Sounds about right.

Why don't the Latins do something for themselves and the
country of their birth, in order to ameliorate their grinding
poverty, illiteracy and lack of skills???????????????
Real simple; because at their core they are cowards too timid
to confront their rulers.They would rather run to the USA than
fight for themselves and their children.
A true story and a measure of national temperament.
During an previous World Cup, Germany was defeated by Brazil.
At the conclusion of that match, Germany resolved to improve.
During the recent WC, Germany crushed Brazil and defeated
Argentina. At the conclusion of these matches, Latin fans, by
the million, as well as their players, cried in public for days.
A stone cold act which says volumes about the mentality and
behavior of Latins.
As for all those about to be Aristotles, Shakespeares, Mozarts,
Einsteins, etc. among Mexico's chillun, if only given a chance;
they don't exist anymore than a Unicorn or a square circle does.
The truth sets us free in contrast to bull shit masquerading as
pious sanctimony.

Quote from: quiller on July 29, 2014, 06:13:49 AM
The only thing pathetic in this thread is yourself. I earned my citizenship. I served my country, not leeched off it.

lol, shitty little 20-somethings who haven't done jack schite but suck off momma's & America's tit.......are always here to tell folks with a little ambition and accomplishment, that they've done nothing.

This little asswipe will never serve anyone or anything, but he will always available to be a bigmouth on what should be, and how it all is, and what it all means.

The internet....where the most useless and least capable (and least motivated) among us, can "be somebody".

Quote from: Walter Josh on July 29, 2014, 12:37:36 PM
Why don't the Latins do something for themselves and the
country of their birth, in order to ameliorate their grinding
poverty, illiteracy and lack of skills???????????????
Real simple; because at their core they are cowards too timid
to confront their rulers.They would rather run to the USA than
fight for themselves and their children.
A true story and a measure of national temperament.
During an previous World Cup, Germany was defeated by Brazil.
At the conclusion of that match, Germany resolved to improve.
During the recent WC, Germany crushed Brazil and defeated
Argentina. At the conclusion of these matches, Latin fans, by
the million, as well as their players, cried in public for days.
A stone cold act which says volumes about the mentality and
behavior of Latins.
As for all those about to be Aristotles, Shakespeares, Mozarts,
Einsteins, etc. among Mexico's chillun, if only given a chance;
they don't exist anymore than a Unicorn or a square circle does.
The truth sets us free in contrast to bull shit masquerading as
pious sanctimony.

I couldn't agree more. You are dead on right that these people are cowards, unwilling to fight for a better life for themselves, and their children.

Contrary to popular liberal myth, the people of the U.S.A. did not just wake up one morning and say, "well we'll build the worlds biggest superpower to ever exist today".

No that came about because the American people have had too, and were willing too, fight for a better nation for themselves and their children since day one.

That's why in my own opinion not only is it arrogant hubris to the extreme, but it also adds insult to the very real injury, when these people just walk on into our nation, as if they are somehow, magically, inexplicably, entitled to receive the benefit of the hard work, blood, sweat and tears our forefathers spent, building that better nation, building that better society for us.

Quote from: daidalos on July 30, 2014, 12:30:40 PM
I couldn't agree more. You are dead on right that these people are cowards, unwilling to fight for a better life for themselves, and their children.

That's stupid.  If they're willing to risk their lives by crossing the border, and then working for far below minimum wage in extremely labor intensive jobs, they're obviously willing to "fight for a better life for themselves, and their children".

You're just obsessed with Collective Guilt, as though individual children somehow deserve to suffer because their nation as a whole is incompetent, which is just ridiculous, and certainly not the attitude you would have if your kid were stranded in a dirt poor part of Mexico City, and could only escape the violence through the US border.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 10, 2014, 11:08:36 PM
That's stupid.  If they're willing to risk their lives by crossing the border, and then working for far below minimum wage in extremely labor intensive jobs, they're obviously willing to "fight for a better life for themselves, and their children".

You're just obsessed with Collective Guilt, as though individual children somehow deserve to suffer because their nation as a whole is incompetent, which is just ridiculous, and certainly not the attitude you would have if your kid were stranded in a dirt poor part of Mexico City, and could only escape the violence through the US border.

So who are these people then?

Quote from: Walter Josh on July 29, 2014, 12:37:36 PM
Why don't the Latins do something for themselves and the
country of their birth, in order to ameliorate their grinding
poverty, illiteracy and lack of skills???????????????
Real simple; because at their core they are cowards too timid
to confront their rulers.They would rather run to the USA than
fight for themselves and their children.
A true story and a measure of national temperament.
During an previous World Cup, Germany was defeated by Brazil.
At the conclusion of that match, Germany resolved to improve.
During the recent WC, Germany crushed Brazil and defeated
Argentina. At the conclusion of these matches, Latin fans, by
the million, as well as their players, cried in public for days.
A stone cold act which says volumes about the mentality and
behavior of Latins.
As for all those about to be Aristotles, Shakespeares, Mozarts,
Einsteins, etc. among Mexico's chillun, if only given a chance;
they don't exist anymore than a Unicorn or a square circle does.
The truth sets us free in contrast to bull shit masquerading as
pious sanctimony.

Probably the question that i have pondered the most is the first statement in your post.  Why don't they do something for themselves?  Just skirting the border is no great accomplishment considering that everything is handed to them to make it when they do get here.  Jobs, food, shelter, medical ins(even if it is Bozocare),
transportation, citizenship.  Good gracious, that's sure enough a clear path to me.
With everything handed to them they have yet to be good citizens.  They are too used to those afternoon siestas when the most of us are still at work.  They know too much about drug trafficing and other illegal ways to make money and this is just another easy way out.  For some to suggest that they are hardworking is just silly.  I don't even have to think about how many hard-working Americans that I know-more of these than any other.  Sure, some of the Mexicans are hard workers but we can't readily identify the whole bunch of them coming here as hard workers. 

We didn't steal land from the Mexicans either.  Would that same land be as livable now if they had been allowed to keep it?  They want the land back because it has been made productive by, yes-Americans. 

It just appears to me that we have and are being invaded by another bunch of welfare folks to go along with the bunch we have to deal with already.  The illegals figure that the Dems have had a good thing going and they want theirs too.  Trouble is, the good thing is about gone.

 

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 10, 2014, 11:08:36 PM
That's stupid.  If they're willing to risk their lives by crossing the border, and then working for far below minimum wage in extremely labor intensive jobs, they're obviously willing to "fight for a better life for themselves, and their children".

You're just obsessed with Collective Guilt, as though individual children somehow deserve to suffer because their nation as a whole is incompetent, which is just ridiculous, and certainly not the attitude you would have if your kid were stranded in a dirt poor part of Mexico City, and could only escape the violence through the US border.

Mexico is a rich country. They have oil and mineral wealth. So why don't they improve where they already live. Why do you believe it's somehow our duty to save them from the rewards of their own cowardice and stupidity. Your problem is, you've come to take the wealth and freedoms you enjoy here for granted, to you they're just background noise. It's not as if anybody has to work to produce them, or fight to protect them. 

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 10, 2014, 11:08:36 PM
That's stupid.  If they're willing to risk their lives by crossing the border, and then working for far below minimum wage in extremely labor intensive jobs, they're obviously willing to "fight for a better life for themselves, and their children".

You're just obsessed with Collective Guilt, as though individual children somehow deserve to suffer because their nation as a whole is incompetent, which is just ridiculous, and certainly not the attitude you would have if your kid were stranded in a dirt poor part of Mexico City, and could only escape the violence through the US border.

Well, if I'm ever in dire straits, I will certainly break into your house and steal your stuff.  Because I know that you're OK with ignoring laws, as long as one has a sad story to excuse it.

The mind of a liberal - ignore the law, rules, norms....for any sad story that you can create.

And always work in "the chilluns" as the biggest part of your lies and excuses.  If anybody doesn't agree, you automatically jump to "you hate the children and want them to die!".

And never ask the other country to take care of their kids, or fix their shit......always make it America's fault and responsibility.  Reparations, dontcha know.......

Quote from: AndyJackson on August 11, 2014, 10:04:30 AM
Well, if I'm ever in dire straits, I will certainly break into your house and steal your stuff.  Because I know that you're OK with ignoring laws, as long as one has a sad story to excuse it.

The mind of a liberal - ignore the law, rules, norms....for any sad story that you can create.

And always work in "the chilluns" as the biggest part of your lies and excuses.  If anybody doesn't agree, you automatically jump to "you hate the children and want them to die!".

And never ask the other country to take care of their kids, or fix their shit......always make it America's fault and responsibility.  Reparations, dontcha know.......

Come on, you don't have to break into his house. SciFi will be there at the front door handing you his stuff. It will be interesting though, when he realizes he has nothing left.

Quote from: mdgiles on August 11, 2014, 10:08:47 AM
Come on, you don't have to break into his house. SciFi will be there at the front door handing you his stuff. It will be interesting though, when he realizes he has nothing left.

Lol, yeah, a true dumbshit always forgets that he needs to feed his own family, or that he actually needs something to live on himself.   But he can't admit it...... the liberal song sheet will fall apart.

Quote from: mdgiles on August 11, 2014, 09:56:38 AM
Mexico is a rich country. They have oil and mineral wealth. So why don't they improve where they already live. Why do you believe it's somehow our duty to save them from the rewards of their own cowardice and stupidity. Your problem is, you've come to take the wealth and freedoms you enjoy here for granted, to you they're just background noise. It's not as if anybody has to work to produce them, or fight to protect them.

I see that the point completely sailed over your head - you can't blame individuals, especially not individual children, for the failures and incompetence of a nation as a whole.  Going to America is the most logical and economically prudent option for them.  What, do you expect them to put patriotism above their families, or something?

Quote from: AndyJackson on August 11, 2014, 10:04:30 AM
Well, if I'm ever in dire straits, I will certainly break into your house and steal your stuff.  Because I know that you're OK with ignoring laws, as long as one has a sad story to excuse it.

Right, because children crossing a 2000 mile border to find a job somewhere in a 4000 square mile country obviously causes damage and violation proportional to an individual robbing someone's house.   

Quote
The mind of a liberal - ignore the law, rules, norms....for any sad story that you can create.

Even if we generously ignore the funny fact that this is coming from someone whose party blatantly violated ratified international war treaties, moral codes aren't just based on "law, rules, norms...".  Things are a little more complicated than that in the Real World, where a nation founded by illegal pilgrim immigrants should probably be a little more flexible in its dealings with new immigrants.

Quote
And always work in "the chilluns" as the biggest part of your lies and excuses.  If anybody doesn't agree, you automatically jump to "you hate the children and want them to die!".
And never ask the other country to take care of their kids, or fix their shit......always make it America's fault and responsibility.  Reparations, dontcha know.......

You just don't seem to have the aptitude to understand the difference between individual and collective responsibility. 

Quote from: mdgiles on August 11, 2014, 09:56:38 AM
Mexico is a rich country. They have oil and mineral wealth. So why don't they improve where they already live. Why do you believe it's somehow our duty to save them from the rewards of their own cowardice and stupidity. Your problem is, you've come to take the wealth and freedoms you enjoy here for granted, to you they're just background noise. It's not as if anybody has to work to produce them, or fight to protect them.

Good point
http://www.niallferguson.com/journalism/finance-economics/pierpaolo-barbieri-and-niall-ferguson-mexicos-economic-reform-breakout

Hopefully it will also mean the central americans will stay in Mexico than continue too the US, but as long as you have a welfare state I doubt jobs in Mexico will stop illegal immigration.

Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 10:37:50 AM
I see that the point completely sailed over your head - you can't blame individuals, especially not individual children, for the failures and incompetence of a nation as a whole.  Going to America is the most logical and economically prudent option for them.  What, do you expect them to put patriotism above their families, or something?

Sci-Fi you prolly truly believe what you say but that doesn't make it so.
The first Marxist Revolution was in Mexico in 1910-20, not Russia.
It's mantra was Land and Liberty and 100 years later nothing has changed.
First Diaz then Madero then Huerta then Villa then Carranza then Zapata
and it all devolved into a factional power contest. The same pattern has been
repeated from Argentina to Venezuelan w/the same results. Nothing has changed!