I enjoyed my morning coffee, listening to Fox coverage of the current hostage crisis. A Muslim woman was speaking out about the hijacking of the Muslim religion by ISLAMISTS, and she differenciated between the vast majority of Muslims and the radical ISLAMISTs who are perverting their faith! She said that most of those who are being killed and persecuted by the ISLAMISTS, are in fact other Muslims. She said there is real danger in (our) not exposing the ideology of the ISLAMISTS; that they are devout followers of a distorted sect of the Islamic Faith, who use violence and inti,midation to spread their "Faith". She said that as a Muslim herself, it was necessary for her to speak out. She also congratulated the people at FOX for daring to speak out and said even by doing so they are making themselves targets! (I think I perceived a collective nervous gulp)
I often want to see how the (any) news is being portrayed to Americans who don't (won't) watch FOX, so I turned over to the OBAMACHANNEL and began watching "Mornning Joe". I was quite suprized! Although, they didn't refer to the terrorists as ISLAMISTS and at least one of their Liberal Talking Heads began to give excuses for "the brothers" by giving the sob story of what amounted to their psyco/social history, another Muslim women spoke out about the hijacking of their religion and the danger of our not speaking out in opposition of this movement of the radical branch of Islam. She said that even today, in Saudi Arabia, their is a PUBLIC FLOGGING scheduled. The man, is a blogger who was found guilty of having said something that was deemed to have insulted The Phophet Mohammed! He was sentenced to be publicly flogged 100 times (that ought to kill the poor SOB)
It occurred to me, that the other day on one of the Business shows, they were saying that the Saudi's were flooding the market with cheap oil in an attempt to destroy the development of our oil industry, making it too expensive and less profitable. The discussion centered around the real threat the Saudi's feel of our "energy independence" being in sight and they want to put an end to this.
Considering that the Saudi's are Wahabi Sunnies, as was Osama Bin Laden and Wahabi's practice a strict interpretation of the Quran and the Saudi's fund Madrasses (religious schools) all over the world, including here in the US is there ideology the proximate cause of the Terrorism? I wonder?
I also wonder why our Ass-Clown in Chief bowed to this Third World Despot?
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Quote from: wally on January 09, 2015, 04:51:56 AM
I enjoyed my morning coffee, listening to Fox coverage of the current hostage crisis. A Muslim woman was speaking out about the hijacking of the Muslim religion by ISLAMISTS, and she differenciated between the vast majority of Muslims and the radical ISLAMISTs who are perverting their faith! She said that most of those who are being killed and persecuted by the ISLAMISTS, are in fact other Muslims. She said there is real danger in (our) not exposing the ideology of the ISLAMISTS; that they are devout followers of a distorted sect of the Islamic Faith, who use violence and inti,midation to spread their "Faith". She said that as a Muslim herself, it was necessary for her to speak out. She also congratulated the people at FOX for daring to speak out and said even by doing so they are making themselves targets! (I think I perceived a collective nervous gulp)
I often want to see how the (any) news is being portrayed to Americans who don't (won't) watch FOX, so I turned over to the OBAMACHANNEL and began watching "Mornning Joe". I was quite suprized! Although, they didn't refer to the terrorists as ISLAMISTS and at least one of their Liberal Talking Heads began to give excuses for "the brothers" by giving the sob story of what amounted to their psyco/social history, another Muslim women spoke out about the hijacking of their religion and the danger of our not speaking out in opposition of this movement of the radical branch of Islam. She said that even today, in Saudi Arabia, their is a PUBLIC FLOGGING scheduled. The man, is a blogger who was found guilty of having said something that was deemed to have insulted The Phophet Mohammed!
It occurred to me, that the other day on one of the Business shows, they were saying that the Saudi's were flooding the market with cheap oil in an attempt to destroy the development of our oil industry, making it too expensive and less profitable. The discussion centered around the real threat the Saudi's feel of our "energy independence" being in sight and they want to put an end to this.
Considering that the Saudi's are Wahabi Sunnies, as was Osama Bin Laden and Wahabi's practice a strict interpretation of the Quran and the Saudi's fund Madrasses (religious schools) all over the world, including here in the US is there ideology the proximate cause of the Terrorism? I wonder?
I also wonder why our Ass-Clown in Chief bowed to this Third World Despot?
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Because the Shia muslims are so much better :rolleyes: It may be the sunni's that are behind most if not all terrorist attacks agains the West, and we may see ourselves allied with Iran, but I would not be so gullible as to believe that the answer lies with supporting Shia Muslims as the Theocracy of Iran is only non threatening because they are so incompetent. If they had the capability as they had in the Iraq insurrection with supporting shia militias to kill Americans, they would still be supporting terrorism.
The problem is Islam, and until all muslims renounce their faith or are expelled and quarantined in the shithole they call nations there will never be Peace.
Quote from: Mountainshield on January 09, 2015, 05:04:16 AM
Because the Shia muslims are so much better :rolleyes: It may be the sunni's that are behind most if not all terrorist attacks agains the West, and we may see ourselves allied with Iran, but I would not be so gullible as to believe that the answer lies with supporting Shia Muslims as the Theocracy of Iran is only non threatening because they are so incompetent. If they had the capability as they had in the Iraq insurrection with supporting shia militias to kill Americans, they would still be supporting terrorism.
The problem is Islam, and until all muslims renounce their faith or are expelled and quarantined in the shithole they call nations there will never be Peace.
I doubt that 1.6 Billion people (most not even in the Middle East) are going to ever "renounce their faith" and have a Come to Jesus Moment!
ISIS (ISIL) has a lot of SADDAM HUSSAIN's former military (members and Leaders). Iraq is a Sunni Muslim country, as is Saudi Arabia and AL Quada!
Nonetheless, IRAN, who is a state sponsor of International Terrorism, is a Shia Muslim nation!
Their Ayotollas and Imans follow a perverted interpretation of Islam, as well.
The Muslim people are held hostage by their Leaders and they bow to the power they wield!
The problem is not RELIGION; It's the POWER IN THE HANDS OF A FEW PERVERSE RELIGIOUS FANATICS, who rule over their people with ruthless, barbaric violence!
Because he's an idiot who doesn't know that the President represents the sovereignty of the American people and thus is NOT supposed to bow to these moron's errr I mean Monarchs.
Quote from: daidalos on January 09, 2015, 05:24:08 AM
Because he's an idiot who doesn't know that the President represents the sovereignty of the American people and thus is NOT supposed to bow to these moron's errr I mean Monarchs.
I agree... Perhaps equally important is the image to the world of the shining city on the hill, has just become another third world ghetto!
Quote from: wally on January 09, 2015, 05:18:01 AM
I doubt that 1.6 Billion people (most not even in the Middle East) are going to ever "renounce their faith" and have a Come to Jesus Moment!
ISIS (ISIL) has a lot of SADDAM HUSSAIN's former military (members and Leaders). Iraq is a Sunni Muslim country, as is Saudi Arabia and AL Quada!
Nonetheless, IRAN, who is a state sponsor of International Terrorism, is a Shia Muslim nation!
Their Ayotollas and Imans follow a perverted interpretation of Islam, as well.
The Muslim people are held hostage by their Leaders and they bow to the power they wield!
The problem is not RELIGION; It's the POWER IN THE HANDS OF A FEW PERVERSE RELIGIOUS FANATICS, who rule over their people with ruthless, barbaric violence!
The problem is RELIGION
Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".
Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"
Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..."
Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah" Either they die, or we die. As long as you continue to buy the liberal narrative that most Muslims do not support the Koran as it is written black on white and refuse to acknowledge that Islam is the disease then there will always be war until they outbreed us and wipe us out in our own countries. Remember that lying to infidels is accepted in the Koran, the muslim spokeperson speaking for all the "moderate" muslims out there is either clueless or lying.
Quote from: Mountainshield on January 09, 2015, 05:51:39 AM
The problem is RELIGION
Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".
Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"
Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..."
Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"
Either they die, or we die. As long as you continue to buy the liberal narrative that most Muslims do not support the Koran as it is written black on white and refuse to acknowledge that Islam is the disease then there will always be war until they outbreed us and wipe us out in our own countries. Remember that lying to infidels is accepted in the Koran, the muslim spokeperson speaking for all the "moderate" muslims out there is either clueless or lying.
One could lift selected quotes out of the Bible that presents the justification for crusades and holy war to spead Christianity throughout the world. It would be either ignorant of stupid to think that it's a liberal narrative that most Christians do not support the Bible (or that they support every word of both the old and new testiments as being an instruction from God for them to slay the nonBelievers and subjegate the world under their control!
I do believe that it's a fact that most "Catholics" are Liberal, as are most Muslims. I'm married to a Catholic, who is also a Teacher and a member of a Teacher Union. Inspite of the stgerotypes, I can assure you that she is no Liberal!
If people believe in freedom and liberty above all else, it kind of puts God and religious teachings into a much better perspective! Our Founders believed that our rights came from God and hense were (are) unalienable and no goverment (or religious hierarcy) can take those away. Many of us in America still do believe this! The furtherence of these rights promotes Liberty; the protection of these rights ensure Justice and the free exercise of these rights ensures Freedom for all of us. One of the most basic (sacred) rights is the freedom of religion!
Quote from: wally on January 09, 2015, 06:12:47 AM
One could lift selected quotes out of the Bible that presents the justification for crusades and holy war to spead Christianity throughout the world. It would be either ignorant of stupid to think that it's a liberal narrative that most Christians do not support the Bible (or that they support every word of both the old and new testiments as being an instruction from God for them to slay the nonBelievers and subjegate the world under their control!
This is absolutely true. That is why I've always said that Christianity is just one charismatic leader away from becoming the next Islam.
I'd don't say that to demean Christian, but to warn them!
QuoteI do believe that it's a fact that most "Catholics" are Liberal, as are most Muslims. I'm married to a Catholic, who is also a Teacher and a member of a Teacher Union. In spite of the stereotypes, I can assure you that she is no Liberal!
Having been raised Catholic (attended 12 years of parochial school) I can verify what you say about Catholics. Much like Jews in this country most are decidedly Liberal.
I will disagree, however, with you about Muslims. Muslims are extremely conservative - even non-radicalized Muslims are still clinging to beliefs and traditions that went the way of the dinosaur some 900 years ago! If given their choice, they would much rather live in a 12th Century Monarch (The Caliphate!).
QuoteIf people believe in freedom and liberty above all else, it kind of puts God and religious teachings into a much better perspective! Our Founders believed that our rights came from God and hence were (are) unalienable and no government (or religious hierarchy) can take those away. Many of us in America still do believe this! The furtherance of these rights promotes Liberty; the protection of these rights ensure Justice and the free exercise of these rights ensures Freedom for all of us. One of the most basic (sacred) rights is the freedom of religion!
In short, since God gave us a Free Will, what man has a right to interfere with that?
Quote from: Darth Fife on January 09, 2015, 08:34:14 AM
This is absolutely true. That is why I've always said that Christianity is just one charismatic leader away from becoming the next Islam.
I'd don't say that to demean Christian, but to warn them!
Having been raised Catholic (attended 12 years of parochial school) I can verify what you say about Catholics. Much like Jews in this country most are decidedly Liberal.
I will disagree, however, with you about Muslims. Muslims are extremely conservative - even non-radicalized Muslims are still clinging to beliefs and traditions that went the way of the dinosaur some 900 years ago! If given their choice, they would much rather live in a 12th Century Monarch (The Caliphate!).
In short, since God gave us a Free Will, what man has a right to interfere with that?
I'm not a very good, Bible thumping Christian, but I've gone to church enough to know that the message of brotherly love and fellowship is rather benign. As a matter of fact, the teachings of Christianity too often emphasises the blessings of being meek, turning the other cheek and being good faithful followers of the Lamb and basically...SHEEP!
I doubt that we are "only on charismatic Leader away form being the next islam". Of course, I'm not Catholic and see the Pope as just another guy is a long robe and a funny hat; although his hearts in the right place, like so many Libs, he allows his heart to dictate over reason and common sence!
Quote from: daidalos on January 09, 2015, 05:24:08 AM
Because he's an idiot who doesn't know that the President represents the sovereignty of the American people and thus is NOT supposed to bow to these moron's errr I mean Monarchs.
Because he is one of them.
We have a clash of civilizations. While some Muslims do want modernity, there is a ruthless faction that wants sharia laws and the severe form of an Islamic government.
I don't think anyone knows how to effectively fix/deal with this problem, but IMO radical Islam is a huge worldwide threat to all countries. I guess the potential has always been there, so I'm not sure why we are surprised or unprepared, as it's been with us since Mohammed's time.
My first memories of Islamic terrorism (didn't know what it was then) were International attacks by the PLO.
Some muslims don't have the stomach to do the killing, stoning, beheading, maiming, lying, cheating that the koran approves of.
But rest assured that they are ALL happy that somebody's doing it, for their way of life and prophet, and to become world-wide.
I doubt there's 10 of them out there who think their koran or general outlook should be changed to include only love and decency, as Jesus / New Testament changed to.
And that's their game, claim that only a few are terrorists, which is totally dishonest, and claim that "lots of them" are against the terrorists. Except nobody ever sees them. One or two have been in the news...........so that's supposedly their "billion" that are peaceful.
And the libs eat it up, and expect everybody else to.
Quote from: Dori on January 09, 2015, 10:03:46 AM
We have a clash of civilizations. While some Muslims do want modernity, there is a ruthless faction that wants sharia laws and the severe form of an Islamic government.
I don't think anyone knows how to effectively fix/deal with this problem, but IMO radical Islam is a huge worldwide threat to all countries. I guess the potential has always been there, so I'm not sure why we are surprised or unprepared, as it's been with us since Mohammed's time.
My first memories of Islamic terrorism (didn't know what it was then) were International attacks by the PLO.
Here's a very good explanation of what's happening!
http://video.foxnews.com/v/3979727819001/dr-qanta-ahmed-we-are-under-siege-by-islamism/?#sp=show-clips (http://video.foxnews.com/v/3979727819001/dr-qanta-ahmed-we-are-under-siege-by-islamism/?#sp=show-clips)
Quote from: wally on January 09, 2015, 06:12:47 AM
One could lift selected quotes out of the Bible that presents the justification for crusades and holy war to spead Christianity throughout the world. It would be either ignorant of stupid to think that it's a liberal narrative that most Christians do not support the Bible (or that they support every word of both the old and new testiments as being an instruction from God for them to slay the nonBelievers and subjegate the world under their control!
I do believe that it's a fact that most "Catholics" are Liberal, as are most Muslims. I'm married to a Catholic, who is also a Teacher and a member of a Teacher Union. Inspite of the stgerotypes, I can assure you that she is no Liberal!
If people believe in freedom and liberty above all else, it kind of puts God and religious teachings into a much better perspective! Our Founders believed that our rights came from God and hense were (are) unalienable and no goverment (or religious hierarcy) can take those away. Many of us in America still do believe this! The furtherence of these rights promotes Liberty; the protection of these rights ensure Justice and the free exercise of these rights ensures Freedom for all of us. One of the most basic (sacred) rights is the freedom of religion!
What Richard Dawkins had to say after the France attacks -
"No, all religions are NOT equally violent. Some have never been violent, some gave it up centuries ago. One religion conspicuously didn't," tweeted Dawkins.
"Of COURSE most Muslims are peaceful. But if someone's killed for what they drew or said or wrote, you KNOW the religion of the killers."
linky linky - http://www.christianpost.com/news/atheist-richard-dawkins-on-paris-terrorist-attack-all-religions-are-not-equally-violent-132281/ (http://www.christianpost.com/news/atheist-richard-dawkins-on-paris-terrorist-attack-all-religions-are-not-equally-violent-132281/)
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 09, 2015, 02:08:30 PM
What Richard Dawkins had to say after the France attacks -
"No, all religions are NOT equally violent. Some have never been violent, some gave it up centuries ago. One religion conspicuously didn't," tweeted Dawkins.
"Of COURSE most Muslims are peaceful. But if someone's killed for what they drew or said or wrote, you KNOW the religion of the killers."
linky linky - http://www.christianpost.com/news/atheist-richard-dawkins-on-paris-terrorist-attack-all-religions-are-not-equally-violent-132281/ (http://www.christianpost.com/news/atheist-richard-dawkins-on-paris-terrorist-attack-all-religions-are-not-equally-violent-132281/)
He's very good at stating the obvious! The so called "majority of Peace Loving Muslims, better start taking a stand for what is right. If citizens of some country were to attack us, wouldn't we hold that country responsible!
Quote from: wally on January 09, 2015, 03:03:26 PM
He's very good at stating the obvious! The so called "majority of Peace Loving Muslims, better start taking a stand for what is right. If citizens of some country were to attack us, wouldn't we hold that country responsible!
The Egyptian president has shown some courage in speaking out against the radicals. He is a lone voice in the desert though.
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 10, 2015, 05:04:48 AM
The Egyptian president has shown some courage in speaking out against the radicals. He is a lone voice in the desert though.
Watch how quickly Obama and his friends in the Muslim Brotherhood throw him under the bus!!!
Quote from: wally on January 10, 2015, 06:49:43 AM
Watch how quickly Obama and his friends in the Muslim Brotherhood throw him under the bus!!!
Hasn't Obama already done that by withholding funding from Egypt? Here we have a government that overthrew the Muslim Brotherhood and restored some semblance of stability to ME country. Stability is the last thing Obama desires.
Would it be insulting their Prophet, to point out he's guilty of rape, murder, theft and pedophilia?
Quote from: mdgiles on January 10, 2015, 10:39:07 AM
Would it be insulting their Prophet, to point out he's guilty of rape, murder, theft and pedophilia?
Would it be insulting to actual religions to mistake Islam for being one?
Allahu screws sheep.
Quote from: supsalemgr on January 10, 2015, 08:23:25 AM
Hasn't Obama already done that by withholding funding from Egypt? Here we have a government that overthrew the Muslim Brotherhood and restored some semblance of stability to ME country. Stability is the last thing Obama desires.
Very true. Chaos is a central goal of Obama. Whether in the ME, or in America (illegals-border, Ferguson, Trayvon, Garner, etc.).
He hopes that it will yield progress for non- or anti-American interests.
Quote from: wally on January 09, 2015, 06:12:47 AM
One could lift selected quotes out of the Bible that presents the justification for crusades and holy war to spead Christianity throughout the world. It would be either ignorant of stupid to think that it's a liberal narrative that most Christians do not support the Bible (or that they support every word of both the old and new testiments as being an instruction from God for them to slay the nonBelievers and subjegate the world under their control!
I do believe that it's a fact that most "Catholics" are Liberal, as are most Muslims. I'm married to a Catholic, who is also a Teacher and a member of a Teacher Union. Inspite of the stgerotypes, I can assure you that she is no Liberal!
If people believe in freedom and liberty above all else, it kind of puts God and religious teachings into a much better perspective! Our Founders believed that our rights came from God and hense were (are) unalienable and no goverment (or religious hierarcy) can take those away. Many of us in America still do believe this! The furtherence of these rights promotes Liberty; the protection of these rights ensure Justice and the free exercise of these rights ensures Freedom for all of us. One of the most basic (sacred) rights is the freedom of religion!
Christians take the old testament as a spiritual internal war with ones relationship With God, but whatever. Good Luck waiting for Islam to undergo a reformation, I guess all the innocent lives who are killed and the countries that are subverted and destroyed in the meantime are just acceptable sacrifices of that goal.
Quote from: Mountainshield on January 12, 2015, 12:14:18 AM
Christians take the old testament as a spiritual internal war with ones relationship With God, but whatever. Good Luck waiting for Islam to undergo a reformation, I guess all the innocent lives who are killed and the countries that are subverted and destroyed in the meantime are just acceptable sacrifices of that goal.
I have the answer. Conquer Islum, force conversion to Christianity, including a tax for life, accept the role of subservient at the threat of death.
Hell, its better than what they offer most Christians.
Oh, and if they refuse, stone them, then behead them. Do you think that would stop this senseless killing?
Quote from: Mountainshield on January 12, 2015, 12:14:18 AM
Christians take the old testament as a spiritual internal war with ones relationship With God, but whatever. Good Luck waiting for Islam to undergo a reformation, I guess all the innocent lives who are killed and the countries that are subverted and destroyed in the meantime are just acceptable sacrifices of that goal.
I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of modern thinking Muslims (we have many doctors, dentists, nurses etc. and there are educated Muslims throughout our society)have a similar view of the Quoran. Our Liberal Media is already pointing out David Korech was a Christian religious cult Leader, as if there is some sort of moral equivilence or the magnitude of this sort of behavior on the fringes of the Christian community is some how equivelent to that in the worldwide nation of Islam. True, we have our Christian nut cases, but they are not Terrorists trying to further the establishment of one world wide religious goverment (Caliphate) as our enemy is doing. The left doesn't like facts!
Quote from: wally on January 12, 2015, 05:59:12 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of modern thinking Muslims (we have many doctors, dentists, nurses etc. and there are educated Muslims throughout our society)have a similar view of the Quoran. Our Liberal Media is already pointing out David Korech was a Christian religious cult Leader, as if there is some sort of moral equivilence or the magnitude of this sort of behavior on the fringes of the Christian community is some how equivelent to that in the worldwide nation of Islam. True, we have our Christian nut cases, but they are not Terrorists trying to further the establishment of one world wide religious goverment (Caliphate) as our enemy is doing. The left doesn't like facts!
Some idiot on "Meet the Press" tried to equate this to the nut job that killed all those kids on that island in Norway in 2011. His reasons he said were to save Western Europe from a Muslim takeover.
Quote from: wally on January 12, 2015, 05:59:12 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of modern thinking Muslims (we have many doctors, dentists, nurses etc. and there are educated Muslims throughout our society)have a similar view of the Quoran. Our Liberal Media is already pointing out David Korech was a Christian religious cult Leader, as if there is some sort of moral equivilence or the magnitude of this sort of behavior on the fringes of the Christian community is some how equivelent to that in the worldwide nation of Islam. True, we have our Christian nut cases, but they are not Terrorists trying to further the establishment of one world wide religious goverment (Caliphate) as our enemy is doing. The left doesn't like facts!
hah, as soon as Koresh has dozens of private, inviolable (by the federal govt) mini-cities...........let me know.
You saw what the feds in America do to people who think they're sovereign, in Waco and Ruby Ridge.
France & England have actually ceded a huge # of towns / cities that are now privately run by Imams.
You'd have to be immensely stupid to compare the Koresh debacle, to the actual sovereign muslim takeover of huge pieces of europe.
Quote from: Solar on January 12, 2015, 05:22:31 AM
I have the answer. Conquer Islum, force conversion to Christianity, including a tax for life, accept the role of subservient at the threat of death.
Hell, its better than what they offer most Christians.
Oh, and if they refuse, stone them, then behead them. Do you think that would stop this senseless killing?
I've got a better answer. Tax
all religious organizations the way you would any corporation - in fact, do away with "non-profits" totally.
Quote from: Darth Fife on January 12, 2015, 08:22:42 AM
I've got a better answer. Tax all religious organizations the way you would any corporation - in fact, do away with "non-profits" totally.
It would never, ever get applied to pro-Obama churches and pastors.
They would certainly try to finagle the wording to apply to everybody but them, though.
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 12, 2015, 08:25:16 AM
It would never, ever get applied to pro-Obama churches and pastors.
They would certainly try to finagle the wording to apply to everybody but them, though.
That is only part of the equation.
Nearly all of the IRS attacks on Conservative groups have been due to their tax exempt status. If they are not tax exempt, the IRS can't hold that 501(c) status over their head like the Sword of Damocles!
If I were starting a political organization today (or a religion for that matter) no way would I file for tax exempt status.
Quote from: Darth Fife on January 12, 2015, 08:32:27 AM
That is only part of the equation.
Nearly all of the IRS attacks on Conservative groups have been due to their tax exempt status. If they are not tax exempt, the IRS can't hold that 501(c) status over their head like the Sword of Damocles!
If I were starting a political organization today (or a religion for that matter) no way would I file for tax exempt status.
Better answer would be a Fair Tax system, completely usurping govts ability to discriminate.
Quote from: Solar on January 12, 2015, 08:47:18 AM
Better answer would be a Fair Tax system, completely usurping govts ability to discriminate.
I'm with you, but I'm also realistic enough to know that ain't gonna happen. At least not in our life time.
Quote from: Darth Fife on January 12, 2015, 08:52:45 AM
I'm with you, but I'm also realistic enough to know that ain't gonna happen. At least not in our life time.
Too much power and payola in controlling the IRS, for senators and reps.
The only time fair tax will happen is when there's a revolution toward statesmen again, who simultaneously pursue term limits, dropping their royalty retirements and insurance, dropping the exemption to laws for themselves, etc.
Right now we've got about 98% skimming / scamming crooks, and 2% TP. We'd have to get a TP majority to change these various scams.
Quote from: Dori on January 12, 2015, 06:38:39 AM
Some idiot on "Meet the Press" tried to equate this to the nut job that killed all those kids on that island in Norway in 2011. His reasons he said were to save Western Europe from a Muslim takeover.
Anders Breivik killed norwegian youths and wanted to use christianity as a vehicle to start a race war, he disliked the Bible, never read it or cared for Jesus, yet the MSM says he is a christian, also nevermind the fact that he was a member of the socialist masonic lodge and gave the communist salute during his trial.
As someone close to me said, if he wanted to stop the socialists, why did he do the best possible move for them and create 69 martyrs? The reason is obvious, Anders Breivik was and is a communist all along.
Quote from: wally on January 12, 2015, 05:59:12 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of modern thinking Muslims (we have many doctors, dentists, nurses etc. and there are educated Muslims throughout our society)have a similar view of the Quoran. Our Liberal Media is already pointing out David Korech was a Christian religious cult Leader, as if there is some sort of moral equivilence or the magnitude of this sort of behavior on the fringes of the Christian community is some how equivelent to that in the worldwide nation of Islam. True, we have our Christian nut cases, but they are not Terrorists trying to further the establishment of one world wide religious goverment (Caliphate) as our enemy is doing. The left doesn't like facts!
Indeed, what you would find with "modern" muslims is that they are not religious, I have lived in Muslim majority neighbourhood for 15 years and hanged out with many muslim friends and I never once saw the pray to Allah, NOT ONCE, not even on our sleepovers. Only religious thing they did was never eat pork in general and they stuffed themselves with junk food before ramadan, that was it. So even though they are muslim as in ethnicity,they are not Muslim as in followers of Islam. So demanding expulsion of Islam does not require expulsion of muslim, we just need a better ethnic word for them as I don't sand people is civil.
As for the religious muslims that say they are against terror I would point out this article
http://www.meforum.org/2095/islams-doctrines-of-deception (http://www.meforum.org/2095/islams-doctrines-of-deception)
Quote from: Mountainshield on January 12, 2015, 10:30:48 AM
Indeed, what you would find with "modern" muslims is that they are not religious, I have lived in Muslim majority neighbourhood for 15 years and hanged out with many muslim friends and I never once saw the pray to Allah, NOT ONCE, not even on our sleepovers. Only religious thing they did was never eat pork in general and they stuffed themselves with junk food before ramadan, that was it. So even though they are muslim as in ethnicity,they are not Muslim as in followers of Islam. So demanding expulsion of Islam does not require expulsion of muslim, we just need a better ethnic word for them as I don't sand people is civil.
As for the religious muslims that say they are against terror I would point out this article
http://www.meforum.org/2095/islams-doctrines-of-deception (http://www.meforum.org/2095/islams-doctrines-of-deception)
My sister is married to an Iranian. (His entire family was placed under a sentence of death during the Muscum Revolution which overthrew the Shah). Through him, I've come to know several Muslims through the years and none of them are overly 'religious". Infact, after 9/11 he told me, "My Brother, what we first do is we must first kill all the Mullahs". In their world (the world from which he fled) it is just that simple! He absolutely hates Jimmy Carter and condems him and holds him resposnsible for what happened to his country and the Middle East!
I recall my brother-in-law telling me that when he grew up in Iran, uniformed American servicemen were everywhere. He said we all loved the Americans and wanted to be just like the Americans.
He said , if you were an American Serviceman and you came up to me on the street and did slap my face, I would ask "My Brother, how have I offended you". This is the way children were raised under the Shah! (Muscum Terrorists were executed...as a reward for giving up all the information they had about terror networkd and terrorist activities... and they did give up what they knew!!!)
Millions of Muslims suffer and tens of thousands are killed every year, because Libtards care so damn much about the "human rights" of (what amounts to a handful) of stinking Terrorists! The Middle East (and the entire world) now has to deal with much more violence than we ever did while the Shah of Iran allowed us to make Iran our Aircraft Carrier in the Middle East!
We had Iranians is our old neighborhood. I've worked with some too, but they called themselves Persians. However, I don't believe they were Muslims. One man told me he was a Christian born in Iran in a little village that mostly spoke Aramaic. Very few people can speak that language anymore.