The election is over and we have taken all three Houses.
The economy is making a sudden recovery and the left is claiming it was because of Hussein's stimulus packages.
I wanted to get this said because I want to be able to pull this back up in 2012 the first time a lib makes such a stupid claim, because we all know as it stands, there is no way in Hell that we can possibly recover using any of his misguided plans.
We are for a lack of a better term, in a depression, not a damn slow recovery as the MSM likes to claim.
Now for the predictions, but rather questions.
Will the EPA take a heavy hit, will ethanol subsidies get cut, will they gut Hussein care, will alternative energy take a huge hit? etc...etc...etc...
Feel free to add anything you think will happen, or not happen.
I will be putting this in the library for retrieval at a later date, after we kick ass! 8)
Quote from: Solar on August 30, 2011, 06:29:19 PM
The election is over and we have taken all three Houses.
The economy is making a sudden recovery and the left is claiming it was because of Hussein's stimulus packages.
I wanted to get this said because I want to be able to pull this back up in 2012 the first time a lib makes such a stupid claim, because we all know as it stands, there is no way in Hell that we can possibly recover using any of his misguided plans.
We are for a lack of a better term, in a depression, not a damn slow recovery as the MSM likes to claim.
Now for the predictions, but rather questions.
Will the EPA take a heavy hit, will ethanol subsidies get cut, will they gut Hussein care, will alternative energy take a huge hit? etc...etc...etc...
Feel free to add anything you think will happen, or not happen.
I will be putting this in the library for retrieval at a later date, after we kick ass! 8)
Should we list what we wish to happen - that might be easier....for me. :)
My prediction:
The House loses 4 GOP seats, but is still in GOP control. The Senate switches as well, with 3 seats changing, giving Senate Majority Leader McConnell a 1 vote majority. But President Obama still hangs in there, with some election "irregularities" in a few key places that ultimately left him in the White House, narrowly defeating a Perry/Cain ticket.
Quote from: Solar on August 30, 2011, 06:29:19 PM
The election is over and we have taken all three Houses.
The economy is making a sudden recovery and the left is claiming it was because of Hussein's stimulus packages.
I wanted to get this said because I want to be able to pull this back up in 2012 the first time a lib makes such a stupid claim, because we all know as it stands, there is no way in Hell that we can possibly recover using any of his misguided plans.
We are for a lack of a better term, in a depression, not a damn slow recovery as the MSM likes to claim.
Now for the predictions, but rather questions.
Will the EPA take a heavy hit, will ethanol subsidies get cut, will they gut Hussein care, will alternative energy take a huge hit? etc...etc...etc...
Feel free to add anything you think will happen, or not happen.
I will be putting this in the library for retrieval at a later date, after we kick ass! 8)
Well there will have to be a gutting of the governments power. Note I said gutting. I don't think they will have the goolies to eliminate departments.
I also think 2013 will be a very bad year. The narrative will that Obama lost because we are all racist. Match that with how bad the Obama administration has further destroyed the black community and we have the makings of a very violent year. The anger and frustration will boil over.
Taxes will be cut and the system will be streamlined. I see the GOP leaving the Democrats behind because the GOP will institute polices that will spur growth and the Democrats will demonize and whine. But as jobs are created the public will ignore the Democrats.
"Professor Krueger" is known for his 1990s academic research that attempted to prove that employee wages werent subject to the laws of supply and demand.... He is clearly out of touch with reality.
Mysteriously there will be some scandal or family problem involving obama and he wont be able to accept another term.... Hillary will then step in and accept her parties nomination.
Quote from: AmericanMom on August 30, 2011, 07:57:10 PM
Mysteriously there will be some scandal or family problem involving obama and he wont be able to accept another term.... Hillary will then step in and accept her parties nomination.
And there are so many scandals to choose from...
Quote from: ? on August 30, 2011, 07:59:37 PM
And there are so many scandals to choose from...
Oh yes, and the media will suddenly be very curious about obamas background...I predict between December to the end of January
Wouldn't it be fun to watch the Clinton political machine roll over the Obama political machine and both be left smoldering in the ashes in the aftermath?
We (I got a mouse in my pocket again) squeek thru with our candidate in the WH, We hang on to that which we control now on capitol hill, that which we do not is about a toss up. these defeats trigger mass civil disobediance, Libs are going nuts, cities are ablaze.
The economy still sluggish and will be for a few years, due to the fact that it is fkd beyond repair by the current regime. More screaming outrage from the libs, more rioting and unrest.
Billy
I think that even if we win -- that is, if conservatives win -- there is still a long way to go. There will be victory in the Senate, but still the Senate will be largely controlled by non-conservatives. The House outlook is better, but there will still be hills to climb there.
The Administration is the real wild card. As things stand right now, Perry is the closest thing to a conservative that has a real chance. I know you don't like him, Solar, but "RINO" is not a label that sticks to him very well. He falls far short of perfection for me too, but he's ELECTABLE and he's CONSERVATIVE in a great many ways that count a LOT right now. I stuck my neck out a while back and told y'all that Rick Perry will be the next president. I haven't changed my mind at all.
Getting back to the subject, the primary goal in 2012 is the elimination of the Dem majorities, wherever they exist, and the extension of conservative representation. The next step is the reformation of the administrative agencies, and this can and should include the option of eliminating them altogether. This reformation/elimination campaign will require conservative leadership of a MUCH higher caliber than what is likely to be installed in 2012/2013.
The next election is likely to go our way, but it's not too soon to consider what's going to happen in 2014 and 2016.
I predict Bert will turn "Pants Free Fridays" into a national weekly holiday.
Quote from: AmericanMom on August 30, 2011, 07:57:10 PM
Mysteriously there will be some scandal or family problem involving obama and he wont be able to accept another term.... Hillary will then step in and accept her parties nomination.
How about, Obama dumps Biden as his Vice-Pres, and picks Hilary? Then about 2-6 months into his second term the Fast and Furious investigation blows up in Obama's face and his former lap dog media starts demanding, "What did Obama know and when did he know it?"
He resigns before the end of the first year of his second term and Hilary becomes president. This would enable her to eventually run for re-election as an incumbent - a big advantage in 2016. If she picks the right vice-pres running mate, the Democrats could possibly hold on to the White House in to the mid 2020s!
- Dr Watt
Quote from: Dan on September 01, 2011, 05:22:09 PM
I predict Bert will turn "Pants Free Fridays" into a national weekly holiday.
The modern style!
Quote from: republicans2 on August 31, 2011, 12:20:16 AM
Wouldn't it be fun to watch the Clinton political machine roll over the Obama political machine and both be left smoldering in the ashes in the aftermath?
When it comes to Bubba versus Obama, I'd put my money on Bubba. Too many of Obama's early advice came from Clinton and the tenacles of their machine still are around inside the Obama cadre.
The fun part would be the Donks trying to rig 2012 like they did in 2008 when they split away half of Hillary's votes in Michigan and Florida, and handed them to the same Kenyan who wasn't even on the ballot in those states. It just isn't possible or believable that they even KNOW how to run an honest election.
Quote from: Dan on September 01, 2011, 05:22:09 PM
I predict Bert will turn "Pants Free Fridays" into a national weekly holiday.
Wait, it's already not? I guess that explains the weird looks I get each week...
I predict a lot of crow will be eaten during 2013. So much that I am going to stock up on the stuff. I'll probably eat some, too, but anybody that thinks the TEA Party is going to take the House, the Senate, and the White House is going to be GORGING on it.
Quote from: elmerfudd on September 05, 2011, 05:04:53 PM
I predict a lot of crow will be eaten during 2013. So much that I am going to stock up on the stuff. I'll probably eat some, too, but anybody that thinks the TEA Party is going to take the House, the Senate, and the White House is going to be GORGING on it.
Please expand on your ideas, like who do you think will win, or lose...badly?
Quote from: Solar on September 05, 2011, 05:13:31 PM
Please expand on your ideas, like who do you think will win, or lose...badly?
I don't know. I hope the Republicans find a more credible candidate than someone like Palin, though. I think the TEA Party has had some positive influence, but it is not, as it presently exists, capable of taking the House, the Senate, OR the White House, let alone all three. It's too shallow, too "black and white" if you will. And I doubt your, or anybody else's, crystal ball is any better than mine. But we'll see. You've put it in black and white and promised to hang on to it, and I believe you will. I might not still be posting here, but somebody will be I feel sure.
I predict the civil war threads will never end.
Quote from: elmerfudd on September 05, 2011, 05:17:30 PM
I don't know. I hope the Republicans find a more credible candidate than someone like Palin, though. I think the TEA Party has had some positive influence, but it is not, as it presently exists, capable of taking the House, the Senate, OR the White House, let alone all three. It's too shallow, too "black and white" if you will. And I doubt your, or anybody else's, crystal ball is any better than mine. But we'll see. You've put it in black and white and promised to hang on to it, and I believe you will. I might not still be posting here, but somebody will be I feel sure.
I don't think I said the Tea party will capture all three houses, but rather the GOP will.
If I did, that was not what I meant.
Quote from: Harry on September 05, 2011, 05:24:23 PM
I predict the civil war threads will never end.
That one I can buy into. Don't need a crystal ball for that. Once again you and I have agreed on something! Bring on the grapefruit juice!
Quote from: elmerfudd on September 05, 2011, 05:26:37 PM
That one I can buy into. Don't need a crystal ball for that. Once again you and I have agreed on something! Bring on the grapefruit juice!
:)) :)) :))
Only if it's fresh squeezed. ;)
Quote from: Solar on September 05, 2011, 05:26:10 PM
I don't think I said the Tea party will capture all three houses, but rather the GOP will.
If I did, that was not what I meant.
I wondered if you meant it when you said "we" would take all that and "we" means the TEA party.
You might be right about the GOP taking all three, but I wouldn't bet that way if it was me. I would bet two out of the three at best. Which two, I dunno. They already have the House, but it's not like most people are happy with things. When they're unhappy, they want CHANGE. Change would be pubs take the Senate and White House and dims take the House.
But my prediction is the dims will have at least one of the three. Which I think is good. George Will said it best: "Gridlock is not an American problem. It is an American achievement. Of the 6 billion people (or whatever it was when he said it) on this planet, at least 5.5 billion would be better off if they lived in countries with governments subject to such gridlock."
Quote from: Solar on September 05, 2011, 05:30:34 PM
:)) :)) :))
Only if it's fresh squeezed. ;)
And I see it being squeezed. I'm a real health nut. When I smoked a pipe, I insisted on organically grown tobacco, too. ;)
Quote from: elmerfudd on September 05, 2011, 05:33:19 PM
And I see it being squeezed. I'm a real health nut. When I smoked a pipe, I insisted on organically grown tobacco, too. ;)
I partake in cigars and all come from South America, and really don't care if they are grown in cow shit or pig shit, as long as they taste good. :))
Quote from: Solar on September 05, 2011, 06:09:03 PM
I partake in cigars and all come from South America, and really don't care if they are grown in cow shit or pig shit, as long as they taste good. :))
A good cigar is a good thing, to be sure. But pipes, to me, are je ne sais quois of baccer use. If I live long enough, I'm going to start again. I still have all my pipes. I play with them periodically and reminisce about the good old days. But I wouldn't smoke a cigarette, any kind of cigarette, if you held a gun to my head. Well, maybe if you held a gun to my head.
Quote from: elmerfudd on September 05, 2011, 06:15:56 PM
A good cigar is a good thing, to be sure. But pipes, to me, are je ne sais quois of baccer use. If I live long enough, I'm going to start again. I still have all my pipes. I play with them periodically and reminisce about the good old days. But I wouldn't smoke a cigarette, any kind of cigarette, if you held a gun to my head. Well, maybe if you held a gun to my head.
I have pipes as well, and partake regularly, but I just love a good cigar, I have my favorites, but $10 a pop isn't for everyday use, so I burn the cheaper ones and when I get tired of them, out comes the pipe but a 15 minute burn doesn't compare to an hour and a half bur on a Monte Christo or a PDR, one of my weaknesses.
Ahhhh sigh, I think I'll burn one now. :)
Quote from: Solar on September 05, 2011, 10:14:53 PM
I have pipes as well, and partake regularly, but I just love a good cigar, I have my favorites, but $10 a pop isn't for everyday use, so I burn the cheaper ones and when I get tired of them, out comes the pipe but a 15 minute burn doesn't compare to an hour and a half bur on a Monte Christo or a PDR, one of my weaknesses.
Ahhhh sigh, I think I'll burn one now. :)
I am jealous right now.
Quote from: taxed on September 05, 2011, 10:15:46 PM
I am jealous right now.
:))
Don't be, it's my last Monte, after this, I have to fork over a couple hundred for a box of 15. :'(
Quote from: Solar on September 05, 2011, 10:19:09 PM
:))
Don't be, it's my last Monte, after this, I have to fork over a couple hundred for a box of 15. :'(
I get a box of Cohibas for $150... My friend flies them straight in, but, he changes his number every month, and I have to go through hell and back to find it... so, I'm all out :-(
Quote from: taxed on September 05, 2011, 10:24:09 PM
I get a box of Cohibas for $150... My friend flies them straight in, but, he changes his number every month, and I have to go through hell and back to find it... so, I'm all out :-(
I like Cohibas, burned one yesterday, I get samplers all the time and they always throw a couple in, but my only issue with samplers is assorted sizes, I only buy Churchills, generally 6 or 7 x 50 or 56 ring size.
Damn near burns two hours.
Quote from: Solar on September 05, 2011, 10:27:59 PM
I like Cohibas, burned one yesterday, I get samplers all the time and they always throw a couple in, but my only issue with samplers is assorted sizes, I only buy Churchills, generally 6 or 7 x 50 or 56 ring size.
Damn near burns two hours.
You get them for free??? DAMN!!!
Quote from: taxed on September 05, 2011, 10:28:33 PM
You get them for free??? DAMN!!!
:)) :)) :))
Oh Hell no, I belong to a couple of clubs at $20 a month, but it's worth it, you get at least one cigar worth that much in every order.
Quote from: Solar on September 05, 2011, 10:34:14 PM
:)) :)) :))
Oh Hell no, I belong to a couple of clubs at $20 a month, but it's worth it, you get at least one cigar worth that much in every order.
Gotcha...
Quote from: Solar on September 05, 2011, 10:14:53 PM
I have pipes as well, and partake regularly, but I just love a good cigar, I have my favorites, but $10 a pop isn't for everyday use, so I burn the cheaper ones and when I get tired of them, out comes the pipe but a 15 minute burn doesn't compare to an hour and a half bur on a Monte Christo or a PDR, one of my weaknesses.
Ahhhh sigh, I think I'll burn one now. :)
I am too cheap to pay $10 for something I plan on burning up. But I always got more than 15 minutes out of a pipe, too. Always 30 at least, frequently 45, and I have one big 'un that would go an hour and a half. But I never really wanted to smoke for more than 30 minutes at a time.
A guy once tole me he would never hire anybody that smoked a pipe because anybody that smoked a pipe already had a full time job. And he had a valid point.
Quote from: elmerfudd on September 06, 2011, 06:16:58 AM
I am too cheap to pay $10 for something I plan on burning up. But I always got more than 15 minutes out of a pipe, too. Always 30 at least, frequently 45, and I have one big 'un that would go an hour and a half. But I never really wanted to smoke for more than 30 minutes at a time.
A guy once tole me he would never hire anybody that smoked a pipe because anybody that smoked a pipe already had a full time job. And he had a valid point.
:)) :)) :)) :))
He's right, that's why I never packed mine more, my jaw would get sore from holding it more than 15 minutes.
Besides, it's hard to type and smoke a pipe, mine are quite heavy.
But the downside to cigars and forums is. you get so involved in a conversation, that the next thing you know, you have 3' of ashes laying across your keyboard.
Gotta remember to set it down on occasion. :-[
Quote from: Solar on September 06, 2011, 06:24:26 AM
:)) :)) :)) :))
He's right, that's why I never packed mine more, my jaw would get sore from holding it more than 15 minutes.
Besides, it's hard to type and smoke a pipe, mine are quite heavy.
But the downside to cigars and forums is. you get so involved in a conversation, that the next thing you know, you have 3' of ashes laying across your keyboard.
Gotta remember to set it down on occasion. :-[
I NEVER left the thing in my mouth for anything longer than maybe a minute. Part of the pleasure is holding the thing and waving it around. Occasionally putting it down.
Quote from: elmerfudd on September 06, 2011, 06:38:32 AM
I NEVER left the thing in my mouth for anything longer than maybe a minute. Part of the pleasure is holding the thing and waving it around. Occasionally putting it down.
You actually set it down? What a novel concept. :))
I never let my fingers leave the keyboard long enough for that..
Quote from: Solar on September 06, 2011, 06:53:49 AM
You actually set it down? What a novel concept. :))
I never let my fingers leave the keyboard long enough for that..
I don't smoke indoors. Stinks up the place. I also, apparently, don't spend as much time on the keyboard as you do.
Quote from: elmerfudd on September 06, 2011, 07:07:14 AM
I don't smoke indoors. Stinks up the place. I also, apparently, don't spend as much time on the keyboard as you do.
Retired, do as I please and this tends to pleas me. :))
Quote from: Solar on September 06, 2011, 07:08:54 AM
Retired, do as I please and this tends to pleas me. :))
It is kind of fun.
Quote from: elmerfudd on September 06, 2011, 07:07:14 AM
I don't smoke indoors. Stinks up the place. I also, apparently, don't spend as much time on the keyboard as you do.
It's always funny to me how a smoker is concerned about the interior of their home, or car, but not their lungs. Too funny...
Quote from: taxed on September 06, 2011, 09:38:46 AM
It's always funny to me how a smoker is concerned about the interior of their home, or car, but not their lungs. Too funny...
I didn't care about the interior of my home or my car any more than I do my lungs. In fact, I smoked in my car when I was the only one in there or the others were also smokers. But I did care about others. If I had lived alone, I would have smoked in my home, too. But I don't. And smoking indoors does definitely stink up the place.
It's also possible to enjoy smoking pipes and cigars without damaging your lungs any more than second hand smoke does, and there's debate about that. Not so with cigarettes. If you don't inhale the cigarette smoke, you may as well not bother. They either have no taste or they taste bad, and the only thing you get out of it is the addictive buzz.
My gandmother died from emphasema. My grandfather, a doctor, had half a lung taken out due to lung cancer and kept smoking. My father died of bladder cancer that quite possibly could be attributed to both his smoking earlier in life and his later use of smokeless tobacco.
So I equate smoking with death and more specifically tobacco with death. Not saying that is how it goes for everyone but I am pretty sure my genes aren't made for smoking.
Quote from: Dan on September 06, 2011, 09:54:14 AM
My gandmother died from emphasema. My grandfather, a doctor, had half a lung taken out due to lung cancer and kept smoking. My father died of bladder cancer that quite possibly could be attributed to both his smoking earlier in life and his later use of smokeless tobacco.
So I equate smoking with death and more specifically tobacco with death. Not saying that is how it goes for everyone but I am pretty sure my genes aren't made for smoking.
There is definitely no good thing associated with tobacco use. You're genetically blessed.
Quote from: elmerfudd on September 06, 2011, 10:45:50 AM
There is definitely no good thing associated with tobacco use. You're genetically blessed.
Nope. Just smart enough to be able to learn from other people's mistakes. ;)
Based on my family history I shouldn't smoke or drink to excess. So I don't. When you watch someone you dearly love die from emphasema or cancer then it leaves a mark on you and it makes these kinds of choices a lot easier.
Not saying what anyone else should do. Just explaining why I think the way I do and why I make the personal choices I make regarding this stuff.
Unless I am being forced to take financial responsiblity for your healthcare, then your personal choices aren't any of my concern.
Quote from: Dan on September 06, 2011, 11:58:45 AM
Nope. Just smart enough to be able to learn from other people's mistakes. ;)
Based on my family history I shouldn't smoke or drink to excess. So I don't. When you watch someone you dearly love die from emphasema or cancer then it leaves a mark on you and it makes these kinds of choices a lot easier.
Not saying what anyone else should do. Just explaining why I think the way I do and why I make the personal choices I make regarding this stuff.
Unless I am being forced to take financial responsiblity for your healthcare, then your personal choices aren't any of my concern.
But you are being forced to pay for others' healthcare. Even without medicare and medicaid you would be. People show up in hospital emergency rooms all the time with no insurance, no nothing. They get treated because it's the law. Paying patients pay for that. Just like shoppers pay for shoplifting. A fellow who overeats and ends up weighing 550 pounds and develops life threatening diabetes and heart disease as a result but has no ability to pay for his own care is going to get at least some care until he dies, and your (and my) dime will help cover it.
Quote from: elmerfudd on September 06, 2011, 01:30:39 PM
But you are being forced to pay for others' healthcare. Even without medicare and medicaid you would be. People show up in hospital emergency rooms all the time with no insurance, no nothing. They get treated because it's the law. Paying patients pay for that. Just like shoppers pay for shoplifting. A fellow who overeats and ends up weighing 550 pounds and develops life threatening diabetes and heart disease as a result but has no ability to pay for his own care is going to get at least some care until he dies, and your (and my) dime will help cover it.
I know. I was trying to be sarcastic. I guess sometimes sarcasm isn't easy to pick up online where you can't hear tone of voice or see facial expressions. But I was saying that bit before about taking financial responsiblity for others with my tongue planeted firmly in my cheek.
Quote from: Dan on September 06, 2011, 09:54:14 AM
My gandmother died from emphasema. My grandfather, a doctor, had half a lung taken out due to lung cancer and kept smoking. My father died of bladder cancer that quite possibly could be attributed to both his smoking earlier in life and his later use of smokeless tobacco.
So I equate smoking with death and more specifically tobacco with death. Not saying that is how it goes for everyone but I am pretty sure my genes aren't made for smoking.
As a paramedic, a majority of my calls were related to smoking. It was heartbreaking and disturbing. So much preventable suffering. I would never wish a smoker's death upon anyone.
Well this thread's certainly drifted a bit but since I'm not a smoker but despise tobacco Nazis I'm just going to ignore all the tobacco talk and make predictions.
Republican majority expands in the House and the Republicans take over in the Senate. I'd like to think the White House will fall to the Republican candidate but that race is too dependent on factors which are entirely unpredictable.
Who would have thought a seasoned pro like Pa Bush, the incumbent, couldn't handle a challenger like Bill Clinton? But between Clinton's adroitness and Pa Bush's presidential pose of being above the hurly-burly of political campaigning Clinton won. I would've given odds against that outcome.
And Elmer? It's not the Tea Party but the Tea Party movement.
The former's a third party which in the midterms the Democrats had hoped to fan into a real, third party to help undermine the Republican push. Against all probability the Tea Party movement never coalesced into a third party somewhat to my surprise.
The latter is a sentiment with a label affixed to it which has resisted the self-important conceit of forming a third party and thus undermining the principles which drew them together. Like I wrote above, somewhat to my surprise.
My feeling is that the Tea Party movement represents a sentiment that's been building in strength for some time and finally grew strong enough and focused enough to require a name. That sentiment saw off the likes of Arlen Specter and other RINOs who were no longer representative but had hung on due to the advantages of incumbency.
Lefties, quite understandably, were happy to offer advice about the inadvisability of giving in to the rightward movement demanded by the sentiment that's come to be called the Tea Party movement and old-hand Republicans who came to their political maturity when it was tough to be anything other then a RINO were happy to listen. It was the performance of Tea Party-inspired candidates in the midterms that changed all that because like I've written before, in politics success is the just about the only factor that matters. The Tea Party movement was successful electing candidates so room had to be made at the table.
And just to rub salt in the wound, I don't think the Tea Party movement has achieved its full measure yet. Ron Paul's continued strength in polls suggests strongly that there's still more then a little way left to go before the Tea Party movement starts to become satisfied with the state of the nation.
Republicans will take the senate, expand their lead in the house and win tye presidency. Obama is damaged goods. Obama is a 1 term president. The economy has ended his political career.
I'm laying up a good supply of crow. If I have to eat it all, so be it. But if you need a source, give me a ring.
Quote from: elmerfudd on September 08, 2011, 06:27:59 AM
I'm laying up a good supply of crow. If I have to eat it all, so be it. But if you need a source, give me a ring.
Ask yourself why you care so much about razzing people 18 months from now. ;)
Elmer, if you think we aren't razzing you enough NOW, then we'd be pleased to pick up our pace, to while-away those 18 months until Obama's certain defeat.
Quote from: quiller on September 08, 2011, 10:04:27 AM
Elmer, if you think we aren't razzing you enough NOW, then we'd be pleased to pick up our pace, to while-away those 18 months until Obama's certain defeat.
Knock yourself out.
How could Obama win? He can't..
I've been really busy. Storms, power outages and then my Computer died. Right now I pecking on a 2002 antique I had.
Predicting the future at this point is very chancy?
The zero jobs this month was not good. Traditionally there are some holiday temp hires, but the Libs have cut Xmas in half.
I think the big question is the AAA+ downgrade with S&P threatening another downgrade in Nov. That's where Obama's promise of shovel ready may come true. Shoveling out economy off the cliff.
If that happens the Cost of everything goes up some. China could dump Treasuries if we see any Govt. recognized acknowledged inflation. Their investment becomes a drag and money loss. I think our dollar has already lost $ .18 in the last two years during the majestic reign of scarecrow Ob.
There is (-) zero outlook for the home market for the next year. With the promised 2000 new tyrannical regulations OB and his WH asylum are trying to pass - some through the EPA, FCC, Energy and Health Care, Consumer Safety etc: all serious job killers the future looks black economically.
Sep 11 is coming and the question for me is. will some Islamic entrepreneurs try to spontaneously contribute to getting an early pass to the land of 72 Virgin boys and girls. There have been dozens of attempts in the past year - most of which the Media / Press has either totally ignored or barely reported and neglected to say Muslims were the perps. Wasn't it made official the word Terrorist has been banned from the US language?
Although Blacks have been toe stepping for the Democrats for the last 40 years, I think there are many disaffected blacks that are starting to realize the Democrat / Progressive party is a lifelong sentence to mediocrity and failure. I think the coming election could register a sizable number of Blacks voting against the D - P.
I think it's far too early to crown Perry the defacto candidate.
I think it's (gladly) impossible for R Paul to become the anointed one.
If Sareh P runs all bets are off.
The Media / Press still hasn't attempted to eviscerate or neuter Perry and I believe they will.
I don''t like Perry because of his long time Democrat affiliation, he voted for nut bag Gore, he voted against the Arizona Immigration bill and he is in bed with the Islamists in Texas schools. While Perry has been a successful Gov. it isn't all roses.
I think were going to have another recession as if it could get worse!
I would carry signs and ring doorbells for Bachman or Palin.
The main thing is scarecrow Obama and as many Democrats as possible are out.
I don't think it is going to be a good election for D - P anywhere.
My prediction is...
obama wins unfortunately :-X because its hard to unseat a president.
I believe that gop control maintains in the house and the gop takes the senate :))
I personally am not a fan of one party controlling everything, although we may need that after this current douche bag
I predict Hussein will have monstrous trouble getting funding in a GOP congress for any "Presidential Library" project --- or demands for his entire birth and academic records, in order to qualify for those funds.
Quote from: Gunner on September 09, 2011, 05:08:12 PM
My prediction is...
obama wins unfortunately :-X because its hard to unseat a president.
I believe that gop control maintains in the house and the gop takes the senate :))
I personally am not a fan of one party controlling everything, although we may need that after this current douche bag
Bush the first thought so, too. So did the real dims. That's why they let Clinton "take one for the team." Or so they thought.
I am not a fan of one party having it all, either. I don't think it's ever a good thing. George Will doesn't, either, and he definitely ain't no lib.
Quote from: quiller on September 10, 2011, 09:12:21 AM
I predict Hussein will have monstrous trouble getting funding in a GOP congress for any "Presidential Library" project --- or demands for his entire birth and academic records, in order to qualify for those funds.
His library will get the same consideration as everybody else's. They're not that childish up there even though it frequently looks that way to the untrained eye. And nobody with any real credibility is still demanding birth and acadmic records.
Nah, "nobody with real credibility," like about one-third to three-fifths of the population (by most estimates I have seen in the last year).
Why did the State Department destroy Obama's mother's passport records, shortly after he took office? Why did State not take earlier action on Obama's wetback aunt and uncle? Why is Obama not releasing his OWN records from his college years?
Why isn't he coming clean over his relationship to the very same Annenberg Foundation which hired him as community agitator --- whose subsidiary FactCheck.org just MAGICALLY happened to clear Hussein of any wrongdoing over his faked birth certificate, the one with five different typewriter fonts.
His library SHOULD be on a rolling cart pushed along past the row of cells in his cell-block. That's all this illegal immigrant (and his family of illegal immigrants) deserve.
Quote from: quiller on September 10, 2011, 09:33:32 AM
Nah, "nobody with real credibility," like about one-third to three-fifths of the population (by most estimates I have seen in the last year). Why did the State Department destroy Obama's mother's passport records, shortly after he took office? Why did State not take earlier action on Obama's wetback aunt and uncle? Why is Obama not releasing his OWN records from his college years?
Why isn't he coming clean over his relationship to the very same Annenberg Foundation which hired him as community agitator --- whose subsidiary FactCheck.org just MAGICALLY happened to clear Hussein of any wrongdoing over his faked birth certificate, the one with five different typewriter fonts.
His library SHOULD be on a rolling cart pushed along past the row of cells in his cell-block. That's all this illegal immigrant (and his family of illegal immigrants) deserve.
Links would be informative.
Excellent! Then YOU prove the statement to which I replied, that "nobody with any real credibility is still demanding birth and academic records."
And while you're at it, talk to Larry Kayman at Judicial Watch, among many other groups filing for access to those very records. Ask Judge Lambeth in D.C., who's heard several such cases already and has managed to get his boy Hussein off the hook through technicalities.
I'd like to add one more prediction.
The MSM in a concerted effort will slowly back away from supporting Hussein, and turn towards Hillary.
They see the writing on the wall and know they are about to get slaughtered in 2012.
The Dims will move to the Right, Hillary will play down much of the socialism even though she backed it whole heartedly, and will position herself as a hawk and the only one qualified to lead the Country back to solvency.
She will do well, but in the end, the Dims will be shown the exit door.
Quote from: Solar on September 11, 2011, 12:00:57 PM
I'd like to add one more prediction.
The MSM in a concerted effort will slowly back away from supporting Hussein, and turn towards Hillary.
They see the writing on the wall and know they are about to get slaughtered in 2012.
The Dims will move to the Right, Hillary will play down much of the socialism even though she backed it whole heartedly, and will position herself as a hawk and the only one qualified to lead the Country back to solvency.
She will do well, but in the end, the Dims will be shown the exit door.
I don't think the Libs would be that stupid to run Shrill, Hussein got 30% of the vote....no matter what. Shrill will guarentee a Dem defeat...I still think there is a chance probably by skulldugery that Hussein might win.
Billy
Too late for Hillary to run. I'm just hoping for another Ralph Nader type to siphon off a fee of Obama's votes. There are enough angry lefties to make it possible.
Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on September 11, 2011, 05:01:11 PM
I don't think the Libs would be that stupid to run Shrill, Hussein got 30% of the vote....no matter what. Shrill will guarentee a Dem defeat...I still think there is a chance probably by skulldugery that Hussein might win.
Billy
It really doesn't matter, they could reincarnate FDR and the Dims will still lose.
They tried to fundamentally change the Country with disastrous results.
They are about to become meaningless.
Quote from: Dan on September 11, 2011, 05:05:17 PM
Too late for Hillary to run. I'm just hoping for another Ralph Nader type to siphon off a fee of Obama's votes. There are enough angry lefties to make it possible.
I agree but you, and I, aren't the only ones smart enough to see that danger. You can bet Obama's campaign staff is pulling every lever and pushing every button to keep a left wing third party from emerging.
Who is the green party supporting?
Quote from: Dan on September 11, 2011, 07:26:41 PM
Who is the green party supporting?
Well we know they're pissed at him over Canadian tar sands and starting the war in Libya.
But then that is the same party that backed Cynthia McKenny, so... :))
I guess it would be too much to hope for Al Gore running on the Green Party ticket.
Quote from: quiller on September 11, 2011, 06:23:25 AM
Excellent! Then YOU prove the statement to which I replied, that "nobody with any real credibility is still demanding birth and academic records."
And while you're at it, talk to Larry Kayman at Judicial Watch, among many other groups filing for access to those very records. Ask Judge Lambeth in D.C., who's heard several such cases already and has managed to get his boy Hussein off the hook through technicalities.
I don't see it happening, for one thing. And if that ain't enough, "water is wet."
Quote from: elmerfudd on September 12, 2011, 11:01:04 AM
I don't see it happening, for one thing. And if that ain't enough, "water is wet."
I predict in the near future there will be rain...and it will be wet.
Billy
Quote from: elmerfudd on September 12, 2011, 11:01:04 AM
I don't see it happening, for one thing. And if that ain't enough, "water is wet."
Take off the blinders, it's happening,.
Just because you never see it on MSNBC, doesn't mean it's not taking place.
Quote from: Solar on September 11, 2011, 08:47:00 PM
Well we know they're pissed at him over Canadian tar sands and starting the war in Libya.
But then that is the same party that backed Cynthia McKenny, so... :))
Oh hell, they're pissed at more then that. There's his caving on the Bush tax cuts. While I haven't read anything about lefty resentment there's the total lack of any anti-gun effort.
There's the pull-back on the ozone standards. There's quite a little laundry list of reasons why lefties are pissed at Obama.
Dan, to your question, there's nothing on the Green Party web site that hints at a candidate.
It's probably a bit early and really, what's the rush? When you can hold your nominating convention in a broom closet it can't take to long to come to a decision.
I will stand by my earlier prediction..
Obama will not run again. The scandle I predicted earlier is coming out, Solyndra is just going to be the tip of the iceberg..
If Hillary gets the nomination we can all begin getting very worried, I believe if the Republican Nomination goes to either Romney or Perry she will beat them soundly.
Quote from: AmericanMom on September 23, 2011, 09:15:43 AM
I will stand by my earlier prediction..
Obama will not run again. The scandle I predicted earlier is coming out, Solyndra is just going to be the tip of the iceberg..
If Hillary gets the nomination we can all begin getting very worried, I believe if the Republican Nomination goes to either Romney or Perry she will beat them soundly.
I agree AM, it looks like Solargate may be the straw that breaks the Muscum camels back.
I also agree that if Hitlery gets the nod, a RINO would mean a win for her.
Which is even more reason to back a true Conservative.
A Cain Bachman ticket is looking more and more like a possibility everyday. or Bachman Cain, either is preferable. 8-)
Quote from: Solar on September 23, 2011, 10:26:51 AM
I agree AM, it looks like Solargate may be the straw that breaks the Muscum camels back.
I also agree that if Hitlery gets the nod, a RINO would mean a win for her.
Which is even more reason to back a true Conservative.
A Cain Bachman ticket is looking more and more like a possibility everyday. or Bachman Cain, either is preferable. 8-)
I am again in 100% agreement..
I (as you and many know) will NOT cast my vote for a rino, I hope and pray more republicans decide to NOT vote the lesser of two evils and we get a strong conservative candidate.
Quote from: AmericanMom on September 23, 2011, 12:18:37 PM
I am again in 100% agreement..
I (as you and many know) will NOT cast my vote for a rino, I hope and pray more republicans decide to NOT vote the lesser of two evils and we get a strong conservative candidate.
Me too AM...
I think most learned their lesson with McCain, having a RINO as our only choice gave the WH to a Marxist.
I honestly believe the majority will vote in a true conservative and the rest will fall in line.
In the past it has always been the opposite, the media/RINO picked our candidate, but now both have become pretty much irrelevant and the base will make the final decision.
Quote from: Solar on September 23, 2011, 01:21:48 PM
Me too AM...
I think most learned their lesson with McCain, having a RINO as our only choice gave the WH to a Marxist.
I honestly believe the majority will vote in a true conservative and the rest will fall in line.
In the past it has always been the opposite, the media/RINO picked our candidate, but now both have become pretty much irrelevant and the base will make the final decision.
I don't know if I share your hope Solar...I've had to many discussions on LNF and read a few threads here where many Republicans say they will vote for whomever the nominee is.. Hannity and Rush both advocate it, even my local Conservative Lars Larson advocates voting for the Repub pick..
Quote from: AmericanMom on September 23, 2011, 02:04:41 PM
I don't know if I share your hope Solar...I've had to many discussions on LNF and read a few threads here where many Republicans say they will vote for whomever the nominee is.. Hannity and Rush both advocate it, even my local Conservative Lars Larson advocates voting for the Repub pick..
And that is my point, there won't be a RINO left standing in the end, and the rest will vote for the person that "WE" the Tea party chose, not the media.
Quote from: Solar on September 23, 2011, 03:13:02 PM
And that is my point, there won't be a RINO left standing in the end, and the rest will vote for the person that "WE" the Tea party chose, not the media.
Crossing my fingers and hoping your right!!! :)
Quote from: AmericanMom on September 23, 2011, 07:04:20 PM
Crossing my fingers and hoping your right!!! :)
I think we have the momentum on our side this time. 8-)
The electorate of 2008 and 2012 are night and day...
Quote from: taxed on September 24, 2011, 08:15:14 AM
The electorate of 2008 and 2012 are night and day...
Exactly Taxed, sadly the best choice last year was a RINO, as rigged by the GOP.
Though this year, the RINO won't make it to the primaries.
My prediction has to do with Obama's campaign. I'm not calling the exact makeup of it, but I think it will mostly be class warfare, capitalizing on the wall-street protesters, with a healthy dose of criticizing the GOP, and the required minimum of Greek columns and Soviet-style posters.
Buzzwords to listen for include:
"Top 1%" (or 5%, or 10%, depending on what mood he's in).
"Partisan gridlock".
"Party of no".
"We've come too far to go back".
"Do you love me?"
"Inherited the recession".
And many, many more! The Obama campaign greatest hits, coming soon to a news outlet near you!
"Support me or you're a racist reactionary who lives solely to starve widows and orphans...."
"We would have no enemies if we only talked more to them. I'm announcing a Shari'ia Compliance Cabinet position toward that end...."
Quote from: CubaLibre on October 03, 2011, 05:51:46 AM
My prediction has to do with Obama's campaign. I'm not calling the exact makeup of it, but I think it will mostly be class warfare, capitalizing on the wall-street protesters, with a healthy dose of criticizing the GOP, and the required minimum of Greek columns and Soviet-style posters.
Buzzwords to listen for include:
"Top 1%" (or 5%, or 10%, depending on what mood he's in).
"Partisan gridloc.
"Party of no".
"We've come too far to go back".
"Do you love me?"
"Inherited the recession".
And many, many more! The Obama campaign greatest hits, coming soon to a news outlet near you!
Good choices, and one more since most of their current talking points are failing, "a womans choice" it'll be reanimated since that one resonates with his base and the ignorant.
My 2012 predictions:
The Republicans will win the presidency
The Republicans will gain seats in the house
The Republicans will win the senate majority and settle out around 56-58 seats.
The moment a Republican beats Obama you will start to see a flood of private capital back into the US economy. Maybe not the full 2 trillion all at once, but it will be an undeniable and significant flow from the sidelines to the economy.
China's economy will falter in a big way. This will lead to a cascading effect on the economies of countries who are dependent upon Chinese exports such as Australia, New Zeland, South America and Africa.
Greece will leave the EU.
Whether it happens or not, Portugul will also consider leaving the EU.
Italy and Spain will stay in the EU.
The EU will not make significant movement towards a common political and/or fiscal union to balance out the monetary union.
The religous loons will be a big part of the new Lybian government.
I predict that the US housing market is no where near finding it's floor and that many of the most depressed US housing markets will continue to see slack demand and falling prices in 2012.
I predict that future banks in crisis will not have a snowball's chance in hell of getting a federal bailout. The actions of the banks over the past 3 years in particular have completely poisoned the well regarding political solutions.
I predict that FoxNews will lose more and more viewers as it continues to tack to the left.
I already watch it maybe 20% of the time I watched it 3 years ago.
Quote from: Dan on October 03, 2011, 12:45:00 PM
I predict that FoxNews will lose more and more viewers as it continues to tack to the left.
I already watch it maybe 20% of the time I watched it 3 years ago.
Totally......
I predict Barak Obama will lose in a landslide to whoever the Republicans nominate.
Quote from: Dan on October 06, 2011, 12:18:57 PM
I predict Barak Obama will lose in a landslide to whoever the Republicans nominate.
LOL!!! :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
And I predict darkness at night.
Quote from: Dan on October 06, 2011, 12:18:57 PM
I predict Barak Obama will lose in a landslide to whoever the Republicans nominate.
I'm still waiting on that Generic guy to announce his candidacy. He's owning in all the polls.
If the lefties were smart then they would cut the best deal they can make now, because after next November we aren't going to need to consider their positions at all. Not when we have the presidency, the senate and the house.
Quote from: Dan on October 07, 2011, 03:14:49 AM
If the lefties were smart then they would cut the best deal they can make now, because after next November we aren't going to need to consider their positions at all. Not when we have the presidency, the senate and the house.
Having watched a number of Republican presidential candidates "campaign" piss away elections for reasons which still baffle me, I can't join you in your certainty. Granted none of the current field has any obvious expectations that it's "their turn" for a presidential run like Pa Bush, Bob Dole or John McCain but their example worries me.
I'm quite willing to wait for current events since prediction, at least in the case of the presidency, has repeatedly disappointed me.
One thing I well predict though is that the continued movement of the electorate to right will start to have an inescapable, and unconcealable, impact on the Democratic party. You may have to dig to find the information but I believe Democratic incumbents will see their most significant threat from
conservative, Democratic challengers.
Yes, they exist. There really are conservative Democrats although they tend to be conservative on only specific issues but just as left wing Republicans have seen fit to depart the party - Arlen Spectre's probably the best know and most obvious example - incumbent, left wing Democrats from swing areas will either lose their primaries to conservative, Democratic challengers or retire as the political atmosphere becomes more problematic for them.
Don't know if I posted this or not, but I'll kick the can a bit further down the road.
The Dim movement is over, liberalism as we know it today is dead, they just don't know it because its on life support, but we will pull the plug in 2012 and take all three Houses.
The Dim party will do one of two things during the next decade, either they will move to the Right, challenging the Pubs over certain areas, or accept where they have gone and wear the moniker of Socialist Democratic party.
But no matter how its viewed, they have lost power for the next three decades.
I say this because the Nation saw just how corrupt they were in using our laws against us to achieve their goals, they heard Hussein say they would fundamentally change America, but that change was like a cancer on our very way of life and it effected the rest of the World economy.
My proof is their past, they infect every generation with their warped ideals, think 60s generation and the Hippie movement with the free love and do what you want to do, its a free Country attitude.
Well they will have to infect a whole new generation, because all the others have seen the results of liberalism on the Country and culture when Hussein moved into overdrive and sped up the Marxist movement.
It will take them an entire generation, about 30 years to regain power and trust, so it will be the generation being born today that they will go after, all the rest of us know who they are and what they are about.
It's over for now. Once every generation libs have to remind us why they can't be trusted. In 30 years it will happen all over again.
Quote from: Dan on October 07, 2011, 09:32:55 PM
It's over for now. Once every generation libs have to remind us why they can't be trusted. In 30 years it will happen all over again.
Yes it will, just the same old bull shit repackaged, but always under the guise of pretending to help.
Quote from: Solar on October 07, 2011, 06:31:48 AM
Don't know if I posted this or not, but I'll kick the can a bit further down the road.
The Dim movement is over, liberalism as we know it today is dead, they just don't know it because its on life support, but we will pull the plug in 2012 and take all three Houses.
The Dim party will do one of two things during the next decade, either they will move to the Right, challenging the Pubs over certain areas, or accept where they have gone and wear the moniker of Socialist Democratic party.
But no matter how its viewed, they have lost power for the next three decades.
I say this because the Nation saw just how corrupt they were in using our laws against us to achieve their goals, they heard Hussein say they would fundamentally change America, but that change was like a cancer on our very way of life and it effected the rest of the World economy.
My proof is their past, they infect every generation with their warped ideals, think 60s generation and the Hippie movement with the free love and do what you want to do, its a free Country attitude.
Well they will have to infect a whole new generation, because all the others have seen the results of liberalism on the Country and culture when Hussein moved into overdrive and sped up the Marxist movement.
It will take them an entire generation, about 30 years to regain power and trust, so it will be the generation being born today that they will go after, all the rest of us know who they are and what they are about.
I've got a different take on both the Democratic party and leftyism.
Ours is a representative form of government which is generally taken to mean we elect people at intervals to represent us at those bodies where law is made. But I think it also means our government is representative
of us.
By that I mean our strengthes and failings show up in our government as collective representation of our various, human characteristics.
How many people are unhappy with the cowardice shown by our elected representatives. Come on, show of hands.
How many of those with hands raised can think back to instances they'd rather not think about where they weren't quite as courageous as they could have been?
How about patience, tolerance, expediency, honesty and generosity? Anyone come up short on that list? Maybe once during your life so far?
What I'm getting at is that our political system reflects those characteristics.
Democrats represent immediate gratification over long-term planning. They represent divisiveness over inclusiveness all sloganeering to the contrary notwithstanding. Democrats represent impulsiveness over caution, self-involvment over community, selfishness over generosity and expedience over altruism.
While I think that's always been the case with Democrats that representation of human shortcomings reached a pinnacle with the ascent of the left. It's a natural fit but the Democrats resisted the left for some time. In the 1940s and 1950s there were Democrats who were anxious to make it clear they were opposed to the left even though they shared many sentiments with the left. But time took it's toll and the insurgent lefties eventually ascended to power in the Democratic party.
But if you look at the list of characteristics that the Democrats, and the left, represent they're nothing so much as a list of characteristics to be found in all children of a certain age and a gradually diminishing number of children as those children move into adulthood.
Dang, gotta go. More later.
Quote from: arpad on October 08, 2011, 12:54:31 PM
I've got a different take on both the Democratic party and leftyism.
Ours is a representative form of government which is generally taken to mean we elect people at intervals to represent us at those bodies where law is made. But I think it also means our government is representative of us.
By that I mean our strengthes and failings show up in our government as collective representation of our various, human characteristics.
How many people are unhappy with the cowardice shown by our elected representatives. Come on, show of hands.
How many of those with hands raised can think back to instances they'd rather not think about where they weren't quite as courageous as they could have been?
How about patience, tolerance, expediency, honesty and generosity? Anyone come up short on that list? Maybe once during your life so far?
What I'm getting at is that our political system reflects those characteristics.
Democrats represent immediate gratification over long-term planning. They represent divisiveness over inclusiveness all sloganeering to the contrary notwithstanding. Democrats represent impulsiveness over caution, self-involvment over community, selfishness over generosity and expedience over altruism.
While I think that's always been the case with Democrats that representation of human shortcomings reached a pinnacle with the ascent of the left. It's a natural fit but the Democrats resisted the left for some time. In the 1940s and 1950s there were Democrats who were anxious to make it clear they were opposed to the left even though they shared many sentiments with the left. But time took it's toll and the insurgent lefties eventually ascended to power in the Democratic party.
But if you look at the list of characteristics that the Democrats, and the left, represent they're nothing so much as a list of characteristics to be found in all children of a certain age and a gradually diminishing number of children as those children move into adulthood.
Dang, gotta go. More later.
I don't see the difference yet, and I agree, in fact, most Dims come from the ground up.
By that I mean local politics gives them a foot in the door, most people have a different view on local politics as the do Nationally, and many Dims are voted in by both parties.
Case in point, I voted for a Dim back in the early 70s, (Robert Marsui) he was by far more Conservative on a local scale than the Pub, but Matsui went on to become a Senator where he joined his brethren and became a full blown lib on many issues.
I think this scenario repeats itself over and over again in local races...
Quote from: Solar on October 08, 2011, 01:07:18 PM
I think this scenario repeats itself over and over again in local races...
Not so much in Louisiana. The Democrat party down here is quickly approaching a point of irrelevance
Quote from: Dan on October 14, 2011, 12:44:31 PM
Not so much in Louisiana. The Democrat party down here is quickly approaching a point of irrelevance
Watch what happens to them after 2012 elections, when many of them will be filing unemployment papers.
Their entire party will suddenly become irrelevant. :))
Quote from: Shanghai Dan on August 30, 2011, 07:18:34 PM
My prediction:
The House loses 4 GOP seats, but is still in GOP control. The Senate switches as well, with 3 seats changing, giving Senate Majority Leader McConnell a 1 vote majority. But President Obama still hangs in there, with some election "irregularities" in a few key places that ultimately left him in the White House, narrowly defeating a Perry/Cain ticket.
I don't even want to think what troubles election "irregularities" would bring. I don't like the idea of shootouts at the polls - which have happened before. I don't think people will accept any ballots found in car trunks. No matter who wins, the margin has to be so large one side can't accuse the other of cheating. A government felt to be illegitimate by a large portion of the population could turn out to be a disaster.
Quote from: Solar on October 14, 2011, 02:33:30 PM
Watch what happens to them after 2012 elections, when many of them will be filing unemployment papers.
Their entire party will suddenly become irrelevant. :))
Dare to dream. :)
Quote from: Dan on October 17, 2011, 05:51:42 PM
Dare to dream. :)
:))
Normally I'd chalk this one up to wishful thinking, but I know the left will be out on their collective socialist asses for quite sometime.
This thread will be interesting after the elections and if I'm wrong on my predictions, then it will be because the libs stole many local elections and closely contested ones to court.
In their mind, why not, they have everything to gain, they have no shame.
Libs are a self destructive species...
Squire Giles says.....
QuoteA government felt to be illegitimate by a large portion of the population could turn out to be a disaster.
It has. We noticed.
Quote from: taxed on October 17, 2011, 09:25:17 PM
Libs are a self destructive species...
I wish they were better at it. ;)
QuoteI wish they were better at it.
Great line! :))
Quote from: AmericanMom on August 30, 2011, 07:57:10 PM
Mysteriously there will be some scandal or family problem involving obama and he wont be able to accept another term.... Hillary will then step in and accept her parties nomination.
I agree, A.M. I do not believe Obama is going to be the candidate for Patriots and Conservatives to beat in November 2012.
Quote from: msbobbie on October 24, 2011, 02:54:12 AM
I agree, A.M. I do not believe Obama is going to be the candidate for Patriots and Conservatives to beat in November 2012.
Remember what they said about Bush:
" He was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple".
Well when we start talking about sense of entitlement, no one even comes close to Obozo. Combine that with the fact that he doesn't really like campaigning (pressing the flesh and meeting people, as opposed to giving speeches) and he is really out of touch with the national mood. I believe he thinks all he will need is one more speech and the public will "love" him again. He will have to be physical kept from running and he may not leave the White House without a gun battle. Besides, last I checked Hilarious was his Secretary of State. One year isn't enough time to wash that from the public memory.
I liked to call Bush "Not so curious George". :P
He pissed me off with Medicare part D and his permissive attitude towards illegals.
And all that damned pork and the stimulus too.
And let's not forget Bush's position on the assualt weapons ban as well.
Yeah, Bush was very much out of the mold of the conservative that learned to survive politically in the era when anything other then left wing ideas were a tough sell. Rove was also out of the same mold. Cheney and Rumsfeld were very much the exceptions neither giving lip service to left wing ideas nor much respect to lefties in general although both knew there were certain issues that, if you popped off incorrectly, would result in you taking a hammering so they learned to go quiet on those.
The times they are a changin' though which is why Obama had such a tough time getting Obamacare through a Congress which should have made it a slam-dunk.
Quote from: msbobbie on October 24, 2011, 02:54:12 AM
I agree, A.M. I do not believe Obama is going to be the candidate for Patriots and Conservatives to beat in November 2012.
Just to be clear, you don't think Obama will run in 2012, correct?
Assuming the answer to that question's a "yes", why do you think he won't run in 2012?
In evidence to my claim about the left losing power for an entire generation.
Here it is folks, starting with the children.
I figured Red was an appropriate. :))
U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, interrupted an interview with a reporter Saturday in Charleston to speak with two elementary-school age children that she quickly labeled
"little Democrats.""We are leaving no stone unturned," she said once she returned to the interview.
Wasserman Schultz and the rest of the Democratic Party will have to turn over quite a few stones to make headway in South Carolina, which has not voted for a Democratic presidential candidate since Jimmy Carter in 1976 - 35 years ago.
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With due respect for parochial or private schools which choose to puts it students into uniforms, it doesn't take much imagination to foresee a day when U.S. students will all wear a public-school uniform.
They'll be told it removes class distinctions. Their parents will be told it creates and saves jobs, making those clothes. And wearing those uniforms, those same kids will watch classroom "educational programming," pushing nakedly partisan leftist politics --- and paid for by the same taxes now gouged out of those too intelligent to put their child in any public school.
Those kids will eat three meals a day at school. They'll be entertained and "educated" by unionized racketeers who will fight tooth and nail for the mind and soul of that child.
Of course that child will never hear of union violence or corruption. Of course that child will never hear one ill word against the federal government, and how the moldy old U.S. Constitution absolutely MUST give way to European-style control. These silly divisions of power like the 10th Amendment, for example, just HAVE to go.
Twelve years, minimum, six hours or more per day. That's a long time to teach them how to love Big Brother.
What you are describing is why more and more local communities are not voting tax increases for their school districts as the states cut back their funding. No one really feels like a stake holder in the public schools anymore because they are doing so many things that alienate parents.
I am hoping against hope that the Republicans will take strong steps towards a voucher program that enables private and charter schools to really take off. It's time to break the public school monopoly on primary and secondary education.
Honesty requires that I rain on your parade bucko - there won't be a day when all U.S. students wear a uniform. The public education system, and with it the means to enforce a dictate like that, is falling apart not getting stronger. Within five years the first school district will be dissolved and it could, quite possibly, be much sooner. The dream of "catch 'em young and train 'em right" that's made public education so popular for so long among people seeking to impose their views on the next generation will dissolve and it'll be the collapse of the concept of the school district that leads to that end and not an idea that clearly improves educational outcomes.
Parents will want ideas that work not ideas that sound good in theory which is the standard for school district acceptance.
Once the school district concept is punctured it'll be a fighting retreat to protect the idea by those who support the concept of the school district but they'll lose.
What'll replace the school district first is the charter school idea and that idea, necessarily, puts a lot more decision-making power into the hands of parents. Since it's being treated like dirt by the school district, along with the generally lousy educational performance of district schools especially in urban areas, that's motivated the charter school idea I predict charter schools and charter school parents will be as independent as hogs on ice and will fight like hell any encroachments by anyone. That includes dictating the wearing of uniforms. The proponents of the idea will lose because it's a "throw it against the wall and see if it sticks" idea.
So here's my prediction(s):
Within five years, perhaps as little as two the first school district will be dissolved to be replaced by a bunch of independent, competing charters.
In New Orleans 70% of public school kids go to charters. The only thing unfortunate in that is that it makes New Orleans much more likely then Detroit to go all-charter but we might catch up yet. The state Senate has a bill in process to remove the cap on charter schools in Michigan. Detroit's the "X" ring for parental dissatisfaction with 30% of public school kids in charters many, if not all, of which have waiting lists.
But it gets better.
As parents start to feel their oats they'll want even more say over how and where their kid is educated and that'll lead to an erosion of the restrictive laws that dictate school size, facilities, location and other factors. Regulators and legislator will fight it but parents will want even more flexibility and control over their children's education; the physical plant of the education system will come under attack as the schools convenient for district bureaucrats will be seen as just that and unrelated to the educational needs of children. So the centralized school building will become an anachronism. Look to see a bunch of stories about school buildings being demolished as the entire industry re-aligns.
Competition will start to bite.
As more and more charters open they won't have the performance umbrella of the rotten district schools to hide under. Merely being better then gawdawful district schools won't be as much of a selling point when there are more charters around. Charters will have to develop ideas and demonstrate results in order to stand out and they will; their survival will depend on doing so. Schools whose survival depends on innovation and results will embrace technology for the same reason every other industry and human endeavor has embraced technology - superior productivity, better results and diminishing costs.
You can see the outlines of that innovation revolution in the use of Khan Academy (http://khanacademy.org) within the classroom - link (http://www.joannejacobs.com/2011/03/schools-use-khan-academy/).
Schools will not only have to produce worthwhile educational results they'll also have to demonstrate those worthwhile educational results and the more understandable and accessible that information is the better it'll serve to help the school survive. Khan Academy's unappreciated strength is in the numerous tests that are part of the web site, and the resulting graphical "dashboard" that allows parents easily and accurately see their child's progress.
But if you've got that kind of data for every kid you can aggregate the data to demonstrate the school's performance. Once schools can do that they'll have to; parents will demand that information before they make a decision and refusing to make that sort of information available will be just as bad, perhaps worse, then having lousy results. Schools that can't demonstrate they're good will be assumed to be bad.
And at that point even the idea of publicly-funded education will start to come under attack.
Here is a prediction. The news about a greek debt settlement is bogus. The upswings in the markets will turn back downward within a week.
Quote from: Dan on October 27, 2011, 04:32:27 PM
Here is a prediction. The news about a greek debt settlement is bogus. The upswings in the markets will turn back downward within a week.
I have yet to figure out how a bail out can be good news. It is like borrowing more money that you don't have in the first place. Some time the full bill comes do.
Exactly! As long as the Europeans keep spendimg more money than they have this isn't going to get better. The only sustainable solution is a significant spending reduction.
Quote from: Dan on October 28, 2011, 03:07:58 AM
Exactly! As long as the Europeans keep spendimg more money than they have this isn't going to get better. The only sustainable solution is a significant spending reduction.
I have no problems with spending, as long as it is in cash.
Quote from: walkstall on October 28, 2011, 06:06:26 AM
I have no problems with spending, as long as it is in cash.
Remember the old quote that says liberalism is a great idea until you run out of other people's money to spend.
World War III (or IV or V or VI depending upon how you want to count...)
- Socialist unrest worldwide as all governments are strained to the breaking point to keep the masses happy with bread and circuses. The entire economy of the planet unsupported and unstable.
- All governments have become unable - disabled? - to deal with reality. All issues, such as "global warming," or "racism" or "illegal immigration" are inflated to an imaginary level.
All issues that may be real are devalued with "political correctness" such as the US government's incompetence in the Fannie/Freddie mortgage fiasco; the "Arab Spring," which is an increase in the violence and chaos of Islamism and Arab despotism, not a push towards democratic franchise and justice; and the whole European debt crisis, which can only result in the fall of the EU in some form or another.
- Two of the most powerful governments with which the US has close ties are China and Russia. Both are organized criminal oligarchies with no "rule of law." There are many other such "allies" in the world such as the Saudi Arabian kingdom.
All of these conditions mirror the unrest and grabs for power that preceded WW II.
The most likely scenario will be some sort of attack that actually unifies the Arab/Islamist factions, which is what OBL actually believed he could do on 9/11.
This kind of conflict could start in a commonplace manner, such as a real war between Pakistan and India and then escalate as other Islamist or Arab despots try to lead their faction into Power - Turkey could try and take the forefront and call upon European Muslims to "rise up;" Iran could use the opportunity to seize Iraq decisively; Syria and Lebanon and use the opportunity to try and take Israel. There are many possible scenarios.
The world continues to move towards total financial collapse; governments continue to be unable to actually address and speak about reality; and much of the world continues to murder and oppress their own people.
I suspect something along the lines of "WW III" will occur in the next few years.
Quote from: Moishe3rd on October 28, 2011, 07:08:53 AM
- Socialist unrest worldwide as all governments are strained to the breaking point to keep the masses happy with bread and circuses. The entire economy of the planet unsupported and unstable.
This is Europe and us to a lesser extent and it will be China just as soon as their economy falters. China is the real powder keg. When it stumbles there will be blood in the streets.
But back to your point, you hit this right on the head. Our current level of spending, supported by a seemingly never ending string of bubbles, is utterly unsustainable.
Quote from: Moishe3rd on October 28, 2011, 07:08:53 AM
The world continues to move towards total financial collapse; governments continue to be unable to actually address and speak about reality; and much of the world continues to murder and oppress their own people.
I suspect something along the lines of "WW III" will occur in the next few years.
I really don't see a WW III. I see more of a lessening of everything. More of a deflation than a pop. Maybe I'm wrong.
There is a chance we will return to our roots. Get back to a free market society. Get back to an attitude of rugged individualism. Very likely this will not happen but it is our best chance of holding our ground and remaining the America we all envision in our minds.
Quote from: Moishe3rd on October 28, 2011, 07:08:53 AM
- Two of the most powerful governments with which the US has close ties are China and Russia. Both are organized criminal oligarchies with no "rule of law." There are many other such "allies" in the world such as the Saudi Arabian kingdom.
The same thing could be said about the regimes in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, the former regime in Egypt and Tunisia just to name a few. We don't always do a good job of picking our friends.
I still say the most likely doomsday scenario is a global pandemic that we will accidentially breed ourselves like some nasty strain of antibiotic resistant swine flu. They pour antibiotics on livestock in pig farms in a way that just puts eveloution into overdrive for those little critters.
Kills 15-20% of the population, causes a breakdown of civil society which kills another 20-30% of the population through crime, starvation and the inability to treat chronically ill people. It will be much, much worse on people in cities as the food runs out. At that point governments cease to be anything like what we recognize today and it all sorta goes 19th century in a hurry.
Hopefully this won't happen and the rational part of my mind says it probably won't. But this is the doomsday scenario that worries me more than WW III.
Quote from: Moishe3rd on October 28, 2011, 07:08:53 AM
World War III (or IV or V or VI depending upon how you want to count...)
- Socialist unrest worldwide as all governments are strained to the breaking point to keep the masses happy with bread and circuses. The entire economy of the planet unsupported and unstable.
- All governments have become unable - disabled? - to deal with reality. All issues, such as "global warming," or "racism" or "illegal immigration" are inflated to an imaginary level.
All issues that may be real are devalued with "political correctness" such as the US government's incompetence in the Fannie/Freddie mortgage fiasco; the "Arab Spring," which is an increase in the violence and chaos of Islamism and Arab despotism, not a push towards democratic franchise and justice; and the whole European debt crisis, which can only result in the fall of the EU in some form or another.
- Two of the most powerful governments with which the US has close ties are China and Russia. Both are organized criminal oligarchies with no "rule of law." There are many other such "allies" in the world such as the Saudi Arabian kingdom.
All of these conditions mirror the unrest and grabs for power that preceded WW II.
The most likely scenario will be some sort of attack that actually unifies the Arab/Islamist factions, which is what OBL actually believed he could do on 9/11.
This kind of conflict could start in a commonplace manner, such as a real war between Pakistan and India and then escalate as other Islamist or Arab despots try to lead their faction into Power - Turkey could try and take the forefront and call upon European Muslims to "rise up;" Iran could use the opportunity to seize Iraq decisively; Syria and Lebanon and use the opportunity to try and take Israel. There are many possible scenarios.
The world continues to move towards total financial collapse; governments continue to be unable to actually address and speak about reality; and much of the world continues to murder and oppress their own people.
I suspect something along the lines of "WW III" will occur in the next few years.
Well said Moishe.
I see it this way, not so much as a war on a global scale, but rather a collapse of the social contract that so many civilized nations have.
I see it like a tare in the fabric of all that is good, which will lead to starvation and a breakdown of trade, furthering the decay around the globe.
With that said, it truly depends on us as a people to reject socialism.
The World is tied to the dollar, if we can quickly stem the tide of despair in this Country and get people back to work, the rest of the globe will see it as a beacon of hope and will slowly follow suit.
So much depends on killing liberalism in this Country,
Quote from: Dan on October 28, 2011, 09:45:18 AM
I still say the most likely doomsday scenario is a global pandemic that we will accidentially breed ourselves like some nasty strain of antibiotic resistant swine flu. They pour antibiotics on livestock in pig farms in a way that just puts eveloution into overdrive for those little critters.
Kills 15-20% of the population, causes a breakdown of civil society which kills another 20-30% of the population through crime, starvation and the inability to treat chronically ill people. It will be much, much worse on people in cities as the food runs out. At that point governments cease to be anything like what we recognize today and it all sorta goes 19th century in a hurry.
Hopefully this won't happen and the rational part of my mind says it probably won't. But this is the doomsday scenario that worries me more than WW III.
Antibiotics don't have anything to do with viruses so that's not going to be the source of a global pandemic. Promiscuous use of antibiotics gives us antibiotic-resistant bacteria which is bad enough and the danger's been recognized with some counteractions being put into effect. As for other sources, they exist but epidemics obey laws which Hollywood can conveniently ignore.
What if the worst thing happens?
Much worse then a global pandemic or an international financial meltdown or any of that stuff? What if things just relentlessly get better? More and more people rise above the hunger level. More and more nations fall to the siren song of representative government. Violence continues its long-term downward trend. What then?
The reason I ask the question is because all that stuff is actually happening and all the various catastrophes that get all the press relentlessly don't happen.
Quote from: arpad on October 28, 2011, 06:26:00 PM
Antibiotics don't have anything to do with viruses so that's not going to be the source of a global pandemic. Promiscuous use of antibiotics gives us antibiotic-resistant bacteria which is bad enough and the danger's been recognized with some counteractions being put into effect. As for other sources, they exist but epidemics obey laws which Hollywood can conveniently ignore.
What if the worst thing happens?
Much worse then a global pandemic or an international financial meltdown or any of that stuff? What if things just relentlessly get better? More and more people rise above the hunger level. More and more nations fall to the siren song of representative government. Violence continues its long-term downward trend. What then?
The reason I ask the question is because all that stuff is actually happening and all the various catastrophes that get all the press relentlessly don't happen.
Consider the liberal mind (if you want to call it one that is).
They are always trying to make change, even if its bad, so even if we had a perfect world, they'd fuck it up out of boredom.
Quote from: Solar on October 28, 2011, 07:18:07 PM
Consider the liberal mind (if you want to call it one that is).
They are always trying to make change, even if its bad, so even if we had a perfect world, they'd fuck it up out of boredom.
What makes you think lefties have to wait for the world to become perfect before they'll try to fuck it up out of sheer boredom?
Remember, the world revolves around lefties, as far as lefties are concerned. So the only difference between real issues that should be addressed and phony issues promoted out of sheer boredom is in how they see themselves.
The issue's always secondary and the roll of the lefty is always primary.
Wanna be a Hero for the Planet? Wanna be a soldier in the fight for civil rights in 2011? Are you terribly upset that there's hunger in the wealthiest nation on Earth?
All phony issues in which the lefty's role as pocket change Superman is the driving force.
Because the "prosperity" of the last 30+ years where so many people have been uplifted is a mirage based on a series of easy money bubbles that are utterly unsustainable. In the US we have the securitization bubble which led to the housing bubble which is prompting deficit spending paid for by the fed who are creqting their very own easy money bubble by diluting the dollar. And it will all sorta work until the value of the dollar drops and that bubble pops too. Bottom line is that current levels of US consumption are not sustainable given our level of productivity.
And Europe's easy money bubble was soverign debt. They supported unsustainable levels of consumption with countless govt jobs at unrealistic pay and benefits. But now that bubble is popping. Bottom line is that European stqndqrds of living are going to drop alomg with their consumption levels.
Now lets move on to China. Their rasy mojey bubble is debt too. Federal, state and local debt is 80% of Chinese GDP. Not to mention the massive debt on the balance sheets if Chinese banks that should have been written off under any sane accounting standards. Bottom line, much of the Chinese growth we have seen over the past decade is a slight of hand. It's neither real nor sustainable. Bottom line is that the Chinese government has gotten themselves into hock over make work projects with questionable economic value because they hqve to create so many new jobs every year in order to avoid social unrest. But it is not sustainable.
Now lets move on to the African, South American and Australian economies that are largely built around exporting raw materials to the US, Europe and China. What do you think is gonna happen when all of the induatrialized economies begin to contract?
The point of all of this is to say that future global economic growth is far from certain and in my opinion highly unlikely.
Quote from: arpad on October 29, 2011, 04:06:58 AM
What makes you think lefties have to wait for the world to become perfect before they'll try to fuck it up out of sheer boredom?
Remember, the world revolves around lefties, as far as lefties are concerned. So the only difference between real issues that should be addressed and phony issues promoted out of sheer boredom is in how they see themselves.
The issue's always secondary and the roll of the lefty is always primary.
Wanna be a Hero for the Planet? Wanna be a soldier in the fight for civil rights in 2011? Are you terribly upset that there's hunger in the wealthiest nation on Earth?
All phony issues in which the lefty's role as pocket change Superman is the driving force.
Reminds me very much of that little lib side show that used to be on, "Fashion Police".
Two wannabe rich libs that felt they had an obligation to correct fashion fauxpaus where ever they could find it, that is until they went to a farm and became overwhelmed.
Maybe we just need to overwhelm these dolts?
Quote from: Dan on October 29, 2011, 04:41:28 AM
Because the "prosperity" of the last 30+ years where so many people have been uplifted is a mirage based on a series of easy money bubbles that are utterly unsustainable. In the US we have the securitization bubble which led to the housing bubble which is prompting deficit spending paid for by the fed who are creqting their very own easy money bubble by diluting the dollar. And it will all sorta work until the value of the dollar drops and that bubble pops too. Bottom line is that current levels of US consumption are not sustainable given our level of productivity.
And Europe's easy money bubble was soverign debt. They supported unsustainable levels of consumption with countless govt jobs at unrealistic pay and benefits. But now that bubble is popping. Bottom line is that European stqndqrds of living are going to drop alomg with their consumption levels.
Now lets move on to China. Their rasy mojey bubble is debt too. Federal, state and local debt is 80% of Chinese GDP. Not to mention the massive debt on the balance sheets if Chinese banks that should have been written off under any sane accounting standards. Bottom line, much of the Chinese growth we have seen over the past decade is a slight of hand. It's neither real nor sustainable. Bottom line is that the Chinese government has gotten themselves into hock over make work projects with questionable economic value because they hqve to create so many new jobs every year in order to avoid social unrest. But it is not sustainable.
Now lets move on to the African, South American and Australian economies that are largely built around exporting raw materials to the US, Europe and China. What do you think is gonna happen when all of the induatrialized economies begin to contract?
The point of all of this is to say that future global economic growth is far from certain and in my opinion highly unlikely.
Its true Dan, the economy is very much intertwined.
I see the global economy like a giant slinky, one group pulling another along, once all catch up, they push the front forward one more time and the slinky takes another step forward.
The slinky just reached the bottom of the stairs.
It will require the US market to pull the rest of the body slinky along.
It will be a slow process at first, but once it starts, I have no doubt, it will lurch forward with the greatest of momentum.
Once our economy recovers, the World will take a deep collective breath of relief and the tensions around the globe will ease off a bit, working people don't have the time to protest.
Quote from: Solar on October 29, 2011, 08:48:39 AM
Reminds me very much of that little lib side show that used to be on, "Fashion Police".
Two wannabe rich libs that felt they had an obligation to correct fashion fauxpaus where ever they could find it, that is until they went to a farm and became overwhelmed.
Maybe we just need to overwhelm these dolts?
Overcome them? There's no way to do that. There are admirable human traits and not-so-admirable human traits. A representative form of government limits what can be done about those not-so-admirable traits to where they result in actions that infringe the rights of others.
So lefties must be born like a chronic, but rarely fatal, medical condition; you want to try to keep it in check but not at the cost of your health.
If it helps, I think they're losing, they have been losing for some time and that the realization that they're losing is starting to become hard for lefties to ignore.
Dan, you had me scratching my head for a while with "Now lets move on to China. Their rasy mojey bubble is debt too."
Took me a bit to ferret out that "rasy mojey" was a creative misspelling of "easy money".
Normally I wouldn't dream of commenting on someone's spelling because that's when Muphry's law (snarky remarks about spelling inevitably have spelling errors in them) kicks in but it took me a couple of minutes to figure out what you'd intended to write.
Quote from: arpad on October 29, 2011, 10:16:23 AM
Overcome them? There's no way to do that. There are admirable human traits and not-so-admirable human traits. A representative form of government limits what can be done about those not-so-admirable traits to where they result in actions that infringe the rights of others.
So lefties must be born like a chronic, but rarely fatal, medical condition; you want to try to keep it in check but not at the cost of your health.
If it helps, I think they're losing, they have been losing for some time and that the realization that they're losing is starting to become hard for lefties to ignore.
Dan, you had me scratching my head for a while with "Now lets move on to China. Their rasy mojey bubble is debt too."
Took me a bit to ferret out that "rasy mojey" was a creative misspelling of "easy money".
Normally I wouldn't dream of commenting on someone's spelling because that's when Muphry's law (snarky remarks about spelling inevitably have spelling errors in them) kicks in but it took me a couple of minutes to figure out what you'd intended to write.
:))
Over come? No, overwhelm.
But I too had to figure out easy money, I too hit the
wromg keys, all due to the fact that I wore out the keys and can no longer remember where to put my over sized fingers. :-[
Quote from: Solar on October 29, 2011, 10:54:13 AM
:))
Over come? No, overwhelm.
But I too had to figure out easy money, I too hit the wromg keys, all due to the fact that I wore out the keys and can no longer remember where to put my over sized fingers. :-[
LOL White out will help.
Quote from: walkstall on October 29, 2011, 12:18:27 PM
LOL White out will help.
To a point, its getting hard to see through the glass on my monitor. ;)
Quote from: Solar on October 29, 2011, 12:25:12 PM
To a point, its getting hard to see through the glass on my monitor. ;)
So thats my problem, I should be looking at my monistor and not out the window. :))
My prediction (what I think likely, not my ideal vision):
Romney wins 50-48, with third parties picking up more votes than usual; the House remains about the same; 4 seats swing R in the Senate; and we pick up 6 more houses of the state legislatures.
After the election, the economy will begin to recover because business will come out of its defensive crouch. New Federal hiring will be frozen, many of Obama's economic executive orders will go away. Obamacare will be pared down to a shadow.
At the same time, I don't think Romney connects well with voters and his popularity will be soft. I also think he'll sell us out on immigration, at the least.
"popularity will be soft"?
As to the rest of the prediction, it seems credible to me. Romney's not my first choice but he's got a pretty steady 25% or thereabouts who like him and that might be his base to take the primary. Being less distinctly conservative he'd be harder to portray as a baby-eating neocon although it wouldn't be for want of trying.
In the Senate there are 23 Democratic and independent seats up for reelection and 10 Repubs.
A lot of how the Senate goes will be dependent, just as the presidency, on the state of the economy and the momentum of the Tea Party movement. As much as I'd like to see a re-ignition of the anger and enthusiasm that vaulted the Tea Party movement to national prominence in the 2010, right now I'm not seeing it. Maybe closer to the election.
Actually the senate is about as sure of a thing as Lindsey Lohan on a booze and vicodin bender.
Way more Democrat Senate seats are coming up for reelection than Republican seats and many of these Democrat seats are in more conservative states. It's mathmatically improbable that we don't retake the senate even if everything goes to hell for republicans over the next year.
As well as Cain is doing in the polls he is gonna have to win either Iowa or Florida early to stay in the race. Mitt has just about sewn up New Hampshire. If Mitt somehow or another wins Iowa (he is polling second) then he walks away with the nomination. If Cain wins Iowa and Mitt wins New Hampshire then we have a horse race.
Mitt has the organization and Cain has the tea party. Sort of a ready made organization of sorts even if it is more or less informal.
It'll be fun to watch either way.
I predict Obama will get another term. Economy will stay slow or get worse. Republicans will get in after his two terms is up. You guys will blame all the future mistakes done by republicans on Obama's 8 years in office.
The cycle will continue and nothing will be solved. The system will stay in place.
Also, air strikes will start on Iran with heavy sanctions as well. We will probably get attacked 9/11 style again and wonder why people hate us so much. Than ground invasion will beguin.
Unemployment will never be the same again. We got use to 5 -6 % unemployment as the norm, now we will accept 9-10 %.
Leftard sez....
QuoteWe will probably get attacked 9/11 style again and wonder why people hate us so much. Th[e]n ground invasion will begin.
Ground invasion of the U.S.? Being a world superpower seriously irritates the left, doesn't it, sonny? How dare America be better than anyone else!
I'll expect you'll keep a candle lit in your window, for the return of Marx and Lenin...or the Saracen horde.
Any nitwit who thinks we are going to be threatened by a ground invasion obviously has no idea about the logistical requirements of keeping troops supplied during combat thousands of miles away from their borders. Only a handful of countries have the capacity to keep even a few thousand soldiers in a sustained fight thousands of miles from their home. Australia, the UK, France and maybe a few others I'm missing. None of those could keep enough in a sustained fight to seriously threaten our borders even assuming they could get through our air force, navy and nuclear deterent.
Once we eventually do get things like charter schools and voucher programs going and we are able to break the left's monopoly on primary and secondary education then you are going to see a lot more children growing up conservative.
When they spend more time learning things like math and civics instead of about Johnnie's two mommies then the younger generation will move more and more to the right. When kids start learning more about Washington and Jefferson and Adams and Madison and less about Cino de mayo and George Washington Carver (a great man but not really in the same class with the founding fathers) then you will start seeing more young people speak about politics and the future of the nation from an informed position.
When that public education bubble finally pops it's gonna mean the end of the American left as we know it.
Fox was just throwing turds at the wall to see what would stick. More looking to get a rise out of someone then anything else. The notion of an invasion, in the classic military sense, of the continental U.S. is just too silly to bother with.
Now, since you've been so injudicious as to mention the "s" word - "school", here's my prediction for the future of education - stop me if you've heard this joke before.
Charter caps are going to be raised. In Michigan there's a measure in the Senate to remove the charter cap. Good bye Detroit Public School district which has 30% of the kids in the district going to charters now.
Some districts will respond but most won't. The organizational arthritis is just too advanced so the districts, to try to protect themselves, will run to the legislature. But something funny will happen as the number of charters increases - someone will notice that charter schools are notably cheaper to operate then district schools and produce superior results educationally.
Some bright, young legislator will put two and two together and law will be passed easing the dissolution of financially non-viable school districts. What will happen to the taxing authority of the school district you ask?
Good question and inquiring minds, and grasping hands, will want to know. All those municipal employees rioting in Wisconsin will see a new pot of gold coming within reach and "education reform" will pick up a bunch of enthusiastic friends.
Next year the first school district will be dissolved. I don't know when the last school district will be dissolved but the public education system as it's currently constituted will look very different within five years.
Quote from: arpad on November 16, 2011, 07:16:09 PM
Fox was just throwing turds at the wall to see what would stick. More looking to get a rise out of someone then anything else. The notion of an invasion, in the classic military sense, of the continental U.S. is just too silly to bother with.
Now, since you've been so injudicious as to mention the "s" word - "school", here's my prediction for the future of education - stop me if you've heard this joke before.
Charter caps are going to be raised. In Michigan there's a measure in the Senate to remove the charter cap. Good bye Detroit Public School district which has 30% of the kids in the district going to charters now.
Some districts will respond but most won't. The organizational arthritis is just too advanced so the districts, to try to protect themselves, will run to the legislature. But something funny will happen as the number of charters increases - someone will notice that charter schools are notably cheaper to operate then district schools and produce superior results educationally.
Some bright, young legislator will put two and two together and law will be passed easing the dissolution of financially non-viable school districts. What will happen to the taxing authority of the school district you ask?
Good question and inquiring minds, and grasping hands, will want to know. All those municipal employees rioting in Wisconsin will see a new pot of gold coming within reach and "education reform" will pick up a bunch of enthusiastic friends.
Next year the first school district will be dissolved. I don't know when the last school district will be dissolved but the public education system as it's currently constituted will look very different within five years.
Would be nice if I could see this in my life time. 8-)
I was actually referring to American ground invasion of Iran, not the other way around.
Quote from: redlom xof on November 16, 2011, 09:00:26 PM
I was actually referring to American ground invasion of Iran, not the other way around.
Oh. Then you should make sure what you write doesn't presuppose the ability on the part of your readers to read your mind or an inclination to do so.
Walks, the pieces are already in place to upend the public education system and the process is in progress. I really don't see any stopping it although it could take longer then I predict if the public education lobby manages to pull together and pull out all the stops. But even then all they'll only buy themselves a little time.
There are forces at work, political, economic and technological, that'll make business as usual impossible for the public education system. The proponents of business as usual are still in the "determined ignorance" phase of the response since the threat's still fairly small in size. But the forces driving the changes are, I believe, unstoppable.
You wrote words, but they don't mean anything.
redlom, either write in clear English --- or be immediately brought to account for your wording, by those who do.
Maybe we should start a "English as a second language" board? :))
I'll try to type in more simple english for some of you simple folk out there.
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Also, air strikes will start on Iran with heavy sanctions as well. We will probably get attacked 9/11 style again and wonder why people hate us so much. Then ground invasion will beguin.
It wasn't that hard to comprehend.
Quote from: redlom xof on November 22, 2011, 07:02:29 PM
I'll try to type in more simple english for some of you simple folk out there.
It wasn't that hard to comprehend.
Or we could just wait for Iran to build a nuke to attack Israel and make things 100 times worse.
I think this one is a no-brainer...
So America and Israel have every right to build thousands of nukes ... but Iran can't build one ?
Also, don't you think we could be falling for the same tactics again as we did with Iraq ? Scare the shit out of us all so we accept military action against yet another country.
Also, where is this money going to come from ?
Quote from: redlom xof on November 22, 2011, 07:28:06 PM
So America and Israel have every right to build thousands of nukes ... but Iran can't build one ?
No, they cannot!
You probably aren't old enough to remember when Iranian radicals abducted Terry Waight as part of 50 hostages held in Iran (thank you Carter), but Amadimawod was one of the leaders of that group.
The guy hates freedom, or anything to do with the West.
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Also, don't you think we could be falling for the same tactics again as we did with Iraq ? Scare the shit out of us all so we accept military action against yet another country.
Why do you assume it would result in full blown war?
QuoteAlso, where is this money going to come from ?
How about we start with the arts, PBS, Planned Parent hood, the list is long, but I'm sure we could cut enough to take out Iran's nuke capabilities and feed the homeless here at home for many years, with money left over.
QuoteYou probably aren't old enough to remember when Iranian radicals abducted Terry Waight as part of 50 hostages held in Iran (thank you Carter), but Amadimawod was one of the leaders of that group.
The guy hates freedom, or anything to do with the West.
America and the west have done far worse in the last 60 years.
I'll agree with you, that thier regime hates most things we consider freedom. Could you show me evidence of where he hates anything to do with the West.
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Why do you assume it would result in full blown war?
Because that's our most of our past conflicts have escalated to.
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How about we start with the arts, PBS, Planned Parent hood, the list is long, but I'm sure we could cut enough to take out Iran's nuke capabilities and feed the homeless here at home for many years, with money left over.
I would prefer we helped Americans with their education, medical bills and other such things than spend billions on another failed pre-emptive war.
Quote from: redlom xof on November 22, 2011, 08:36:12 PM
America and the west have done far worse in the last 60 years.
I'll agree with you, that thier regime hates most things we consider freedom. Could you show me evidence of where he hates anything to do with the West.
I should rephrase that, he hates all things liberals hold dear.
Which has always puzzled me, if he hates so much of what you hold dear, why do you and all the other libs support muscum?
If sharia law were to be the law of the land, liberalism would be outlawed.
Ever thought about that?
QuoteBecause that's our most of our past conflicts have escalated to.
I would prefer we helped Americans with their education, medical bills and other such things than spend billions on another failed pre-emptive war.
Or we could do as Ron Paul wants, and pull all troops back within our borders?
Lets be realistic, there are people out there looking to be on top, a position we currently hold.
Your choice, number 1, or be dictated to by another despot.
Quote from: redlom xof on November 22, 2011, 07:02:29 PM
"I'll try to type in more simple english for some of you simple folk out there. "
Sentence construction like that sort of undercuts the implied claim of smartosity.
So who is this pea-brain? Rytis?
For those not in on THAT joke, rytis is a blatantly ungrateful Lithuanian immigrant who would make burned toast look smart.
This dunce is surely on that level, but probably not Our Boy.
QuoteSentence construction like that sort of undercuts the implied claim of smartosity.
How so ?
Quote from: quiller on November 23, 2011, 08:35:11 AM
For those not in on THAT joke, rytis is a blatantly ungrateful Lithuanian immigrant who would make burned toast look smart.
This dunce is surely on that level, but probably not Our Boy.
I don't see his rooster so I think your right. :))
And you were right, elsewhere, with "Climate change."
I reallyreallyreallyREALLY tried to come up with a topper, and couldn't.
Quote from: redlom xof on November 23, 2011, 06:57:44 PM
How so ?
Way off-topic, but your name is obviously "Fox Mulder" misspelled backwards. Why is that?
Quote from: MFA on November 26, 2011, 04:37:30 PM
Way off-topic, but your name is obviously "Fox Mulder" misspelled backwards. Why is that?
He's an invaginate? ;)
Hey, redlom. What's YOUR definition of "invaginate"....? :))
I'm going out on a limb here with a prediction.
Cain said "suspend" his campaign. Is this a hint that he just might work to clear his name and then jump back in the race?
Consider this, he hires a crew of detectives to do some serious digging.
All these women think the heat is off and just might open up in conversation with the right person, in turn spilling the beans.
Take the latest one claiming an affair, maybe someone can get her to admit more in confidence that nothing actually occurred, but that she was paid to come forward?
I know, this is all speculation, but if I was Cain, that is exactly what I would do.
Quote from: Solar on December 03, 2011, 07:19:13 PM
I'm going out on a limb here with a prediction.
Cain said "suspend" his campaign. Is this a hint that he just might work to clear his name and then jump back in the race?
Consider this, he hires a crew of detectives to do some serious digging.
All these women think the heat is off and just might open up in conversation with the right person, in turn spilling the beans.
Take the latest one claiming an affair, maybe someone can get her to admit more in confidence that nothing actually occurred, but that she was paid to come forward?
I know, this is all speculation, but if I was Cain, that is exactly what I would do.
All I can say is that if it were me I would be going after each one of them Until I found where the money was coming from then nail each one of them.
Quote from: walkstall on December 03, 2011, 07:52:53 PM
All I can say is that if it were me I would be going after each one of them Until I found where the money was coming from then nail each one of them.
All I can say is, it might be that the women are not lying. Because if they were, and you were Cain, why would you bow out?
On the other hand, I don't know why a little peter pulling should keep a viable candidate out of the race. In Cain's case, I have ceased to believe he is a viable candidate, though.
Quote from: elmerfudd on December 12, 2011, 01:25:38 PM
All I can say is, it might be that the women are not lying. Because if they were, and you were Cain, why would you bow out?
On the other hand, I don't know why a little peter pulling should keep a viable candidate out of the race. In Cain's case, I have ceased to believe he is a viable candidate, though.
I am not Cain, but as I said I would go after them. They all sound like they were all after money to me.
Why settle for a few dollars
IF you were right in the first place.
Quote from: walkstall on December 12, 2011, 02:06:41 PM
I am not Cain, but as I said I would go after them. They all sound like they were all after money to me. Why settle for a few dollars IF you were right in the first place.
A better question is: why drop out of a race based on false accusations? Anybody with no more spine than that doesn't need to be in the White House. The kitchen is going to get a lot hotter than a few false accusations. He would best stay out of it if he folds his cards this easily.
Quote from: elmerfudd on December 13, 2011, 03:26:28 PM
A better question is: why drop out of a race based on false accusations? Anybody with no more spine than that doesn't need to be in the White House. The kitchen is going to get a lot hotter than a few false accusations. He would best stay out of it if he folds his cards this easily.
Why put yourself and your family through all that if there is no way you can win?
Why wreck your marriage, leaving your wife fair game for the jackal media, if you did stay in the race? How many of us here could withstand a frenzy like the one sliming Cain, and Palin, and Bachmann? I could not subject my wife to that.
Quote from: quiller on December 14, 2011, 07:18:43 AM
Why wreck your marriage, leaving your wife fair game for the jackal media, if you did stay in the race? How many of us here could withstand a frenzy like the one sliming Cain, and Palin, and Bachmann? I could not subject my wife to that.
Why would lies about unfaithfulness wreck his marriage? The only problem with Palin and Bachmann is they are not credible candidates. Apparently neither was Cain. But if Obama is "toast," as so many have claimed in this forum, then any 'pub can beat him, right?
Quote from: elmerfudd on December 14, 2011, 07:53:37 AM
Why would lies about unfaithfulness wreck his marriage? The only problem with Palin and Bachmann is they are not credible candidates. Apparently neither was Cain. But if Obama is "toast," as so many have claimed in this forum, then any 'pub can beat him, right?
You do realize, he has only suspended his campaign?
He said as long as his wife was behind him, he would run, but maybe its his wife that can't take the pressure?
In my book, a mans family always comes first, but I guess you don't see it that way, in your mind, political ambition over rules values.
Nice going Fudd...
Quote from: elmerfudd on December 14, 2011, 07:53:37 AM
Why would lies about unfaithfulness wreck his marriage? The only problem with Palin and Bachmann is they are not credible candidates. Apparently neither was Cain. But if Obama is "toast," as so many have claimed in this forum, then any 'pub can beat him, right?
How are they not credible?
Quote from: taxed on December 14, 2011, 01:04:41 PM
How are they not credible?
I want to let the country know that when Fudd and I had sex with that sheep, he refused to use a condom.
Not that I can prove it, but the accusation is more important than the facts to back it up.
Thats about how credible these women are, mere allegations, no proof whatsoever!
Quote from: Solar on December 14, 2011, 01:11:00 PM
I want to let the country know that when Fudd and I had sex with that sheep, he refused to use a condom.
Not that I can prove it, but the accusation is more important than the facts to back it up.
Thats about how credible these women are, mere allegations, no proof whatsoever!
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Quote from: taxed on December 14, 2011, 01:04:41 PM
How are they not credible?
Ms. Palin is a dingbat. Ms. Bachmann is not a dingbat, but the pubs know that she makes Obama look like presidential material by comparison. They can't admit it, of course, so they're just hoping she'll go away of her own accord, like St. Sarah did.
As to the "put family first" comment of another poster, nobody who even thinks about running for the Oval Office puts his family first. One cannot have a family first mindset and run for that office. My experience is that most people who claim to put family first, even when not running for office, don't really do it, anyway. They just like to pretend. Kind of like the Newt. He would probably tell you, with a straight face, that he has put all three of his wives and families first at one point or another.
Quote from: elmerfudd on December 14, 2011, 01:22:05 PM
Ms. Palin is a dingbat.
She can write, speak, and articulate herself. Why don't you try to do the same in regards to backing up your argument that she is a dingbat?
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Ms. Bachmann is not a dingbat, but the pubs know that she makes Obama look like presidential material by comparison. They can't admit it, of course, so they're just hoping she'll go away of her own accord, like St. Sarah did.
Bachmann would wipe the floor with Hussein.
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As to the "put family first" comment of another poster, nobody who even thinks about running for the Oval Office puts his family first. One cannot have a family first mindset and run for that office. My experience is that most people who claim to put family first, even when not running for office, don't really do it, anyway. They just like to pretend. Kind of like the Newt. He would probably tell you, with a straight face, that he has put all three of his wives and families first at one point or another.
So, if they do put family first, or don't, they are in the same boat? Try to make a valid point.
Quote from: elmerfudd on December 14, 2011, 01:22:05 PM
Ms. Palin is a dingbat. Ms. Bachmann is not a dingbat, but the pubs know that she makes Obama look like presidential material by comparison. They can't admit it, of course, so they're just hoping she'll go away of her own accord, like St. Sarah did.
As to the "put family first" comment of another poster, nobody who even thinks about running for the Oval Office puts his family first. One cannot have a family first mindset and run for that office. My experience is that most people who claim to put family first, even when not running for office, don't really do it, anyway. They just like to pretend. Kind of like the Newt. He would probably tell you, with a straight face, that he has put all three of his wives and families first at one point or another.
This is why your claim to conservatism is a sham, only a true Conservative would understand family values and morals.
We know where your wife stands in your life....
Quote from: Solar on December 14, 2011, 01:33:45 PM
This is why your claim to conservatism is a sham, only a true Conservative would understand family values and morals.
We know where your wife stands in your life....
Pffft. Celebrated 36 years of wedded bliss recently, to the only woman I have ever been married to. Haven't so much as held hands with another woman since the day I said "I do." I know a lot more about family values and morals than most alleged "true Conservatives."
Quote from: elmerfudd on December 14, 2011, 01:55:35 PM
Pffft. Celebrated 36 years of wedded bliss recently, to the only woman I have ever been married to. Haven't so much as held hands with another woman since the day I said "I do." I know a lot more about family values and morals than most alleged "true Conservatives."
Cain says the same thing... except he's been married longer than you.
Quote from: taxed on December 14, 2011, 01:56:58 PM
Cain says the same thing... except he's been married longer than you.
and he's lying.
Quote from: elmerfudd on December 14, 2011, 01:55:35 PM
Pffft. Celebrated 36 years of wedded bliss recently, to the only woman I have ever been married to. Haven't so much as held hands with another woman since the day I said "I do." I know a lot more about family values and morals than most alleged "true Conservatives."
And yet you are so certain Cain broke his vows.
This says more about you and your suspicions.
Those that don't trust in relationships, are generally untrustworthy.
Quote from: Solar on December 14, 2011, 02:07:24 PM
And yet you are so certain Cain broke his vows.
This says more about you and your suspicions.
Those that don't trust in relationships, are generally untrustworthy.
Yes, I am pretty sure Cain broke his vows. My experience has been that those who proclaim family values and marital fidelity the loudest and most frequently are generally the worst offenders in both areas. Those who actually observe family values and marital fidelity really don't have to talk about it much. They just do it and there is, therefore, no basis for any accusations. But that's based on my experience. Yours may differ.
Quote from: elmerfudd on December 15, 2011, 02:20:19 PM
Yes, I am pretty sure Cain broke his vows. My experience has been that those who proclaim family values and marital fidelity the loudest and most frequently are generally the worst offenders in both areas. Those who actually observe family values and marital fidelity really don't have to talk about it much. They just do it and there is, therefore, no basis for any accusations. But that's based on my experience. Yours may differ.
Quote from: elmerfudd on December 14, 2011, 01:55:35 PM
Pffft. Celebrated 36 years of wedded bliss recently, to the only woman I have ever been married to. Haven't so much as held hands with another woman since the day I said "I do." I know a lot more about family values and morals than most alleged "true Conservatives."
Cheater!
So Fuddy's proof is his own "experience".
Liberals are fun. Dumber than dirt but fun.
Quote from: elmerfudd on December 15, 2011, 02:20:19 PM
Yes, I am pretty sure Cain broke his vows. My experience has been that those who proclaim family values and marital fidelity the loudest and most frequently are generally the worst offenders in both areas. Those who actually observe family values and marital fidelity really don't have to talk about it much. They just do it and there is, therefore, no basis for any accusations. But that's based on my experience. Yours may differ.
Oh I see, kind of like your claim? ::)
Take note, I see no reason to proclaim my faithfulness, my actions speak louder than
lies words.
Quote from: elmerfudd on December 14, 2011, 01:55:35 PM
Pffft. Celebrated 36 years of wedded bliss recently, to the only woman I have ever been married to. Haven't so much as held hands with another woman since the day I said "I do." I know a lot more about family values and morals than most alleged "true Conservatives."
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 15, 2011, 03:19:49 PM
So Fuddy's proof is his own "experience".
Liberals are fun. Dumber than dirt but fun.
When you run with dogs, its hard to proclaim you aren't a dog.
Like mom always said, you are judged by your friends, so one can assume from his statement he hangs with libs.
Quote from: Solar on December 15, 2011, 04:28:15 PM
When you run with dogs, its hard to proclaim you aren't a dog.
Like mom always said, you are judged by your friends, so one can assume from his statement he hangs with libs.
I find it very comforting that you members of the lunatic right wing fringe are in such a minority. Restores my faith in mankind.
Quote from: elmerfudd on December 16, 2011, 09:26:26 AM
I find it very comforting that you members of the lunatic right wing fringe are in such a minority. Restores my faith in mankind.
Hey, if the flea collar fits...
This is where you and I differ, you have no issue with destroying our culture, conservatives on the other hand want to preserve it.
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Quote from: elmerfudd on December 16, 2011, 09:26:26 AM
I find it very comforting that you members of the lunatic right wing fringe are in such a minority. Restores my faith in mankind.
Is that the best you have Fuddy? Are you not capable of posting anything substantive?
Quote from: elmerfudd on December 14, 2011, 01:55:35 PM
Pffft. Celebrated 36 years of wedded bliss recently, to the only woman I have ever been married to. Haven't so much as held hands with another woman since the day I said "I do." I know a lot more about family values and morals than most alleged "true Conservatives."
So you base your claims on personal experience. Okay then I claim that you are a phony and my proof is me telling you a story about my fishing trip to Seattle.
Idiot.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 16, 2011, 04:44:42 PM
So you base your claims on personal experience. Okay then I claim that you are a phony and my proof is me telling you a story about my fishing trip to Seattle.
Idiot.
Don't forget the story about the Dungeness Crab also, on that fishing trip.
I predict the next one will be Santorum to rise to the top of the heap.
if you want true change you are going to have to fix congress first .....just follow me here for a minute.......the president can serve only 2 terms (8 years max), rep's and senate.....as long as the people allow them to and that is the problem......most of the men and women up there have been the 15 plus years.....that's where our problem is....that needs to be the focus.......removing some of the people there. being a political hack i have seen just about enough debates to know i am not impressed with any of or current lot of people running for the highest office in the land......but think closely who represents you in your districts and the senate......look back on what they have done in the past few years......has it been helpful......did it help you personally...did it make the county better.....and lastly.....did your 401k produce like it should......."THINK ABOUT IT BEFORE YOU RESPOND".....let me put it another way.....lets say you own a company and you been in charge for 20 years and good ole sonny boy graduates from college and comes home work for dear old dad......he starts wanting to make changes that will benefit the company in the short term but maximize long term growth for the future.......dear old dad ain't(southern slang) gonna have none of it.....you know why......because dad don't want to change just like congress don't........you fix that problem first......it don't matter who the president is......because they will keep who ever is there in check.......it's not about term limits folks.......LOL !!! WE WILL FIND BIGFOOT BEFORE THAT HAPPENS......trade your members in every few years....then things will get done..........
Hmmmm... b o is doing a lot without congress. (going around congress and using executive orders.) So a lot can be done in 8 years even if you change congress.
Quote from: mystuff9800 on January 01, 2012, 04:19:28 PM
if you want true change you are going to have to fix congress first .....just follow me here for a minute.......the president can serve only 2 terms (8 years max), rep's and senate.....as long as the people allow them to and that is the problem......most of the men and women up there have been the 15 plus years.....that's where our problem is....that needs to be the focus.......removing some of the people there. being a political hack i have seen just about enough debates to know i am not impressed with any of or current lot of people running for the highest office in the land......but think closely who represents you in your districts and the senate......look back on what they have done in the past few years......has it been helpful......did it help you personally...did it make the county better.....and lastly.....did your 401k produce like it should......."THINK ABOUT IT BEFORE YOU RESPOND".....let me put it another way.....lets say you own a company and you been in charge for 20 years and good ole sonny boy graduates from college and comes home work for dear old dad......he starts wanting to make changes that will benefit the company in the short term but maximize long term growth for the future.......dear old dad ain't(southern slang) gonna have none of it.....you know why......because dad don't want to change just like congress don't........you fix that problem first......it don't matter who the president is......because they will keep who ever is there in check.......it's not about term limits folks.......LOL !!! WE WILL FIND BIGFOOT BEFORE THAT HAPPENS......trade your members in every few years....then things will get done..........
Welcome to the forum Mystuff.
What you pretty much described is what the Tea party is all about, throwing out the trash.
But I must point out, I didn't send my Congressman to DC to do things for me, I sent him there because I want him to do things that are best for the Country, screw the individual, thats not what our Gov is supposed to do.
Quote from: walkstall on January 01, 2012, 04:45:18 PM
Hmmmm... b o is doing a lot without congress. (going around congress and using executive orders.) So a lot can be done in 8 years even if you change congress.
Bingo Walks!!!
Using Czars as if Congress doesn't even exist.
Expect a lot of numbers skewing in the coming months to make it look like the unemployment rate is going down. The media has it's marching orders...
The administration has already told what the numbers will be coming up to the election. Watch the media make sure it happens.
Iowa was last night.
Perry camp pulled a trick and made it look like he was stepping down, but he's not.
Perry will be the nominee, especially when the libs and everyone starts tearing into Mormonism.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 02, 2012, 02:09:02 PM
Expect a lot of numbers skewing in the coming months to make it look like the unemployment rate is going down. The media has it's marching orders...
The administration has already told what the numbers will be coming up to the election. Watch the media make sure it happens.
And so it begins, good call Bert!!
The U.S. unemployment rate unexpectedly fell to 8.5 percent last month as job creation was more robust than expected, providing continued signs that the nation's labor market is improving gradually.
Growth in manufacturing jobs helped offset a loss in government positions, while wages edged higher and the length of the work week also lengthened a bit.
The unemployment rate — a hotly contested number because of the rise in potential workers who have quit looking for jobs — has fallen 0.6 percentage points since August.
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Okay, I admit that I'm a little more left then most of you. So take my predictions with a large grain of salt.
Obama will retain the Presidency. Prejudice against mittens and rejection of social conservative restrictions on birth control will stop many in their tracks. Perry is viewed at present as a buffoon. After 8 years of that RINO Bush in office, no one wants a new one.
Republicans will retain the House, maybe even increase the majority.
Democrats will lose the majority in the Senate but it will not be ruled by conservatives. Stalemate will be the rule of the day.
There will be 4 more years of dysfunctional federal government owned by and run by special interests.
The American Voters will realize that under the rules established by the constitution, there isn't anyway to drain the swamp. The Congress will continue to be corrupt and will corrupt all new electees. Deterioration of the financial well being of the government and the middle class will bring more discontent.
At some point, the American public is going to want to drain the swamp. This isn't allowed for under the constitution so force may be involved. We live under a police state and things will get messy in that senario. I'm old enough that I hope I'm gone when and if this occurs.
Prediction? Look for there to be widespread, and I mean widespread election fraud. If hussein would happen to lose the election, look for there to be.........let's give it the sugar-coated term of....massive 'civil disobedience'.
Quote from: Possumpoint on January 07, 2012, 02:07:47 PM
Okay, I admit that I'm a little more left then most of you. So take my predictions with a large grain of salt.
Obama will retain the Presidency. Prejudice against mittens and rejection of social conservative restrictions on birth control will stop many in their tracks. Perry is viewed at present as a buffoon. After 8 years of that RINO Bush in office, no one wants a new one.
Republicans will retain the House, maybe even increase the majority.
Democrats will lose the majority in the Senate but it will not be ruled by conservatives. Stalemate will be the rule of the day.
There will be 4 more years of dysfunctional federal government owned by and run by special interests.
The American Voters will realize that under the rules established by the constitution, there isn't anyway to drain the swamp. The Congress will continue to be corrupt and will corrupt all new electees. Deterioration of the financial well being of the government and the middle class will bring more discontent.
At some point, the American public is going to want to drain the swamp. This isn't allowed for under the constitution so force may be involved. We live under a police state and things will get messy in that senario. I'm old enough that I hope I'm gone when and if this occurs.
Trust me young man. I have lived 30 years past what I thought I would. The way thing are going, you should live even longer then me. lol Last week I parked in a senior parking spot. When I got out of the car an officer said that parking area was for senior only. I ask how old do you need to be to be a senior. He said 65 and older so you will have to move. I said I am way past 65 and started to walk away. He ask me for my I D. LOL [/font]
Quote from: MAC Man on January 07, 2012, 03:57:35 PM
Prediction? Look for there to be widespread, and I mean widespread election fraud. If hussein would happen to lose the election, look for there to be.........let's give it the sugar-coated term of....massive 'civil disobedience'.
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I don't expect any issues when he loses, he has lost the rock star appeal, people expect him to lose.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 02, 2012, 02:09:02 PM
Expect a lot of numbers skewing in the coming months to make it look like the unemployment rate is going down. The media has it's marching orders...
The administration has already told what the numbers will be coming up to the election. Watch the media make sure it happens.
CBS Perpetuating the big lie of economic improvement.
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Quote from: Possumpoint on January 07, 2012, 02:07:47 PM
Okay, I admit that I'm a little more left then most of you. So take my predictions with a large grain of salt.
Obama will retain the Presidency. Prejudice against mittens and rejection of social conservative restrictions on birth control will stop many in their tracks. Perry is viewed at present as a buffoon. After 8 years of that RINO Bush in office, no one wants a new one.
Republicans will retain the House, maybe even increase the majority.
Democrats will lose the majority in the Senate but it will not be ruled by conservatives. Stalemate will be the rule of the day.
There will be 4 more years of dysfunctional federal government owned by and run by special interests.
The American Voters will realize that under the rules established by the constitution, there isn't anyway to drain the swamp. The Congress will continue to be corrupt and will corrupt all new electees. Deterioration of the financial well being of the government and the middle class will bring more discontent.
At some point, the American public is going to want to drain the swamp. This isn't allowed for under the constitution so force may be involved. We live under a police state and things will get messy in that senario. I'm old enough that I hope I'm gone when and if this occurs.
I want to get it over with.
As I predicted in Reply #208, that Santorum would rise to the top of the heap (like turds floating in a toilet).
Rick will see a sudden drop in his numbers when the truth about his Rinoism is exposed.
His voting recored is not one of a true Conservative, but rather a Bush big Government RINO.
I give him a nice ride for the week and then vanish into obscurity.
Quote from: Solar on January 08, 2012, 04:34:20 PM
As I predicted in Reply #208, that Santorum would rise to the top of the heap (like turds floating in a toilet).
Rick will see a sudden drop in his numbers when the truth about his Rinoism is exposed.
His voting recored is not one of a true Conservative, but rather a Bush big Government RINO.
I give him a nice ride for the week and then vanish into obscurity.
Voted against right-to-work? I mean, really???
Quote from: walkstall on January 07, 2012, 04:16:43 PM
Trust me young man. I have lived 30 years past what I thought I would. The way thing are going, you should live even longer then me. lol Last week I parked in a senior parking spot. When I got out of the car an officer said that parking area was for senior only. I ask how old do you need to be to be a senior. He said 65 and older so you will have to move. I said I am way past 65 and started to walk away. He ask me for my I D. LOL [/font]
Thanks for the young man quip but at 65 I don't feel that young.
Quote from: taxed on January 09, 2012, 12:11:20 AM
Voted against right-to-work? I mean, really???
Ya know?
I swear, he rose to the top quickly only because no one really knew about him, but the guy is nearly a Bush clone, a kinder gentler POS believing RINO.
His real base of support is the Religious right, those that vote based on the fact that he is a Christian.
Once the word gets out about his voting record, he will be gone.
Quote from: Solar on January 07, 2012, 05:41:25 PM
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I don't expect any issues when he loses, he has lost the rock star appeal, people expect him to lose.
Yeah, I don't expect any issues either Solar, good point. There won't be. The way elections are done though, if you think about it, there is so much room for fraud and setting up elections results. The way the media is so for the Community Organizer, its kind of scary what could possibly happen. I mean, we would never know, but if he wins again, people need to start making plans for their future in this country and how to pretty much stay alive. It will be bad times, so lets hope he doesn't win or else......
Quote from: The Scholar on January 16, 2012, 12:40:51 PM
Yeah, I don't expect any issues either Solar, good point. There won't be. The way elections are done though, if you think about it, there is so much room for fraud and setting up elections results. The way the media is so for the Community Organizer, its kind of scary what could possibly happen. I mean, we would never know, but if he wins again, people need to start making plans for their future in this country and how to pretty much stay alive. It will be bad times, so lets hope he doesn't win or else......
If, and I mean if, he wins, we can blame the majority of the problem with the RINO.
Of course the typical 30% fraud on the left which is always counted in the finally tally, but the RINO will have to accept full blame for ignoring what the base actually wants.
Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2012, 12:46:11 PM
If, and I mean if, he wins, we can blame the majority of the problem with the RINO.
Of course the typical 30% fraud on the left which is always counted in the finally tally, but the RINO will have to accept full blame for ignoring what the base actually wants.
Thats completely true Solar. I mean, there are ZERO amounts of true conservatives out there. And if he wins, it will be the moderates faults, which is all of them. No one is a true conservative and thats hurting the Republican party in general. That also gives more power to the libs in general and gives that party a stronger headway. And you have to remember. I know the libs have no logic, but whoever gets into the nominee spot will have to be prepared to get a mouthful of arguments from him and his staff. I just hope whoever wins can pull it off. I pray.
Quote from: The Scholar on January 16, 2012, 03:42:48 PM
Thats completely true Solar. I mean, there are ZERO amounts of true conservatives out there. And if he wins, it will be the moderates faults, which is all of them. No one is a true conservative and thats hurting the Republican party in general. That also gives more power to the libs in general and gives that party a stronger headway. And you have to remember. I know the libs have no logic, but whoever gets into the nominee spot will have to be prepared to get a mouthful of arguments from him and his staff. I just hope whoever wins can pull it off. I pray.
SHHHH!!!
Don't tell anyone, but I really don't care if Hussein wins.
If he does, he will keep the RINIO so busy, they won't be able to help their cronie supporters.
If a RINO wins, they will be able to push more crap like corn subsidies for ethanol..
Point is, it really doesn't matter if Hussein wins, he won't be able to push his agenda, since we will take both Houses anyway.
I've written this out in length and will be posting it at a later date.
Quote from: Solar on January 16, 2012, 04:36:40 PM
SHHHH!!!
Don't tell anyone, but I really don't care if Hussein wins.
If he does, he will keep the RINIO so busy, they won't be able to help their cronie supporters.
If a RINO wins, they will be able to push more crap like corn subsidies for ethanol..
Point is, it really doesn't matter if Hussein wins, he won't be able to push his agenda, since we will take both Houses anyway.
I've written this out in length and will be posting it at a later date.
Well I'll be looking forward to reading it. I mean, he has worked his way around congress and the houses already not caring a flip about constitutionality, so what would stop him in the future? So to me a RINO is better than a dictator. I mean, like you said we will control both houses anyways, so the Republican's agenda will still be followed through no matter what. I just don't want that sorry of a man representing this country I am so proud to call my home. It's a disgrace and an insult to my family and all generations of families in the country. So, no, I do care if he wins. If he wins, he will find a way to carry out his hidden agenda no matter what.
I predict it will be dark by nightfall...
I have absolutely no idea how things will shake out by this November. The one thing I am sure of is, if the msm has its way Mitten the Kitten will have the nomination and Barry Boy will kick his butt. Then proceed through executive orders and such to continue his march to a Euro style socialist system.
We keep the house and get a vote or two majority in the senate.
I truly can't believe that people in this country can see a way of life slipping away before their eyes and not care who the heck is running the show.
American Idol must have something I'm missing..
Quote from: taxed on January 04, 2012, 09:03:48 AM
Iowa was last night.
Perry camp pulled a trick and made it look like he was stepping down, but he's not.
Perry will be the nominee, especially when the libs and everyone starts tearing into Mormonism.
taxed: 0 for 1
Quote from: boxlock on January 19, 2012, 09:13:31 AM
I have absolutely no idea how things will shake out by this November. The one thing I am sure of is, if the msm has its way Mitten the Kitten will have the nomination and Barry Boy will kick his butt. Then proceed through executive orders and such to continue his march to a Euro style socialist system.
Hey, Canada barely felt the recession compared to us. They had no housing bubble, no banking crisis.
The Heritage foundation even thinks that Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Canada, all have a better economy and business climate than the US does.
How is it that "Euro style socialist" countries could rate that well??
You also ignore the facts.
Obama has turned our failing economy around, from 18 months of negative GDP and 4+million jobs lost under the Bush administration, to the past several years of positive growth and millions of jobs created.
He has created more jobs than Bush ever did, just in his first years.
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/10/08/its-official-more-private-sector-jobs-created-in-2010-than-during-entire-bush-years/ (http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/10/08/its-official-more-private-sector-jobs-created-in-2010-than-during-entire-bush-years/)
We would be crazy to go back to the "trickle down" disaster plan of the GOP. Hasn't worked in the past 30 years, why will it work this time.
The only big claim to fame the GOP presidents have is raising the debt.
Ronny tripled it, Herbert doubled it (in one term) and GW Bush added 76% before handing the mess off to Obama!
Grow a pair guys and face facts. GOP owns this disaster. AND they are going to pay!
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on January 23, 2012, 08:31:09 PM
Hey, Canada barely felt the recession compared to us. They had no housing bubble, no banking crisis.
The Heritage foundation even thinks that Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Canada, all have a better economy and business climate than the US does.
How is it that "Euro style socialist" countries could rate that well??
You also ignore the facts.
Obama has turned our failing economy around, from 18 months of negative GDP and 4+million jobs lost under the Bush administration, to the past several years of positive growth and millions of jobs created.
He has created more jobs than Bush ever did, just in his first years.
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/10/08/its-official-more-private-sector-jobs-created-in-2010-than-during-entire-bush-years/ (http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/10/08/its-official-more-private-sector-jobs-created-in-2010-than-during-entire-bush-years/)
We would be crazy to go back to the "trickle down" disaster plan of the GOP. Hasn't worked in the past 30 years, why will it work this time.
The only big claim to fame the GOP presidents have is raising the debt.
Ronny tripled it, Herbert doubled it (in one term) and GW Bush added 76% before handing the mess off to Obama!
Grow a pair guys and face facts. GOP owns this disaster. AND they are going to pay!
Government jobs don't count yo.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on January 23, 2012, 08:31:09 PM
Hey, Canada barely felt the recession compared to us. They had no housing bubble, no banking crisis.
The Heritage foundation even thinks that Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Canada, all have a better economy and business climate than the US does.
How is it that "Euro style socialist" countries could rate that well??
You also ignore the facts.
Obama has turned our failing economy around, from 18 months of negative GDP and 4+million jobs lost under the Bush administration, to the past several years of positive growth and millions of jobs created.
He has created more jobs than Bush ever did, just in his first years.
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/10/08/its-official-more-private-sector-jobs-created-in-2010-than-during-entire-bush-years/ (http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/10/08/its-official-more-private-sector-jobs-created-in-2010-than-during-entire-bush-years/)
We would be crazy to go back to the "trickle down" disaster plan of the GOP. Hasn't worked in the past 30 years, why will it work this time.
The only big claim to fame the GOP presidents have is raising the debt.
Ronny tripled it, Herbert doubled it (in one term) and GW Bush added 76% before handing the mess off to Obama!
Grow a pair guys and face facts. GOP owns this disaster. AND they are going to pay!
C'mon mate, not even Oprah's buying that load of tripe.
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Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on January 23, 2012, 08:31:09 PM
Hey, Canada barely felt the recession compared to us. They had no housing bubble, no banking crisis.
The Heritage foundation even thinks that Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Canada, all have a better economy and business climate than the US does.
How is it that "Euro style socialist" countries could rate that well??
You also ignore the facts.
Obama has turned our failing economy around, from 18 months of negative GDP and 4+million jobs lost under the Bush administration, to the past several years of positive growth and millions of jobs created.
He has created more jobs than Bush ever did, just in his first years.
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/10/08/its-official-more-private-sector-jobs-created-in-2010-than-during-entire-bush-years/ (http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/10/08/its-official-more-private-sector-jobs-created-in-2010-than-during-entire-bush-years/)
We would be crazy to go back to the "trickle down" disaster plan of the GOP. Hasn't worked in the past 30 years, why will it work this time.
The only big claim to fame the GOP presidents have is raising the debt.
Ronny tripled it, Herbert doubled it (in one term) and GW Bush added 76% before handing the mess off to Obama!
Grow a pair guys and face facts. GOP owns this disaster. AND they are going to pay!
You really bought that load of shit?
Gov jobs are nothing more than fluff.
Take Solyndra for example, the jobs under this gov propped up company could be considered private sector, but you and I both know that would be a lie, since it was stolen tax dollars that created the jobs.
Trillions of stolen tax dollars, that is!!!
When Gov is the backer of private sector jobs, these are considered temporary jobs, especially since the so called Green movement was a fraud foist upon the unsuspecting American public, these jobs will come to a screeching halt once funding is cut, the people woke up.
If a business can't stand on its own without gov support, it will die as it should and none of the Green business can stand on their own, not one of them!
Face it, what you posted is nothing but spin to make the Child POTUS look good, but those that can actually think, see it as just more deception from the left, "sleight of hand" so to speak.
Only Obama voters would believe that. They can keep blaming GWB, it will do them no good come the fall. The voters are not going to want to hear excuses this time.
Gingrich/West v. Obama/Biden.
and I agree with Dick Morris, the GOP will have to work hard not to win by forty states.
Nancy Pelosi Prediction......
Pelosi: Gingrich will never be president (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7VHjYIcaII#ws)
Quote from: walkstall on January 24, 2012, 09:41:31 PM
Nancy Pelosi Prediction......
Pelosi: Gingrich will never be president (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7VHjYIcaII#ws)
I had visions of Tony Soprano saying "Eh what da fuck did I just tell you, it isn't going to happen!"
It sounds like she has made a deal with the devil (RINO) and they will make Mitten the candidate...
As I remember she also said she would not lose control of the House.
Quote from: walkstall on January 24, 2012, 09:41:31 PM
Nancy Pelosi Prediction......
Pelosi: Gingrich will never be president (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7VHjYIcaII#ws)
NowPelosi hints, then denies she has Gingrich secrets.more @
http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20120125/US.Pelosi.Gingrich/ (http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20120125/US.Pelosi.Gingrich/)
I know why she said what she said, its because they have a deal with Mitt to make him the chosen one, she tells the media to go after Newt and handle Mitten with Kid gloves.
That's why she can't divulge her secret, that really isn't a secret, but rather it would be an admittance of their ownership of the leftist media.
So you guys hear the news about the GDP UP 2.8% in the fourth quarter!
unemployment down!
AND how about the increase in exports! Big increase over the last administration.
OH and manufacturing levels are also high.
(Problem is we make MORE product with LESS workers due to automation.)
10 straight months of growth since the stimulus took hold!
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/g17/current/ (http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/g17/current/)
Oh and Pelosi is right. Gingrich can NEVER be president.
I would dance a jig on main street if he gets the nomination, but sadly, that won't happen.
He's unelectable just like Ron Paul.
SO, let's recap.
The last year and a half of the Bush administration, the GDP was declining and jobs disappearing at an alarming rate.
Obama gets in office, turns things around and gives us the last 10 months of positive GDP, (go look it up)
manufacturing is way up,
exports is way up
new trade agreements with 3 new countries
knocks the crap out of AL Queada
and unemployment is dropping
wide spread attacks on unions
threats on Medicare ans SS
AND you think the GOP is going to win??
The only ones believing the GOP line are die hard GOP faithful!
Independents are NOT going to see it your way, nor are the unionized, elderly, black, Hispanic, liberal, students, Occupy folks, 99% folks.
You got a big hill to climb.
How is it you think "trickle down" is still viable?
Your response to my last post didn't have much factual info.
Ranting and insulting is not the way to change the hearts of the independent and lets face it, they are the ones who make and election.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on January 29, 2012, 10:50:53 AM
So you guys hear the news about the GDP UP 2.8% in the fourth quarter!
unemployment down!
AND how about the increase in exports! Big increase over the last administration.
OH and manufacturing levels are also high.
(Problem is we make MORE product with LESS workers due to automation.)
10 straight months of growth since the stimulus took hold!
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/g17/current/ (http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/g17/current/)
Oh and Pelosi is right. Gingrich can NEVER be president.
I would dance a jig on main street if he gets the nomination, but sadly, that won't happen.
He's unelectable just like Ron Paul.
SO, let's recap.
The last year and a half of the Bush administration, the GDP was declining and jobs disappearing at an alarming rate.
Obama gets in office, turns things around and gives us the last 10 months of positive GDP, (go look it up)
manufacturing is way up,
exports is way up
new trade agreements with 3 new countries
knocks the crap out of AL Queada
and unemployment is dropping
wide spread attacks on unions
threats on Medicare ans SS
AND you think the GOP is going to win??
The only ones believing the GOP line are die hard GOP faithful!
Independents are NOT going to see it your way, nor are the unionized, elderly, black, Hispanic, liberal, students, Occupy folks, 99% folks.
You got a big hill to climb.
How is it you think "trickle down" is still viable?
Your response to my last post didn't have much factual info.
Ranting and insulting is not the way to change the hearts of the independent and lets face it, they are the ones who make and election.
More spin from the drone.
Of course when GDP is in the dumps under Hussein, its easy to have an increase, but he still racked up the largest debt of all Presidents combined.
Under bush it was 3.3% GDP and the libs claimed it was a recession, so I guess using lib fuzzy math, were in a depression?
Quote from: Solar on January 29, 2012, 11:14:49 AM
More spin from the drone.
Of course when GDP is in the dumps under Hussein, its easy to have an increase, but he still racked up the largest debt of all Presidents combined.
Under bush it was 3.3% GDP and the libs claimed it was a recession, so I guess using lib fuzzy math, were in a depression?
I can see you do NO research what so ever!
Here try this
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth (http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth)
Bush tanked the economy with a record busting MINUS 6.8%.
We do NOT need to "claim" is was a recession, it WAS a recession that entire world felt!
What planet you live on.
Those GOP glasses are very rosy!
You fail to understand that the economy is growing under Obama.
check out the link I gave you.
Oh and the "More debt than all the Presidents" line??
Seriously, YOU need to do a little research before you just blurt out your ignorance.
GW still holds that honor
Did you hear the new proposed budget in under 800 billion?
He just keeps cutting it down from that 1.4 trillion that YOUR president GW gave him.
How is it you do not blame your own party for the 1.7 trillion added to the debt in the first GW tax cut
or the trillions added with the 2 needless wars??
Why do you ignore the history of the GOP debt creators?
Until now, the only presidents that did major debt increase were Republicans!!
You should look that up too, before you respond!
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on January 29, 2012, 11:59:36 AM
I can see you do NO research what so ever!
Here try this
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth (http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth)
Bush tanked the economy with a record busting MINUS 6.8%.
We do NOT need to "claim" is was a recession, it WAS a recession that entire world felt!
What planet you live on.
Those GOP glasses are very rosy!
You fail to understand that the economy is growing under Obama.
check out the link I gave you.
Oh and the "More debt than all the Presidents" line??
Seriously, YOU need to do a little research before you just blurt out your ignorance.
GW still holds that honor
Did you hear the new proposed budget in under 800 billion?
He just keeps cutting it down from that 1.4 trillion that YOUR president GW gave him.
How is it you do not blame your own party for the 1.7 trillion added to the debt in the first GW tax cut
or the trillions added with the 2 needless wars??
Why do you ignore the history of the GOP debt creators?
Until now, the only presidents that did major debt increase were Republicans!!
You should look that up too, before you respond!
From your link: Not so rosy, is it?
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What budget? You libs never produced a budget under Hussein.
But lets compare a bit, shall we?
Under Bush, who I happen to disdain by the way, he is not a Conservative, but check out the totals.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year_spending_2008USbf_13bs1n_H0#usgs302 (http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year_spending_2008USbf_13bs1n_H0#usgs302)
Now look at Hussein's numbers.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/US_fed_spending_pie_chart (http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/US_fed_spending_pie_chart)
And again under Bush.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/breakdown_2008USrt_13rs5n (http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/breakdown_2008USrt_13rs5n)
and now under your Messiah.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/breakdown (http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/breakdown)
You see, bush was a total lib, yet your socialist in chief is breaking the bank.
You do realize that all his Green BS is coming back to bite him and us as well in the ass, all that money stolen from the treasury and wasted on solar and useless cars was nothing but a pipe dream, yet not a peep out of people like you, why is that?
Quote from: Just_NO_facts_mamm on January 29, 2012, 10:50:53 AM
So you guys hear the news about the GDP UP 2.8% in the fourth quarter!
unemployment down!
AND how about the increase in exports! Big increase over the last administration.
How exactly has Hussein increased exports? Make this one good, please.
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OH and manufacturing levels are also high.
(Problem is we make MORE product with LESS workers due to automation.)
We should still be listening to 8-track tapes? What is your logic?
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10 straight months of growth since the stimulus took hold!
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/g17/current/ (http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/g17/current/)
Yeah, it's really skyrocketing. Any growth is in spite of Hussein.
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Oh and Pelosi is right. Gingrich can NEVER be president.
I would dance a jig on main street if he gets the nomination, but sadly, that won't happen.
He's unelectable just like Ron Paul.
Don't be so sure about Hussein getting re-elected... not as many felons, dead people, and illegals are voting this year. If left to real Americans, it will be a sweep.
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SO, let's recap.
The last year and a half of the Bush administration, the GDP was declining and jobs disappearing at an alarming rate.
After the Dems took over in 2006, yes, things went to crap, and Bush turned into a total lib.
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Obama gets in office, turns things around
Much like the Captain of the Titanic turned things around...
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and gives us the last 10 months of positive GDP, (go look it up)
manufacturing is way up,
If you call that growth, sure.
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exports is way up
Hussein had nothing to do with it. Feel free to prove otherwise.
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new trade agreements with 3 new countries
Even though he campaigned against free trade agreements. I guess someone told him they would hurt the US, so he gave in.
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knocks the crap out of AL Queada
Like when he delayed and "slept on" the decision to go after Bin Laden? If left to Hussein, Bin Laden would still be watching porn and making video tapes...
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and unemployment is dropping
What planet are you living in? This solidifies that fact that libs, like yourself, are incapable of conceptualizing basic economics.
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wide spread attacks on unions
Removing a parasite from it's host is not an attack on the parasite.
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threats on Medicare ans SS
Where? How?
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AND you think the GOP is going to win??
You mean like in November 2010?
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The only ones believing the GOP line are die hard GOP faithful!
Well, anyone really.
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Independents are NOT going to see it your way, nor are the unionized, elderly, black, Hispanic, liberal, students, Occupy folks, 99% folks.
Hussein has the independent vote? Ok....
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You got a big hill to climb.
The country has looked at marxism in the face, and are scared of it. It will be a landslide for <insert Hussein opponent here> out of fear alone.
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How is it you think "trickle down" is still viable?
Because we know employers and people with money tend to spend it. It really isn't that hard of a concept. Ask Buffet's secretary.
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Your response to my last post didn't have much factual info.
Ranting and insulting is not the way to change the hearts of the independent and lets face it, they are the ones who make and election.
Independents, overall, are just undecided on who they will vote for against Hussein.
Quote from: Just_NO_facts_mamm on January 29, 2012, 11:59:36 AM
I can see you do NO research what so ever!
Here try this
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth (http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth)
Bush tanked the economy with a record busting MINUS 6.8%.
We do NOT need to "claim" is was a recession, it WAS a recession that entire world felt!
What planet you live on.
Those GOP glasses are very rosy!
You fail to understand that the economy is growing under Obama.
check out the link I gave you.
Oh and the "More debt than all the Presidents" line??
Seriously, YOU need to do a little research before you just blurt out your ignorance.
GW still holds that honor
Did you hear the new proposed budget in under 800 billion?
He just keeps cutting it down from that 1.4 trillion that YOUR president GW gave him.
How is it you do not blame your own party for the 1.7 trillion added to the debt in the first GW tax cut
or the trillions added with the 2 needless wars??
Why do you ignore the history of the GOP debt creators?
Until now, the only presidents that did major debt increase were Republicans!!
You should look that up too, before you respond!
I love how libs cry "Bush" when they talk about how Bush ran up the tab with the Democrats after 2006, while praising Obama for doing it far beyond what Bush could have done.
SO, I see denial of reality is you guys answer to an improving economy and the GOP's total lack of a plan.
Here is another reason the GOP is not electable.
A bill introduced in the SPRING, to cut the subsidies on BIG OIL, by Robert Menendez D-NJ
S.940 - Close Big Oil Tax Loopholes Act
this bill to end oil company subsidy was blocked by EVERY republican and 3 Democrats.
So which party is for the oil companies and big business??? GOP!
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s940/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s940/show)
go this link and see who they are!
This is WHY the GOP are not to be trusted!
Quote from: Just_NO_facts_mamm on January 29, 2012, 08:06:50 PM
SO, I see denial of reality is you guys answer to an improving economy and the GOP's total lack of a plan.
You can't even make your case. How about starting there?
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on January 29, 2012, 08:09:38 PM
Here is another reason the GOP is not electable.
A bill introduced in the SPRING, to cut the subsidies on BIG OIL, by Robert Menendez D-NJ
S.940 - Close Big Oil Tax Loopholes Act
this bill to end oil company subsidy was blocked by EVERY republican and 3 Democrats.
So which party is for the oil companies and big business??? GOP!
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s940/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s940/show)
go this link and see who they are!
This is WHY the GOP are not to be trusted!
What did I say about backing up claims and responding to replies?
You were given several replies with facts and answers and all you do is come back with a question, this is not called debating, but rather baiting.
Now you come back with the myth of big Oil, do you have any clue as to how much of the oil industry is still open to the public sector in the world?
Three freakin percent.
In my response I used your site to show you your claims were pretty much BS when put in context, then I asked you to explain why you were ignoring all the failures of this administration, and you come back with this?
He has made a complete mess of our economy, a somehow a trillion dollars vanished through theft and so called green energy BS, which the term Green is rooted in communism.
You have two options, tuck tail and run, or stand and debate point for point, the choice is yours and I suggest you start here!
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on January 29, 2012, 08:09:38 PM
Here is another reason the GOP is not electable.
A bill introduced in the SPRING, to cut the subsidies on BIG OIL, by Robert Menendez D-NJ
S.940 - Close Big Oil Tax Loopholes Act
this bill to end oil company subsidy was blocked by EVERY republican and 3 Democrats.
So which party is for the oil companies and big business??? GOP!
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s940/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s940/show)
go this link and see who they are!
This is WHY the GOP are not to be trusted!
So oil subsidies are the what Americans are thinking about. Not the economy. Not unemployment. But oil subsidies.
Hilarious.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on January 29, 2012, 08:09:38 PM
Here is another reason the GOP is not electable.
A bill introduced in the SPRING, to cut the subsidies on BIG OIL, by Robert Menendez D-NJ
S.940 - Close Big Oil Tax Loopholes Act
this bill to end oil company subsidy was blocked by EVERY republican and 3 Democrats.
So which party is for the oil companies and big business??? GOP!
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s940/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s940/show)
go this link and see who they are!
This is WHY the GOP are not to be trusted!
Hardly...
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/trust_on_issues (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/trust_on_issues)
Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 30, 2012, 06:49:55 AM
Hardly...
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/trust_on_issues (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/trust_on_issues)
wow Boo man, that certainly disproved my post about cutting tax loopholes for big business.
The conservative Rasmussen poll certainly proves nothing, except that many Americans live day to day with their heads in the sand.
Wait til info like the loop hole bill comes out in debates!
AND YES, I think the general population IS concerned that we are in a budget hole yet oil companies and big business, still get tax rebates AND not one GOP member of the senate was for ending it!
here's another great GOP plan.
S.1738 - Economic Growth and Jobs Protection Act of 2011
another GOP bill to reduce the capital gains tax by 3%. That's going to help the deficit!!
You guys do remember that the top tax rate was over 80% until Reagan came in (who tripled the national debt!!)
our economy was booming then, but now you just chant "cut taxes, cut taxes". Like that worked in the past 30 years!
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s1738/actions_votes (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s1738/actions_votes)
AND another
H.R.3012 - Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act
To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to eliminate the per-country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, to increase the per-country numerical limitation for family-sponsored immigrants, and for other purposes
Sponsored by a Republican, to allow corporations to bring in engineers and scientists who will work CHEAPER than US counterparts. So this is an anti unemployment bill.
Good for corporations BAD for Americans
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3012/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3012/show)
and another
HR 2021
is a bill to get around the CLEAN AIR act so they can drill in the continental shelf.
(that's where all our fish come from!)
You remember They did campaign on the JOBS, JOBS, JOBS, JOBS, platform!
BUT, they have no job creation bills!
They need to wait for the economy to crash again so they can get their greedy little hands on the congress again!
solar want's some answers to his point by point responses to me.
QuoteQuote from: Just_NO_facts_mamm on January 29, 2012, 10:50:53 AM
So you guys hear the news about the GDP UP 2.8% in the fourth quarter!
unemployment down!
AND how about the increase in exports! Big increase over the last administration.
solar's response:
How exactly has Hussein increased exports? Make this one good, please.
Well solar, since he gets blame for job loss and creation, due to the mere fact he is in office, he gets the same credit for exports being UP, just by being in office.
can't have it both ways my conservative little friend.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/balance-of-trade (http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/balance-of-trade)
as you can see by the link. exports were in the crapper as BUSH left office and they have grown ever since. CREDIT Obama!
Quote
OH and manufacturing levels are also high.
(Problem is we make MORE product with LESS workers due to automation.)
SOLAR's response:
We should still be listening to 8-track tapes? What is your logic?
THIS was a factual response??
My logic is "even though manufacturing is at a high level, due to automation less WORKERS are needed.
So in other words unemployment is still high even though manufacturing is HIGH as well.
Not sure what your "8 tack" quote is supposed to PROVE.
Quote
10 straight months of growth since the stimulus took hold!
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/g17/current/ (http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/g17/current/)
Solars response:
Yeah, it's really skyrocketing. Any growth is in spite of Hussein.
SO that's a factual response?? Here you proceed to ignore the data and just put it down to "dumb luck"
same deal here solar, if Obama gets the blame for the economy, he gets the credit for the GROWTH in the economy!!
I know hypocrisy is the mantra of the conservative, but if we are going to have a FACTUAL debate, YOU need to provide facts!
I will get to the rest of your lengthy (but vacant of fact) response later, but we liberals have a job!
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on January 31, 2012, 09:48:58 AM
wow Boo man, that certainly disproved my post about cutting tax loopholes for big business.
The conservative Rasmussen poll certainly proves nothing, except that many Americans live day to day with their heads in the sand.
Wait til info like the loop hole bill comes out in debates!
AND YES, I think the general population IS concerned that we are in a budget hole yet oil companies and big business, still get tax rebates AND not one GOP member of the senate was for ending it!
First you say the voters have their heads in the sand. then you say they are concerned about the budget hole. Which is it?
Quotehere's another great GOP plan.
S.1738 - Economic Growth and Jobs Protection Act of 2011
another GOP bill to reduce the capital gains tax by 3%. That's going to help the deficit!!
You guys do remember that the top tax rate was over 80% until Reagan came in (who tripled the national debt!!)
our economy was booming then, but now you just chant "cut taxes, cut taxes". Like that worked in the past 30 years!
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s1738/actions_votes (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s1738/actions_votes)
LOL!!!!
So you are not aware that the money subject to Capital Gains tax has already been taxed-usually at the corporate rate.
QuoteAND another
H.R.3012 - Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act
To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to eliminate the per-country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, to increase the per-country numerical limitation for family-sponsored immigrants, and for other purposes
Sponsored by a Republican, to allow corporations to bring in engineers and scientists who will work CHEAPER than US counterparts. So this is an anti unemployment bill.
Good for corporations BAD for Americans
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3012/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3012/show)
you haven't explain why it is good for corporations and bad for America. Oh and by the way. Democrats support the bill.
Quoteand another
HR 2021
is a bill to get around the CLEAN AIR act so they can drill in the continental shelf.
(that's where all our fish come from!)
really? All the fish? If we don't drill there someone else will so it makes no difference environmentally.
QuoteYou remember They did campaign on the JOBS, JOBS, JOBS, JOBS, platform!
BUT, they have no job creation bills!
Nope none. None at all.....except for the 25 passed in the House and stalled in the Democrat controlled Senate.
here are a few to get you started
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h10/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h10/show)
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3094/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3094/show)
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3010/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3010/show)
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h527/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h527/show)
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h2930/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h2930/show)
QuoteThey need to wait for the economy to crash again so they can get their greedy little hands on the congress again!
How mature. Anyway you have a habit of telling us the GOP bills are bad but you never explain why or go into any detail. this must be a new way of debate that I was not previously aware of.
Quote from: Just_NO_facts_mamm on January 31, 2012, 09:48:58 AM
wow Boo man, that certainly disproved my post about cutting tax loopholes for big business.
What is a "tax loophole"? Do you know, or is it some concept you read on Kos?
Quote
The conservative Rasmussen poll
Who was the most accurate in the 2008 election?
Quote
certainly proves nothing, except that many Americans live day to day with their heads in the sand.
What does that say about your poll?
Quote
Wait til info like the loop hole bill comes out in debates!
Give us a preview.
Quote
AND YES, I think the general population IS concerned that we are in a budget hole yet oil companies and big business, still get tax rebates AND not one GOP member of the senate was for ending it!
You have your talking points switched around. Conservatives want zero government subsidies for business. Bailouts, etc., are liberal policies. So are tax rebates -- conservatives want companies to simply just keep their earned money.
Quote
here's another great GOP plan.
S.1738 - Economic Growth and Jobs Protection Act of 2011
Stop posting references to bills that you have no idea about - bad or good.
Quote
another GOP bill to reduce the capital gains tax by 3%. That's going to help the deficit!!
You should learn what capital gains are, and how they affect people. Hopefully someday you may have to pay capital gains -- that's the best way to learn.
Quote
You guys do remember that the top tax rate was over 80% until Reagan came in (who tripled the national debt!!)
The cold-war defense spending wasn't cheap.
Quote
our economy was booming then, but now you just chant "cut taxes, cut taxes". Like that worked in the past 30 years!
Any time taxes have been cut, prosperity increases. It is a very simple concept.
Quote
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s1738/actions_votes (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s1738/actions_votes)
AND another
H.R.3012 - Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act
To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to eliminate the per-country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants, to increase the per-country numerical limitation for family-sponsored immigrants, and for other purposes
Sponsored by a Republican, to allow corporations to bring in engineers and scientists who will work CHEAPER than US counterparts. So this is an anti unemployment bill.
Good for corporations BAD for Americans
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3012/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3012/show)
and another
HR 2021
is a bill to get around the CLEAN AIR act so they can drill in the continental shelf.
(that's where all our fish come from!)
You remember They did campaign on the JOBS, JOBS, JOBS, JOBS, platform!
BUT, they have no job creation bills!
They need to wait for the economy to crash again so they can get their greedy little hands on the congress again!
How about this: instead of posting a bunch of stuff you have no idea about in one post, why not start new threads about stuff you know nothing about? That way, we can address your points easier. I know this is a tactic so people don't bother responding since it is too much to respond to, and you get your propaganda out there, but you are encouraged to put your intellect on the table and discuss issues individually.
Is that a possibility?
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on January 31, 2012, 10:26:35 AM
solar want's some answers to his point by point responses to me.
solar's response:
How exactly has Hussein increased exports? Make this one good, please.
Well solar, since he gets blame for job loss and creation, due to the mere fact he is in office, he gets the same credit for exports being UP, just by being in office.
can't have it both ways my conservative little friend.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/balance-of-trade (http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/balance-of-trade)
as you can see by the link. exports were in the crapper as BUSH left office and they have grown ever since. CREDIT Obama!
SOLAR's response:
We should still be listening to 8-track tapes? What is your logic?
THIS was a factual response??
My logic is "even though manufacturing is at a high level, due to automation less WORKERS are needed.
So in other words unemployment is still high even though manufacturing is HIGH as well.
Not sure what your "8 tack" quote is supposed to PROVE.
Solars response:
Yeah, it's really skyrocketing. Any growth is in spite of Hussein.
SO that's a factual response?? Here you proceed to ignore the data and just put it down to "dumb luck"
same deal here solar, if Obama gets the blame for the economy, he gets the credit for the GROWTH in the economy!!
I know hypocrisy is the mantra of the conservative, but if we are going to have a FACTUAL debate, YOU need to provide facts!
I will get to the rest of your lengthy (but vacant of fact) response later, but we liberals have a job!
I suggest you go back and read the last page, you totally ignore what I asked, then attributed other responses to me. I said none of that.
Quote
My post as follows: Reply #247
You see, bush was a total lib, yet your socialist in chief is breaking the bank.
You do realize that all his Green BS is coming back to bite him and us as well in the ass, all that money stolen from the treasury and wasted on solar and useless cars was nothing but a pipe dream, yet not a peep out of people like you, why is that?
Now, try and answer the question.
Keep in mind, Bush had nothing to do with the Green movement which has its roots in communism, this is all Hussein's doing and its not only making energy costs increase dramatically, but breaking us as well.
I think he bailed....
Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 31, 2012, 04:24:31 PM
I think he bailed....
Yep, its easy posting opinion pieces or partial data to bolster your case, but when confronted with questions about real issues, they always run away.
Not worry. I do have a life and job.
I don't just hand out dismissive one liners.
and when you throw out a dozen one liners in one post, it's just going to take time.
Quote from: Solar on January 31, 2012, 04:41:47 PM
Yep, its easy posting opinion pieces or partial data to bolster your case, but when confronted with questions about real issues, they always run away.
You wish.
Solar wants detailed answers to his probing questions!
Quote
SO, let's recap.
The last year and a half of the Bush administration, the GDP was declining and jobs disappearing at an alarming rate.
Solars answer:
After the Dems took over in 2006, yes, things went to crap, and Bush turned into a total lib.
There's a question in there?
Well in 2006 is when the housing market started to have trouble and Bush was shipping jobs overseas at a lightening rate. Sure the Dems had the house, but as you guys know (but will not admit) the GOP can block anything they want in the Senate AND they were still in control of the Senate in 2006, SO your point was?
Quote
Obama gets in office, turns things around
Solar's reply:
Much like the Captain of the Titanic turned things around...
This is not a statement that furthers this debate.
But I will elaborate.
The BIG question that voters have to ask themselves IS, the country better off today than the day Obama took office.
You would have to be living with your head in the sand, to not know things have improved a great deal.
Deny reality as much as you like but during the election, FACTS are going to be used.
Facts like:
the millions of jobs created during his term, greater than Bush in his entire term.
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/10/08/its-official-more-private-sector-jobs-created-in-2010-than-during-entire-bush-years/ (http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/10/08/its-official-more-private-sector-jobs-created-in-2010-than-during-entire-bush-years/)
Regardless of whether it was aliens or fate that caused the GDP to grow every quarter since the stimulus took effect, OBAMA will still get credit for it.
Unemployment is not back to pre crash levels, but it does go down each month.
By November, it will be at an electable level.
Quote
and gives us the last 10 months of positive GDP, (go look it up)
manufacturing is way up,
Solar's answer:
If you call that growth, sure.
That's an elaborate response.
At the height of the recession, the GDP was down to minus 6.8%.
So now, our steady 2% plus growth is good.
In case you haven't noticed the rest of the planet's economy is still shaky
Here you can look at the GDP around the world. Our 2-3 % growth in GDP is right in line with all the G 20 countries.
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=66&c=ch&l=en (http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=66&c=ch&l=en)
SO ya, I call that growth.
TOO much growth causes inflation, remember?
Quote
exports are way up
Solar's answer:
Hussein had nothing to do with it. Feel free to prove otherwise.
Ok Solar, stats show this.
http://www.bls.gov/web/ximpim/q.htm (http://www.bls.gov/web/ximpim/q.htm)
clearly we export NOW more than we did at the end of Bush term.
SO, exports are up!
Once again if Obama takes the rap for the "economy" it's an ALL IN deal.
It tanks, it's his fault, it succeeds he get CREDIT!
Unless this is you admitting that your stance is hypocritical,
Obama gets credit for exports going up.
Quote
new trade agreements with 3 new countries
Solars answer:
Even though he campaigned against free trade agreements. I guess someone told him they would hurt the US, so he gave in.
Obama never "gives in".
He considers the information like any smart individual does and makes the choice he feels is best for the country.
I guess this proves that Obama is smart enough to take good advice!
Now that is leadership qualities!
Quote
knocks the crap out of AL Queada
Solar's response:
Like when he delayed and "slept on" the decision to go after Bin Laden? If left to Hussein, Bin Laden would still be watching porn and making video tapes...
So, this again is a terribly factual response.
You prefer the "commander in chief", who attacks a country as opposed alternative methods.
Like your GOP hero, GW, who was offered Osama BY the taliban, if we stopped the invasion.
Bush said NO. That's leadership!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5)
Quoteand unemployment is dropping
Solar's response:
What planet are you living in? This solidifies that fact that libs, like yourself, are incapable of conceptualizing basic economics.
Well Solar, I live in the US. Statistics show I am correct and YOU are deluded conservative incapable of interpreting basic data.
Yes there are still many unemployed, but that does not mean that the rate is not going down. Statistics are on my side. Show me data that shows otherwise.
Quote
wide spread attacks on unions
Solar's response:
Removing a parasite from it's host is not an attack on the parasite.
Solar thinks police, firemen, and teachers are parasites.
So what are people like Romney that buy up companies, strip them of their wealth and fire the employees.
That sounds more like a parasite.
Oh and by the way, the unions are under CONTRACT with governments/cities/counties/corporations.
Contracts that they negotiated with each other. This is America right.
The Land of he who has the biggest pile, wins?
If unions were able to negotiate the contract, they should get it..
Same as corporations should be able to negotiate with you on how little they pay you.
Same difference.
I would agree that many need to be negotiated again,
but getting rid of collective bargaining is DUMB.
Plays right into the corporations hands.
Next you will be telling me that the middle class was not born from UNION jobs.
Quote
threats on Medicare and SS
Solar's response
Where? How?
Man, you do live in a cave.
You remember the budget put out by GOP crazy guy, Paul Ryan??
Name ring a bell?
His budget called for drastic cuts in Medicare and SS programs.
THAT's what scared the elderly!
So not one FACT or link with a fact in your response SOLAR.
I will get around to Taxed and Boo man tomorrow.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on January 31, 2012, 10:16:20 PM
You wish.
Solar wants detailed answers to his probing questions!
Solars answer:
After the Dems took over in 2006, yes, things went to crap, and Bush turned into a total lib.
There's a question in there?
Well in 2006 is when the housing market started to have trouble and Bush was shipping jobs overseas at a lightening rate. Sure the Dems had the house, but as you guys know (but will not admit) the GOP can block anything they want in the Senate AND they were still in control of the Senate in 2006, SO your point was?
Solar's reply:
Much like the Captain of the Titanic turned things around...
This is not a statement that furthers this debate.
But I will elaborate.
The BIG question that voters have to ask themselves IS, the country better off today than the day Obama took office.
You would have to be living with your head in the sand, to not know things have improved a great deal.
Deny reality as much as you like but during the election, FACTS are going to be used.
Facts like:
the millions of jobs created during his term, greater than Bush in his entire term.
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/10/08/its-official-more-private-sector-jobs-created-in-2010-than-during-entire-bush-years/ (http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/10/08/its-official-more-private-sector-jobs-created-in-2010-than-during-entire-bush-years/)
Regardless of whether it was aliens or fate that caused the GDP to grow every quarter since the stimulus took effect, OBAMA will still get credit for it.
Unemployment is not back to pre crash levels, but it does go down each month.
By November, it will be at an electable level.
Solar's answer:
If you call that growth, sure.
That's an elaborate response.
At the height of the recession, the GDP was down to minus 6.8%.
So now, our steady 2% plus growth is good.
In case you haven't noticed the rest of the planet's economy is still shaky
Here you can look at the GDP around the world. Our 2-3 % growth in GDP is right in line with all the G 20 countries.
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=66&c=ch&l=en (http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=66&c=ch&l=en)
SO ya, I call that growth.
TOO much growth causes inflation, remember?
Solar's answer:
Hussein had nothing to do with it. Feel free to prove otherwise.
Ok Solar, stats show this.
http://www.bls.gov/web/ximpim/q.htm (http://www.bls.gov/web/ximpim/q.htm)
clearly we export NOW more than we did at the end of Bush term.
SO, exports are up!
Once again if Obama takes the rap for the "economy" it's an ALL IN deal.
It tanks, it's his fault, it succeeds he get CREDIT!
Unless this is you admitting that your stance is hypocritical,
Obama gets credit for exports going up.
Solars answer:
Even though he campaigned against free trade agreements. I guess someone told him they would hurt the US, so he gave in.
Obama never "gives in".
He considers the information like any smart individual does and makes the choice he feels is best for the country.
I guess this proves that Obama is smart enough to take good advice!
Now that is leadership qualities!
Solar's response:
Like when he delayed and "slept on" the decision to go after Bin Laden? If left to Hussein, Bin Laden would still be watching porn and making video tapes...
So, this again is a terribly factual response.
You prefer the "commander in chief", who attacks a country as opposed alternative methods.
Like your GOP hero, GW, who was offered Osama BY the taliban, if we stopped the invasion.
Bush said NO. That's leadership!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5)
Solar's response:
What planet are you living in? This solidifies that fact that libs, like yourself, are incapable of conceptualizing basic economics.
Well Solar, I live in the US. Statistics show I am correct and YOU are deluded conservative incapable of interpreting basic data.
Yes there are still many unemployed, but that does not mean that the rate is not going down. Statistics are on my side. Show me data that shows otherwise.
Solar's response:
Removing a parasite from it's host is not an attack on the parasite.
Solar thinks police, firemen, and teachers are parasites.
So what are people like Romney that buy up companies, strip them of their wealth and fire the employees.
That sounds more like a parasite.
Oh and by the way, the unions are under CONTRACT with governments/cities/counties/corporations.
Contracts that they negotiated with each other. This is America right.
The Land of he who has the biggest pile, wins?
If unions were able to negotiate the contract, they should get it..
Same as corporations should be able to negotiate with you on how little they pay you.
Same difference.
I would agree that many need to be negotiated again,
but getting rid of collective bargaining is DUMB.
Plays right into the corporations hands.
Next you will be telling me that the middle class was not born from UNION jobs.
Solar's response
Where? How?
Man, you do live in a cave.
You remember the budget put out by GOP crazy guy, Paul Ryan??
Name ring a bell?
His budget called for drastic cuts in Medicare and SS programs.
THAT's what scared the elderly!
So not one FACT or link with a fact in your response SOLAR.
I will get around to Taxed and Boo man tomorrow.
I am going to ask you a question and am not being insulting.
Are you suffering from some form of brain damage, or reading comprehension
Not one of your answers was responded to my question single question, yet you attributed all that to me.
Go back and once more, read what I wrote and try for the third time to answer it.
And one more point, I don't know what little bubble you live in, but even the cBO sees a far bleaker outlook than what you're posting and they actually use facts and figures.
Now read reply #260 and try this again.
Quote from: Solar on February 01, 2012, 04:40:48 AM
I am going to ask you a question and am not being insulting.
Are you suffering from some form of brain damage, or reading comprehension
Not one of your answers was responded to my question single question, yet you attributed all that to me.
Go back and once more, read what I wrote and try for the third time to answer it.
And one more point, I don't know what little bubble you live in, but even the cBO sees a far bleaker outlook than what you're posting and they actually use facts and figures.
Now read reply #260 and try this again.
The post I am responding to is 245! duh
and i notice there is not one link in this post to YOUR facts
THIS is your big question??
QuoteSolars #247 post
You see, bush was a total lib, yet your socialist in chief is breaking the bank.
You do realize that all his Green BS is coming back to bite him and us as well in the ass, all that money stolen from the treasury and wasted on solar and useless cars was nothing but a pipe dream, yet not a peep out of people like you, why is that?
where does one start.
"stolen from the treasury" actually it was money voted on BY congress as part of the stimulus money. SO. stolen, only exists if he did not have authorization. SECONDLY, the loan was started under BUSH administration and finished under Obama. The loan guarantee was approved by the DOE, all Bush staffers at the time.
So "stolen from the treasury" would be YOU distorting the truth, huh.
Quote
The Bush administration was HOT for this company so they could show GREEN jobs come election time in 2008.
"After a few dozen Solyndra hearings like the one in the House today, everyone's going to remember the Bush administration was just as intent to make this loan."
oooh lets repeat that part:
"the Bush administration as well as dozens of venture capitalist and thousands of stock holders were just as intent to make this loan.
all successful loan programs have failures, that the Solyndra venture was barely 1% of the Energy Department's $40 billion clean-energy portfolio, that there will still be over $2 billion in reserves for busted loans no matter how Solyndra shakes out. That's basic economics!"
Read more: http://swampland.time.com/20/09/14/dont-be-fooled-by-the-solyndra-bankruptcy-circus-solar-is-booming/#ixzz1XzOwIECu (http://swampland.time.com/20/09/14/dont-be-fooled-by-the-solyndra-bankruptcy-circus-solar-is-booming/#ixzz1XzOwIECu)
MY peep on the green energy matter is, YES we should be doing this kind of support for green energy projects, The same as we fund other research! That's how America keeps ahead!
My sincerest apologies to SOLAR,
I was responding to TAXED, your post was right above it.
Too much Lib koolaide I guess.
BUT the good news is, I will start on you next.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 01, 2012, 09:24:55 AM
THIS is your big question??
where does one start.
"stolen from the treasury" actually it was money voted on BY congress as part of the stimulus money. SO. stolen, only exists if he did not have authorization. SECONDLY, the loan was started under BUSH administration and finished under Obama. The loan guarantee was approved by the DOE, all Bush staffers at the time.
So yes, this was a theft of treasury when you consider who the recipients were.
But then I imagine you have become numbed to the crony capitalism in the hussein administration.
You do realize we will never see a dime of the money that the Dim party so happily approved (STOLE) from the American people.
So "stolen from the treasury" would be YOU distorting the truth, huh.
MY peep on the green energy matter is, YES we should be doing this kind of support for green energy projects, The same as we fund other research! That's how America keeps ahead!
Bull! Bush refused Solyndra, Hussein owns that along with all the other failed alternative energy projects..
And this was funding research, this was funding business that had no place in the free mkt.
Quote from: Solar on January 29, 2012, 12:24:29 PM
From your link: Not so rosy, is it?
(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tradingeconomics.com%2Fchart.png%3Fs%3Dgdp%2520cqoq%26amp%3Bd1%3D19470101%26amp%3Bd2%3D20120131&hash=a7bbd94539cae4984ba2459671a5d2206a97717c)
Quote from: Solar on January 29, 2012, 12:24:29 PM
What budget? You libs never produced a budget under Hussein.
well here is one. The 2011 budget was enacted on April 15, 2011, as Public Law 112-10, the Department of Defense and Full-Year Continuing Appropriations Act, 2011.
pretty sure something must have been passed to get through 2010.
AND lets remember that it is CONGRESS which includes Dems and GOP that need to WORK TOGETHER to pass a budget.
Yet you cons like to heap the "problem" on Obama.
Quote from: Solar on January 29, 2012, 12:24:29 PM
But lets compare a bit, shall we?
Under Bush, who I happen to disdain by the way, he is not a Conservative, but check out the totals.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year_spending_2008USbf_13bs1n_H0#usgs302 (http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year_spending_2008USbf_13bs1n_H0#usgs302)
Now look at Hussein's numbers.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/US_fed_spending_pie_chart (http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/US_fed_spending_pie_chart)
And again under Bush.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/breakdown_2008USrt_13rs5n (http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/breakdown_2008USrt_13rs5n)
and now under your Messiah.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/breakdown (http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/breakdown)
Again you conservatives like to ignore little details, like paying for Bushes 2 wars, which had NOT been paid for, the fact that Obama was handed a 1.4 trillion deficit budget the day he took office.
A budget presided over by a GOP president and a GOP senate. So don't give me this "the Dems did it" crap. The GOP can stop anything they want in the Senate, as we see on a daily basis, AND they are the minority!
Name a social program "enacted" by Obama to further his socialist programs.
other than the healthcare which I will get to next.
Healthcare is out of control!!
corporate death panels
constant increases
pre-existing condidition exclusions
dropping you when you get sick.
little problems that were not good for americans.
Here is what it DID do for you.
Which of these things do want insurance companies to be able to do to you again?
This bill
Stopped the insurance companies from rejecting you for pre-existing conditions, OR cutting you off because you are too sick (corporate death panels) or have reached your "total payout" limit.
Made A tax break for small business to help them with health care for employees.
Tax credits for 29 million taxpayers to help purchase health insurance.
Expanded Medicaid to include all persons 65 and up, up to 133% of poverty level
Cut prescription costs for Medicare by 50%.
Allows your child to remain on your health care until they are 26
WHAT PART OF THIS DO YOU WANT TO REPEAL???
Quote from: Solar on January 29, 2012, 12:24:29 PM
You see, bush was a total lib, yet your socialist in chief is breaking the bank.
If Bush is a total Lib, who do you think would be a good leader, Hitler, Mussolini, Pinochet?
You a total Libertarian? what?
Quote from: Solar on January 29, 2012, 12:24:29 PM
You do realize that all his Green BS is coming back to bite him and us as well in the ass, all that money stolen from the treasury and wasted on solar and useless cars was nothing but a pipe dream, yet not a peep out of people like you, why is that?
and I already explained my position on the green energy.
Quote from: Solar on January 29, 2012, 12:24:29 PM
From your link: Not so rosy, is it?
(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tradingeconomics.com%2Fchart.png%3Fs%3Dgdp%2520cqoq%26amp%3Bd1%3D19470101%26amp%3Bd2%3D20120131&hash=a7bbd94539cae4984ba2459671a5d2206a97717c)
Oh and this cool graph that shows the economy IMPROVING at the very end but it's kind of small to see.
this is to proves to all, that Obama is doing a good job and the economy is improving nicely!
Thank you
You see that BIG down turn at 2007-8.
Yes that one!
The one that happened under CONSERVATIVE, TRICKLE DOWN policies! all the tax cutting and deregulating the GOP could muster still produced a crash!
AND are you going to sit there and tell me you think John McCain would have done better?
The day before the financial collapse, he is quoted as saying the economy was strong and nothing needed to be done!
That and we would have attacked Iran long ago!
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 01, 2012, 10:04:09 AM
well here is one. The 2011 budget was enacted on April 15, 2011, as Public Law 112-10, the Department of Defense and Full-Year Continuing Appropriations Act, 2011.
pretty sure something must have been passed to get through 2010.
AND lets remember that it is CONGRESS which includes Dems and GOP that need to WORK TOGETHER to pass a budget.
Yet you cons like to heap the "problem" on Obama.
Again you conservatives like to ignore little details, like paying for Bushes 2 wars, which had NOT been paid for, the fact that Obama was handed a 1.4 trillion deficit budget the day he took office.
A budget presided over by a GOP president and a GOP senate. So don't give me this "the Dems did it" crap. The GOP can stop anything they want in the Senate, as we see on a daily basis, AND they are the minority!
Name a social program "enacted" by Obama to further his socialist programs.
other than the healthcare which I will get to next.
Healthcare is out of control!!
corporate death panels
constant increases
pre-existing condidition exclusions
dropping you when you get sick.
little problems that were not good for americans.
Here is what it DID do for you.
Which of these things do want insurance companies to be able to do to you again?
This bill
Stopped the insurance companies from rejecting you for pre-existing conditions, OR cutting you off because you are too sick (corporate death panels) or have reached your "total payout" limit.
Made A tax break for small business to help them with health care for employees.
Tax credits for 29 million taxpayers to help purchase health insurance.
Expanded Medicaid to include all persons 65 and up, up to 133% of poverty level
Cut prescription costs for Medicare by 50%.
Allows your child to remain on your health care until they are 26
WHAT PART OF THIS DO YOU WANT TO REPEAL???
If Bush is a total Lib, who do you think would be a good leader, Hitler, Mussolini, Pinochet?
You a total Libertarian? what?
and I already explained my position on the green energy.
Lets try this, lets not jump all over the place.
How about you try answering what I just posted in 269 and when were done there, we can move on to your idea that the war somehow broke the bank.
But you claimed bush started the loan, I said he didn't, care to back that up?
This is for Boo man.
Sorry Solar, I will double my effort to make sure who I am addressing.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 31, 2012, 10:41:20 AM
here are a few to get you started
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h10/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h10/show)
I have had no time but I looked up this one above. Seriously? That's a job bill?
the bill discription
"to amend chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, to provide that major rules of the executive branch shall have no force or effect unless a joint resolution of approval is enacted into law"
explain to me how this is a jobs bill?
Did you read these first or pull them from Rush's web site, cause THAT'S a mistake.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 31, 2012, 10:41:20 AM
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3094/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3094/show)
ok here is the description of the bill
"Introduced.Workforce Democracy and Fairness Act - Amends the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) to revise requirements for determination by the National Labor Relation Board (NLRB) of an appropriate bargaining unit before an election of collective bargaining representation. "
Once again you want to explain how this is a jobs bill?
A deregulation bill so employers can screw the working man more but does not promote job growth.
You know what promotes job growth, DEMAND for good and services!
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3010/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3010/show)
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h527/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h527/show)
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h2930/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h2930/show)
Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 31, 2012, 10:41:20 AM
How mature. Anyway you have a habit of telling us the GOP bills are bad but you never explain why or go into any detail. this must be a new way of debate that I was not previously aware of.
explain to me how your links above are not exactly what you are complaining about here
and lastly, I posted this
HR 2021
is a bill to get around the CLEAN AIR act so they can drill in the continental shelf.
(that's where all our fish come from!)
You said
Quote from: The Boo Man... on January 31, 2012, 10:41:20 AM
really? All the fish? If we don't drill there someone else will so it makes no difference environmentally.
The point is not that they CAN'T drill there, it is that they still have to abide by clean air and water rules!!!!
The oil companies want the rules lifted to SAVE MONEY, MORE PROFIT.
and so a BP spill happens and the continental shelf is wiped out, SO WHAT! who need fish anyway!
typical narrow minded view point!
I will critique your other JOBS bills, later, but I have to tell you they get crazier.
you best look up some REAL ones, (like they exist)
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 01, 2012, 10:12:40 AM
Oh and this cool graph that shows the economy IMPROVING at the very end but it's kind of small to see.
this is to proves to all, that Obama is doing a good job and the economy is improving nicely!
Thank you
You see that BIG down turn at 2007-8.
Yes, I see it, you mean when the Dims were killing us with all their BS?
Don't forget, Bush had to deal with a Dim Congress,
Quote
Yes that one!
The one that happened under CONSERVATIVE, TRICKLE DOWN policies! all the tax cutting and deregulating the GOP could muster still produced a crash!
AND are you going to sit there and tell me you think John McCain would have done better?
The day before the financial collapse, he is quoted as saying the economy was strong and nothing needed to be done!
That and we would have attacked Iran long ago!
Keep in mind, neither George or Johnny are Conservatives, they are full blown RINO, a group that is helping to destroy the country, just not as fast as the Dims.
Obama Bungles Jobs Numbers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no3DtOP2eQQ#ws)
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 01, 2012, 10:34:28 AM
This is for Boo man.
Sorry Solar, I will double my effort to make sure who I am addressing.
I have had no time but I looked up this one above. Seriously? That's a job bill?
the bill discription
"to amend chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, to provide that major rules of the executive branch shall have no force or effect unless a joint resolution of approval is enacted into law"
explain to me how this is a jobs bill?
Did you read these first or pull them from Rush's web site, cause THAT'S a mistake.
ok here is the description of the bill
"Introduced.Workforce Democracy and Fairness Act - Amends the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) to revise requirements for determination by the National Labor Relation Board (NLRB) of an appropriate bargaining unit before an election of collective bargaining representation. "
Once again you want to explain how this is a jobs bill?
A deregulation bill so employers can screw the working man more but does not promote job growth.
You know what promotes job growth, DEMAND for good and services!
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3010/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3010/show)
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h527/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h527/show)
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h2930/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h2930/show)
explain to me how your links above are not exactly what you are complaining about here
and lastly, I posted this
HR 2021
is a bill to get around the CLEAN AIR act so they can drill in the continental shelf.
(that's where all our fish come from!)
You said
The point is not that they CAN'T drill there, it is that they still have to abide by clean air and water rules!!!!
The oil companies want the rules lifted to SAVE MONEY, MORE PROFIT.
and so a BP spill happens and the continental shelf is wiped out, SO WHAT! who need fish anyway!
typical narrow minded view point!
I will critique your other JOBS bills, later, but I have to tell you they get crazier.
you best look up some REAL ones, (like they exist)
All you have done is read the intro to each bill. get back to me when you actually read the bills and are familiar with what is in them.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 01, 2012, 12:03:53 PM
All you have done is read the intro to each bill. get back to me when you actually read the bills and are familiar with what is in them.
Dude! How can
""
to amend chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, to provide that
major rules of the
executive branch shall have no force or effect unless a joint resolution of approval is enacted into law"
be misinterpreted??
these are rule changes to effect the executive branches ability to make major rules!
Conservatives consider these "major rules" an impediment to business, thus a job creator when gone.
same with National Labor Relation Board, less regulation will spur job growth.
all part of the GOP deregulation plan.
you have a different interpretation of this? and link it to jobs please.
Demand makes jobs, not deregulation.
If the demand for widgets was high, you think there wouldn't be a widget plant build in a heart beat, regardless of what REGULATIONS had to be met?
Deregulation makes things like Toxic loans and global economic collapse possible.
Deregulation gives us Love canal and PG & E poisoning the water supply.
Deregulation gave us the saving and loan debacle of Reagan's era.
AND then
The Pres wanted the ability to streamline agencies and mandated all agencies to look for outdated regs to get rid of.
GOP should have gotten right behind that! BUT no.
that would be good for the country but not until after the election!
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 01, 2012, 08:21:10 PM
Dude! How can
""to amend chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, to provide that major rules of the executive branch shall have no force or effect unless a joint resolution of approval is enacted into law"
be misinterpreted??
these are rule changes to effect the executive branches ability to make major rules!
Conservatives consider these "major rules" an impediment to business, thus a job creator when gone.
same with National Labor Relation Board, less regulation will spur job growth.
all part of the GOP deregulation plan.
you have a different interpretation of this? and link it to jobs please.
Demand makes jobs, not deregulation.
If the demand for widgets was high, you think there wouldn't be a widget plant build in a heart beat, regardless of what REGULATIONS had to be met?
Deregulation makes things like Toxic loans and global economic collapse possible.
Deregulation gives us Love canal and PG & E poisoning the water supply.
Deregulation gave us the saving and loan debacle of Reagan's era.
AND then
The Pres wanted the ability to streamline agencies and mandated all agencies to look for outdated regs to get rid of.
GOP should have gotten right behind that! BUT no.
that would be good for the country but not until after the election!
Read the bills...
Quote from: Solar on February 01, 2012, 09:52:22 AM
Bull! Bush refused Solyndra, Hussein owns that along with all the other failed alternative energy projects..
And this was funding research, this was funding business that had no place in the free mkt.
first off they were building solar panels and Bush administration was first involved, no question.
started the applications in 2006.
here is some more proof for you.
QuoteIn May 2005, Chris Gronet founded Gronet Technologies and changed its name to Solyndra eight months later. It was founded to provide an alternative to silicon-based solar panels amidst a worldwide shortage.[9] On July 29, 2005 the United States Congress passed the Energy Policy Act of 2005, a bill intended to address a variety of developing energy problems in the United States. The bill was signed into law by George W. Bush on August 8, 2005. Amongst other things, the bill authorized the Department of Energy to offer loan guarantees to help finance promising energy projects. Advertising of this program in August 2006 resulted in the Department of Energy receiving 134 preliminary applications for the program, including one from the Fremont, California-based Solyndra Corporation in order to build a new manufacturing facility "Fab 2" for its unique solar panel technology.
In October 2007, the Department of Energy had completed vetting of the applications and had narrowed the number it was still considering to 16, one of which was the application from Solyndra. The remaining 16 were invited to submit full applications for the program, and Solyndra did so in May 2008. On January 9, 2009, the Department of Energy's credit committee decided unanimously that although the project "appears to have merit, there are several areas where the information presented did not thoroughly support a finding that the project is ready to be approved at this time." The committee "without prejudice" remanded the project "for further development of information."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solyndra_loan_controversy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solyndra_loan_controversy)
QuoteMay 2005: Just as a global silicon shortage begins driving up prices of solar photovoltaics, Solyndra is founded to provide a cost-competitive alternative to silicon-based panels.
July 2005: The Bush administration signs the Energy Policy Act of 2005 into law, creating the 1703 loan guarantee program.
February 2006 – October 2006: In February, Solyndra raises its first round of venture financing, worth $10.6 million from CMEA Capital, Redpoint Ventures, and U.S. Venture Partners. In October, Argonaut Venture Capital, an investment arm of George Kaiser, invests $17 million into Solyndra. Madrone Capital Partners, an investment arm of the Walton family, invests $7 million. Those investments are part of a $78.2 million fund.
December 2006: Solyndra applies for a loan guarantee under the 1703 program.
Late 2007: Loan guarantee program is funded. Solyndra was one of 16 clean-tech companies deemed ready to move forward in the due diligence process. The Bush administration DOE moves forward to develop a conditional commitment.
October 2008: Then Solyndra CEO Chris Gronet touted reasons for building in Silicon Valley and noted that the "company's second factory also will be built in Fremont, since a Department of Energy loan guarantee mandates a U.S. location."
November 2008: Silicon prices remain very high on the spot market, making non-silicon based thin film technologies like Solyndra's very attractive to investors. Solyndra also benefits from having very low installation costs. The company raises $144 million from ten different venture investors, including the Walton-family run Madrone Capital Partners. This brings total private investment to more than $450 million to date.
January 2009: In an effort to show it has done something to support renewable energy, the Bush administration tries to take Solyndra before a DOE credit review committee just one day before President Obama is inaugurated. The committee, consisting of career civil servants with financial expertise, remands the loan back to DOE because it wasn't ready for conditional commitment.
March 2009: The same credit committee approves the strengthened loan application. The deal passes on to DOE's credit review board. Career staff (not political appointees) within the DOE issue a conditional commitment setting out terms for a guarantee.
June 2009: As more silicon production facilities come online while demand for PV wavers due to the economic slowdown, silicon prices start to drop. Meanwhile, the Chinese begin rapidly scaling domestic manufacturing and set a path toward dramatic, unforeseen cost reductions in PV. Between June of 2009 and August of 2011, PV prices drop more than 50 percent.
September 2009: Solyndra raises an additional $219 million. Shortly after, the DOE closes a $535 million loan guarantee after six months of due diligence. This is the first loan guarantee issued under the 1703 program. From application to closing, the process took three years — not the 41 days that is sometimes reported.
January – June 2010: As the price of conventional silicon-based PV continues to fall due to low silicon prices and a glut of solar modules, investors and analysts start questioning Solyndra's ability to compete in the marketplace. Despite pulling its IPO (as dozens of companies did in 2010), Solyndra raises an additional $175 million from investors.
November 2010: Solyndra closes an older manufacturing facility and concentrates operations at Fab 2, the plant funded by the $535 million loan guarantee. The Fab 2 plant is completed that same month – on time and on budget — employing around 3,000 construction workers during the build-out, just as the DOE projected.
February 2011: Due to a liquidity crisis, investors provide $75 million to help restructure the loan guarantee. The DOE rightly assumed it was better to give Solyndra a fighting chance rather than liquidate the company — which was a going concern — for market value, which would have guaranteed significant losses.
March 2011: Republican Representatives < a href="http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearings/hearingdetail.aspx?NewsID=8333">complain that DOE funds are not being spent quickly enough.
House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton (R-Mich.): "Despite the administration's urgency and haste to pass the [American Recovery and Reinvestment Act] ... billions of dollars have yet to be spent."
And House Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee Chairman Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.): "The whole point of the Democrats' stimulus bill was to spend billions of dollars ... most of the money still hasn't been spent."
June 2011: Average selling prices for solar modules drop to $1.50 a watt and continue on a pathway to $1 a watt. Solyndra says it has cut costs by 50 percent, but analysts worry how the company will compete with the dramatic changes in conventional PV.
August 2011: DOE refuses to restructure the loan a second time.
September 2011: Solyndra closes its manufacturing facility, lays off 1,100 workers, and files for bankruptcy. The news is touted as a failure of the Obama administration and the loan guarantee office. However, as of Sept. 12, the DOE loan programs office closed or issued conditional commitments of $37.8 billion to projects around the country. The $535 million loan is only 1.3 percent of DOE's loan portfolio. To date, Solyndra is the only loan that's known to be troubled.
Meanwhile, after complaining about stimulus funds moving too quickly, Upton and Stearns are now claiming that the administration was pushing funds out the door too quickly: "In the rush to get stimulus cash out the door, despite repeated claims by the administration to the contrary, some bets were bad from the beginning."
http://grist.org/solar-power/2011-09-13-bush-admin-pushed-solyndra-loan-guarantee-for-two-years/ (http://grist.org/solar-power/2011-09-13-bush-admin-pushed-solyndra-loan-guarantee-for-two-years/)
and a third source.
http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/09/13/317594/timeline-bush-administration-solyndra-loan-guarantee/ (http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/09/13/317594/timeline-bush-administration-solyndra-loan-guarantee/)
so you believe it yet?
This is how jobs are created, innovation not deregulation.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 01, 2012, 08:22:34 PM
Read the bills...
Why do we need 4 bills all about basically the same thing?
or are they just trying to do the same thing from 4 directions at the same time?
Explain them to me in simple terms for us ignorant Liberals.
but while we are chatting here is the next big job creation bill which, surprise surprise, is another bill regarding regulations.
Is that all the GOP think about day in and day out, deregulating?
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3010/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3010/show)
this bill
Quote
9/22/2011--Introduced.Regulatory Accountability Act of 2011 - Amends the Administrative Procedure Act to revise and expand the requirements for federal agency rulemaking by requiring agencies, in making a rule, to base all preliminary and final determinations on evidence and to consider the legal authority under which the rule may be proposed, the specific nature and significance of the problem the agency may address with the rule, any reasonable alternatives for the rule, and the potential costs and benefits associated with such alternatives. Requires agencies to publish advance notice of proposed rulemaking for major rules and for high-impact rules (rules having an annual cost on the economy of $100 million or $1 billion or more, respectively), which shall include a written statement identifying the nature and significance of the problem the agency may address with a rule, the legal authority under which the rule may be proposed, and a solicitation for written data and comments from interested persons. Sets forth criteria for issuing major guidance (agency guidance that is likely to lead to an annual cost on the economy of $100 million or more, a major increase in cost or prices, or significant adverse effects on competition, employment, investment, productivity, innovation, or ability to compete). Expands the scope of judicial review of agency rulemaking by allowing immediate review of rulemaking not in compliance with notice requirements and establishing a substantial evidence standard for affirming agency rulemaking decisions.
These are going to go over real big during the debates against Obama. Can't wait.
BUT wait we have a GOOD bill.http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h2930/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h2930/show)
This benefits entrepreneurs
I have actually used Kickstarter to get investments.
This is a good idea and since it passed the house with a HUGE majority it should have no trouble in the Senate.
I am betting the GOP will stop it in the Senate because it has potential to look good for the President.
ANY bets on that??
let's see the other 20 bills held up in the senate!
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 01, 2012, 08:58:04 PM
Why do we need 4 bills all about basically the same thing?
or are they just trying to do the same thing from 4 directions at the same time?
Explain them to me in simple terms for us ignorant Liberals.
but while we are chatting here is the next big job creation bill which, surprise surprise, is another bill regarding regulations.
Is that all the GOP think about day in and day out, deregulating?
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3010/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3010/show)
this bill
These are going to go over real big during the debates against Obama. Can't wait.
BUT wait we have a GOOD bill.
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h2930/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h2930/show)
This benefits entrepreneurs
I have actually used Kickstarter to get investments.
This is a good idea and since it passed the house with a HUGE majority it should have no trouble in the Senate.
I am betting the GOP will stop it in the Senate because it has potential to look good for the President.
ANY bets on that??
let's see the other 20 bills held up in the senate!
read the bills.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 01, 2012, 08:59:56 PM
read the bills.
So Boo man can't explain them any better.
Fine.
Where the other 20? you did say there were 25, and I quote
"Nope none. None at all.....except for the 25 passed in the House and stalled in the Democrat controlled Senate."
I Need to look them up.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 01, 2012, 09:08:02 PM
So Boo man can't explain them any better.
Fine.
Where the other 20? you did say there were 25, and I quote
"Nope none. None at all.....except for the 25 passed in the House and stalled in the Democrat controlled Senate."
I Need to look them up.
Sorry it doesn't work like that. You said there were no jobs bills. I posted a few. You then claimed those were not jobs bills even though you haven't read the bills. I don't bother with children. Good bye.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 01, 2012, 08:35:24 PM
first off they were building solar panels and Bush administration was first involved, no question.
started the applications in 2006.
here is some more proof for you.
and a third source.
http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/09/13/317594/timeline-bush-administration-solyndra-loan-guarantee/ (http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/09/13/317594/timeline-bush-administration-solyndra-loan-guarantee/)
so you believe it yet?
This is how jobs are created, innovation not deregulation.
From your source, which backs up my point that the Bush admin never gave them the money they wanted and that Hussein held them up as an example of the new Green future.
January 2009: In an effort to show it has done something to support renewable energy, the Bush administration tries to take Solyndra before a DOE credit review committee just one day before President Obama is inaugurated. The committee, consisting of career civil servants with financial expertise, remands the loan back to DOE because it wasn't ready for conditional commitment.But for future reference, Wiki is not considered a reliable source, since anyone with an opinion can submit to it.
Case in point "
January 2009: In an effort to show it has done something to support renewable energy,"
Now where is the evidence that bush needed to show he was doing something for the solar industry?
He is out of office the very next day, why should he give a damn?
But back to the point that it proves my assertion that solar has absolutely no place in our energy infrastructure.
The only place it belongs is in remote applications, where power is either unavailable or or to far from the grid that running power lines isn't feasible.
Making the taxpayer foot the bill for a pie in the sky dream was about as stupid as it gets, paying 10 times the amount for electricity that we can get from coal or nuclear even Ng simply never made sense, that is, unless you are purposely trying to ruin the American infrastructure all based on the hoax that Co2 is a pollutant.
Now is this starting to make sense?
The Dims, not all but most were foolish to follow the party line and back this nonsense, but anyone with a weee bit of commonsense can see this was nothing more than a plan to cripple our production.
Green is rooted in communism, the entire movement was designed to bring the U.S. and its Western allies to its knees.
And they damn near succeeded...
One other thing, just post the most pertinent facts from a site, there a copyright issues at play and lawyers that love to make money.
Not that Wiki would sue, but it's just a rule we have here, I know you didn't mean any harm, just wanted to make sure you knew.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 01, 2012, 09:10:38 PM
Sorry it doesn't work like that. You said there were no jobs bills. I posted a few. You then claimed those were not jobs bills even though you haven't read the bills. I don't bother with children. Good bye.
reading more than the "description" is not going to make them any LESS a ploy to deregulate the country so BIG Business can do what the heck they like and maximize profits at the expense of clean air, water and the environment.
Obviously I can tell the difference in a good job making bill and one that is not.
take this one for example
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h2930/show (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h2930/show)
NOW that's a job bill!
I am sure the other 20 bills are deregulation ploys by BIG business and their bought and paid for congressmen.
which why you fear putting them up. Does Rush not explain them to you?
The best evidence I have that the GOP are full of hot air?
After the Presidents speech in Sept about JOBS, when he called out the GOP for lack of action,
WHY no rebuttal speech listing ANY of these 25 JOB bills?
WHY Boo man?
Because they would have been laughed at by the entire country?
Because they don't have any JOB bills!
Someone is NOT telling you the truth!
Quote from: Solar on February 01, 2012, 10:26:52 AM
But you claimed bush started the loan, I said he didn't, care to back that up?
I guess we need to define the word "STARTED".
The loan application was STARTED in 2006 under the Bush administration who was hot to have a green project to point to in the 2008 election.
The MONEY was not given out until the Obama administration.
The government were also NOT the only investors in Solyandra, several hundred million came from other investment bankers, who ALSO thought it was a good idea.
Do you think there were campaign promises made to those investment bankers as well, as part of the Obama conspiracy to give kick backs to campaign contributors?
Win some lose some, that's how business works.
That's why the DOE had a "fail fund
of 2 billion set up just for the failures.
basic business practice!
No big conspiracy. No watergate, no Iran gate.
Oh wait. were those not GOP presidents who did those illegal things?
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 02, 2012, 09:37:50 AM
I guess we need to define the word "STARTED".
The loan application was STARTED in 2006 under the Bush administration who was hot to have a green project to point to in the 2008 election.
The MONEY was not given out until the Obama administration.
The government were also NOT the only investors in Solyandra, several hundred million came from other investment bankers, who ALSO thought it was a good idea.
Do you think there were campaign promises made to those investment bankers as well, as part of the Obama conspiracy to give kick backs to campaign contributors?
Win some lose some, that's how business works.
That's why the DOE had a "fail fund
of 2 billion set up just for the failures.
basic business practice!
No big conspiracy. No watergate, no Iran gate.
Oh wait. were those not GOP presidents who did those illegal things?
So your connection to this scam is that they tried to scam Bush, yet he didn't buy into it?
Why is it you libs can never see the big picture? This is a fraud perpetrated on the free world by communists/
It all goes back to the environmental movement, which ran with the fraud of AGW, then they classified Co2 as a pollutant.
This has nothing to do with RINO of the past, it has everything to do with Marxists trying to bring the free mkt to its knees.
Quote from: Solar on February 02, 2012, 09:50:59 AM
So your connection to this scam is that they tried to scam Bush, yet he didn't buy into it?
Why is it you libs can never see the big picture? This is a fraud perpetrated on the free world by communists/
It all goes back to the environmental movement, which ran with the fraud of AGW, then they classified Co2 as a pollutant.
This has nothing to do with RINO of the past, it has everything to do with Marxists trying to bring the free mkt to its knees.
So green energy is a scam?
SCAM: "a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, especially for making a quick profit; swindle. "
ever seen a solar farm? they do exist. not a scam
ever seen a wind farm? they do exist. not a scam
how is green energy a scam?
If you think Obama is a marxist, you best look that up. and communist while your at it.
tell me how green energy is a scam please.
as far a Bush not buying into it, No that is not the case but nice try on getting YOUR lib pres of the hook.
As one of my links shows you
"January 2009: In an effort to show it has done something to support renewable energy, the Bush administration tries to take Solyndra before a DOE credit review committee just one day before President Obama is inaugurated. The committee, consisting of career civil servants with financial expertise, remands the loan back to DOE because it wasn't ready for conditional commitment.
That sounds a lot like Bush trying to get it done!
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 02, 2012, 10:24:47 AM
So green energy is a scam?
SCAM: "a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, especially for making a quick profit; swindle. "
ever seen a solar farm? they do exist. not a scam
ever seen a wind farm? they do exist. not a scam
how is green energy a scam?
If you think Obama is a marxist, you best look that up. and communist while your at it.
tell me how green energy is a scam please.
Yes, Green energy is a scam!
The Gov passed, no, the Dim Libs passed laws mandating that private utility companies buy a certain amount of so called Green energy and sell it to the public.
The scam is that Hussein's supporters got Fed grants (tax payer dollars) to build solar farms and solar manufacturing plants.
Quoteas far a Bush not buying into it, No that is not the case but nice try on getting YOUR lib pres of the hook.
As one of my links shows you
"January 2009: In an effort to show it has done something to support renewable energy, the Bush administration tries to take Solyndra before a DOE credit review committee just one day before President Obama is inaugurated. The committee, consisting of career civil servants with financial expertise, remands the loan back to DOE because it wasn't ready for conditional commitment.
That sounds a lot like Bush trying to get it done!
Wrong, Bush never granted the loan, even your own link stated as much.
But lets assume you owned a business selling plumbing supplies, the gov steps in and tells you if you want to stay in business, 15% of your inventory has to be purchased from ACORN associated manufacturers.
Is that fair? Of course not, but thats what the Dims did, they forced utilities to buy power from their libs Green buddies that donated to Hussein's campaign.
Now imagine that the plumbing supplies cost 10 times more than what your suppliers were charging, thats right, green energy is 10 times more expensive than power from coal, Ng,and nuclear.
I'm not saying solar and wind don't produce power, they just cost a hell of a lot more and for one reason, they cost far more to produce, they lose nearly half as much as they produce.
Take solar, the best cell on the mkt is only able to push at best 70% of its actual power into the grid, add to that a solar farm miles from a grid and that amount drops to half.
That's right, only half of the investment is producing usable power.
Now, take in one more factor, heat, known as resistance in the electric field, the panels get hot they lose an additional 20% of their output.
Doesn't sound like a good investment suddenly, does it?
Well it's not, it was a scam foisted on an ignorant public.
I won't even go into the cost of infrastructure to support these giant wastes of money.
Thousands of miles of power lines to allow a trickling of power from a solar farm that on a good day only produces 4 usable hours of power.
Now do you see why it was a scam?
Oh and you ask if I've ever seen a solar farm, you betcha, I design them for a living.
Any other questions?
Quote from: Solar link=topic=3850.msg57085#msg57085 date=1328242031
Oh and you ask if I've ever seen a solar farm, you betcha, I design them for a living.
Any other questions?
/quote]
So you're a scam artist?
good to know.
Quote from: Solar on February 02, 2012, 09:50:59 AM
So your connection to this scam is that they tried to scam Bush, yet he didn't buy into it?
Why is it you libs can never see the big picture? This is a fraud perpetrated on the free world by communists/
It all goes back to the environmental movement, which ran with the fraud of AGW, then they classified Co2 as a pollutant.
This has nothing to do with RINO of the past, it has everything to do with Marxists trying to bring the free mkt to its knees.
You are NOT responding to post 286!
YOU said the following
"But you claimed bush started the loan, I said he didn't, care to back that up?"
I have given you plenty of evidence to back up the claim that the LOAN PROCESS was started in 2006 and as late as 2009 BUSH was still pushing it along.
YET you give me back the same tired answer as before, totally ignoring the facts!
Obama's fault!
Need to face facts solar.
PS. You do know the whole "communist under your bed" thing is SO 1980!
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 03, 2012, 12:19:44 PM
[quote author=Solar link=topic=3850.msg57085#msg57085 date=1328242031
Oh and you ask if I've ever seen a solar farm, you betcha, I design them for a living.
Any other questions?
So you're a scam artist?
good to know.
You will note Solar does not take hand out money from the gov, or file bankruptcy.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 03, 2012, 12:28:34 PM
You are NOT responding to post 286!
YOU said the following
"But you claimed bush started the loan, I said he didn't, care to back that up?"
I have given you plenty of evidence to back up the claim that the LOAN PROCESS was started in 2006 and as late as 2009 BUSH was still pushing it along.
YET you give me back the same tired answer as before, totally ignoring the facts!
Obama's fault!
Need to face facts solar.
PS. You do know the whole "communist under your bed" thing is SO 1980!
Big deal, they tried to get money from the Bush administration, but the fact remains, they failed, but succeeded with Hussein.
As to designing solar systems, I was a defense contractor and designed systems that were stand alone for the Military.
Like I stated earlier, solar has no place in generating power to the grid, it is ridiculously expensive.
As to your PM, I'm retired and have a vested interest in making this forum a success, so yes, I do spend a large amount of time here, but then most business owners never get time off.
I guess you wouldn't understand that though , would you?
And the commie threat is not so 80s as you put it, the threat is more real today than it has ever been in our history.
We have communists protesting under the guise of the OWS group, but then you probably don't see that as a threat.
The alternative energy industry was usurped by the green movement more than a decade ago, in it they found a vehicle to help cripple our output as a nation.
I gave you solid evidence that the alternative field is a complete waste of money, especially when we have a perfect viable source of cheap and clean energy in nuclear power, but it was the Dims that have blocked it at virtually every turn.Look at drilling for our own oil, again blocked at every turn, but we waste billions on alternatives.
Your team outlawed a perfectly good source of light, for what purpose?
It uses more electricity, so what, build a few nuke plants and the problem of power generation is solved.
No, the commie threat is more than real and they are hiding in plain sight in the Dim party, they just call themselves progressives.
Quote from: Solar on February 03, 2012, 01:15:05 PM
As to designing solar systems, I was a defense contractor and designed systems that were stand alone for the Military.
Like I stated earlier, solar has no place in generating power to the grid, it is ridiculously expensive.
So you are part of military industrial complex. figures
If it's so inefficient wonder why solar systems are popping up on roof tops like crazy?
It's all just predatory corporations selling the public solar systems in some kind of big fraud?
We need a regulation to fix that!
Quote from: Solar on February 03, 2012, 01:15:05 PM
As to your PM, I'm retired and have a vested interest in making this forum a success, so yes, I do spend a large amount of time here, but then most business owners never get time off.
I guess you wouldn't understand that though, would you?
retired from the military industrial complex? then you must have a pension? negotiated by a union perhaps?
I am self employed and work 24/7 (on call)
Quote from: Solar on February 03, 2012, 01:15:05 PM
And the commie threat is not so 80s as you put it, the threat is more real today than it has ever been in our history.
We have communists protesting under the guise of the OWS group, but then you probably don't see that as a threat.
The alternative energy industry was usurped by the green movement more than a decade ago, in it they found a vehicle to help cripple our output as a nation.
So yes you do see commies under the bed!
Mark my words, the OW will shake this country later this year along with the 99%
Quote from: Solar on February 03, 2012, 01:15:05 PM
I gave you solid evidence that the alternative field is a complete waste of money, especially when we have a perfect viable source of cheap and clean energy in nuclear power, but it was the Dims that have blocked it at virtually every turn.Look at drilling for our own oil, again blocked at every turn, but we waste billions on alternatives.
drill baby drill.
fact is we are drilling at capacity. rigs that can go deep are booked years in advance. If you're an oil worker and out of work, you are a lazy bum because oil workers are in demand.
Did you know Germany is quitting nuclear power?
http://www.pressherald.com/business/germany-stop-nuclear-power-reactors-offline-energy-risks.html (http://www.pressherald.com/business/germany-stop-nuclear-power-reactors-offline-energy-risks.html)
Leading the world green electricity race are 1) Iceland and 1) Norway, both generating a full 100% of their electricity from green sources -- Norway gets 99% from hydro and 1% from other renewable sources of energy; Iceland has, as many people know, a good deal of geothermal power (27%), with hydro making up the remaining 73%.
Coming in third is 3) Costa Rica, which gets 94% of its electricity from green sources: 76% hydropower and 18% from other renewable sources (largely geothermal).
Fourth place is occupied by 4) Brazil, with 87% hydropower and other renewable sources of electricity. 5) Colombia holds down fifth place with 80% renewable electricity (all but 1%, again, hydropower).
Quote from: Solar on February 03, 2012, 01:15:05 PM
Your team outlawed a perfectly good source of light, for what purpose?
It uses more electricity, so what, build a few nuke plants and the problem of power generation is solved.
you ignore the waste product generated that we still don't know what to do with. That's radioactive and dangerous for thousands of years.
Our great, great, great, great, great, grand kids can worry about that. why should we care.
and when the oil runs out, HOPEFULLY they will have invented a substitute for oil.
YOU are aware of how many things are made from oil that is NOT used for our cars!
You ignore what happened in japan.
You ignore the fact that these plants are completely un-insurable and if they go critical, we the people are responsible for the damages which could make large parts of the country uninhabitable.
\We have these things called earthquakes, they break Nuke plants!
wonder why Germany is stopping nuke plants?
Quote from: Solar on February 03, 2012, 01:15:05 PM
No, the commie threat is more than real and they are hiding in plain sight in the Dim party, they just call themselves progressives.
Got news for you, just because we like socialist policies does not equate to communism.
Communism is what the right likes to brand anything they want to vilify!
old tactic. shows your age.. you a cold war warrior?
Reagan tripled the national debt chasing THAT paper tiger. Good job conservatives!
STAR wars! what a joke. We spent how much?? you got to be proud of that.
AND like Russia could have EVER done anything? they could barely feed themselves, let alone take over the world!
So much for intelligence gathering. or perhaps it was just the military wanting to keep the money flowing to them.
Quote from: Solar on February 03, 2012, 01:15:05 PM
Your team outlawed a perfectly good source of light, for what purpose?
I just have to know what you mean by this?
certainly you are not talking about the CFL thing?
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 03, 2012, 03:27:04 PM
I just have to know what you mean by this?
certainly you are not talking about the CFL thing?
Why do Democrats always feel the need to fix shit that isn't broken?
The swirly mercury filled hazmat bulbs can't possibly be any better for the planet so what is the point, just to feel like they are doing something?
Quote from: Josie on February 03, 2012, 03:42:57 PM
Why do Democrats always feel the need to fix shit that isn't broken?
The swirly mercury filled hazmat bulbs can't possibly be any better for the planet so what is the point, just to feel like they are doing something?
First off Solar has not said it was CFL's he was talking about.
Maybe "the source of light" is a TV show or some cool weapon system the Military dreams up to waste money like "Star wars"
i will wait and see.
BUT
You see the liberals don't think it's such a good idea to WASTE things, like energy.
CFL's use a lot less energy to do the same work.
SO, we have to build LESS power plants, so we pollute less
(I know conservatives don't give a crap about pollution)
In spite of that, president BUSH ordered the change to CFL's, Josie!
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 03, 2012, 04:10:22 PM
First off Solar has not said it was CFL's he was talking about.
Maybe "the source of light" is a TV show or some cool weapon system the Military dreams up to waste money like "Star wars"
i will wait and see.
BUT
You see the liberals don't think it's such a good idea to WASTE things, like energy.
CFL's use a lot less energy to do the same work.
SO, we have to build LESS power plants, so we pollute less
(I know conservatives don't give a crap about pollution)
In spite of that, president BUSH ordered the change to CFL's, Josie!
Mmm-ok you got me there...He very well could have been talking about disco balls or strobe lights idk but for you to say that liberals don't like to waste energy is something I giggle at.... ~ think about it, you buy the swirly bulb, it falls on the floor as you are trying to screw it in.... you go get your hazmat suit, put the kids outside so they dont accidently breathe or touch the mercury... you clean it up, but you don't throw it away in your own trash-can,... no of course not, you are supposed to take it to your local fix-it store and they somehow dispose of it....but how do you get to your fix=it store... probably in a car... what does your car run off of? Probably gas or coal, so now you are wasteing time, money and energy to dispose of your deadly bulb... what I wonder is, what does home depot do with the bulb, does it go into a landfill where it goes into a big hole in the earth, or what?....
and why oh why would I want to buy an EV to "fix the planet".... what kind of energy does it take to charge my battery... coal? Didnt Obama say that coal is bbaaaddd and he will make the price go up to punish us for using it? and what do they do with those car batteries when the car goes bad do they go into a landfill too? That can't be good for the earth :/
Quote from: Josie on February 03, 2012, 04:38:36 PM
Mmm-ok you got me there...He very well could have been talking about disco balls or strobe lights idk but for you to say that liberals don't like to waste energy is something I giggle at.... ~ think about it, you buy the swirly bulb, it falls on the floor as you are trying to screw it in.... you go get your hazmat suit, put the kids outside so they dont accidently breathe or touch the mercury... you clean it up, but you don't throw it away in your own trash-can,... no of course not, you are supposed to take it to your local fix-it store and they somehow dispose of it....but how do you get to your fix=it store... probably in a car... what does your car run off of? Probably gas or coal, so now you are wasteing time, money and energy to dispose of your deadly bulb... what I wonder is, what does home depot do with the bulb, does it go into a landfill where it goes into a big hole in the earth, or what?....
and why oh why would I want to buy an EV to "fix the planet".... what kind of energy does it take to charge my battery... coal? Didnt Obama say that coal is bbaaaddd and he will make the price go up to punish us for using it? and what do they do with those car batteries when the car goes bad do they go into a landfill too? That can't be good for the earth :/
too much caffeine today josie?
I agree! Living in an environmentally positive way does require commitment that conservatives are not yet ready to deal with.
Liberals are always thinking about the future and our children's children. Like what are they going to breath and how clean is the water going to be IF we let them (environmentally challenged humans) continue in this manner.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 03, 2012, 03:25:12 PM
Got news for you, just because we like socialist policies does not equate to communism.
Communism is what the right likes to brand anything they want to vilify!
Where have Socialist policies worked? Europe? Last I checked the Eurozone's sinking faster than the Lusitania. Latin America? Sure, if you like being run by a bunch of thugs with a Peron complex.
Elaborate your argument.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 03, 2012, 03:25:12 PM
So you are part of military industrial complex. figures
If it's so inefficient wonder why solar systems are popping up on roof tops like crazy?
It's all just predatory corporations selling the public solar systems in some kind of big fraud?
We need a regulation to fix that!
You do know that Gov subsidizes nearly half the cost of a grid tie system, right?
Quoteretired from the military industrial complex? then you must have a pension? negotiated by a union perhaps?
Nope, I draw a military pension.
QuoteI am self employed and work 24/7 (on call)
So yes you do see commies under the bed!
Mark my words, the OW will shake this country later this year along with the 99%
The OWS group is funded by a commie rag and they are not 99% they are more like .0001%.
Quotedrill baby drill.
fact is we are drilling at capacity. rigs that can go deep are booked years in advance. If you're an oil worker and out of work, you are a lazy bum because oil workers are in demand.
We are not at capacity on Federal lands, the left has stonewalled all development via red tape.
My how appropriate, Red tape.
QuoteDid you know Germany is quitting nuclear power?
Yes, they are complete fools, that doesn't mean we have to be as stupid as they are.
Quotehttp://www.pressherald.com/business/germany-stop-nuclear-power-reactors-offline-energy-risks.html (http://www.pressherald.com/business/germany-stop-nuclear-power-reactors-offline-energy-risks.html)
Leading the world green electricity race are 1) Iceland and 1) Norway, both generating a full 100% of their electricity from green sources -- Norway gets 99% from hydro and 1% from other renewable sources of energy; Iceland has, as many people know, a good deal of geothermal power (27%), with hydro making up the remaining 73%.
Coming in third is 3) Costa Rica, which gets 94% of its electricity from green sources: 76% hydropower and 18% from other renewable sources (largely geothermal).
Fourth place is occupied by 4) Brazil, with 87% hydropower and other renewable sources of electricity. 5) Colombia holds down fifth place with 80% renewable electricity (all but 1%, again, hydropower).
Hydro is not included in the Green energy BS, but you knew that, Right?
Hydro is an excellent option, but the Dims will not allow any new projects.
When was the last major dam project built in this country and why haven't we built any since?
You might just figure out that the Dims do not want as as free as you think to develop our energy sources.
Quote
you ignore the waste product generated that we still don't know what to do with. That's radioactive and dangerous for thousands of years.
Our great, great, great, great, great, grand kids can worry about that. why should we care.
Look up Yucca mountain depository, privately funded and own, yet Hussein closed it, care to guess why?
Quote
and when the oil runs out, HOPEFULLY they will have invented a substitute for oil.
YOU are aware of how many things are made from oil that is NOT used for our cars!
Oil is a renewable resource and is not running out, ever!
QuoteYou ignore what happened in japan.
You ignore the fact that these plants are completely un-insurable and if they go critical, we the people are responsible for the damages which could make large parts of the country uninhabitable.
\We have these things called earthquakes, they break Nuke plants!
wonder why Germany is stopping nuke plants?
The Japanese plant was not only outdated, but poorly designed, they put the back up generators below ground and the Tsunami over swept the plant knocking out the generators.
Quakes are not really a factor, in the event of a quake, the system is instantly shut down by computers connected to sensing devices hundreds of miles away.
QuoteGot news for you, just because we like socialist policies does not equate to communism.
Communism is what the right likes to brand anything they want to vilify!
Where do you think communism is rooted?
Its rooted in socialism. Remember what Hitler's party was called?
Quoteold tactic. shows your age.. you a cold war warrior?
With age comes wisdom...
QuoteReagan tripled the national debt chasing THAT paper tiger. Good job conservatives!
And the end result was the downfall of the USSR
QuoteSTAR wars! what a joke. We spent how much?? you got to be proud of that.
AND like Russia could have EVER done anything? they could barely feed themselves, let alone take over the world!
So much for intelligence gathering. or perhaps it was just the military wanting to keep the money flowing to them.
Where do you think ramjet engine technology came from?
But that's irrelevant, the USSR was a threat, but I can only assume you get your information form lib sites, since they don't teach the truth in the PC school system.
You can't fix stupid and this clown is dumber than Joe Biden on acid...
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 03, 2012, 08:25:57 PM
You can't fix stupid and this clown is dumber than Joe Biden on acid...
I just give him the facts, its up to him to learn.
Quote from: CubaLibre on February 03, 2012, 06:50:36 PM
Where have Socialist policies worked? Europe? Last I checked the Eurozone's sinking faster than the Lusitania. Latin America? Sure, if you like being run by a bunch of thugs with a Peron complex.
Elaborate your argument.
Lets see.
Canada, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Netherlands, Australia.
All have some form of universal health care or government involvement in health care.
Most with cradle to grave benefits.
all have REGULATIONS.
All rated by Forbes magazine as a better place to do business than here.
All rated by the heritage fund as a better place to do business than here
Canada had no housing bubble, NO banking crisis. They had regulations to stop the craziness that was our banking/subprim/no verification loans debacle.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 03, 2012, 08:28:03 PM
Lets see.
Canada, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Netherlands, Australia.
All have some form of universal health care or government involvement in health care.
Most with cradle to grave benefits.
all have REGULATIONS.
All rated by Forbes magazine as a better place to do business than here.
All rated by the heritage fund as a better place to do business than here
Canada had no housing bubble, NO banking crisis. They had regulations to stop the craziness that was our banking/subprim/no verification loans debacle.
Small problem. Their population is a fraction of ours and they have a progressive tax system. Oh and they look to the US for security.
Quote from: Solar on February 03, 2012, 08:20:14 PM
Oil is a renewable resource and is not running out, ever!
I have to start here Solar, but seriously.
This better be a typo.
Or post some links to this new info.
This really should not even be a subject of a debate.
Typo right?
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 03, 2012, 08:35:54 PM
I have to start here Solar, but seriously.
This better be a typo.
Or post some links to this new info.
This really should not even be a subject of a debate.
Typo right?
I knew you wouldn't believe it, but then you aren't in the energy field, but I am and keep up on everything related to energy.
They have been claiming peak oil since the days of the Oklahoma boom, but technology has always stayed ahead of the game.
It's a big ass planet and to assume the doom sayers are correct, is akin to believing that computer models predicting AGW is right as well.
Point is, we know only a small percentage of how the Earth actually works and its pure arrogance to create laws based on ignorance and thats just what the left is doing.
http://www.rense.com/general63/refil.htm (http://www.rense.com/general63/refil.htm)
Quote from: Solar on February 03, 2012, 08:20:14 PM
The OWS group is funded by a commie rag and they are not 99% they are more like .0001%.
Tell me, what ""commie rag" (this is going to be good I know)
Quote from: Solar on February 03, 2012, 08:20:14 PM
We are not at capacity on Federal lands, the left has stonewalled all development via red tape.
My how appropriate, Red tape.
I said they were at capacity of RIGS. I grew up in the oil patch, worked the rigs as a youth.
BIG rigs that can drill deep are all busy!
If GOD himself told you there was oil 10,000 feet below your feet, it would take you months to get a rig AND that's if you offered BIG money.
Offshore rigs are years in advance. There are not enough rigs!
So they whine about something that's not real. The oil companies just want the gov to sell them more land.
We should nationalize them all and pay off the debt that way. Minerals too while we are at it.
Quote from: Solar on February 03, 2012, 08:20:14 PM
Hydro is an excellent option, but the Dims will not allow any new projects.
When was the last major dam project built in this country and why haven't we built any since?
You might just figure out that the Dims do not want as as free as you think to develop our energy sources.
I need some proof other your printing it, that the Dems are holding up Dams.
DO not lump it into the wide "regulations" category and if you do, provide a link to the "situation" that demonstrates it to be real.
4 states are planning/building hydro right now, in spite of the Dems it seems.
http://www.window.state.tx.us/specialrpt/energy/renewable/hydro.php (http://www.window.state.tx.us/specialrpt/energy/renewable/hydro.php)
Quote from: Solar on February 03, 2012, 08:20:14 PM
Look up Yucca mountain depository, privately funded and own, yet Hussein closed it, care to guess why?
Closed NO, on hold yes.
AND WHY, because the people of NEVADA are NOT happy!
Quote from: Solar on February 03, 2012, 08:20:14 PM
With age comes wisdom...
with age should comes the knowledge that one is NOT always right and must be able to take in info and readjust his opinion accordingly.
(budda-modernized)
Quote from: Solar on February 03, 2012, 08:20:14 PM
But that's irrelevant, the USSR was a threat, but I can only assume you get your information form lib sites, since they don't teach the truth in the PC school system.
Yes the USSR had some big guns.
But lets face facts, shall we?
after the "fall" it turned out that they couldn't make squat that would run or stay together.
Their weaponry was second rate.
their economy was in a shambles and they imploded because of internal pressures.
We KNOW all this after the fact.
WHY did the intelligence community not know this?
To think that they were not aware of the USSR's shortcomings internally is ludicrous!
The "cold war" was perpetuated and inflamed by the military./intelligence folks, to keep the bucks rolling, just like they keep the wars drums pounding now, keep the buck rolling.
Quote from: Solar on February 03, 2012, 09:10:27 PM
Point is, we know only a small percentage of how the Earth actually works and its pure arrogance to create laws based on ignorance and that's just what the left is doing.
http://www.rense.com/general63/refil.htm (http://www.rense.com/general63/refil.htm)
By your very admission, we don't know squat! Yet you are ready to base the path forward on info you admit is "theoretical".
the linked article says
"Also not known, Kennicutt said, is whether the injection of new oil from deeper strata is of any economic significance, whether there will be enough to be exploitable. The discovery was unexpected, and it is still "somewhat controversial" within the oil industry."
SO you advocate the exact same thing you say the Dems are doing, only the exact opposite extreme.
Hell YA! we got oil forever!
Well no Solar they did not say that. They said the wells "Maybe" refilling.
BUT not all wells. just some.
AND maybe it's just draining off some other deposit that we already counted.
You best find some better info to prove this case or this LIBERAL rates your claim of "Oil is a renewable energy"
as "PANTS on FIRE" rumor!
Not to mention it is NOT renewing! it's flowing in from some other deposit.
SO it will still run out, maybe not as soon.
Who cares about future generations.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 03, 2012, 09:16:28 PM
Tell me, what ""commie rag" (this is going to be good I know)
I said they were at capacity of RIGS. I grew up in the oil patch, worked the rigs as a youth.
BIG rigs that can drill deep are all busy!
If GOD himself told you there was oil 10,000 feet below your feet, it would take you months to get a rig AND that's if you offered BIG money.
Offshore rigs are years in advance. There are not enough rigs!
So they whine about something that's not real. The oil companies just want the gov to sell them more land.
We should nationalize them all and pay off the debt that way. Minerals too while we are at it.
I need some proof other your printing it, that the Dems are holding up Dams.
DO not lump it into the wide "regulations" category and if you do, provide a link to the "situation" that demonstrates it to be real.
4 states are planning/building hydro right now, in spite of the Dems it seems.
http://www.window.state.tx.us/specialrpt/energy/renewable/hydro.php (http://www.window.state.tx.us/specialrpt/energy/renewable/hydro.php)
Closed NO, on hold yes.
AND WHY, because the people of NEVADA are NOT happy!
with age should comes the knowledge that one is NOT always right and must be able to take in info and readjust his opinion accordingly.
(budda-modernized)
Yes the USSR had some big guns.
But lets face facts, shall we?
after the "fall" it turned out that they couldn't make squat that would run or stay together.
Their weaponry was second rate.
their economy was in a shambles and they imploded because of internal pressures.
We KNOW all this after the fact.
WHY did the intelligence community not know this?
To think that they were not aware of the USSR's shortcomings internally is ludicrous!
The "cold war" was perpetuated and inflamed by the military./intelligence folks, to keep the bucks rolling, just like they keep the wars drums pounding now, keep the buck rolling.
Sheesh, you sure jump all over the map, so lets once again, take one at a time.
Hetre is proof that the OWS group is nothing but a bunch of idiot commies.
Its a very long read but well worth it, here is a short excerpt.
Adbusters zine is the group that promoted the OWS movement, a Canadian magazine, they are nothing but commies preaching the destruction of our culture.
Her is part of an expose` on the rag mag itself.
Imagine a world without McDonald's, Nike, or Kraft Foods. A world where the budget-conscious and time-strapped have nowhere to grab a quick bite, where almost no one drives a car, where television is extinct. Sound pretty bleak? This is the utopian vision of the Adbusters Media Foundation.
Why do Adbusters writers and editors hate personal choice so much? Because their utopia would be a nightmare for most Americans. "What makes you think you have the right to drive around with a ton of metal wrapped around you," asks the September/October 2003 issue, "the right to twist a tap and get hot water, the right to flick a switch and get your house warmed up?" Were the Adbusters group to get its way, hundreds of years of progress would vanish.
"Plentitude is American culture's perverse burden," Kalle Lasn writes in Culture Jam. The twenty-first century's increasing food supply, labor-saving technologies, improved life expectancy -- he and his organization would like to remove those "burdens."
Judging from its magazine, Adbusters wants us to make do with fewer of the conveniences and technological advances we take for granted.
Food? "[E]very meat eater is responsible for the death of 2000 animals in his or her lifetime," the November/December 2002 issue tells us. That issue, featuring a photograph of pigs juxtaposed with Nazi death camp prisoners, may have inspired People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals' outrageous "Holocaust on Your Plate" exhibit.
The car? "[A]rguably the most destructive product we humans have ever produced," Lasn writes. Even refrigerators contribute "noise pollution," so he suggests their total elimination.
For Lasn, the postwar period was the height of American happiness and things have only gotten worse since then. The simpler time he urges us back to, however, seems more like the 1550s than the 1950s. Lasn's vision "means turning away from fast foods and superstores and embracing farmers' markets and the family kitchen; away from hothouse tomatoes and toward your own local supplier, and eventually, perhaps, your own garden plot." It seems that he wants a return to subsistence living or even hunter-gathering -- although eating meat may also be forbidden in his "paradise."
The cost of this brave new world? Lasn recommends: "Not just a carbon tax, but a global across-the-board pricing system." The price he gives of an "ethical" car? One hundred thousand dollars. An "ethical" tank of gas? A bargain at $250. The rich would certainly enjoy the lack of traffic.
And Adbusters casually dismisses arguments for personal freedom as mere "infotoxins." Consumers, in Lasn's world, are nothing but cult members, conditioned by greedy advertisers.
http://activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/o/36-adbusters (http://activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/o/36-adbusters)
Quote from: Solar on February 03, 2012, 09:29:42 PM
Sheesh, you sure jump all over the map, so lets once again, take one at a time.
Hetre is proof that the OWS group is nothing but a bunch of idiot commies.
Well i am going to have to subscribe to adbusters, they seem like a very "on top of it" group.
(at least it wasn't "Time" or something)
Seems they did "suggest" the wall street occupation to a MILLION people and some of them decided it was a good idea.
They certainly are not funding it in any way!
I got to send them money!
OW is going to make a scene this year and have an impact like you have never seen before.
It's going to be 60's Vietnam protests and sit ins powered by twitter and facebook.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 03, 2012, 09:40:31 PM
Well i am going to have to subscribe to adbusters, they seem like a very "on top of it" group.
(at least it wasn't "Time" or something)
Seems they did "suggest" the wall street occupation to a MILLION people and some of them decided it was a good idea.
They certainly are not funding it in any way!
I got to send them money!
OW is going to make a scene this year and have an impact like you have never seen before.
It's going to be 60's Vietnam protests and sit ins powered by twitter and facebook.
No, its going to be the Dim convention riot of 1968 like they are promising.
And look how well that turned out..
You really need to understand one simple premise here, these people are what are commonly referred to as Useful Idiots by the communist.
Once the commies achieve their stated goals, these people will most likely be sent to labor camps.
Study your history, its been repeated often enough.
And you wonder why it is I see a commie threat?
Hell, the Dims are backing these useful idiots.
One other point, look up Fabian socialist, that is what Hussein ascribes to.
Quote from: Solar on February 03, 2012, 10:01:24 PM
No, its going to be the Dim convention riot of 1968 like they are promising.
And look how well that turned out..
You really need to understand one simple premise here, these people are what are commonly referred to as Useful Idiots by the communist.
Once the commies achieve their stated goals, these people will most likely be sent to labor camps.
Study your history, its been repeated often enough.
And you wonder why it is I see a commie threat?
Hell, the Dims are backing these useful idiots.
One other point, look up Fabian socialist, that is what Hussein ascribes to.
:)) :)) :)) :))
god that's funny!
You were a "cold warrior" too long my friend.
Maybe you need an INTERVENTION!
Fabian socialist sounds good to me!
I am all for a socialist/capitalist country like Canada!
My house would not have lost half it's value if some Canadian style regulations had been in place here!
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 03, 2012, 10:12:39 PM
:)) :)) :)) :))
god that's funny!
You were a "cold warrior" too long my friend.
Maybe you need an INTERVENTION!
Fabian socialist sounds good to me!
I am all for a socialist/capitalist country like Canada!
My house would not have lost half it's value if some Canadian style regulations had been in place here!
It wasn't a joke, that is exactly what they claim it will be like.
But seriously, you really need to understand Marxism, which is what Fabian socialists are, they started the movement the day Marx died as a tribute to his legacy.
They felt they could use Marxism as their guide for total control over peoples lives, but without the bloodshed.
There is something to be said for those of us that have seen the degradation of our country and its culture over the decades, but for you to happily jump on the progressive band wagon of the socialists, speaks volumes about your lack of experience in life.
Crack a history book, you have no idea what you are getting yourself into.
Quote from: Solar on February 03, 2012, 10:26:07 PM
It wasn't a joke, that is exactly what they claim it will be like.
But seriously, you really need to understand Marxism, which is what Fabian socialists are, they started the movement the day Marx died as a tribute to his legacy.
They felt they could use Marxism as their guide for total control over peoples lives, but without the bloodshed.
There is something to be said for those of us that have seen the degradation of our country and its culture over the decades, but for you to happily jump on the progressive band wagon of the socialists, speaks volumes about your lack of experience in life.
Crack a history book, you have no idea what you are getting yourself into.
Solar, I have been around the planet twice.
lived in the poorest places on the planet, worked for the Man and seen how the "have nots' are treated by the "haves"
I have seen just how cheap a life is in the 3rd world.
Been to Tibet and meditated with the monks, been inside a secret police dungeon in the middle east.
Been and done and seen it all.
I have lived under Scandinavian governments and it's not so bad.
Only in America do you have the ability to die in the streets poor and hungry!
AND that's the basic problem in one sentence!
America is off course all right.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 03, 2012, 06:38:31 PM
too much caffeine today josie?
Ehh I just hate the swirly bulbs....~ as an interior decorator I find the light they give off to be repulsive.
Quote from: Josie on February 03, 2012, 10:41:07 PM
Ehh I just hate the swirly bulbs....~ as an interior decorator I find the light they give off to be repulsive.
I am not a fan of the "light" they give off either.
and the cost is a bit extreme. they better last as long as they say.
They are pretty durable, not as fragile as an old bulb.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 03, 2012, 10:35:37 PM
Solar, I have been around the planet twice.
lived in the poorest places on the planet, worked for the Man and seen how the "have nots' are treated by the "haves"
I have seen just how cheap a life is in the 3rd world.
Been to Tibet and meditated with the monks, been inside a secret police dungeon in the middle east.
Been and done and seen it all.
I have lived under Scandinavian governments and it's not so bad.
Only in America do you have the ability to die in the streets poor and hungry!
AND that's the basic problem in one sentence!
America is off course all right.
LOL, I too have been around and can tell you that I'd rather die on the street than live in a dictatorship or a socialist nation that takes more than half of what you earn, which were quickly approaching.
Point is, liberalism completely goes against human nature and its struggle to compete, whether its success or failure, it builds strength, take that away and you have a broken man.
Traveling the world decades ago, I noticed one thing, family came first, the old were respected and cared for, but in our country, libs created a system where the family can ignore the issue and let Gov deal with the problem.
The cultural decay in this country can be traced back to every liberal program, no matter how well meaning it was, it always came at a price.
Look at the Black community, all
owned by the left.
As a Tea party guy all we want is a return to saner times a reversal of some of these stifling laws that grip the nation by the throat.
You on the other hand with your support of the OWS group want to give gov an even stronger grip on society, why is that?
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 03, 2012, 10:35:37 PM
Solar, I have been around the planet twice.
lived in the poorest places on the planet, worked for the Man and seen how the "have nots' are treated by the "haves"
I have seen just how cheap a life is in the 3rd world.
Been to Tibet and meditated with the monks, been inside a secret police dungeon in the middle east.
Been and done and seen it all.
I have lived under Scandinavian governments and it's not so bad.
Only in America do you have the ability to die in the streets poor and hungry!
AND that's the basic problem in one sentence!
America is off course all right.
LOL, I too have been around and can tell you that I'd rather die on the street than live in a dictatorship a socialist nation that takes more than half of what you earn, which were quickly approaching.
Point is, liberalism completely goes against human nature and its struggle to compete, whether its success or failure, it builds strength, take that away and you have a broken man.
Traveling the world decades ago, I noticed one thing, family came first, the old were respected and cared for, but in our country, libs created a system where the family can ignore the issue and let Gov deal with the problem.
The cultural decay in this country can be traced back to every liberal program, no matter how well meaning it was, it always came at a price.
Look at the Black community, all owned by the left.
As a Tea party guy all we want is a return to saner times a reversal of some of these stifling laws that grip the nation by the throat.
You on the other hand with your support of the OWS group want to give gov an even stronger grip on society, why is that?
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 03, 2012, 08:30:39 PM
Small problem. Their population is a fraction of ours and they have a progressive tax system. Oh and they look to the US for security.
^^^This, plus all those countries radically limit immigration, the Scandinavian countries having immigration laws that border on racism.
Quote from: CubaLibre on February 04, 2012, 09:42:58 AM
^^^This, plus all those countries radically limit immigration, the Scandinavian countries having immigration laws that border on racism.
something wrong with limiting immigration? Seems like a smart idea.
We do not have limitless jobs, how are we supposed to get unemployment down if we keep accepting millions of immigrants?
We should be retraining those out of work to a skill that is now necessary in our economy.
Limiting immigration in Scandinavia is very wise, they are SMART progressives.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 04, 2012, 10:02:30 AM
something wrong with limiting immigration? Seems like a smart idea.
We do not have limitless jobs, how are we supposed to get unemployment down if we keep accepting millions of immigrants?
We should be retraining those out of work to a skill that is now necessary in our economy.
Limiting immigration in Scandinavia is very wise, they are SMART progressives.
He didn't say it was a bad idea.
Also you are in direct opposition to the Dim party on border crossing.
And that's a good thing. :))
Quote from: Solar on February 04, 2012, 10:05:18 AM
He didn't say it was a bad idea.
Also you are in direct opposition to the Dim party on border crossing.
Not true.
Obama has put MORE boots on the ground at the boarder than Bush ever did!
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jul/02/barack-obama/us-has-more-border-patrol-agents-border-mexico-eve/ (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jul/02/barack-obama/us-has-more-border-patrol-agents-border-mexico-eve/)
this is another conservative smoke screen.
The GOP big business aspect of the party WANT the illegals to work the fields and other cheap labor needs.
Conservatives need to deal with that as opposed to whining all the time about the Dems letting them in!
IF employers DID their jobs and NOT hire illegals, this problem would be much less than it is.
Who are most business owners? GOP.
Do they care about the illegal situation. Only in a political arena.
When it comes to reality, they like to pay less for labor and illegal's help that aspect across the board.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 04, 2012, 10:02:30 AM
something wrong with limiting immigration? Seems like a smart idea.
We do not have limitless jobs, how are we supposed to get unemployment down if we keep accepting millions of immigrants?
We should be retraining those out of work to a skill that is now necessary in our economy.
Limiting immigration in Scandinavia is very wise, they are SMART progressives.
So where do you stand with all the millions of illegals immigrants in the U.S.?
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 04, 2012, 10:22:30 AM
Not true.
Obama has put MORE boots on the ground at the boarder than Bush ever did!
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jul/02/barack-obama/us-has-more-border-patrol-agents-border-mexico-eve/ (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jul/02/barack-obama/us-has-more-border-patrol-agents-border-mexico-eve/)
this is another conservative smoke screen.
Yet he ties the hands of those enforcing the laws on illegal immigration.
Why do you think Southern States have taken him to court over illegals. Jan Brewer wanted to discuss it with him but he dismissed her and rudely walked away.
QuoteThe GOP big business aspect of the party WANT the illegals to work the fields and other cheap labor needs.
Conservatives need to deal with that as opposed to whining all the time about the Dems letting them in!
You are partially correct, this is where a history lesson is in order, look up Bracero project of the 40s.
Both parties are to blame, but it is the left that is buying the illegal vote by trying to usurp the laws of the nation and give them drivers licenses, in turn making them eligible to vote.
Lets not forget how hospitals were told they had to treat them regardless and allow them to come here to have anchor babies, in turn allowing them to bring the entire family here.
This is not a Conservative move, it was solidly a liberal one.
IF employers DID their jobs and NOT hire illegals, this problem would be much less than it is.
Quote
Who are most business owners? GOP.
Do they care about the illegal situation. Only in a political arena.
When it comes to reality, they like to pay less for labor and illegal's help that aspect across the board.
Again, had they been restricted to agriculture, this would not be an issue, but libs changed the rules of the game.
But seriously, if we had clamped down on illegals 40 years ago, there would not be an employment issue today.
The blame belongs to Ca Dims in their effort to rally an illegal base of voters.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 04, 2012, 10:02:30 AM
something wrong with limiting immigration? Seems like a smart idea.
Nothing at all.
Quote
We do not have limitless jobs, how are we supposed to get unemployment down if we keep accepting millions of immigrants?
I don't know. You'd have to ask the "open borders" crowd, most of whom are liberal.
Quote
We should be retraining those out of work to a skill that is now necessary in our economy.
Hell of a lot smarter than paying unemployment checks ad infinitum, which is, again, a liberal policy.
Quote
Limiting immigration in Scandinavia is very wise, they are SMART progressives.
And yet the rest of the world calls us racists for wanting to put up a fence...
Quote from: walkstall on February 04, 2012, 10:30:51 AM
So where do you stand with all the millions of illegals immigrants in the U.S.?
This is a multi faceted issue.
Top of the list is So cal, nevada, new mexico and texas WERE spanish/Mexican territory until we "got them"
Lots of Hispanics have been here a long time.
American citizens, who were adversely affected by Jan Brewers "illegal" legislation.
There are hundreds of thousands of "white" illegals from Canada, and all over Europe, the ex russian countries.
They look like us they don't have to worry about some one tossing them in detention cause they are hispanic looking.
This is also another debate.
Here is So Cal is see hundreds of hispanic workers in tomato fields, strawberry fields.
They don't seem afraid. And that goes back 30 years. day in day out.
We also need to face facts that this labor force keeps our fresh tomatoes and strawberries cheap.
not too many Americans will not do that kind of work.
Perhaps they are part of a guest worker program
I think we should be busting the employers who are employing them.
If they know there is no way to work, why come.
Why we allow such massive LEGAL immigration when we can't employ the ones we have is a mystery to me.
We should retrain the unemployed for jobs we do have.
(but that would be government intervention)
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 04, 2012, 05:04:47 PM
This is a multi faceted issue.
Top of the list is So cal, nevada, new mexico and texas WERE spanish/Mexican territory until we "got them"
Lots of Hispanics have been here a long time.
American citizens, who were adversely affected by Jan Brewers "illegal" legislation.
There are hundreds of thousands of "white" illegals from Canada, and all over Europe, the ex russian countries.
They look like us they don't have to worry about some one tossing them in detention cause they are hispanic looking.
This is also another debate.
Here is So Cal is see hundreds of hispanic workers in tomato fields, strawberry fields.
They don't seem afraid. And that goes back 30 years. day in day out.
We also need to face facts that this labor force keeps our fresh tomatoes and strawberries cheap.
not too many Americans will not do that kind of work.
Perhaps they are part of a guest worker program
I think we should be busting the employers who are employing them.
If they know there is no way to work, why come.
Why we allow such massive LEGAL immigration when we can't employ the ones we have is a mystery to me.
We should retrain the unemployed for jobs we do have.
(but that would be government intervention)
I did not ask for all your dancing (https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi70.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi104%2Ftoddownz%2FSmileys%2Fbull.gif&hash=54de329a504eea5819358efa6bf9a7fabd1fb081)I ask a simple question.
QuoteSo where do you stand with all the millions of illegals immigrants in the
U.S.?
Keep it sample for and old man. You're for it or against it!
Quote from: walkstall on February 04, 2012, 05:48:19 PM
I did not ask for all your dancing. I ask a simple question.
Keep it sample for and old man. You're for it or against it!
Be nice if you actually responded to what I said about the issue, as opposed to your dismissive attitude.
WHO in their right mind would be FOR illegal immigration??
I would guess business owners that currently employ them, like illegal immigration.
I guess coyote's who make big bucks bringing them in, like illegal immigration.
Boarder patrol agents who ave a job, like illegal immigration.
The GOP like illegal immigration so they can bring it up each election cycle, but did very little about it during Bush years.
GOP Had the POWER to go to war but not stop illegal immigration. NOT seal that border.
8 years, 2 wars, no control of the boarder. Damn, that GOP has lied to us again!
I'd be pissed if I was a conservative and wanted this dealt with 20 years ago when REAGAN gave all those illegals amnesty!
What does that tell you?
Maybe the GOP don't really care and they just use the issue to get you guys to vote for them??
ANYWAY I digress and I know Solar like me to keep the posts more concise so you guys can follow.
But let me tell you old man, the issue of illegal immigration and Immigration in general,
is more complex than,
do I like it or not like it.
You old folks need to Expand your horizon. Look at problems from a different perspective!
I will help you old timer! :))
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 04, 2012, 09:02:34 PM
Be nice if you actually responded to what I said about the issue, as opposed to your dismissive attitude.
WHO in their right mind would be FOR illegal immigration??
You old folks need to Expand your horizon. Look at problems from a different perspective!
I will help you old timer! :))
LOL just K.I.S.S
That all I ask for LOL old people rock they see through all your BS
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 04, 2012, 09:02:34 PM
Be nice if you actually responded to what I said about the issue, as opposed to your dismissive attitude.
WHO in their right mind would be FOR illegal immigration??
I would guess business owners that currently employ them, like illegal immigration.
I guess coyote's who make big bucks bringing them in, like illegal immigration.
Boarder patrol agents who ave a job, like illegal immigration.
The GOP like illegal immigration so they can bring it up each election cycle, but did very little about it during Bush years.
GOP Had the POWER to go to war but not stop illegal immigration. NOT seal that border.
8 years, 2 wars, no control of the boarder. Damn, that GOP has lied to us again!
I'd be pissed if I was a conservative and wanted this dealt with 20 years ago when REAGAN gave all those illegals amnesty!
What does that tell you?
Maybe the GOP don't really care and they just use the issue to get you guys to vote for them??
ANYWAY I digress and I know Solar like me to keep the posts more concise so you guys can follow.
But let me tell you old man, the issue of illegal immigration and Immigration in general,
is more complex than,
do I like it or not like it.
You old folks need to Expand your horizon. Look at problems from a different perspective!
I will help you old timer! :))
Seriously?
The Dim party, they want the votes.
The RINO are afraid of the issue out of fear of being labeled anti Mexican, or racist.
But the truth is, anyone can get a legal green card to work, you don't have to break the law, but those that do are here ILLEGALLY, I know that term is hard for you to digest, but it means they didn't follow the rules that the law abiding Mexicans did.
Its funny, were a society based on the rule of law, but the left encourages disorder to suit their agenda, ever really think about that before?
Quote from: Solar on February 05, 2012, 05:48:49 AM
Seriously?
The Dim party, they want the votes.
This sounds like a Conservative talking point to me!
show me a legitimate article about the hordes of illegals getting the proper credential's to vote!
No conservative wacko blog or web site (same as you ask of me)
Quote from: Solar on February 05, 2012, 05:48:49 AM
The RINO are afraid of the issue out of fear of being labeled anti Mexican, or racist.
This is YOUR party.
Nice to see you admit the GOP are pandering to the Hispanic and selling out the country and letting them in so they can court the Hispanic vote!
Got to love a party that panders to all, flip flops for all.
How does Mitt keep it straight?
Lets see? to this group I am pro Hispanic, to that group I and ANTI Hispanic.
No wonder the guy puts his foot in his mouth so often.
Gee, was that Bushes problem too.
He couldn't remember what group he was talking to and couldn't keep the flipping and flopping straight!
Quote from: Solar on February 05, 2012, 05:48:49 AM
But the truth is, anyone can get a legal green card to work, you don't have to break the law, but those that do are here ILLEGALLY, I know that term is hard for you to digest, but it means they didn't follow the rules that the law abiding Mexicans did.
THIS one you are going to have to prove!
"
anyone can get a legal green card to work"
prove this!Quote from: Solar on February 05, 2012, 05:48:49 AM
Its funny, were a society based on the rule of law, but the left encourages disorder to suit their agenda, ever really think about that before?
More conservative propaganda that YOU will have to prove to ME.
I want this bit of vomit proved.
"left encourages disorder to suit their agenda"Shall I run it through Politifact for you?
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 05, 2012, 10:33:15 AM
This sounds like a Conservative talking point to me!
show me a legitimate article about the hordes of illegals getting the proper credential's to vote!
No conservative wacko blog or web site (same as you ask of me)
Seriously? Where have you been keeping your head, in the sand?
Amid the outrage over California Gov. Gray Davis' decision to sign legislation allowing illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses comes the stunning revelation by immigration experts that the Golden State is neither unique nor alone: 14 other states also allow illegal aliens to drive legally on their highways. While many of those states – Alaska, Connecticut, Idaho, Louisiana, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Utah, Washington and West Virginia – have had such laws in place for some time, they have become increasingly scrutinized since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, say analysts with the Federation for American Immigration Reform (http://www.fairus.org/).
http://www.wnd.com/2003/09/20831/ (http://www.wnd.com/2003/09/20831/)
Even more...
http://www.statesman.com/news/nation/illegal-immigrants-moving-to-states-where-they-can-859065.html (http://www.statesman.com/news/nation/illegal-immigrants-moving-to-states-where-they-can-859065.html)
QuoteThis is YOUR party.
Nice to see you admit the GOP are pandering to the Hispanic and selling out the country and letting them in so they can court the Hispanic vote!
Got to love a party that panders to all, flip flops for all.
How does Mitt keep it straight?
Lets see? to this group I am pro Hispanic, to that group I and ANTI Hispanic.
No wonder the guy puts his foot in his mouth so often.
Gee, was that Bushes problem too.
He couldn't remember what group he was talking to and couldn't keep the flipping and flopping straight!
Now you see why we want the RINO out of the party?
QuoteTHIS one you are going to have to prove!
" anyone can get a legal green card to work" prove this!
More conservative propaganda that YOU will have to prove to ME.
I'll qualify that by saying all law abiding can qualify for a green card.
QuoteI want this bit of vomit proved.
"left encourages disorder to suit their agenda"
Shall I run it through Politifact for you?
Again, are you serious? Just look at the OWS crowd and compare it to the Tea party rallies...
The Dims back the OWS crowd, even though they break laws.
Quote from: Solar on February 05, 2012, 11:09:07 AM
Seriously? Where have you been keeping your head, in the sand?
Amid the outrage over California Gov. Gray Davis' decision to sign legislation allowing illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses comes the stunning revelation by immigration experts that the Golden State is neither unique nor alone: 14 other states also allow illegal aliens to drive legally on their highways. While many of those states – Alaska, Connecticut, Idaho, Louisiana, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Utah, Washington and West Virginia – have had such laws in place for some time, they have become increasingly scrutinized since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, say analysts with the Federation for American Immigration Reform (http://www.fairus.org/).
http://www.wnd.com/2003/09/20831/ (http://www.wnd.com/2003/09/20831/)
Even more...
http://www.statesman.com/news/nation/illegal-immigrants-moving-to-states-where-they-can-859065.html (http://www.statesman.com/news/nation/illegal-immigrants-moving-to-states-where-they-can-859065.html)
Now you see why we want the RINO out of the party?
I'll qualify that by saying all law abiding can qualify for a green card.Again, are you serious? Just look at the OWS crowd and compare it to the Tea party rallies...
The Dims back the OWS crowd, even though they break laws.
2 ultra conservative foil hat sites do not PROOF make!
You still haven't proven the green card thing, YET!
I went through the green card process AND it's NOT that easy, AND I was married to a yank!
This is bull excrement unless you got a link that is NOT a right wing site full of fantasy and make believe.
AND now the OW protests that YOU claim, the ""left encourages disorder to suit their agenda".
Still unproven. Just your flapping gums still.
SO then if just saying it makes it true (cause you seem to think that is the criteria here) let me give out some truths.
The GOP are the stooges of big money.
the GOP promote "class warfare" rhetoric to further their agenda.
The GOP pretend to like brown people to get votes.
The GOP want to kill SS and throw granny out in the street!
I can go on all day. Just because I say it does not make it true.
Though I can prove some of these.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 05, 2012, 11:45:43 AM
2 ultra conservative foil hat sites do not PROOF make!
You still haven't proven the green card thing, YET!
I went through the green card process AND it's NOT that easy, AND I was married to a yank!
This is bull excrement unless you got a link that is NOT a right wing site full of fantasy and make believe.
AND now the OW protests that YOU claim, the ""left encourages disorder to suit their agenda".
Still unproven. Just your flapping gums still.
SO then if just saying it makes it true (cause you seem to think that is the criteria here) let me give out some truths.
The GOP are the stooges of big money.
the GOP promote "class warfare" rhetoric to further their agenda.
The GOP pretend to like brown people to get votes.
The GOP want to kill SS and throw granny out in the street!
I can go on all day. Just because I say it does not make it true.
Though I can prove some of these.
Case in point, voter ID, but if you have a license, you can vote.
The left hates the idea of voter ID.
Care to tell me why?
As to the green card, it was never supposed to be easy, that was the point, jobs in this country are for the legal citizens, Not Illegals.
The fact that the obvious stares you in the face, yet you hide in denial is not my problem.
Proving my point to be true is as obvious as the sky is blue, but like the Dim party backing the entry of illegals, I see no reason to prove the sky is blue.
Quote from: Solar on February 05, 2012, 12:04:14 PM
Case in point, voter ID, but if you have a license, you can vote.
The left hates the idea of voter ID.
Care to tell me why?
You have this mixed up!
Cons want everyone to get a voter ID,but they want them to have a license with photo ID to GET the voter ID or use a license as the ID to vote, period.
Many Democrats don't have a license it seems, probably the poor.
Cons see that as an advantage, so they are pushing it
That way, poor, old, and inner city dwellers who don't have a drivers license can't get the ID.
Here is one republicans thought.
QuoteOne Republican has a suggestion.
"Frankly, both sides need to tone it down," says Jon Husted, Ohio's secretary of state.
Husted knows all too well what it's like not to toe the party line. He came out against, and effectively killed, a GOP-backed bill that would have required voters in his state to show photo ID.
"I don't believe you need to have a photo ID to provide for voter security," Husted says.
He told the Republican-controlled Legislature earlier this year that he would prefer no bill to one that might prevent valid voters from having their ballots count. That position earned him the title of "Ohio's Pro-Fraud Republican" in a Wall Street Journal column.
"I'm for preventing voter fraud," insists Husted. "But I'm also for the disabled Korean War veteran who doesn't drive, who doesn't have access to photo ID, having an easy access to cast that ballot because they too have earned that right."
Husted says there are other ways to verify a voter's identity, including allowing those without ID to provide the last four digits of their Social Security number.
Quote from: Solar on February 05, 2012, 12:04:14 PM
As to the green card, it was never supposed to be easy, that was the point, jobs in this country are for the legal citizens, Not Illegals.
YOU said it was easy, that ANYONE could get one. Now you change your tune??
In post 331 you say
QuoteBut the truth is, anyone can get a legal green card to work, you don't have to break the law
I said it was hard. So your a flip flopper as well. Is flip flopping a conservative trait??
Quote from: Solar on February 05, 2012, 12:04:14 PM
The fact that the obvious stares you in the face, yet you hide in denial is not my problem.
Proving my point to be true is as obvious as the sky is blue, but like the Dim party backing the entry of illegals, I see no reason to prove the sky is blue.
Because you can't obviously.
But that's cool. I understand how cons work.
You people only deal in rumor and "facts" from your idles like Rush and Beck, maybe some Orielly.
Once facts are involved you fall apart.
I expect no less.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 05, 2012, 08:31:27 PM
You have this mixed up!
Cons want everyone to get a voter ID,but they want them to have a license with photo ID to GET the voter ID or use a license as the ID to vote, period.
Many Democrats don't have a license it seems, probably the poor.
Cons see that as an advantage, so they are pushing it
That way, poor, old, and inner city dwellers who don't have a drivers license can't get the ID.
You really are turning into a worthless troll that cares nothing about reality, but posts leftists talking points as if he went to class everyday to study them.
Here is reality, they all have some form of ID, otherwise they couldn't but cigs, boos, get the electricity turned on, gas, cableTV, cell phone etc...
But then, you don't deal in the real world, you hide your head in the sand and ignore reality.
QuoteHere is one republicans thought.YOU said it was easy, that ANYONE could get one. Now you change your tune??
In post 331 you say
I said it was hard. So your a flip flopper as well. Is flip flopping a conservative trait??
Because you can't obviously.
How is claiming anyone can get a green card and that it was never meant to be easy is flip flopping?
QuoteBut that's cool. I understand how cons work.
You people only deal in rumor and "facts" from your idles like Rush and Beck, maybe some Orielly.
Once facts are involved you fall apart.
I expect no less.
Try posting some of your own real facts, but we both know you can't because they would prove you to be nothing but a leftist drone.
You really are starting to bore me, all you do is demand proof and when given said proof, move on to another thread and play the same game.
I suggest you get serious about posting, or the members will grow weary of your nonsense and ignore you.
If you are serious about posting, post some solid facts, not talking points or opinion pieces, something you know to be factual.
Quote from: Solar on February 06, 2012, 06:46:18 AM
You really are turning into a worthless troll that cares nothing about reality, but posts leftists talking points as if he went to class everyday to study them.
Said the kettle to the frying pan!
Dude this entire web site is dedicated to talking points!!
Quote from: Solar on February 06, 2012, 06:46:18 AM
Here is reality, they all have some form of ID, otherwise they couldn't but cigs, boos, get the electricity turned on, gas, cableTV, cell phone etc...
are you so ignorant that you don't realize that MANY people do not have a drivers license or "Proper ID".
They don't need them to buy cigs or booze, since they are OLD! You live in a cave or bubble?
Quote from: Solar on February 06, 2012, 06:46:18 AM
You really are starting to bore me, all you do is demand proof and when given said proof, move on to another thread and play the same game.
Dude, I am beginning to think you have early Alzheimer onset!
I ask for proof because you don't give any.
Quote from: Solar on February 06, 2012, 06:46:18 AM
I suggest you get serious about posting, or the members will grow weary of your nonsense and ignore you.
If you are serious about posting, post some solid facts, not talking points or opinion pieces, something you know to be factual.
Oh, like the GDP and job growth stats that I have provided many times, that YOU just ignore and dismiss because your foil hat conservative talking heads say so??
YOU don't deal in reality!
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 07, 2012, 09:31:39 AM
Said the kettle to the frying pan!
Dude this entire web site is dedicated to talking points!!
And all subject to everyone having to prove their BS.
Quoteare you so ignorant that you don't realize that MANY people do not have a drivers license or "Proper ID".
They don't need them to buy cigs or booze, since they are OLD! You live in a cave or bubble?
Dude, I am beginning to think you have early Alzheimer onset!
You do realize most States require an ID to buy beer and that list grew in 2011 when these states passed laws requiring photo ID.
Kansas, Rhode Island, Wisconsin, Alabama, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas.
Lets not forget the push to require ID to purchase drain cleaner.
But don't dare catch a cold or have an allergic reaction, they want a photo ID for that as well.
But to put your idiotic BS to rest, if you ever go to a doctor, they will require a photo ID, or you can kiss your ass good bye, they won't treat you and if they do, forget a follow up.
Any more bright ideas?
QuoteI ask for proof because you don't give any.
Oh, like the GDP and job growth stats that I have provided many times, that YOU just ignore and dismiss because your foil hat conservative talking heads say so??
YOU don't deal in reality!
I saw no reason to embarrass you further, considering I had posted proof as well as others did, that your numbers were bogus!
Just go back and read what I posted seeing how you ignored it the first time around.
Why are leftists so ignorant that they do not know that most state Secretary of State offices will issue "state ID" cards FREE, if you can only rouse your lazy welfare-grabbing self to actually go there and apply for that same card?
FREE. As in, NO CHARGE.
It's the leftists who fail here, not the state governments trying to keep elections honest. The sole reason to not have or use a state ID at any election is that it allows room for voter fraud --- a Democratic Party necessity if they want to get Hussein, Lord of the TelePrompter reelected.
No ID, no vote. Done and done.
Quote from: quiller on February 07, 2012, 12:19:44 PM
Why are leftists so ignorant that they do not know that most state Secretary of State offices will issue "state ID" cards FREE, if you can only rouse your lazy welfare-grabbing self to actually go there and apply for that same card?
FREE. As in, NO CHARGE.
It's the leftists who fail here, not the state governments trying to keep elections honest. The sole reason to not have or use a state ID at any election is that it allows room for voter fraud --- a Democratic Party necessity if they want to get Hussein, Lord of the TelePrompter reelected.
No ID, no vote. Done and done.
The seem to have no problems getting ID for food stamps or a welfair chack.
Quote from: walkstall on February 07, 2012, 12:43:11 PM
The seem to have no problems getting ID for food stamps or a welfair chack.
Not to mention Unions require ID's to vote...
Quote from: Solar on February 07, 2012, 09:46:00 AM
I saw no reason to embarrass you further, considering I had posted proof as well as others did, that your numbers were bogus!
Just go back and read what I posted seeing how you ignored it the first time around.
Oh please EMBARRASS me with some data. Like you have any that proves the GDP is NOT going UP each month!!!
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 08, 2012, 10:14:50 AM
Oh please EMBARRASS me with some data. Like you have any that proves the GDP is NOT going UP each month!!!
The growth rate of the GDP is anemic at best, but lets take a look at those job numbers, shall we?
I hope this isn't above and beyond your comprehension level.
Here are some quick notes about the today's announcement of a "falling" unemployment rate.
In the last year, the civilian population rose by 3,565,000. Yet the labor force only rose by 1,145,000. Those not in the labor force rose by 2,420,000.
In January, the Civilian Labor Force rose by 508,000.
In January, those "Not in Labor Force" rose by an amazing 1,177,000. If you are not in the labor force, you are not counted as unemployed.
Participation Rate fell .3 to 63.7%, taking out a 1984 low
Were it not for people dropping out of the labor force, the unemployment rate would be well over 11%.
Some of those labor force numbers are due to annual revisions. However, the point remains: People are dropping out of the labor force at an astounding, almost unbelievable rate, holding the unemployment rate artificially low.
http://advisorperspectives.com/dshort/guest/Shedlock-120203-Analysis-of-the-Unemployment-Rate.php (http://advisorperspectives.com/dshort/guest/Shedlock-120203-Analysis-of-the-Unemployment-Rate.php)
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 08, 2012, 10:14:50 AM
Oh please EMBARRASS me with some data. Like you have any that proves the GDP is NOT going UP each month!!!
So the economy will be booming before the elections?
You and only a handful of fools believe that BS, even your messiah knows better.
The anointed one knows he trashed the economy and it will take Conservative houses to fix his mess and he's counting on it so he can take credit for a recovery he had nothing to do with.
(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcampaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fstyles%2Fblog_listing_full%2Fpublic%2FObama%2520%25281%2529.jpg&hash=47ea3807fd0d252460e2d83cc0b7357c58c0cdba)
Quote from: Solar on February 13, 2012, 07:29:14 AM
So the economy will be booming before the elections?
You and only a handful of fools believe that BS, even your messiah knows better.
The anointed one knows he trashed the economy and it will take Conservative houses to fix his mess and he's counting on it so he can take credit for a recovery he had nothing to do with.
(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcampaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fstyles%2Fblog_listing_full%2Fpublic%2FObama%2520%25281%2529.jpg&hash=47ea3807fd0d252460e2d83cc0b7357c58c0cdba)
LOL another year or two. That long for the economy to shake off the stimulus? Perhaps it just hasn't kicked in yet.
What odd penmanship Hussein has...
Quote from: taxed on February 13, 2012, 10:00:23 AM
What odd penmanship Hussein has...
For some reason, cursive never stuck with me... :blushing:
Grasping at straws again I see.
Even thought all the stats show the economy going the right way you still have your conservative heads placed firmly in that place where the sun dos not shine.
sad.
Probably why you just say the same talking points over and over!
I predict that the GOP get their butts handed to them in Nov and the party gets a makeover to be more human for 2016 election. A few less crazies in the presidential field.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 13, 2012, 11:01:30 AM
Grasping at straws again I see.
Even thought all the stats show the economy going the right way you still have your conservative heads placed firmly in that place where the sun dos not shine.
sad.
Probably why you just say the same talking points over and over!
No stats show the economy going in the right direction. I encourage you to prove otherwise.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 13, 2012, 11:05:47 AM
I predict that the GOP get their butts handed to them in Nov and the party gets a makeover to be more human for 2016 election. A few less crazies in the presidential field.
Who is grasping at straws?
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 13, 2012, 11:05:47 AM
I predict that the GOP get their butts handed to them in Nov and the party gets a makeover to be more human for 2016 election. A few less crazies in the presidential field.
MJ, is that you?
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 13, 2012, 11:01:30 AM
Grasping at straws again I see.
Even thought all the stats show the economy going the right way you still have your conservative heads placed firmly in that place where the sun dos not shine.
sad.
Probably why you just say the same talking points over and over!
So even when your own messiah says things won't improve for a couple of years, you still don't believe it?
Are you calling Husein a liar?
Quote from: Solar on February 13, 2012, 01:13:59 PM
So even when your own messiah says things won't improve for a couple of years, you still don't believe it?
Are you calling Husein a liar?
Sounds like a clear cut case of racism to me.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 13, 2012, 11:05:47 AM
I predict that the GOP get their butts handed to them in Nov and the party gets a makeover to be more human for 2016 election. A few less crazies in the presidential field.
I bet you said the same thing during the mid term elections.
But this shows just how ill informed you are, we are taking both Houses back and it won't be RINO, it will be conservatives, because the people are pissed, they want adults to fix things.
You kids have screwed things up long enough, the Dim party, the party of fools led by a child.
The dimwits, the liberal democrats, will be bitch slapped back into the minority in the House and Senate....and lets not forget about the impending landslide victory by anyone against Obummer.
You heard it here first folks.......
Quote from: hokiewoodchuck on February 13, 2012, 04:30:47 PM
The dimwits, the liberal democrats, will be bitch slapped back into the minority in the House and Senate....and lets not forget about the impending landslide victory by anyone against Obummer.
You heard it here first folks.......
....and several months ago at that. See the first post in this thread.
But the author of that post has waffled a tad since. When it looked like a RINO (which is anybody who doesn't think exactly like he does)might be the front runner, he "changed his mind." So I'll make a prediction, too, while reserving the right to "change my mind."
There will be many more predictions posted, most of which will be proven to be wide of the mark. And despite assertions they make to the contrary, those making those predictions will abandon them when the going gets a little tight.
Quote from: elmerfudd on February 14, 2012, 11:35:36 AM
....and several months ago at that. See the first post in this thread.
But the author of that post has waffled a tad since. When it looked like a RINO (which is anybody who doesn't think exactly like he does)might be the front runner, he "changed his mind." So I'll make a prediction, too, while reserving the right to "change my mind."
There will be many more predictions posted, most of which will be proven to be wide of the mark. And despite assertions they make to the contrary, those making those predictions will abandon them when the going gets a little tight.
There you go again, projecting.
I responded to you on the very first page, yet you still don't get it.
Read it again!
Quote from: Solar on September 05, 2011, 05:26:10 PM
I don't think I said the Tea party will capture all three houses, but rather the GOP will.
If I did, that was not what I meant.
Quote from: elmerfudd on February 14, 2012, 02:42:12 PM
And there you go again rebutting something I didn't assert. You did, in fact, assert that WE would take all three houses and then later asserted that WE meant the Tea Party. But I accepted your statement that you "misspoke." Which meant you were only predicting republicans would sweep all three houses. But you backed off from that, too, at one point. Saying you had "changed your mind." Which is your right, it's anybody's right. I am just pointing out that these predictions are basically horse hockey, that's all. Including mine.
Show me the link.
Quote from: Solar on February 14, 2012, 03:06:19 PM
Show me the link.
\
Reply numnber one in the Just Wondering thread. And thanks for asking.
Here's my undestanding:
You first said WE would sweep all three houses. Later said WE meant the Tea Party, not the Republican party. These are both in the prediction thread. But since there are only two factions on the right (according to you), Tea Party and RINO, that means you were really predicting a RINO sweep, right? Then in reply number one to the Just Wondering thread, you say a RINO is no different than Obama and you no longer care if Obama wins.
I think there may be something other than tobacco in them stogies you're huffing.
Here's the link
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-1/just-wondering/ (http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-1/just-wondering/)
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 14, 2012, 08:58:39 PM
I have shown proof many times, you guys don't seem to be able to interpret the info too well.
http://www.bea.gov/ (http://www.bea.gov/)
There is plenty of data about GDP, export and manufacturing data here, that proves that everything is growing
AND shows how bad it was at the end of GOP administration.
http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/2012/pdf/gdp4q11_adv.pdf (http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/2012/pdf/gdp4q11_adv.pdf)
this shows GDP growth.
Other than your conservative flapping gums, you guys never prove the economy is failing.
show show me some data that shows the economy is failing!!
Start educating yourself son:
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/02/delayed-recovery-historically-slow (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/02/delayed-recovery-historically-slow)
Quote from: elmerfudd on February 15, 2012, 06:02:01 AM
No, you're the idiot. Go back and reread what I posted, genius. So who's we? The Tea Party or the Rinos? Or something else?
Your inability to grasp simple English is not my problem.
My point is more than clear to all reading this thread.
Now cut the bull shit by cluttering this thread with your nonsense!
Quote from: Solar on February 15, 2012, 07:09:29 AM
Cut the shit lib!
My point was solidly clear, now drop it!
I am just trying to figured out who "we" are. Tea Party? Rinos? Another faction? Can you not answer that one?
Quote from: elmerfudd on February 15, 2012, 07:28:37 AM
Let the record reflect that the witness refused to answer, probably under the 5th amendment protection against incriminating oneself.
Look, you want to prove me wrong, then start a separate thread on it, but quit wasting space on this one.
Quote from: taxed on February 14, 2012, 09:37:33 PM
Start educating yourself son:
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/02/delayed-recovery-historically-slow (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/02/delayed-recovery-historically-slow)
Even these stats from a Right wing crazy site show upward growth.
You cons are in such denial!
It's a slow recovery, SO WHAT!.
You don't think the general public does NOT see the GOP blocking everything the Dems try to do??
The congress has an approval rating in the low teens!!
AND even those of us with our heads deeply inserted in the sand(conservatives) would see that the entire planet is still in an economic pickle, thanks to the GOP and their deregulating the banks!
It's the biggest depression since the thirties! morons
With you Dimwits it is always slow. I have seen signs that say 'Slow Children Playing' and 'Slow Men Working' and now you say a 'slow recovery'?
When are you libs gonna understand you gotta move to make things happen....and you ain't been doing nothing but offering lip service.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 15, 2012, 09:08:43 AM
Even these stats from a Right wing crazy site show upward growth.
Start educating yourself son:
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/02/delayed-recovery-historically-slow (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/02/delayed-recovery-historically-slow)
You cons are in such denial!
It's a slow recovery, SO WHAT!.
You don't think the general public does NOT see the GOP blocking everything the Dems try to do??
The congress has an approval rating in the low teens!!
AND even those of us with our heads deeply inserted in the sand(conservatives) would see that the entire planet is still in an economic pickle, thanks to the GOP and their deregulating the banks!
It's the biggest depression since the thirties! morons
Do me a favor and move this to its own thread.
Thank you.
Quote from: elmerfudd on February 16, 2012, 12:55:17 PM
He can't, can he? But taxed can, can't he? And it was posted in response to a post from taxed.
How thick are you? This is a prediction thread, if he wants, he can post it in a new thread on the subject.
I will be cleaning up the BS in this thread later on.
Quote from: elmerfudd on February 16, 2012, 01:07:00 PM
Not nearly as thick as you. He can repost it, sure. But he can't MOVE it. It'll still be here, won't it?
Dumbass.
No Dumb ass, it won't be and neither will this post!
Quote from: elmerfudd on February 16, 2012, 01:07:00 PM
Not nearly as thick as you. He can repost it, sure. But he can't MOVE it. It'll still be here, won't it?
Dumbass.
Thin ice comrade. Thin ice...
I predict that IF the GOP run a Bible thumper or a corporate raider or a lobbyist for President, they will get their butts handed to them!
Then we will clean up this corrupt political system where "corporations are people my friend".
and then we will get single payer health care!!
and nationalize the oil, gas and minerals and pay off the debt.
(ok, so maybe I am dreaming just a little with that last one.)
I predict we are getting closer and closer to voting from the rooftops, through high-powered scopes.
Quote from: Just_the_facts_mamm on February 22, 2012, 10:10:39 AM
I predict that IF the GOP run a Bible thumper or a corporate raider or a lobbyist for President, they will get their butts handed to them!
Then we will clean up this corrupt political system where "corporations are people my friend".
and then we will get single payer health care!!
and nationalize the oil, gas and minerals and pay off the debt.
(ok, so maybe I am dreaming just a little with that last one.)
Wow you are boring....
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 22, 2012, 08:45:57 PM
Wow you are boring....
Let us all hope you are right. I have a place reserved in my den for a liberals head once mounted!
Quote from: lessthantolerant on February 28, 2012, 12:45:25 AM
Let us all hope you are right. I have a place reserved in my den for a liberals head once mounted!
:lol:
Quote from: lessthantolerant on March 01, 2012, 02:24:11 AM
A man can dream can't he? :smile:
Heh! Reminds me of that fish on the wall that sings.Replace the fish with a Liberal and Shaboom!
I would love to say that I predict that Obama will be unmasked as a usurper who was born in Kenya. Yes, I m a birther.
But unfortunately, what I really predict is that somehow Obama will work it so that he can institute martial law and cancel the elections in November. He already has the authority to close the internet in the event of an emergency; A proclamation which can be put into effect when he alone deems a situation an emergency. Once the internet is shut down, we won't be able to communicate with each other in order to mount an effective resistance. It could be that his henchmen, the OWS bunch, will start a civil war as a pretext for martial law. I remember that during his campaign he said he would establish an internal army, just as well armed and trained as our present military. For what purpose, he didn't say. I'm beginning to suspect the purpose.
But I know for a fact that November will be our last chance to save our country as we know it for posterity. If he and his minions are retained, we are lost.
Obamacare will go down in flames.
That's it, no explanation, I've said it since day one and will say it till the moment SCOTUS rules it unconstitutional.
Quote from: Charliemyboy on March 23, 2012, 03:20:48 PM
I would love to say that I predict that Obama will be unmasked as a usurper who was born in Kenya. Yes, I m a birther logical person who looks at facts and assembles logical conclusions.
But unfortunately, what I really predict is that somehow Obama will work it so that he can institute martial law and cancel the elections in November. He already has the authority to close the internet in the event of an emergency; A proclamation which can be put into effect when he alone deems a situation an emergency. Once the internet is shut down, we won't be able to communicate with each other in order to mount an effective resistance. It could be that his henchmen, the OWS bunch, will start a civil war as a pretext for martial law. I remember that during his campaign he said he would establish an internal army, just as well armed and trained as our present military. For what purpose, he didn't say. I'm beginning to suspect the purpose.
But I know for a fact that November will be our last chance to save our country as we know it for posterity. If he and his minions are retained, we are lost.
Fixed it for you...
Quote from: Solar on March 28, 2012, 05:55:38 AM
Obamacare will go down in flames.
That's it, no explanation, I've said it since day one and will say it till the moment SCOTUS rules it unconstitutional.
You have been saying it, and after listening to the arguments yesterday, I am more than confident this will go down. I even think one of the lib justices will vote against it, because it seems like they are sort of pre-excusing themselves from having to vote against it with stuff like "if you would have said x, y, z...". I'm thinking 5-4 or 6-3 now.
Quote from: taxed on March 28, 2012, 11:59:46 AM
You have been saying it, and after listening to the arguments yesterday, I am more than confident this will go down. I even think one of the lib justices will vote against it, because it seems like they are sort of pre-excusing themselves from having to vote against it with stuff like "if you would have said x, y, z...". I'm thinking 5-4 or 6-3 now.
Yes, the clearer thinking Justices are viewing this as a complete package, not like the lib judges want it to be picked apart.
It may be an even bigger margin than 6-3.
But I'll settle for 5-4, a win is a win. :cool:
Quote from: Solar on March 28, 2012, 12:14:59 PM
Yes, the clearer thinking Justices are viewing this as a complete package, not like the lib judges want it to be picked apart.
It may be an even bigger margin than 6-3.
But I'll settle for 5-4, a win is a win. :cool:
Totally... A 5-4 will be just fine for me :-)
If the USSC were to do their job on a non-partisan level and adhere to the constitution, it would be a 9-0 vote.
Let's reinstitute the original intent of this thread now that things are solidifying.
Obie and his Kenyan Clown Circus versus Romney/???.
I like Allen West but his communists theory seriuosly hurts him with our populas so dumbed down they don't even realize the Democratic party and the Communist party are one and the same.
I like Marco Rubia, but he is young and may be perceived as too inexperienced.
We need to keep Paul Ryan in his place, we need him working for change.
So who can be a counter balance to Mitt the moderate? The ticket needs youth but experience in the business realm.
Now let's wonder down "Hmmm Street"
With the latest circus on poor little Trayvon and the stoking of racism, class warfare and victimology, do the feral hordes within the cities begin to stir and unite into ferall mobs this summer or fall? With unemployment for black yutes already at 80% does the Dimmah Party fire up their SS (Black Pathers) and their Brownshirts (Black Legions) to sow violence and discontent?
Burning building, rioting in the street leave lasting impressions on timid voters who think they have to keep status quo in order to keep the feral yutes from their lawns.
While I hope they want to pour out of the cities this summer and into the burbs, I like target practice on moving targets, what does everyone think?
Plausible?
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Quote from: Solar on April 14, 2012, 01:25:02 PM
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let us all hope this happens in 2012 come November! We still need to have some riots and race wars this summer though!!!
Quote from: lessthantolerant on April 17, 2012, 02:48:29 AM
let us all hope this happens in 2012 come November! We still need to have some riots and race wars this summer though!!!
I hope that's a joke. If not, and you get your wish, may it be in your neighborhood.
Quote from: elmerfudd on May 03, 2012, 07:22:37 AM
I hope that's a joke. If not, and you get your wish, may it be in your neighborhood.
Oh Crap! I hadn't seen his reply, for once we are a bit in agreement, though I see no reason to wish one in his neighborhood, only good people will suffer as a result.
Quote from: Solar on May 03, 2012, 07:27:53 AM
Oh Crap! I hadn't seen his reply, for once we are a bit in agreement, though I see no reason to wish one in his neighborhood, only good people will suffer as a result.
I agree only good people will suffer. That's why I hope it's a joke. But if he's serious and gets his wish, I want him to see if he enjoys it as much as he thought he would.
I thought it was time once again to pull up the prediction thread, seeing just how close we are to the elections.
Anything anyone would like to add at this stage of the game?
I wanted to insert a post I made when we first started the forum and I still stand behind what I said then:
Quote from: Solar on September 25, 2010, 11:00:08 AM
Interesting you would use "New Generation".
I have been saying since Hussein was placed in office, that he would do more for the Conservative cause than anytime since Reagan.
I truly believe, he was to much, too soon and to quickly, he imposed his ideology of Marxism on a Free Country, and the people have finally seen what the dims have been trying to do to the Country for decades.
With that said, I honestly believe the left will be out of power for the next three decades, an entire generation.
They always target the young and impressionable, but this time, the youth don't like what they see; but with the Tea party movement making inroads into the GOP, we may just get rid of the RINO infection that happened when Newt was Speaker of the House.
The true test will be in 2014, will we have Conservatives in power, or more lib GOP?
You're right, when you told me this is a crucial time in the Countries history.
Quote from: Solar on September 02, 2012, 08:34:34 AM
I thought it was time once again to pull up the prediction thread, seeing just how close we are to the elections.
Anything anyone would like to add at this stage of the game?
I wanted to insert a post I made when we first started the forum and I still stand behind what I said then:
Definitely. I think the far left in particular will be relegated to irrelevance, as the Dems move to the center to try and stay alive.
They had their chance, and thankfully they blew it. Which isn't surprising, since they can't get anything right.
Quote from: CubaLibre on September 02, 2012, 09:21:59 AM
Definitely. I think the far left in particular will be relegated to irrelevance, as the Dems move to the center to try and stay alive.
They had their chance, and thankfully they blew it. Which isn't surprising, since they can't get anything right.
It makes me wonder if we will see a split in the party.
One moving far left as in socialist Dem party, and the other a more centrist Dem party.
The division is wide within the party, to wide a chasm for them to find common ground from which to work.
But the way I see it, no one wants what they are trying to force upon us, and in the interim, they will be sidelined by infighting.
Quote from: Solar on September 02, 2012, 09:42:52 AM
It makes me wonder if we will see a split in the party.
One moving far left as in socialist Dem party, and the other a more centrist Dem party.
The division is wide within the party, to wide a chasm for them to find common ground from which to work.
But the way I see it, no one wants what they are trying to force upon us, and in the interim, they will be sidelined by infighting.
I wouldn't be surprised if the radicals jumped over to the Green party. We'll certainly see a change in the political landscape over the next few years, even decades.
I say, let them take their time. :cool:
Quote from: CubaLibre on September 02, 2012, 09:55:24 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if the radicals jumped over to the Green party. We'll certainly see a change in the political landscape over the next few years, even decades.
I say, let them take their time. :cool:
I was just thinking the same thing, not much difference between the green party and Obama's policies.
I predict that Mitt will take this with a 54% win, O will get 40%, and 6% will be a mix of green party/other write-ins (popular vote, I am nowhere near qualified to guess on the EC).
My prediction, is that RINOS will become an endangered species. Socialists will be damned near extinct..................at least in America.
Quote from: kramarat on September 02, 2012, 11:30:21 AM
My prediction, is that RINOS will become an endangered species. Socialists will be damned near extinct..................at least in America.
I don't know. We assume that with the defeat of the far left, the right will gain. It's far more likely that the far left will fade into insignificance, but that the RINO's will join with the disaffected Dems to form a new centrist left party. There's no love lost between the RINO's and the right.
Quote from: mdgiles on September 02, 2012, 12:04:21 PM
I don't know. We assume that with the defeat of the far left, the right will gain. It's far more likely that the far left will fade into insignificance, but that the RINO's will join with the disaffected Dems to form a new centrist left party. There's no love lost between the RINO's and the right.
I'll never understand the problem with self responsibility and government out of our lives. We can take care of the elderly and the handicapped without a problem. Those that can't take care of themselves, will be taken care of.................or at least helped to take care of themselves. Much better phrasing. We are becoming a nation of lemmings.
Quote from: kramarat on September 02, 2012, 12:24:48 PM
I'll never understand the problem with self responsibility and government out of our lives. We can take care of the elderly and the handicapped without a problem. Those that can't take care of themselves, will be taken care of.................or at least helped to take care of themselves. Much better phrasing. We are becoming a nation of lemmings.
The Depression and modern education. The Depression has always been played as a failure of private charity, personal responsibility and the need for government intervention. What many people don't understand is that Hoover - not Roosevelt - is the one who immediately went to the government intervention model. And it didn't work - just as it didn't work when Roosevelt followed Hoover's policies, expanded on them and they still didn't work. Just as they didn't work when Johnson expanded them still further. Modern education has feed us the lie that these failed policies are responsible for American success, when in fact American success has come despite all these useless policies.
Quote from: mdgiles on September 02, 2012, 12:35:07 PM
The Depression and modern education. The Depression has always been played as a failure of private charity, personal responsibility and the need for government intervention. What many people don't understand is that Hoover - not Roosevelt - is the one who immediately went to the government intervention model. And it didn't work - just as it didn't work when Roosevelt followed Hoover's policies, expanded on them and they still didn't work. Just as they didn't work when Johnson expanded them still further. Modern education has feed us the lie that these failed policies are responsible for American success, when in fact American success has come despite all these useless policies.
Well said Gilles.
One more prediction.
Romney 52% Hussein, mid 30 percentile range, 35 to 39% is all he will garner.
The left just hasn't got a reason to vote this year, the Independents will go to Mitten/Ryan.
I predict a week ahead for incredible claims by unbelievable people.
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Quote from: quiller on September 02, 2012, 07:20:10 PM
I predict a week ahead for incredible claims by unbelievable people.
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That guy in the pic is still voting...
Quote from: taxed on September 02, 2012, 07:22:34 PM
That guy in the pic is still voting...
In six precincts.
Quote from: taxed on September 02, 2012, 07:22:34 PM
That guy in the pic is still voting...
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
People begin to see simiarities to carter and Obie's regime begins to look for ways out. Let's hope they all head to Cuba!
Would anyone here be interested in this Political Animation TV Series by HULU. Here is a demo hulu.com/watch/553293. How successful do you think this might be?
Quote from: raygriggsentertainment on November 11, 2013, 04:38:22 PM
Would anyone here be interested in this Political Animation TV Series by HULU. Here is a demo hulu.com/watch/553293. How successful do you think this might be?
Did I watch the right one "I Want Your Money"?
If so, that was excellent, I'd watch more! :thumbup:
Quote from: Solar on November 11, 2013, 05:04:15 PM
Did I watch the right one "I Want Your Money"?
If so, that was excellent, I'd watch more! :thumbup:
That is what come up for me also. Short and sweet.