight and the party will lose because the delegates refused the master orders to commit suicide.
Trump will not be the nominee...

I really want to believe he wont be the nominee. If the rules could be changed maybe but if not, I think they cave and brand the orange obama the nominee.

Heres a MSN article about Trumps struggles and how he has turned Colorado blue. Sad......
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-statements-slow-start-put-pivotal-southwest-at-risk/ar-AAi0zRC?li=BBnb7Kz

Quote from: Dubinsky on July 03, 2016, 07:17:54 AM
Realizing that there is no difference between Trump and Hillary, and while it's becoming increasingly clearer that she won't be indicted, is it still the best strategy to write in Cruz?  I, like all of you am disgusted always having to hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two of evils but when all is said and done, and the emotions are taken out of the equation, do we really want a President Hillary Clinton?

The reason I raise this is that maybe it's possible that with Trump those like Cruz and Lee for example, will at least have Trump's attention and perhaps he would even listen to them, whereas Hillary will NEVER seek any opinion from any conservative.

So I guess what I'm saying in a nutshell is access to the next president, by conservatives better with the slime-ball Trump than with Hillary?

Just curious to hear what everyone thinks.  For the record, I still plan on writing in Cruz, but again is this the best strategy?

For me it's really not a strategy, but a matter of conscious.  I haven't voted for anyone whom I thought would continue the destruction of this country the past several election cycles. 

Since we know we will probably have a choice between a liberal whackadoo and a liberal criminal unless a couple of miracles take place,  I think it all the more important to vote one's conscious and vote down ballot as conservatively as possible with the hope of retaining the majority in both Houses.

Quote from: Ms.Independence on July 03, 2016, 08:29:02 PM
For me it's really not a strategy, but a matter of conscious.  I haven't voted for anyone whom I thought would continue the destruction of this country the past several election cycles. 

Since we know we will probably have a choice between a liberal whackadoo and a liberal criminal unless a couple of miracles take place,  I think it all the more important to vote one's conscious and vote down ballot as conservatively as possible with the hope of retaining the majority in both Houses.

...and the doom & gloomers want us to think we're incapable of separating the POTUS vote from the down ballot votes.   Which I find hilarious!

I'm not voting for Trump.
OMG! - we'll lose the House and Senate!
I'm voting for Conservatives.
Whew!  Glad to hear you've changed your mind about Trump.
-repeat-repeat-repeat.. 
The RINOs & Trump-a-loons can't separate the two.

My perspective is how to prevent further DAMAGE to our Bill of Rights - assuming the POTUS is a lost cause.
Down ballot votes!  Give TEA and Constitutional Conservatives a mandate.

Quote from: Dubinsky on July 03, 2016, 07:17:54 AM
Realizing that there is no difference between Trump and Hillary, and while it's becoming increasingly clearer that she won't be indicted, is it still the best strategy to write in Cruz?  I, like all of you am disgusted always having to hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two of evils but when all is said and done, and the emotions are taken out of the equation, do we really want a President Hillary Clinton?

The reason I raise this is that maybe it's possible that with Trump those like Cruz and Lee for example, will at least have Trump's attention and perhaps he would even listen to them, whereas Hillary will NEVER seek any opinion from any conservative.

So I guess what I'm saying in a nutshell is access to the next president, by conservatives better with the slime-ball Trump than with Hillary?

Just curious to hear what everyone thinks.  For the record, I still plan on writing in Cruz, but again is this the best strategy?

Why would you support a candidate of a party with a radical liberal as the nominee?

If you choose to vote, your are legitimizing the system. The system is no longer legitimate.

Quote from: Justaguy on July 05, 2016, 11:16:15 AM
If you choose to vote, your are legitimizing the system. The system is no longer legitimate.

So your solution is to stick your head in.....um presumably sand I hope, and pretend all is quiet on the western front?

Quote from: Justaguy on July 05, 2016, 11:16:15 AM
If you choose to vote, your are legitimizing the system. The system is no longer legitimate.

Really it should be:
If you choose to vote for Donald Trump, you are legitimizing him.  Trump is showing the GOPe is no longer a legitimate Conservative party.

Quote from: Justaguy on July 05, 2016, 11:16:15 AM
If you choose to vote, your are legitimizing the system. The system is no longer legitimate.

The 'system' and the ballot box are all we really have have to peacefully make changes.  There is no doubt that corruption is rampant within our system, but the only other option is to dissolve any political ties to our current government and form a new government.  I don't see that as a peaceful solution. Last time I checked the Constitution of the United States is still the rule of law and it is up to each and everyone of us to ensure to the best of our ability to vote as conservatively as possible in order to preserve our rights under the Constitution. Simply not voting and doing nothing and throwing up our hands because the system is not how we want it to be is foolish. We have an uphill battle.  I feel we came extremely close to winning that battle and who knows what's going to unfold in the next couple of weeks.  Time will tell.  Not voting to me is simply not an option.  As an American citizen I see voting as a responsibility.