Prediction Thread

[Solar]

Be nice if you actually responded to what I said about the issue, as opposed to your dismissive attitude.

WHO in their right mind would be FOR illegal immigration??

I would guess business owners that currently employ them, like illegal immigration.

I guess coyote's who make big bucks bringing them in, like illegal immigration.

Boarder patrol agents who ave a job, like illegal immigration.

The GOP like illegal immigration so they can bring it up each election cycle, but did very little about it during Bush years.

GOP Had the POWER to go to war but not stop illegal immigration. NOT seal that border.

8 years, 2 wars, no control of the boarder. Damn, that GOP has lied to us again!

I'd be pissed if I was a conservative and wanted this dealt with 20 years ago when REAGAN gave all those illegals amnesty!

What does that tell you?

Maybe the GOP don't really care and they just use the issue to get you guys to vote for them??


ANYWAY I digress and I know Solar like me to keep the posts more concise so you guys can follow.

But let me tell you old man, the issue of illegal immigration and Immigration in general,
is more complex than,

do I like it or not like it.

You old folks need to  Expand your horizon.  Look at problems from a different perspective!

I will help you old timer! :))

Seriously?
The Dim party, they want the votes.
The RINO are afraid of the issue out of fear of being labeled anti Mexican, or racist.
But the truth is, anyone can get a legal green card to work, you don't have to break the law, but those that do are here ILLEGALLY, I know that term is hard for you to digest, but it means they didn't follow the rules that the law abiding Mexicans did.
Its funny, were a society based on the rule of law, but the left encourages disorder to suit their agenda, ever really think about that before?

[Just_the_facts_mamm]

Seriously?
The Dim party, they want the votes.

This sounds like a Conservative talking point to me!

show me a legitimate article about the hordes of illegals getting the proper credential's to vote!
No conservative wacko blog or web site (same as you ask of me)

The RINO are afraid of the issue out of fear of being labeled anti Mexican, or racist.

This is YOUR party.
Nice to see you admit the GOP are pandering to the Hispanic and selling out the country and letting them in so they can court the Hispanic vote!

Got to love a party that panders to all, flip flops for all.

How does Mitt keep it straight?

Lets see? to this group I am pro Hispanic, to that group I and ANTI Hispanic.

No wonder the guy puts his foot in his mouth so often.

Gee, was that Bushes problem too.

He couldn't remember what group he was talking to and couldn't keep the flipping and flopping straight!

But the truth is, anyone can get a legal green card to work, you don't have to break the law, but those that do are here ILLEGALLY, I know that term is hard for you to digest, but it means they didn't follow the rules that the law abiding Mexicans did.

THIS one you are going to have to prove!
" anyone can get a legal green card to work"  prove this!

Its funny, were a society based on the rule of law, but the left encourages disorder to suit their agenda, ever really think about that before?

More conservative propaganda that YOU will have to prove to ME.

I want this bit of vomit proved.
"left encourages disorder to suit their agenda"

Shall I run it through Politifact for you?

[Solar]

This sounds like a Conservative talking point to me!

show me a legitimate article about the hordes of illegals getting the proper credential's to vote!
No conservative wacko blog or web site (same as you ask of me)

Seriously? Where have you been keeping your head, in the sand?
Amid the outrage over California Gov. Gray Davis' decision to sign legislation allowing illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses comes the stunning revelation by immigration experts that the Golden State is neither unique nor alone: 14 other states also allow illegal aliens to drive legally on their highways.  While many of those states – Alaska, Connecticut, Idaho, Louisiana, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Utah, Washington and West Virginia – have had such laws in place for some time, they have become increasingly scrutinized since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, say analysts with the Federation for American Immigration Reform.
http://www.wnd.com/2003/09/20831/
Even more...
http://www.statesman.com/news/nation/illegal-immigrants-moving-to-states-where-they-can-859065.html

This is YOUR party.
Nice to see you admit the GOP are pandering to the Hispanic and selling out the country and letting them in so they can court the Hispanic vote!

Got to love a party that panders to all, flip flops for all.

How does Mitt keep it straight?

Lets see? to this group I am pro Hispanic, to that group I and ANTI Hispanic.

No wonder the guy puts his foot in his mouth so often.

Gee, was that Bushes problem too.

He couldn't remember what group he was talking to and couldn't keep the flipping and flopping straight!

Now you see why we want the RINO out of the party?

THIS one you are going to have to prove!
" anyone can get a legal green card to work"  prove this!
More conservative propaganda that YOU will have to prove to ME.

I'll qualify that by saying all law abiding can qualify for a green card.

I want this bit of vomit proved.
"left encourages disorder to suit their agenda"

Shall I run it through Politifact for you?

Again, are you serious? Just look at the OWS crowd and compare it to the Tea party rallies...
The Dims back the OWS crowd, even though they break laws.

[Just_the_facts_mamm]

Seriously? Where have you been keeping your head, in the sand?
Amid the outrage over California Gov. Gray Davis' decision to sign legislation allowing illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses comes the stunning revelation by immigration experts that the Golden State is neither unique nor alone: 14 other states also allow illegal aliens to drive legally on their highways.  While many of those states – Alaska, Connecticut, Idaho, Louisiana, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Utah, Washington and West Virginia – have had such laws in place for some time, they have become increasingly scrutinized since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, say analysts with the Federation for American Immigration Reform.
http://www.wnd.com/2003/09/20831/
Even more...
http://www.statesman.com/news/nation/illegal-immigrants-moving-to-states-where-they-can-859065.html
Now you see why we want the RINO out of the party?
I'll qualify that by saying all law abiding can qualify for a green card.Again, are you serious? Just look at the OWS crowd and compare it to the Tea party rallies...
The Dims back the OWS crowd, even though they break laws.

2 ultra conservative foil hat sites do not PROOF make!

You still haven't proven the green card thing, YET!

I went through the green card process AND it's NOT that easy, AND I was married to a yank!

This is bull excrement unless you got a link that is NOT a right wing site full of fantasy and make believe.

AND now the OW protests that YOU claim, the ""left encourages disorder to suit their agenda".

Still unproven. Just your flapping gums still.

SO then if just saying it makes it true (cause you seem to think that is the criteria here) let me give out some truths.

The GOP are the stooges of big money.

the GOP promote "class warfare" rhetoric to further their agenda.

The GOP pretend to like brown people to get votes.

The GOP want to kill SS and throw granny out in the street!

I can go on all day. Just because I say it does not make it true.
Though I can prove some of these.

[Solar]

2 ultra conservative foil hat sites do not PROOF make!

You still haven't proven the green card thing, YET!

I went through the green card process AND it's NOT that easy, AND I was married to a yank!

This is bull excrement unless you got a link that is NOT a right wing site full of fantasy and make believe.

AND now the OW protests that YOU claim, the ""left encourages disorder to suit their agenda".

Still unproven. Just your flapping gums still.

SO then if just saying it makes it true (cause you seem to think that is the criteria here) let me give out some truths.

The GOP are the stooges of big money.

the GOP promote "class warfare" rhetoric to further their agenda.

The GOP pretend to like brown people to get votes.

The GOP want to kill SS and throw granny out in the street!

I can go on all day. Just because I say it does not make it true.
Though I can prove some of these.

Case in point, voter ID, but if you have a license, you can vote.
The left hates the idea of voter ID.
Care to tell me why?

As to the green card, it was never supposed to be easy, that was the point, jobs in this country are for the legal citizens, Not Illegals.

The fact that the obvious stares you in the face, yet you hide in denial is not my problem.
Proving my point to be true is as obvious as the sky is blue, but like the Dim party backing the entry of illegals, I see no reason to prove the sky is blue.

[Just_the_facts_mamm]

Case in point, voter ID, but if you have a license, you can vote.
The left hates the idea of voter ID.
Care to tell me why?

You have this mixed up!

Cons want everyone to get a voter ID,but they want them to have a license with photo ID to GET the voter ID or use a license as the ID to vote, period.
Many Democrats don't have a license it seems, probably the poor.
Cons see that as an advantage, so they are pushing it

That way, poor, old, and inner city dwellers who don't have a drivers license can't get the ID.
Here is one republicans thought.

One Republican has a suggestion.

"Frankly, both sides need to tone it down," says Jon Husted, Ohio's secretary of state.

Husted knows all too well what it's like not to toe the party line. He came out against, and effectively killed, a GOP-backed bill that would have required voters in his state to show photo ID.
"I don't believe you need to have a photo ID to provide for voter security," Husted says.

He told the Republican-controlled Legislature earlier this year that he would prefer no bill to one that might prevent valid voters from having their ballots count. That position earned him the title of "Ohio's Pro-Fraud Republican" in a Wall Street Journal column.

"I'm for preventing voter fraud," insists Husted. "But I'm also for the disabled Korean War veteran who doesn't drive, who doesn't have access to photo ID, having an easy access to cast that ballot because they too have earned that right."
Husted says there are other ways to verify a voter's identity, including allowing those without ID to provide the last four digits of their Social Security number.

As to the green card, it was never supposed to be easy, that was the point, jobs in this country are for the legal citizens, Not Illegals.

YOU said it was easy, that ANYONE could get one. Now you change your tune??
In post 331 you say

But the truth is, anyone can get a legal green card to work, you don't have to break the law

I said it was hard.  So your a flip flopper as well.  Is flip flopping a conservative trait??

The fact that the obvious stares you in the face, yet you hide in denial is not my problem.
Proving my point to be true is as obvious as the sky is blue, but like the Dim party backing the entry of illegals, I see no reason to prove the sky is blue.

Because you can't obviously.

But that's cool. I understand how cons work.
You people only deal in rumor and "facts" from your idles like Rush and Beck, maybe some Orielly.

Once facts are involved you fall apart.
I expect no less.

[Solar]

You have this mixed up!

Cons want everyone to get a voter ID,but they want them to have a license with photo ID to GET the voter ID or use a license as the ID to vote, period.
Many Democrats don't have a license it seems, probably the poor.
Cons see that as an advantage, so they are pushing it

That way, poor, old, and inner city dwellers who don't have a drivers license can't get the ID.

You really are turning into a worthless troll that cares nothing about reality, but posts leftists talking points as if he went to class everyday to study them.

Here is reality, they all have some form of ID, otherwise they couldn't but cigs, boos, get the electricity turned on, gas, cableTV, cell phone etc...

But then, you don't deal in the real world, you hide your head in the sand and ignore reality.

Here is one republicans thought.YOU said it was easy, that ANYONE could get one. Now you change your tune??
In post 331 you say
I said it was hard.  So your a flip flopper as well.  Is flip flopping a conservative trait??
Because you can't obviously.

How is claiming anyone can get a green card and that it was never meant to be easy is flip flopping?

But that's cool. I understand how cons work.
You people only deal in rumor and "facts" from your idles like Rush and Beck, maybe some Orielly.

Once facts are involved you fall apart.
I expect no less.

Try posting some of your own real facts, but we both know you can't because they would prove you to be nothing but a leftist drone.

You really are starting to bore me, all you do is demand proof and when given said proof, move on to another thread and play the same game.

I suggest you get serious about posting, or the members will grow weary of your nonsense and ignore you.
If you are serious about posting, post some solid facts, not talking points or opinion pieces, something you know to be factual.

[Just_the_facts_mamm]

You really are turning into a worthless troll that cares nothing about reality, but posts leftists talking points as if he went to class everyday to study them.

Said the kettle to the frying pan!
Dude this entire web site is dedicated to talking points!!

Here is reality, they all have some form of ID, otherwise they couldn't but cigs, boos, get the electricity turned on, gas, cableTV, cell phone etc...

are you so ignorant that you don't realize that MANY people do not have a drivers license or "Proper ID".
They don't need them to buy cigs or booze, since they are OLD! You live in a cave or bubble?

You really are starting to bore me, all you do is demand proof and when given said proof, move on to another thread and play the same game.

Dude, I am beginning to think you have early Alzheimer onset!

I ask for proof because you don't give any.

I suggest you get serious about posting, or the members will grow weary of your nonsense and ignore you.
If you are serious about posting, post some solid facts, not talking points or opinion pieces, something you know to be factual.

Oh, like the GDP and job growth stats that I have provided many times, that YOU just ignore and dismiss because your foil hat conservative talking heads say so??
YOU don't deal in reality!

[Solar]

Said the kettle to the frying pan!
Dude this entire web site is dedicated to talking points!!

And all subject to everyone having to prove their BS.

are you so ignorant that you don't realize that MANY people do not have a drivers license or "Proper ID".
They don't need them to buy cigs or booze, since they are OLD! You live in a cave or bubble?
Dude, I am beginning to think you have early Alzheimer onset!

You do realize most States require an ID to buy beer and that list grew in 2011 when these states passed laws requiring photo ID.
Kansas, Rhode Island, Wisconsin, Alabama, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas.
Lets not forget the push to require ID to purchase drain cleaner.
But don't dare catch a cold or have an allergic reaction, they want a photo ID for that as well.
But to put your idiotic BS to rest, if you ever go to a doctor, they will require a photo ID, or you can kiss your ass good bye, they won't treat you and if they do, forget a follow up.

Any more bright ideas?

I ask for proof because you don't give any.

Oh, like the GDP and job growth stats that I have provided many times, that YOU just ignore and dismiss because your foil hat conservative talking heads say so??
YOU don't deal in reality!

I saw no reason to embarrass you further, considering I had posted proof as well as others did, that your numbers were bogus!
Just go back and read what I posted seeing how you ignored it the first time around.

[quiller]

Why are leftists so ignorant that they do not know that most state Secretary of State offices will issue "state ID" cards FREE, if you can only rouse your lazy welfare-grabbing self to actually go there and apply for that same card?

FREE. As in, NO CHARGE.

It's the leftists who fail here, not the state governments trying to keep elections honest. The sole reason to not have or use a state ID at any election is that it allows room for voter fraud --- a Democratic Party necessity if they want to get Hussein, Lord of the TelePrompter reelected.

No ID, no vote. Done and done.

[walkstall]

Why are leftists so ignorant that they do not know that most state Secretary of State offices will issue "state ID" cards FREE, if you can only rouse your lazy welfare-grabbing self to actually go there and apply for that same card?

FREE. As in, NO CHARGE.

It's the leftists who fail here, not the state governments trying to keep elections honest. The sole reason to not have or use a state ID at any election is that it allows room for voter fraud --- a Democratic Party necessity if they want to get Hussein, Lord of the TelePrompter reelected.

No ID, no vote. Done and done.

The seem to have no problems getting  ID for food stamps or a welfair chack.

[Cryptic Bert]

The seem to have no problems getting  ID for food stamps or a welfair chack.

Not to mention Unions require ID's to vote...

[Just_the_facts_mamm]

I saw no reason to embarrass you further, considering I had posted proof as well as others did, that your numbers were bogus!
Just go back and read what I posted seeing how you ignored it the first time around.

Oh please EMBARRASS me with some data. Like you have any that proves the GDP is NOT going UP each month!!!

[Solar]

Oh please EMBARRASS me with some data. Like you have any that proves the GDP is NOT going UP each month!!!

The growth rate of the GDP is anemic at best, but lets take a look at those job numbers, shall we?
I hope this isn't above and beyond your comprehension level.

Here are some quick notes about the today's announcement of a "falling" unemployment rate.

    In the last year, the civilian population rose by 3,565,000. Yet the labor force only rose by 1,145,000. Those not in the labor force rose by 2,420,000.
    In January, the Civilian Labor Force rose by 508,000.
    In January, those "Not in Labor Force" rose by an amazing 1,177,000. If you are not in the labor force, you are not counted as unemployed.
    Participation Rate fell .3 to 63.7%, taking out a 1984 low
    Were it not for people dropping out of the labor force, the unemployment rate would be well over 11%.

Some of those labor force numbers are due to annual revisions. However, the point remains: People are dropping out of the labor force at an astounding, almost unbelievable rate, holding the unemployment rate artificially low.
http://advisorperspectives.com/dshort/guest/Shedlock-120203-Analysis-of-the-Unemployment-Rate.php

[Solar]

Oh please EMBARRASS me with some data. Like you have any that proves the GDP is NOT going UP each month!!!

So the economy will be booming before the elections?
You and only a handful of fools believe that BS, even your messiah knows better.
The anointed one knows he trashed the economy and it will take Conservative houses to fix his mess and he's counting on it so he can take credit for a recovery he had nothing to do with.