Prediction Thread

[Just_the_facts_mamm]

But you claimed bush started the loan, I said he didn't, care to back that up?

I guess we need to define the word "STARTED".
The loan application was STARTED in 2006 under the Bush administration who was hot to have a green project to point to in the 2008 election.

The MONEY was not given out until the Obama administration.

The government were also NOT the only investors in Solyandra, several hundred million came from other investment bankers, who ALSO thought it was a good idea.

Do you think there were campaign promises made to those investment bankers as well, as part of the Obama conspiracy to give kick backs to campaign contributors?

Win some lose some, that's how business works.

That's why the DOE had a "fail fund
of 2 billion set up just for the failures.

basic business practice!
No big conspiracy. No watergate, no Iran gate.

Oh wait. were those not GOP presidents who did those illegal things?

[Solar]

I guess we need to define the word "STARTED".
The loan application was STARTED in 2006 under the Bush administration who was hot to have a green project to point to in the 2008 election.

The MONEY was not given out until the Obama administration.

The government were also NOT the only investors in Solyandra, several hundred million came from other investment bankers, who ALSO thought it was a good idea.

Do you think there were campaign promises made to those investment bankers as well, as part of the Obama conspiracy to give kick backs to campaign contributors?

Win some lose some, that's how business works.

That's why the DOE had a "fail fund
of 2 billion set up just for the failures.

basic business practice!
No big conspiracy. No watergate, no Iran gate.

Oh wait. were those not GOP presidents who did those illegal things?

So your connection to this scam is that they tried to scam Bush, yet he didn't buy into it?

Why is it you libs can never see the big picture? This is a fraud perpetrated on the free world by communists/
It all goes back to the environmental movement, which ran with the fraud of AGW, then they classified Co2 as a pollutant.
This has nothing to do with RINO of the past, it has everything to do with Marxists trying to bring the free mkt to its knees.

[Just_the_facts_mamm]

So your connection to this scam is that they tried to scam Bush, yet he didn't buy into it?

Why is it you libs can never see the big picture? This is a fraud perpetrated on the free world by communists/
It all goes back to the environmental movement, which ran with the fraud of AGW, then they classified Co2 as a pollutant.
This has nothing to do with RINO of the past, it has everything to do with Marxists trying to bring the free mkt to its knees.

So green energy is a scam?

SCAM:  "a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, especially for making a quick profit; swindle. "

ever seen a solar farm? they do exist. not a scam
ever seen a wind farm? they do exist. not a scam

how is green energy a scam?

If you think Obama is a marxist, you best look that up. and communist while your at it.

tell me how green energy is a scam please.


as far a Bush not buying into it, No that is not the case but nice try on getting YOUR lib pres of the hook.

As one of my links shows you
"January 2009: In an effort to show it has done something to support renewable energy, the Bush administration tries to take Solyndra before a DOE credit review committee just one day before President Obama is inaugurated. The committee, consisting of career civil servants with financial expertise, remands the loan back to DOE because it wasn't ready for conditional commitment.

That sounds a lot like Bush trying to get it done!

[Solar]

So green energy is a scam?

SCAM:  "a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, especially for making a quick profit; swindle. "

ever seen a solar farm? they do exist. not a scam
ever seen a wind farm? they do exist. not a scam

how is green energy a scam?

If you think Obama is a marxist, you best look that up. and communist while your at it.

tell me how green energy is a scam please.

Yes, Green energy is a scam!
The Gov passed, no, the Dim Libs passed laws mandating that private utility companies buy a certain amount of so called Green energy and sell it to the public.
The scam is that Hussein's supporters got Fed grants (tax payer dollars) to build solar farms and solar manufacturing plants.

as far a Bush not buying into it, No that is not the case but nice try on getting YOUR lib pres of the hook.

As one of my links shows you
"January 2009: In an effort to show it has done something to support renewable energy, the Bush administration tries to take Solyndra before a DOE credit review committee just one day before President Obama is inaugurated. The committee, consisting of career civil servants with financial expertise, remands the loan back to DOE because it wasn't ready for conditional commitment.

That sounds a lot like Bush trying to get it done!

Wrong, Bush never granted the loan, even your own link stated as much.

But lets assume you owned a business selling plumbing supplies, the gov steps in and tells you if you want to stay in business, 15% of your inventory has to be purchased from ACORN associated manufacturers.
Is that fair? Of course not, but thats what the Dims did, they forced utilities to buy power from their libs Green buddies that donated to Hussein's campaign.

Now imagine that the plumbing supplies cost 10 times more than what your suppliers were charging, thats right, green energy is 10 times more expensive than power from coal, Ng,and nuclear.
I'm not saying solar and wind don't produce power, they just cost a hell of a lot more and for one reason, they cost far more to produce, they lose nearly half as much as they produce.

Take solar, the best cell on the mkt is only able to push at best 70% of its actual power into the grid, add to that a solar farm miles from a grid and that amount drops to half.
That's right, only half of the investment is producing usable power.
Now, take in one more factor, heat, known as resistance in the electric field, the panels get hot they lose an additional 20% of their output.

Doesn't sound like a good investment suddenly, does it?
Well it's not, it was a scam foisted on an ignorant public.

I won't even go into the cost of infrastructure to support these giant wastes of money.
Thousands of miles of power lines to allow a trickling of power from a solar farm that on a good day only produces 4 usable hours of power.
Now do you see why it was a scam?

Oh and you ask if I've ever seen a solar farm, you betcha, I design them for a living.
Any other questions?

[Just_the_facts_mamm]

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So you're a scam artist?
good to know.

[Just_the_facts_mamm]

So your connection to this scam is that they tried to scam Bush, yet he didn't buy into it?

Why is it you libs can never see the big picture? This is a fraud perpetrated on the free world by communists/
It all goes back to the environmental movement, which ran with the fraud of AGW, then they classified Co2 as a pollutant.
This has nothing to do with RINO of the past, it has everything to do with Marxists trying to bring the free mkt to its knees.

You are NOT responding to post 286!

YOU said the following
"But you claimed bush started the loan, I said he didn't, care to back that up?"

I have given you plenty of evidence to back up the claim that the LOAN PROCESS was started in 2006 and as late as 2009 BUSH was still pushing it along.
YET you give me back the same tired answer as before, totally ignoring the facts!
Obama's fault!
Need to face facts solar.

PS. You do know the whole "communist under your bed" thing is SO 1980!

[walkstall]

[quote author=Solar link=topic=3850.msg57085#msg57085 date=1328242031

Oh and you ask if I've ever seen a solar farm, you betcha, I design them for a living.
Any other questions?

So you're a scam artist?
good to know.

You will note Solar does not take hand out money from the gov, or file bankruptcy. 

[Solar]

You are NOT responding to post 286!

YOU said the following
"But you claimed bush started the loan, I said he didn't, care to back that up?"

I have given you plenty of evidence to back up the claim that the LOAN PROCESS was started in 2006 and as late as 2009 BUSH was still pushing it along.
YET you give me back the same tired answer as before, totally ignoring the facts!
Obama's fault!
Need to face facts solar.

PS. You do know the whole "communist under your bed" thing is SO 1980!

Big deal, they tried to get money from the Bush administration, but the fact remains, they failed, but succeeded with Hussein.

As to designing solar systems, I was a defense contractor and designed systems that were stand alone for the Military.
Like I stated earlier, solar has no place in generating power to the grid, it is ridiculously expensive.

As to your PM, I'm retired and have a vested interest in making this forum a success, so yes, I do spend a large amount of time here, but then most business owners never get time off.
I guess you wouldn't understand that though , would you?

And the commie threat is not so 80s as you put it, the threat is more real today than it has ever been in our history.
We have communists protesting under the guise of the OWS group, but then you probably don't see that as a threat.
The alternative energy industry was usurped by the green movement more than a decade ago, in it they found a vehicle to help cripple our output as a nation.

I gave you solid evidence that the alternative field is a complete waste of money, especially when we have a perfect viable source of cheap and clean energy in nuclear power, but it was the Dims that have blocked it at virtually every turn.Look at drilling for our own oil, again blocked at every turn, but we waste billions on alternatives.

Your team outlawed a perfectly good source of light, for what purpose?
It uses more electricity, so what, build a few nuke plants and the problem of power generation is solved.

No, the commie threat is more than real and they are hiding in plain sight in the Dim party, they just call themselves progressives.

[Just_the_facts_mamm]

As to designing solar systems, I was a defense contractor and designed systems that were stand alone for the Military.
Like I stated earlier, solar has no place in generating power to the grid, it is ridiculously expensive.

So you are part of military industrial complex. figures
If it's so inefficient wonder why solar systems are popping up on roof tops like crazy?
It's all just predatory corporations selling the public solar systems in some kind of big fraud?

We need a regulation to fix that!

As to your PM, I'm retired and have a vested interest in making this forum a success, so yes, I do spend a large amount of time here, but then most business owners never get time off.
I guess you wouldn't understand that though, would you?

retired from the military industrial complex? then you must have a pension? negotiated by a union perhaps?

I am self employed and work 24/7 (on call)

And the commie threat is not so 80s as you put it, the threat is more real today than it has ever been in our history.
We have communists protesting under the guise of the OWS group, but then you probably don't see that as a threat.
The alternative energy industry was usurped by the green movement more than a decade ago, in it they found a vehicle to help cripple our output as a nation.

So yes you do see commies under the bed!
Mark my words, the OW will shake this country later this year along with the 99%

I gave you solid evidence that the alternative field is a complete waste of money, especially when we have a perfect viable source of cheap and clean energy in nuclear power, but it was the Dims that have blocked it at virtually every turn.Look at drilling for our own oil, again blocked at every turn, but we waste billions on alternatives.

drill baby drill.
fact is we are drilling at capacity. rigs that can go deep are booked years in advance. If you're an oil worker and out of work, you are a lazy bum because oil workers are in demand.

Did you know Germany is quitting nuclear power?
http://www.pressherald.com/business/germany-stop-nuclear-power-reactors-offline-energy-risks.html

Leading the world green electricity race are 1) Iceland and 1) Norway, both generating a full 100% of their electricity from green sources -- Norway gets 99% from hydro and 1% from other renewable sources of energy; Iceland has, as many people know, a good deal of geothermal power (27%), with hydro making up the remaining 73%.

Coming in third is 3) Costa Rica, which gets 94% of its electricity from green sources: 76% hydropower and 18% from other renewable sources (largely geothermal).

Fourth place is occupied by 4) Brazil, with 87% hydropower and other renewable sources of electricity. 5) Colombia holds down fifth place with 80% renewable electricity (all but 1%, again, hydropower).

Your team outlawed a perfectly good source of light, for what purpose?
It uses more electricity, so what, build a few nuke plants and the problem of power generation is solved.

you ignore the waste product generated that we still don't know what to do with. That's radioactive and dangerous for thousands of years.
Our great, great, great, great, great, grand kids can worry about that. why should we care.

and when the oil runs out, HOPEFULLY they will have invented a substitute for oil.

YOU are aware of how many things are made from oil that is NOT used for our cars!

You ignore what happened in japan.

You ignore the fact that these plants are completely un-insurable and if they go critical, we the people are responsible for the damages which could make large parts of the country uninhabitable.
\We have these things called earthquakes, they break Nuke plants!

wonder why Germany is stopping nuke plants?

No, the commie threat is more than real and they are hiding in plain sight in the Dim party, they just call themselves progressives.

Got news for you, just because we like socialist policies does not equate to communism.
Communism is what the right likes to brand anything they want to vilify!

old tactic.  shows your age.. you a cold war warrior?

Reagan tripled the national debt chasing THAT paper tiger. Good job conservatives!

STAR wars! what a joke. We spent how much?? you got to be proud of that.

AND like Russia could have EVER done anything?  they could barely feed themselves, let alone take over the world!
So much for intelligence gathering. or perhaps it was just the military wanting to keep the money flowing to them.

[Just_the_facts_mamm]

Your team outlawed a perfectly good source of light, for what purpose?

I just have to know what you mean by this?

certainly you are not talking about the CFL thing?

[Josie]

I just have to know what you mean by this?

certainly you are not talking about the CFL thing?

Why do Democrats always feel the need to fix shit that isn't broken?
The swirly mercury filled hazmat bulbs can't possibly be any better for the planet so what is the point, just to feel like they are doing something?

[Just_the_facts_mamm]

Why do Democrats always feel the need to fix shit that isn't broken?
The swirly mercury filled hazmat bulbs can't possibly be any better for the planet so what is the point, just to feel like they are doing something?

First off Solar has not said it was CFL's he was talking about.
Maybe "the source of light" is a TV show or some cool weapon system the Military dreams up to waste money like "Star wars"
i will wait and see.

BUT
You see the liberals don't think it's such a good idea to WASTE things, like energy.
CFL's use a lot less energy to do the same work.
SO, we have to build LESS power plants, so we pollute less
(I know conservatives don't give a crap about pollution)

In spite of that,  president BUSH ordered the change to CFL's, Josie!

[Josie]

First off Solar has not said it was CFL's he was talking about.
Maybe "the source of light" is a TV show or some cool weapon system the Military dreams up to waste money like "Star wars"
i will wait and see.

BUT
You see the liberals don't think it's such a good idea to WASTE things, like energy.
CFL's use a lot less energy to do the same work.
SO, we have to build LESS power plants, so we pollute less
(I know conservatives don't give a crap about pollution)

In spite of that,  president BUSH ordered the change to CFL's, Josie!

Mmm-ok you got me there...He very well could have been talking about disco balls or strobe lights idk but for you to say that liberals don't like to waste energy is something I giggle at.... ~ think about it, you buy the swirly bulb, it falls on the floor as you are trying to screw it in.... you go get your hazmat suit, put the kids outside so they dont accidently breathe or touch the mercury... you clean it up, but you don't throw it away in your own trash-can,... no of course not, you are supposed to take it to your local fix-it store and they somehow dispose of it....but how do you get to your fix=it store... probably in a car... what does your car run off of? Probably gas or coal, so now you are wasteing time, money and energy to dispose of your deadly bulb... what I wonder is, what does home depot do with the bulb, does it go into a landfill where it goes into a big hole in the earth, or what?....
and why oh why would I want to buy an EV to "fix the planet".... what kind of energy does it take to charge my battery... coal? Didnt Obama say that coal is bbaaaddd and he will make the price go up to punish us for using it? and what do they do with those car batteries when the car goes bad do they go into a landfill too? That can't be good for the earth :/

[Just_the_facts_mamm]

Mmm-ok you got me there...He very well could have been talking about disco balls or strobe lights idk but for you to say that liberals don't like to waste energy is something I giggle at.... ~ think about it, you buy the swirly bulb, it falls on the floor as you are trying to screw it in.... you go get your hazmat suit, put the kids outside so they dont accidently breathe or touch the mercury... you clean it up, but you don't throw it away in your own trash-can,... no of course not, you are supposed to take it to your local fix-it store and they somehow dispose of it....but how do you get to your fix=it store... probably in a car... what does your car run off of? Probably gas or coal, so now you are wasteing time, money and energy to dispose of your deadly bulb... what I wonder is, what does home depot do with the bulb, does it go into a landfill where it goes into a big hole in the earth, or what?....
and why oh why would I want to buy an EV to "fix the planet".... what kind of energy does it take to charge my battery... coal? Didnt Obama say that coal is bbaaaddd and he will make the price go up to punish us for using it? and what do they do with those car batteries when the car goes bad do they go into a landfill too? That can't be good for the earth :/

too much caffeine today josie?

I agree! Living in an environmentally positive way does require commitment that conservatives are not yet ready to deal with.

Liberals are always thinking about the future and our children's children. Like what are they going to breath and how clean is the water going to be IF we let them (environmentally challenged humans) continue in this manner.

[CubaLibre]

Got news for you, just because we like socialist policies does not equate to communism.
Communism is what the right likes to brand anything they want to vilify!

Where have Socialist policies worked? Europe? Last I checked the Eurozone's sinking faster than the Lusitania. Latin America? Sure, if you like being run by a bunch of thugs with a Peron complex.

Elaborate your argument.