Prediction Thread

[Josie]

too much caffeine today josie?

Ehh I just hate the swirly bulbs....~ as an interior decorator I find the light they give off to be repulsive.

[Just_the_facts_mamm]

Ehh I just hate the swirly bulbs....~ as an interior decorator I find the light they give off to be repulsive.

I am not a fan of the "light" they give off either.
and the cost is a bit extreme.  they better last as long as they say.

They are pretty durable, not as fragile as an old bulb.

[Solar]

Solar, I have been around the planet twice.

lived in the poorest places on the planet, worked for the Man and seen how the "have nots' are treated by the "haves"

I have seen just how cheap a life is in the 3rd world.

Been to  Tibet and meditated with the monks, been inside a secret police dungeon in the middle east.
Been and done and seen it all.

I have lived under Scandinavian governments and it's not so bad.

Only in America do you have the ability to die in the streets poor and hungry!

AND that's the basic problem in one sentence!
America is off course all right.

LOL, I too have been around and can tell you that I'd rather die on the street than live in a dictatorship or a socialist nation that takes more than half of what you earn, which were quickly approaching.

Point is, liberalism completely goes against human nature and its struggle to compete, whether its  success or failure, it builds strength, take that away and you have a broken man.

Traveling the world decades ago, I noticed one thing, family came first, the old were respected and cared for, but in our country, libs created a system where the family can ignore the issue and let Gov deal with the problem.

The cultural decay in this country can be traced back to every liberal program, no matter how well meaning it was, it always came at a price.
Look at the Black community, all owned by the left.
As a Tea party guy all we want is a return to saner times a reversal of some of these stifling laws that grip the nation by the throat.
You on the other hand with your support of the OWS group want to give gov an even stronger grip on society, why is that?

[Solar]

Solar, I have been around the planet twice.

lived in the poorest places on the planet, worked for the Man and seen how the "have nots' are treated by the "haves"

I have seen just how cheap a life is in the 3rd world.

Been to  Tibet and meditated with the monks, been inside a secret police dungeon in the middle east.
Been and done and seen it all.

I have lived under Scandinavian governments and it's not so bad.

Only in America do you have the ability to die in the streets poor and hungry!

AND that's the basic problem in one sentence!
America is off course all right.

LOL, I too have been around and can tell you that I'd rather die on the street than live in a dictatorship a socialist nation that takes more than half of what you earn, which were quickly approaching.

Point is, liberalism completely goes against human nature and its struggle to compete, whether its  success or failure, it builds strength, take that away and you have a broken man.
Traveling the world decades ago, I noticed one thing, family came first, the old were respected and cared for, but in our country, libs created a system where the family can ignore the issue and let Gov deal with the problem.

The cultural decay in this country can be traced back to every liberal program, no matter how well meaning it was, it always came at a price.
Look at the Black community, all owned by the left.
As a Tea party guy all we want is a return to saner times a reversal of some of these stifling laws that grip the nation by the throat.
You on the other hand with your support of the OWS group want to give gov an even stronger grip on society, why is that?

[CubaLibre]

Small problem. Their population is a fraction of ours and they have a progressive tax system. Oh and they look to the US for security.

^^^This, plus all those countries radically limit immigration, the Scandinavian countries having immigration laws that border on racism.

[Just_the_facts_mamm]

^^^This, plus all those countries radically limit immigration, the Scandinavian countries having immigration laws that border on racism.

something wrong with limiting immigration? Seems like a smart idea.

We do not have limitless jobs, how are we supposed to get unemployment down if we keep accepting millions of immigrants?

We should be retraining those out of work to a skill that is now necessary in our economy.

Limiting immigration in Scandinavia is very wise, they are SMART progressives.

[Solar]

something wrong with limiting immigration? Seems like a smart idea.

We do not have limitless jobs, how are we supposed to get unemployment down if we keep accepting millions of immigrants?

We should be retraining those out of work to a skill that is now necessary in our economy.

Limiting immigration in Scandinavia is very wise, they are SMART progressives.

He didn't say it was a bad idea.
Also you are in direct opposition to the Dim party on border crossing.
And that's a good thing. :))

[Just_the_facts_mamm]

He didn't say it was a bad idea.
Also you are in direct opposition to the Dim party on border crossing.

Not true.
Obama has put MORE boots on the ground at the boarder than Bush ever did!
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jul/02/barack-obama/us-has-more-border-patrol-agents-border-mexico-eve/

this is another conservative smoke screen.

The GOP big business aspect of the party WANT the illegals to work the fields and other cheap labor needs.
Conservatives need to deal with that as opposed to whining all the time about the Dems letting them in!

IF employers DID their jobs and NOT hire illegals, this problem would be much less than it is.
Who are most business owners? GOP.

Do they care about the illegal situation. Only in a political arena.

When it comes to reality, they like to pay less for labor and illegal's help that aspect across the board.

[walkstall]

something wrong with limiting immigration? Seems like a smart idea.

We do not have limitless jobs, how are we supposed to get unemployment down if we keep accepting millions of immigrants?

We should be retraining those out of work to a skill that is now necessary in our economy.

Limiting immigration in Scandinavia is very wise, they are SMART progressives.

So where do you stand with all the millions of illegals immigrants in the U.S.?

[Solar]

Not true.
Obama has put MORE boots on the ground at the boarder than Bush ever did!
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jul/02/barack-obama/us-has-more-border-patrol-agents-border-mexico-eve/

this is another conservative smoke screen.

Yet he ties the hands of those enforcing the laws on illegal immigration.
Why do you think Southern States have taken him to court over illegals. Jan Brewer wanted to discuss it with him but he dismissed her and rudely walked away.

The GOP big business aspect of the party WANT the illegals to work the fields and other cheap labor needs.
Conservatives need to deal with that as opposed to whining all the time about the Dems letting them in!

You are partially correct, this is where a history lesson is in order, look up Bracero project of the 40s.
Both parties are to blame, but it is the left that is buying the illegal vote by trying to usurp the laws of the nation and give them drivers licenses, in turn making them eligible to vote.
Lets not forget how hospitals were told they had to treat them regardless and allow them to come here to have anchor babies, in turn allowing them to bring the entire family here.
This is not a Conservative move, it was solidly a liberal one.
IF employers DID their jobs and NOT hire illegals, this problem would be much less than it is.

Who are most business owners? GOP.

Do they care about the illegal situation. Only in a political arena.

When it comes to reality, they like to pay less for labor and illegal's help that aspect across the board.

Again, had they been restricted to agriculture, this would not be an issue, but libs changed the rules of the game.

But seriously, if we had clamped down on illegals 40 years ago, there would not be an employment issue today.
The blame belongs to Ca Dims in their effort to rally an illegal base of voters.

[CubaLibre]

something wrong with limiting immigration? Seems like a smart idea.

Nothing at all.

We do not have limitless jobs, how are we supposed to get unemployment down if we keep accepting millions of immigrants?

I don't know. You'd have to ask the "open borders" crowd, most of whom are liberal.

We should be retraining those out of work to a skill that is now necessary in our economy.

Hell of a lot smarter than paying unemployment checks ad infinitum, which is, again, a liberal policy.

Limiting immigration in Scandinavia is very wise, they are SMART progressives.

And yet the rest of the world calls us racists for wanting to put up a fence...

[Just_the_facts_mamm]

So where do you stand with all the millions of illegals immigrants in the U.S.?

This is a multi faceted issue.

Top of the list is So cal, nevada, new mexico and texas WERE spanish/Mexican territory until we "got them"

Lots of Hispanics have been here a long time.

American citizens, who were adversely affected by Jan Brewers "illegal" legislation.

There are hundreds of thousands of "white" illegals from Canada, and all over Europe, the ex russian countries.

They look like us they don't have to worry about some one tossing them in detention cause they are hispanic looking.
This is also another debate.


Here is So Cal is see hundreds of hispanic workers in tomato fields, strawberry fields.
They don't seem afraid. And that goes back 30 years. day in day out.

We also need to face facts that this labor force keeps our fresh tomatoes and strawberries cheap.

not too many Americans will not do that kind of work.
Perhaps they are part of a guest worker program

I think we should be busting the employers who are employing them.

If they know there is no way to work, why come.

Why we allow such massive LEGAL immigration when we can't employ the ones we have is a mystery to me.
We should retrain the unemployed for jobs we do have.
(but that would be government intervention)

[walkstall]

This is a multi faceted issue.

Top of the list is So cal, nevada, new mexico and texas WERE spanish/Mexican territory until we "got them"

Lots of Hispanics have been here a long time.

American citizens, who were adversely affected by Jan Brewers "illegal" legislation.

There are hundreds of thousands of "white" illegals from Canada, and all over Europe, the ex russian countries.

They look like us they don't have to worry about some one tossing them in detention cause they are hispanic looking.
This is also another debate.


Here is So Cal is see hundreds of hispanic workers in tomato fields, strawberry fields.
They don't seem afraid. And that goes back 30 years. day in day out.

We also need to face facts that this labor force keeps our fresh tomatoes and strawberries cheap.

not too many Americans will not do that kind of work.
Perhaps they are part of a guest worker program

I think we should be busting the employers who are employing them.

If they know there is no way to work, why come.

Why we allow such massive LEGAL immigration when we can't employ the ones we have is a mystery to me.
We should retrain the unemployed for jobs we do have.
(but that would be government intervention)

I did not ask for all your dancing I ask a simple question. 

So where do you stand with all the millions of illegals immigrants in the
U.S.?

Keep it sample for and old man.  You're for it or against it! 

[Just_the_facts_mamm]

I did not ask for all your dancing.  I ask a simple question. 
 
Keep it sample for and old man.  You're for it or against it!

Be nice if you actually responded to what I said about the issue, as opposed to your dismissive attitude.

WHO in their right mind would be FOR illegal immigration??

I would guess business owners that currently employ them, like illegal immigration.

I guess coyote's who make big bucks bringing them in, like illegal immigration.

Boarder patrol agents who ave a job, like illegal immigration.

The GOP like illegal immigration so they can bring it up each election cycle, but did very little about it during Bush years.

GOP Had the POWER to go to war but not stop illegal immigration. NOT seal that border.

8 years, 2 wars, no control of the boarder. Damn, that GOP has lied to us again!

I'd be pissed if I was a conservative and wanted this dealt with 20 years ago when REAGAN gave all those illegals amnesty!

What does that tell you?

Maybe the GOP don't really care and they just use the issue to get you guys to vote for them??


ANYWAY I digress and I know Solar like me to keep the posts more concise so you guys can follow.

But let me tell you old man, the issue of illegal immigration and Immigration in general,
is more complex than,

do I like it or not like it.

You old folks need to  Expand your horizon.  Look at problems from a different perspective!

I will help you old timer! :))

[walkstall]

Be nice if you actually responded to what I said about the issue, as opposed to your dismissive attitude.

WHO in their right mind would be FOR illegal immigration??


You old folks need to  Expand your horizon.  Look at problems from a different perspective!

I will help you old timer! :))

LOL just K.I.S.S 

That all I ask for  LOL  old people rock they see through all your BS