Fr.om what I am hearing and reading it seems Fiorina is surprising a lot of folks. I would like to see her stick around for awhile.

Quote from: kroz on June 21, 2015, 10:55:48 AM
That would be a perfect arrangement!!

One I too could live with.

Quote from: Darth Fife on June 15, 2015, 08:17:26 AM
It is not superstition nor is it prejudice.

It's the difference between having an cardiovascular surgeon with years of practical experience performing your triple bypass surgery versus an inexperienced academician who only teaches coronary anatomy doing it.

It's skill sets!

A CEO can do lots morre than a President who is bound by Constitutional constraints. Executive exp, while it can be a good thing, is not the end all be all.

Nor should it be why we vote for someone. What should determine that is their political ideology. And in particular, whether they have a true and deep understanding of what our Constitution, says, and means. A POTUS who obey's, and upholds the highest law of the land, is far more important to me, than someone who was a CEO at one time. Even IF they did a good job as a CEO.

Jindal is expected to get in this afternoon.  I like him. 

Quote from: Dori on June 24, 2015, 09:30:46 AM
Jindal is expected to get in this afternoon.  I like him.

The efficiency and smartness are there, but the camera-presence doesn't transfer over to a Presidential-campaign.  Some people just need an acting-coach to learn how project their personality.  Picture him hosting the O'Reilly Factor (like Kasich has)... 

I know Jindal has fortitudinal-leadership skills, by his winning the Louisiana governorship and by his handling of the BP oilspill fiasco.  But he doesn't fill a room with a sense of theatre...  As with Rubio, their 'Republican Responses To The State Of The Union Speech' appearances were disasterously void of charisma.

Quote from: kit saginaw on June 24, 2015, 11:59:57 PM
The efficiency and smartness are there, but the camera-presence doesn't transfer over to a Presidential-campaign.  Some people just need an acting-coach to learn how project their personality.  Picture him hosting the O'Reilly Factor (like Kasich has)... 

I know Jindal has fortitudinal-leadership skills, by his winning the Louisiana governorship and by his handling of the BP oilspill fiasco.  But he doesn't fill a room with a sense of theatre...  As with Rubio, their 'Republican Responses To The State Of The Union Speech' appearances were disasterously void of charisma.

You are right about that, kit!

Te Western Conservative Convention just took place and they did their traditional straw poll.

Here are the results:

Ben Carson-224

Carly Fiorina-201

Scott Walker-192

Ted Cruz-100

Rand Paul-34

Marco Rubio-24

Rick Perry-20

Rick Santorum-16

Donald Trump-15

Mike Huckabee-13

Bobby Jindal-9

Bill Armstrong-6

Jeb Bush-4

John Kasich-4

Chris Christie-3

Lindsay Graham-3

Mitt Romney-3

George Pataki-0

Total-871

http://www.ccu.edu/centennial/2015/06/ben-carson-wins-wcs15-straw-poll-second-year-in-a-row/

I don't think Ted spoke at this convention which explains his fourth place finish.  I attended this Convention a few years back and they do a very good job.  It really is conservative...... not republican!

Why Ben Carson? He'd make an excellent Surgeon General, but just because he's black and leans Conservative doesn't make him qualified. There are a lot of reasons why he's not. There's no reason, at a time like this to settle for someone who's not a warrior willing to fight Obama's bureaucratic army of Leftists.

Quote from: Solar on June 21, 2015, 10:42:05 AM
Maybe. I think he is waiting to see if Cruz falters, because I know they've all done the math, it would cost a lot more than they have to beat him.
Walker, if smart will wait and throw his support to Cruz if he can make a deal for Veep.

Maybe that has been the plan all along.  Let's hope so.  I think it would be the favorite match unless either of them turn rino on us. 

Quote from: kroz on June 28, 2015, 12:50:07 PM
Te Western Conservative Convention just took place and they did their traditional straw poll.

Here are the results:

Ben Carson-224

Carly Fiorina-201

Scott Walker-192

Ted Cruz-100

Rand Paul-34

Marco Rubio-24

Rick Perry-20

Rick Santorum-16

Donald Trump-15

Mike Huckabee-13

Bobby Jindal-9

Bill Armstrong-6

Jeb Bush-4

John Kasich-4

Chris Christie-3

Lindsay Graham-3

Mitt Romney-3

George Pataki-0

Total-871

http://www.ccu.edu/centennial/2015/06/ben-carson-wins-wcs15-straw-poll-second-year-in-a-row/

I don't think Ted spoke at this convention which explains his fourth place finish.  I attended this Convention a few years back and they do a very good job.  It really is conservative...... not republican!

It shows that the conventioners are well informed, more-so by seeing whom they weren't flocking to...  Barbara Bush's kid. 

Carson's Carson.  He's never been near the bottom of any poll I've seen. 

Quote from: kroz on June 28, 2015, 12:50:07 PM
Te Western Conservative Convention just took place and they did their traditional straw poll.

Here are the results:

Ben Carson-224

Carly Fiorina-201

Scott Walker-192

Ted Cruz-100

Rand Paul-34

Marco Rubio-24

Rick Perry-20

Rick Santorum-16

Donald Trump-15

Mike Huckabee-13

Bobby Jindal-9

Bill Armstrong-6

Jeb Bush-4

John Kasich-4

Chris Christie-3

Lindsay Graham-3

Mitt Romney-3

George Pataki-0

Total-871

http://www.ccu.edu/centennial/2015/06/ben-carson-wins-wcs15-straw-poll-second-year-in-a-row/

I don't think Ted spoke at this convention which explains his fourth place finish.  I attended this Convention a few years back and they do a very good job.  It really is conservative...... not republican!

I could see a Walker/Cruz ticket - and just watch the Liberal heads explode!

Quote from: kroz on June 28, 2015, 12:50:07 PM
Te Western Conservative Convention just took place and they did their traditional straw poll.

Here are the results:

Ben Carson-224

Carly Fiorina-201

Scott Walker-192

Ted Cruz-100

Rand Paul-34

Marco Rubio-24

Rick Perry-20

Rick Santorum-16

Donald Trump-15

Mike Huckabee-13

Bobby Jindal-9

Bill Armstrong-6

Jeb Bush-4

John Kasich-4

Chris Christie-3

Lindsay Graham-3

Mitt Romney-3

George Pataki-0

Total-871

http://www.ccu.edu/centennial/2015/06/ben-carson-wins-wcs15-straw-poll-second-year-in-a-row/

I don't think Ted spoke at this convention which explains his fourth place finish.  I attended this Convention a few years back and they do a very good job.  It really is conservative...... not republican!

I'm guessing serious bias in this poll, considering "Centennial Institute is Colorado Christian University's think tank, mobilizing ideas on faith, family, and freedom to strengthen America's future"

Quote from: Solar on July 02, 2015, 10:51:33 AM
I'm guessing serious bias in this poll, considering "Centennial Institute is Colorado Christian University's think tank, mobilizing ideas on faith, family, and freedom to strengthen America's future"

If anything, a Christian bias would produce totally different results than this.  What bias are you thinking of?

Christians tend to like Cruz more than Fiorina.... or even Walker and Carson.  Cruz is the most overtly Christian in the pack.  But I don't think he attended the conference which put him at a disadvantage with those who have never heard him in person.

The biggest surprise to me was Carly's second place.... even above Walker!!  She may be a Christian but that is NOT her strong suit in this race.  She admits that spiritually was not very important to her until she got breast cancer. (foxhole faith) That was her wake-up call.  She still isn't vocal about her faith unless she is in a Christian audience.  Cruz is much more open about his Christian faith.  Therefore I see no overt bias here.

Quote from: kroz on July 02, 2015, 01:04:16 PM
If anything, a Christian bias would produce totally different results than this.  What bias are you thinking of?

Christians tend to like Cruz more than Fiorina.... or even Walker and Carson.  Cruz is the most overtly Christian in the pack.  But I don't think he attended the conference which put him at a disadvantage with those who have never heard him in person.

The biggest surprise to me was Carly's second place.... even above Walker!!  She may be a Christian but that is NOT her strong suit in this race.  She admits that spiritually was not very important to her until she got breast cancer. (foxhole faith) That was her wake-up call.  She still isn't vocal about her faith unless she is in a Christian audience.  Cruz is much more open about his Christian faith.  Therefore I see no overt bias here.

Most of what people remember about Carson, was his speech at the prayer breakfast and his strong Christian beliefs. Beyond that, they appear to know nothing about his lack of core beliefs or understanding of our Bill of Rights.
So yeah, that would appear in the form of ignorant bias.
The Fiorina aspect speaks even more about their ignorance on the candidates running, so this brings a youth movement into the equation.

Without stats, I'd venture a guess this was a very young audience to poll from.

Quote from: Solar on July 02, 2015, 01:30:37 PM
Most of what people remember about Carson, was his speech at the prayer breakfast and his strong Christian beliefs. Beyond that, they appear to know nothing about his lack of core beliefs or understanding of our Bill of Rights.
So yeah, that would appear in the form of ignorant bias.
The Fiorina aspect speaks even more about their ignorance on the candidates running, so this brings a youth movement into the equation.

Without stats, I'd venture a guess this was a very young audience to poll from.

You may be right.  But it wasn't a youth group when I attended a couple of years ago..  It was mostly mature Christians from Colorado's biggest churches.  Most were close to my age.  There were obviously some from the Christian University but not as many as you would expect.  They couldn't afford it or didn't have the time unless that was their area of study in school.  They had a lot of student workers because they were paid positions!

It is true that many conservatives do not know the negatives on all of these candidates.  They DO identify Carson with the prayer breakfast..... but he is an excellent speaker and quite persuasive!