I just started posting here recently and I've been shocked to see members here denounce me as a "socialist" and "leftist". Despite the fact that I don't hold a single political position that has even remotely been considered by anyone other than "conservative".
so what does someone have to believe and post that causes people here to label them in such a manner. I'm genuinely curious.
Left wing socialists like you typically come into a place like this thinking they can hide their ideology from us 'dumb' conservatives because that's what your told from your handlers.
You have no clue how we can see right through you....
Quote from: Owebo on December 20, 2020, 12:56:46 PM
Left wing socialists like you typically come into a place like this thinking they can hide their ideology from us 'dumb' conservatives because that's what your told from your handlers.
You have no clue how we can see right through you....
If you seriously think I'm a socialist then its you who can't see.
Don't know what I've posted in my short time here that even you would disagree with.
Liberals don't come here - lefties, communists, socialists, and Marxists come here.
They don't want to hang around peacefully. They come here to troll. You know how we know? I remember a lefty on a non-political forum admitting it that they go to Conservative sites to troll. So, it is nothing new.
It's the same old thing regardless of their approach. Act aggressive or calm. The end result is all the same.
Lefties will not condemn things. I have asked for condemnation for all types of things, but rarely get it. I have gotten one condemnation response, and one indirect condemnation response (which doesn't mean too much given this forum).
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 20, 2020, 12:53:21 PM
I just started posting here recently and I've been shocked to see members here denounce me as a "socialist" and "leftist". Despite the fact that I don't hold a single political position that has even remotely been considered by anyone other than "conservative".
so what does someone have to believe and post that causes people here to label them in such a manner. I'm genuinely curious.
Assuming your question is a serious and legitimate one, I will attempt to reply in a shortened way. Socialist are people who think everyone should be equal, except them of course. Socialist believe the control of everything by a federal government is better than individual freedom. Socialist believe the democrat party is the gateway drug to full and unfettered government control of every facet of our lives, incrementally so the population never realizes it is happening until it is too late. Socialist believe there is no God, except the federal government, who will replace the need for a God. Socialist believe man is inherently good and will sacrifice their own benefit for the "good of the masses" leading to a disincentive of individuals to try to improve others lives by improving their own. Hope this helps
Quote from: MichaelJ on December 20, 2020, 03:25:36 PM
Assuming your question is a serious and legitimate one, I will attempt to reply in a shortened way. Socialist are people who think everyone should be equal, except them of course. Socialist believe the control of everything by a federal government is better than individual freedom. Socialist believe the democrat party is the gateway drug to full and unfettered government control of every facet of our lives, incrementally so the population never realizes it is happening until it is too late. Socialist believe there is no God, except the federal government, who will replace the need for a God. Socialist believe man is inherently good and will sacrifice their own benefit for the "good of the masses" leading to a disincentive of individuals to try to improve others lives by improving their own. Hope this helps
Well I don't believe in any of that.
Quote from: MichaelJ on December 20, 2020, 03:25:36 PM
Assuming your question is a serious and legitimate one, I will attempt to reply in a shortened way. Socialist are people who think everyone should be equal, except them of course. Socialist believe the control of everything by a federal government is better than individual freedom. Socialist believe the democrat party is the gateway drug to full and unfettered government control of every facet of our lives, incrementally so the population never realizes it is happening until it is too late. Socialist believe there is no God, except the federal government, who will replace the need for a God. Socialist believe man is inherently good and will sacrifice their own benefit for the "good of the masses" leading to a disincentive of individuals to try to improve others lives by improving their own. Hope this helps
Well stated Michael! :thumbup:
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 20, 2020, 12:53:21 PM
I just started posting here recently and I've been shocked to see members here denounce me as a "socialist" and "leftist". Despite the fact that I don't hold a single political position that has even remotely been considered by anyone other than "conservative".
so what does someone have to believe and post that causes people here to label them in such a manner. I'm genuinely curious.
Maybe you missed your call, you might have done better as a comedian. Your opinion of the US Constitution speaks volumes about you and your beliefs. The US Constitution is one of the most perfect governing documents ever written. A muslim, also an American hating socialist/islamist described the Constitution in a negative light. Well fuck him.
The Constitution is a document of freedoms, which of course angers the left/socialist/marxist/scumbags. It gives us "rights" as a free people. Rights from God, not the government. You need to learn it, live it and love it.
If a government gives your rights, it can also take away those rights.
The US Constitution was written in stone, like the Ten Commandments. Only socialists/leftist/marxist/democraps object to such freedoms. It is not a living document, it doesn't need to be adjusted to fit the view of some tyrannical scumbag(s).
Maybe you should go back and look at your posts before asking such a stupid question of us?
We don't need to be a proctologist to see who you are. You don't love America as founded. In your posts I see no allegiance to our system of government, a Republic. We have never been and will never be a Democracy.
Trust me son, you're no conservative with your way of thinking. You need to get a copy of the Constitution. You need to learn, research our founders and understand their logic. This mindset of our founders took place in the 1700's, the men were visionaries. They studied, the learned from the past. They gave us the best system of governance the World has ever seen.
And that's maybe the problem. The left/socialist/marxist don't have the control they would like under our Republic. Our rights come from God, not you or your fellow travelers. We despise you and will fight any effort on the part of your ideology to destroy our Republic. You most likely live on one of the coasts. I can tell you, when John pulls his combine into the shop for the night, he's tired, he's worked a long day. He loves his country and will die for it if he needs to. You leftist/socialist/marxist scumbags don't understand us. We will fight, and we will kill any son of a bitch that wants to take away our freedoms. Show up on my property with your bullshit and you'll be leaving with your eyes closed.
We fly three flags here: the American stripes and stars, the Confederate Battle Flag and the Gadsden Flag. Come and try and take any one of them.
Now I have to go and double up on my blood pressure meds. But when you're running down my country hoss, you walking on the fighting side of me. You leftist assholes have no idea who you're messing with.
Quote from: Pop Daddy on December 20, 2020, 04:55:08 PM
Maybe you missed your call, you might have done better as a comedian. Your opinion of the US Constitution speaks volumes about you and your beliefs. The US Constitution is one of the most perfect governing documents ever written. A muslim, also an American hating socialist/islamist described the Constitution in a negative light. Well fuck him.
The Constitution is a document of freedoms, which of course angers the left/socialist/marxist/scumbags. It gives us "rights" as a free people. Rights from God, not the government. You need to learn it, live it and love it.
If a government gives your rights, it can also take away those rights.
The US Constitution was written in stone, like the Ten Commandments. Only socialists/leftist/marxist/democraps object to such freedoms. It is not a living document, it doesn't need to be adjusted to fit the view of some tyrannical scumbag(s).
Maybe you should go back and look at your posts before asking such a stupid question of us?
We don't need to be a proctologist to see who you are. You don't love America as founded. In your posts I see no allegiance to our system of government, a Republic. We have never been and will never be a Democracy.
Trust me son, you're no conservative with your way of thinking. You need to get a copy of the Constitution. You need to learn, research our founders and understand their logic. This mindset of our founders took place in the 1700's, the men were visionaries. They studied, the learned from the past. They gave us the best system of governance the World has ever seen.
And that's maybe the problem. The left/socialist/marxist don't have the control they would like under our Republic. Our rights come from God, not you or your fellow travelers. We despise you and will fight any effort on the part of your ideology to destroy our Republic. You most likely live on one of the coasts. I can tell you, when John pulls his combine into the shop for the night, he's tired, he's worked a long day. He loves his country and will die for it if he needs to. You leftist/socialist/marxist scumbags don't understand us. We will fight, and we will kill any son of a bitch that wants to take away our freedoms. Show up on my property with your bullshit and you'll be leaving with your eyes closed.
We fly three flags here: the American stripes and stars, the Confederate Battle Flag and the Gadsden Flag. Come and try and take any one of them.
Now I have to go and double up on my blood pressure meds. But when you're running down my country hoss, you walking on the fighting side of me. You leftist assholes have no idea who you're messing with.
Total BS on your part. The U.S. Constitution was not "written in stone" either literally or figuratively. The founding fathers were not gods and the Bill of Rights are not the same as the Ten Commandments.
Thomas Jefferson himself said that the average life of a constitution should be about 20 years because "the world is for the living, not the dead".
And we had a United States of American more than a decade before we even had a Constitution. Think that's irrelevant? During the Civil War Abraham Lincoln reached back BEFORE the Constitution to provide the scholarly underpinnings of his social/political beliefs.
If the Constitution was as perfect as you (hilariously) claim it wouldn't have had to be changed more than two dozen times (so far).
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 20, 2020, 05:01:48 PM
Total BS on your part. The U.S. Constitution was not "written in stone" either literally or figuratively. The founding fathers were not gods and the Bill of Rights are not the same as the Ten Commandments.
Thomas Jefferson himself said that the average life of a constitution should be about 20 years because "the world is for the living, not the dead".
And we had a United States of American more than a decade before we even had a Constitution. Think that's irrelevant? During the Civil War Abraham Lincoln reached back BEFORE the Constitution to provide the scholarly underpinnings of his social/political beliefs.
If the Constitution was as perfect as you (hilariously) claim it wouldn't have had to be changed more than two dozen times (so far).
Your own words tell us you are a socialist lefty.
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 20, 2020, 12:53:21 PM
I just started posting here recently and I've been shocked to see members here denounce me as a "socialist" and "leftist". Despite the fact that I don't hold a single political position that has even remotely been considered by anyone other than "conservative".
so what does someone have to believe and post that causes people here to label them in such a manner. I'm genuinely curious.
You support socialist/leftist idea's. Meddling with our Constitutional amedts (3rd& 7th)thus Giving Govt more power over its citizens and you think with your emotional beanie pulled tight rather than stand back and look at policy. Leftists think with their emotions thats why they are wrong most of the time.
An example of this is your attitude toward President Trump's border security policy, you think he's a racist because he wants to keep out illegals who are a major source of criminal activity in OUR Country You place your delicate sensibilities and PC priorities above National security because He called them Criminals and rapists....even though you know he's right.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on December 20, 2020, 05:19:03 PM
You support socialist/leftist idea's. Meddling with our Constitutional amedts (3rd& 7th)thus Giving Govt more power over its citizens and you think with your emotional beanie pulled tight rather than stand back and look at policy. Leftists think with their emotions thats why they are wrong most of the time.
An example of this is your attitude toward President Trump's border security policy, you think he's a racist because he wants to keep out illegals who are a major source of criminal activity in OUR Country You place your delicate sensibilities and PC priorities above National security because He called them Criminals and rapists....even though you know he's right.
I said nothing about meddling with the 3rd and 7th amendments. No point as they are largely irrelevant anyway.
and I've specifically supported President Trumps efforts at fighting illegal immigration. Including the border walls.
And there was no need for Trump to call illegal aliens "criminals and rapists". Because even if they were 100% salt of the earth types (they aren't) then they are still coming here illegally and thus should be stopped. His saying "criminals and rapists" was an entirely unnecessary incitement that undermined the greater priority of haling illegal immigration in the first place.
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 20, 2020, 05:28:05 PM
I said nothing about meddling with the 3rd and 7th amendments. No point as they are largely irrelevant anyway.
and I've specifically supported President Trumps efforts at fighting illegal immigration. Including the border walls.
And there was no need for Trump to call illegal aliens "criminals and rapists". Because even if they were 100% salt of the earth types (they aren't) then they are still coming here illegally and thus should be stopped. His saying "criminals and rapists" was an entirely unnecessary incitement that undermined the greater priority of haling illegal immigration in the first place.
Link to him calling them that....thanks...
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 20, 2020, 05:28:05 PM
I said nothing about meddling with the 3rd and 7th amendments. No point as they are largely irrelevant anyway.
and I've specifically supported President Trumps efforts at fighting illegal immigration. Including the border walls.
And there was no need for Trump to call illegal aliens "criminals and rapists". Because even if they were 100% salt of the earth types (they aren't) then they are still coming here illegally and thus should be stopped. His saying "criminals and rapists" was an entirely unnecessary incitement that undermined the greater priority of haling illegal immigration in the first place.
Since they are trespassing federally, they are criminals. They are attempting to steal citizenship.
I can't find the original article, but it was an expose of women and their daughters being raped while trying to cross into the United States...
...BY THEIR FELLOW ILLEGALS.
Sounds like they are rapists to me!
Shall we discuss the number of illegals raping citizens?
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 20, 2020, 05:28:05 PM
I said nothing about meddling with the 3rd and 7th amendments. No point as they are largely irrelevant anyway.
and I've specifically supported President Trumps efforts at fighting illegal immigration. Including the border walls.
And there was no need for Trump to call illegal aliens "criminals and rapists". Because even if they were 100% salt of the earth types (they aren't) then they are still coming here illegally and thus should be stopped. His saying "criminals and rapists" was an entirely unnecessary incitement that undermined the greater priority of haling illegal immigration in the first place.
There you go again with the emotion, saying it was unneccessary, necessary or unnecessary is irrelevant, the truth IS Relevant and the FACT is anyone who crosses the border is committing a criminal act, many of these illegals are rapists and engage in gang rape of OTHER ILLEGALS. Also, every single Illegal who enters OUR Country does so under one criminal gang or another, making them part and parcel of the said gang (cartel) criminal enterprize. They are in fact the cartel's "product" just like the drugs and other contraband they smuggle into OUR Country.
Trump had the courage to call it out to the American people, what many of us already knew, & worse many had experienced first hand. This was refreshing since the previous administration lied to us & glorified these people as some kind of working class heros....they were not and are not.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on December 20, 2020, 05:55:24 PM
There you go again with the emotion, saying it was unneccessary, necessary or unnecessary is irrelevant, the truth IS Relevant and the FACT is anyone who crosses the border is committing a criminal act, many of these illegals are rapists and engage in gang rape of OTHER ILLEGALS. Also, every single Illegal who enters OUR Country does so under one criminal gang or another, making them part and parcel of the said gang (cartel) criminal enterprize. They are in fact the cartel's "product" just like the drugs and other contraband they smuggle into OUR Country.
Trump had the courage to call it out to the American people, what many of us already knew, & worse many had experienced first hand. This was refreshing since the previous administration lied to us & glorified these people as some kind of working class heros....they were not and are not.
How can they be criminals if they haven't been convicted of a crime? What crime have they been charged with?
Quote from: Killer Clouds on December 20, 2020, 06:23:01 PM
How can they be criminals if they haven't been convicted of a crime? What crime have they been charged with?
Thats like saying "So how can somebody who rapes a 15 year old girl be called a rapist"
News Flash, entering the USA illegally is a crime, organized smuggling or Human trafficking is a crime, smuggling contraband of any type into our country is a crime. Giving part of your pay from your off the books job while you are here illegally to a criminal orgaization who smuggled you here is a crime.
I can go on but even someone as dense as you should have a clue by now.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on December 20, 2020, 06:33:59 PM
Thats like saying "So how can somebody who rapes a 15 year old girl be called a rapist"
News Flash, entering the USA illegally is a crime, organized smuggling or Human trafficking is a crime, smuggling contraband of any type into our country is a crime. Giving part of your pay from your off the books job while you are here illegally to a criminal orgaization who smuggled you here is a crime.
I can go on but even someone as dense as you should have a clue by now.
You're a fucking hypocrite just like a lot of other assholes on this site. When I said your hero Rittenhouse was a criminal because he had committed crimes I got the same questions. For your information I do think border jumpers are criminals because they committed crimes. Anyone that commits a crime is a criminal including your hero Rittenhouse.
Quote from: Killer Clouds on December 20, 2020, 06:42:02 PM
You're a fucking hypocrite just like a lot of other assholes on this site. When I said your hero Rittenhouse was a criminal because he had committed crimes I got the same questions. For your information I do think border jumpers are criminals because they committed crimes. Anyone that commits a crime is a criminal including your hero Rittenhouse.
Nice try at deflection but whom ever is paying your post by the post troll toll better include some extra for your meds. Rittenhouse is not my hero and I've never discussed him and we aren't discussing him now, we are discussing criminal activity committed by illegal aliens who have committed the crime of illegally crossing the border, smuggling fraud etc etc. thus earning the title "Criminals and rapists".
Quote from: Killer Clouds on December 20, 2020, 06:42:02 PM
You're a fucking hypocrite just like a lot of other assholes on this site. When I said your hero Rittenhouse was a criminal because he had committed crimes I got the same questions. For your information I do think border jumpers are criminals because they committed crimes. Anyone that commits a crime is a criminal including your hero Rittenhouse.
Rittenhouse defended himself from actual criminals.
Didn't we go over this?
I define a Marxist, a Communist and a Leftist the exact same way. Freedom hating, liberty hating, America hating, Constitution hating and supporters of President Trump hating. Any questions?
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on December 20, 2020, 06:56:00 PM
Rittenhouse defended himself from actual criminals.
Didn't we go over this?
Yes we have discussed this Rittenhouse committed his crimes a long time before the riots started. He committed felonies to get the firearm he used to defend himself. He is a fucking criminal.
P.S. Fuck you Billy. I'm not a paid troll and a I'm not a lying hypocrite like you.
Quote from: Dayton3 on December 20, 2020, 04:19:03 PM
Well I don't believe in any of that.
But do your actions indirectly support any of those ideas being pushed? Or do they fight against those ideas?
Quote from: Killer Clouds on December 20, 2020, 06:23:01 PM
How can they be criminals if they haven't been convicted of a crime? What crime have they been charged with?
Cross the boarder illegally and you are automatically a criminal.
Quote from: T Hunt on December 20, 2020, 07:40:03 PM
But do your actions indirectly support any of those ideas being pushed? Or do they fight against those ideas?
I would like to think I fight against those ideas. Though to be honest the extent of my "fight" consists of voting and having letters to the editor published.
Quote from: T Hunt on December 20, 2020, 07:41:50 PM
Cross the boarder illegally and you are automatically a criminal.
Purchasing and carrying a firearm illegally and you are automatically a criminal also. Committing a crime makes someone a criminal. I also agree border jumpers are criminals.
Quote from: Killer Clouds on December 20, 2020, 08:09:20 PM
Purchasing and carrying a firearm illegally and you are automatically a criminal also. Committing a crime makes someone a criminal. I also agree border jumpers are criminals.
He was charged with a misdemeanor for having the weapon. You are beating a dead horse, you or I have no influence over what the charges are or what the verdict will be. Your screaming at everyone who disagrees with you have only accomplished nothing. People see what happened differently, as shown by the misdemeanor charge.
Quote from: Possum on December 21, 2020, 04:28:14 AM
He was charged with a misdemeanor for having the weapon. You are beating a dead horse, you or I have no influence over what the charges are or what the verdict will be. Your screaming at everyone who disagrees with you have only accomplished nothing. People see what happened differently, as shown by the misdemeanor charge.
So illegal aliens are not criminals then correct? Or are you going to admit to being the lying hypocrite you are? Neither you 9r anyone else can explain how Rittenhouse didn't commit a felony to get his gun. So either he's a criminal or border jumpers aren't criminals. Or you're a lying hypocrite too. There's your dead horse asshole.
Quote from: Killer Clouds on December 21, 2020, 04:44:47 AM
So illegal aliens are not criminals then correct? Or are you going to admit to being the lying hypocrite you are? Neither you 9r anyone else can explain how Rittenhouse didn't commit a felony to get his gun. So either he's a criminal or border jumpers aren't criminals. Or you're a lying hypocrite too. There's your dead horse asshole.
Illegal aliens are not protected by our constitution. Learn something before you post.
Quote from: Killer Clouds on December 20, 2020, 07:03:57 PM
Yes we have discussed this Rittenhouse committed his crimes a long time before the riots started. He committed felonies to get the firearm he used to defend himself. He is a fucking criminal.
P.S. Fuck you Billy. I'm not a paid troll and a I'm not a lying hypocrite like you.
Yeah right you are not a paid troll, You are just off your meds.
Illegal aliens and the criminal cartels that traffick them ito our country are still criminals no matter what Rittehouse did your little hissy fit doesn't change it.
Oh, and ANYONE who in any way shape or form supports illegal alien criminals entering or remaining in OUR Country
or Open borders is a leftist and a traitor.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on December 21, 2020, 05:14:06 AM
Yeah right you are not a paid troll, You are just off your meds.
Illegal aliens and the criminal cartels that traffick them ito our country are still criminals no matter what Rittehouse did your little hissy fit doesn't change it.
Oh, and ANYONE who in any way shape or form supports illegal alien criminals entering or remaining in OUR Country
or Open borders is a leftist and a traitor.
Got it. You're the lying hypocrite you've proven yourself to be. IF you were a LEO you were very obviously shitty at your job.
Quote from: Killer Clouds on December 21, 2020, 05:30:09 AM
Got it. You're the lying hypocrite you've proven yourself to be. IF you were a LEO you were very obviously shitty at your job.
Thats the best you can do?....Pathetic