Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 10:37:50 AM
I see that the point completely sailed over your head - you can't blame individuals, especially not individual children, for the failures and incompetence of a nation as a whole.  Going to America is the most logical and economically prudent option for them.  What, do you expect them to put patriotism above their families, or something?

How do you make a rich and free nation, dumb shit. It happens when individuals decide they want something better. Of course in SciFi world they're supposed to wait until the government comes along and does it for them. GOD, you are stupid!

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 10:52:25 AM
Right, because children crossing a 2000 mile border to find a job somewhere in a 4000 square mile country obviously causes damage and violation proportional to an individual robbing someone's house.   

Even if we generously ignore the funny fact that this is coming from someone whose party blatantly violated ratified international war treaties, moral codes aren't just based on "law, rules, norms...".  Things are a little more complicated than that in the Real World, where a nation founded by illegal pilgrim immigrants should probably be a little more flexible in its dealings with new immigrants.

You just don't seem to have the aptitude to understand the difference between individual and collective responsibility.

Really what treaties would that be?

Oh, and for the record, yes, I do expect them to sometimes sacrifice, even if that means they have to put their own nations well being above that of their own.

Our people have done/continue to do so to make our nation great.

So why can't they stay where they are at and do the same as well?

Answer: Because they know bleeding heart liberals in America, who think they're going to be some new votes will be all too eager to give them a hand out, and well it's far far far easier to go to
America for a liberals hand out, than it is to actually make the required sacrifice to make one's own nation better.

Quote from: mdgiles on August 11, 2014, 12:46:19 PM
How do you make a rich and free nation, dumb shit. It happens when individuals decide they want something better. Of course in SciFi world they're supposed to wait until the government comes along and does it for them. GOD, you are stupid!

Quote from: quiller on August 11, 2014, 01:12:22 PM

Quote from: quiller on August 11, 2014, 01:12:22 PM

You forgot my shoe up his ass!

Quote from: mdgiles on August 11, 2014, 01:24:15 PM
You forgot my shoe up his ass!

Cropped for space? Um...didn't know the size? (Don't rush me, I'll think of something....)

Quote from: quiller on August 11, 2014, 01:12:22 PM

Priceless pic and so was his comments!   

Quote from: keyboarder on August 11, 2014, 02:43:42 PM
Priceless pic and so was his comments!   

Pithy works. He left welts.

Quote from: mdgiles on August 11, 2014, 12:46:19 PM
How do you make a rich and free nation, dumb shit. It happens when individuals decide they want something better. Of course in SciFi world they're supposed to wait until the government comes along and does it for them. GOD, you are stupid!

Wait...so, fleeing into the United States and secretly doing intensive labor for less than minimum wage while dodging the government...is waiting for the government to help them, now?   

Go back to school.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 04:06:51 PM
Wait...so, fleeing into the United States and secretly doing intensive labor for less than minimum wage while dodging the government...is waiting for the government to help them, now?   

Go back to school.

They are ILLEGAL! Will you respond to whether you agree with that?

Quote from: supsalemgr on August 11, 2014, 06:02:01 PM
They are ILLEGAL!

Which has...what to do with what mdgiles was saying, exactly?

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 04:06:51 PM
Wait...so, fleeing into the United States and secretly doing intensive labor for less than minimum wage while dodging the government...is waiting for the government to help them, now?   

Go back to school.

We have laws in this country. Things like no child labor. Minimum wage. We also have laws dealing with hours worked and overtime pay. We also have agreements arrived at by agreements between the businesses and workers. What you are doing is driving down the employment of CITIZEN and LEGAL ALIEN workers. If you don't understand what employment of illegals, who work for scraps - AND CAN'T COMPLAIN - does to the wage levels of our citizens then you truly are ignorant. You know, i'll bet that 150 years ago, you would have been in favor of slave labor - because it gave the slaves a job.

Oh and I've already finished school, actually learned something - and you?

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 10:52:25 AM
Right, because children crossing a 2000 mile border to find a job somewhere in a 4000 square mile country obviously causes damage and violation proportional to an individual robbing someone's house.   

What are you babbling about, where do you get this "children are crossing to a find a job"...is that your personal assumption or are you quoting some of your fishy data again?

CHILDREN AREN'T ALLOWED TO WORK IN THE USA unlike 3rd wordl countries like Mexico etc.

Quote from: mdgiles on August 11, 2014, 06:22:06 PM
We have laws in this country. Things like no child labor. Minimum wage. We also have laws dealing with hours worked and overtime pay. We also have agreements arrived at by agreements between the businesses and workers. What you are doing is driving down the employment of CITIZEN and LEGAL ALIEN workers. If you don't understand what employment of illegals, who work for scraps - AND CAN'T COMPLAIN - does to the wage levels of our citizens then you truly are ignorant.

What does any of this have to do with your retarded assertion that illegals are asking for the government to fix everything for them?

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You know, i'll bet that 150 years ago, you would have been in favor of slave labor - because it gave the slaves a job.

Right, because secular humanists have a horrible track record on civil rights. 

But, if you're going to make such a severe accusation, you'd better sure as fuck be able to defend it.  Put yourself in my shoes and give me the logic you think I would have used to defend slavery.  First attempt fails pathetically: slave labor does not give the slaves a job because they don't get paid for it (...duh?).  Try harder on your next one.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 09:17:13 PM
What does any of this have to do with your retarded assertion that illegals are asking for the government to fix everything for them?

I'll explain, as soon as you do, on how children are going to work.

QuoteRight, because secular humanists have a horrible track record on civil rights. 

You mean like the secular humanist who used to run the old "Peoples Democracies". Why they had a wonderful record on civil rights. And if your talking about the Civil Rights movement in this country, maybe you're simply too freaking stupid to know how many of the old Civil Rights leaders were ministers and church leaders.

QuoteBut, if you're going to make such a severe accusation, you'd better sure as fuck be able to defend it.  Put yourself in my shoes and give me the logic you think I would have used to defend slavery.  First attempt fails pathetically: slave labor does not give the slaves a job because they don't get paid for it (...duh?).  Try harder on your next one.

Hit a nerve did I? Perhaps it's because, it's finally dawned on you that forcing the citizens of this country to support ever A-hole who wanders over our borders IS little better than slavery.