First there's this:
http://www.commdiginews.com/politics-2/is-anti-illegal-immigration-just-code-for-anti-hispanic-2-16583/ (http://www.commdiginews.com/politics-2/is-anti-illegal-immigration-just-code-for-anti-hispanic-2-16583/)
"Is anti-illegal immigration just code for anti-hispanic?"
No moron's of the left. That's called being pro-law and order. Something your side of the isle know's zilch about, but I digress.
I'm seriously soooo way beyond fed up with liberals trying to trot out that old, tired ass, race card every time the American people overwhelmingly tell their sorry hypocritical, idiotic, asses no.
I know if I'm fed up with that slime ball tactic the left tries to engage in every time one turn's around, others have to be as well. So why don't we ever see anyone speaking out against these liberals who seek to take refuge in the last reserve of the feebleminded?
And then there's this:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/16385-conservative-u-s-hispanics-aim-to-stop-amnesty-and-big-government (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/16385-conservative-u-s-hispanics-aim-to-stop-amnesty-and-big-government)
"Conservative U.S. Hispanics aim to stop amnesty and big government"...
Well so much for the aforementioned liberal assertion that it's just anti-hispanics who oppose this liberal push for amnesty for illegal invaders.
It never fails, every single time these liberals try to push their agenda, here they come trying to trot out the old tired ass race card.
When are they going to "get it" that no, not everyone who dares to disagree with them ideologically and politically, is a racist.
That no, the majority of the American people do not support their political policies and platform.
That no, most Americans see right through the liberals attempts at smearing their political opponents.
As these two articles demonstrate, here are the very groups these liberals allege are being so discriminated against, coming out, saying like the rest of the majority of Americans, NO AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS, NO PATH TO CITIZENSHIP FOR ILLEGALS, NO MORE HANDOUTS FOR ILLEGALS,ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! DEPORTATION FOR THE ILLEGALS. EITHER PROTECT OUR BORDERS AND OUR NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY, OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY FOR THOSE WHO WILL.
Oh oh my bad I forgot, according to the liberal narrative we are all supposed to ignore and overlook Hispanic groups such as those.
Because to hear the left tell it, since all who oppose this push for amnesty are "racists".
Logically, it must follow then, that these folks must just be "self hating hispanics" who oppose illegal immigration....note the sarcasm liberals....:rolleyes:
Looks like I'm a racist since I oppose amnesty. Although I'm trying to figure out which race the card dealers refer to .
I like using 'indocumentados'. The Left has to stop for a second...
So, I'm a racist because I prefer to not see the country overrun with illiterate, unskilled, diseased, criminal foreigners, who do not want to assimilate into American culture, but instead turn America into a richer version of the crap holes they just left; seemingly unable to realize that one of the reasons those other places were crap holes was because those places had no respect for the law. Which raises the question of why, the first thing you did when you came here was break the law. Odd last time I checked that old grey beard in the mirror, I realize I lived through the era when they actually had racism; and wanting to stop hordes of looters from bum rushing the border, looks nothing like it.
Quote from: mdgiles on July 27, 2014, 08:07:50 AM
So, I'm a racist because I prefer to not see the country overrun with illiterate, unskilled, diseased, criminal foreigners, who do not want to assimilate into American culture, but instead turn America into a richer version of the crap holes they just left; seemingly unable to realize that one of the reasons those other places were crap holes was because those places had no respect for the law. Which raises the question of why, the first thing you did when you came here was break the law. Odd last time I checked that old grey beard in the mirror, I realize I lived through the era when they actually had racism; and wanting to stop hordes of looters from bum rushing the border, looks nothing like it.
My entire formative years were spent in the Civil Rights era, and although I was too young in 1964 to go march in Washington, I surely would have. So now I'm a racist for being male and white and because I demand that THESE immigrants follow the same laws as my ancestors did --- who DID become productive Americans. (Evil capitalists and college-educated only because they paid for it, not anybody else).
If Democrats are so elitist they will not hold certain jobs in America, they should say so. If they want slaves but are too gutless to call them that, then they should say so. In the meantime these entry-level jobs ARE the stepping-stone to better things...for those who WANT to work.
Losers like gangbangers or welfare leeches? Gee, just ask a Dem. Sounds like just their kind of voter.
Quote from: mdgiles on July 27, 2014, 08:07:50 AM
So, I'm a racist because I prefer to not see the country overrun with illiterate, unskilled, diseased, criminal foreigners, who do not want to assimilate into American culture, but instead turn America into a richer version of the crap holes they just left; seemingly unable to realize that one of the reasons those other places were crap holes was because those places had no respect for the law.
That is exactly what Washington wants. If we continue to look closely at any one of countries referred to in the post, we find an (effectively) unelected political elite controlling a suppressed population,
controlling the natural resources of the nation, raking in the money, sex, and power, all the while putting on the benevolent Biden/Obama smile. Not to mention the high priests of the Church State.
If there is a question "Why the obsession with mining, oil, timber?" The answer is that the concept of ours; namely, our people are our greatest natural resource, is completely foreign to them. Their idea, that is, the idea of the political elite of South America and their Globalist US, Russian, and Chinese cronies, is that human natural resources means cheap unskilled labor; which is exactly where we are going to wind up if we continue to blindly follow the Clintons, The Kenyans, and official Washington, which, incidentally, is starting to make colonial New Delhi look like Disneyland.
Quote from: red_dirt on July 27, 2014, 08:23:47 AM
".........official Washington, which, incidentally, is starting to make colonial New Delhi look like Disneyland."
We could only wish. The British Civil Service before WW1 was known for it's incorruptibility and intelligence. With only the best of the best being taken after rigorous exams.
I oppose these criminals too. These felons are not a separate race, either. Leftist, anti-American thug term!
Repeating an earlier assertion, there is a fundamental economic reason
why Northern Europe continues to be more advanced than its Mediterranean
neighbors and it has nothing to do w/climate. The same reality applies to
North and South America. Fundamentally, Latins are inflicted w/an infantile
inferiority complex which causes them to compulsively defer to those they
perceive as their betters. This is why they passively tolerate venal oligarchs,
century after century. From Mexico to Argentina and from Chile to Venezuela,
w/few exceptions; political frauds and hustlers call the tune and the peasantry
dances but nothing fundamental ever changes. As a consequence, these
countries are bursting w/low skilled and largely illiterate masses, clueless as
to the reason for their condition. Rather than seize the moment, in the
country of their birth, they vote w/their feet and head here w/their hand out.
When the Irish, Germans, Italians, Russians, Hungarians etc, emigrated here
post Civil War, they discarded their old ways and embraced the new. Not so
w/Latins, who as a consequence, will never assimilate. Instead they will morph
into a mass of disgruntled and disloyal agitators. They merely swap one country
of residence for another, like Gypsies, bringing all their emotional baggage w/them
but nothing a real and lasting value. All economic transactions involve an exchange
of perceived value added but the Latins have little, if anything, to offer.
Quote from: Walter Josh on July 27, 2014, 12:09:25 PM
Repeating an earlier assertion, there is a fundamental economic reason
why Northern Europe continues to be more advanced than its Mediterranean
neighbors and it has nothing to do w/climate. The same reality applies to
North and South America. Fundamentally, Latins are inflicted w/an infantile
inferiority complex which causes them to compulsively defer to those they
perceive as their betters. This is why they passively tolerate venal oligarchs,
century after century. From Mexico to Argentina and from Chile to Venezuela,
w/few exceptions; political frauds and hustlers call the tune and the peasantry
dances but nothing fundamental ever changes. As a consequence, these
countries are bursting w/low skilled and largely illiterate masses, clueless as
to the reason for their condition. Rather than seize the moment, in the
country of their birth, they vote w/their feet and head here w/their hand out.
When the Irish, Germans, Italians, Russians, Hungarians etc, emigrated here
post Civil War, they discarded their old ways and embraced the new. Not so
w/Latins, who as a consequence, will never assimilate. Instead they will morph
into a mass of disgruntled and disloyal agitators. They merely swap one country
of residence for another, like Gypsies, bringing all their emotional baggage w/them
but nothing a real and lasting value. All economic transactions involve an exchange
of perceived value added but the Latins have little, if anything, to offer.
You have a point. but one of the reasons they assimilated into the culture of this country was that their old culture was on the other side of the ocean. With Latin Americans, their culture is right next door, a constant reminder of the way things "should" be. One of our problems with the illegal culture is the constant influx of cultural reminders. And we make it easy for them to not assimilate, like the A-holes who fought making English the national language. No one should be able to live for years in the US and not be able to get around in the majority language. Try retiring somewhere overseas and not be able to get around in the local tongue. If the want to hand out Amnesty, they first thing they should do is round up all illegals and give them a language test. If the illegal parents cant't speak it and the kids can, the kids stay and the parents go - and make sure that's known.
I am just not sure how, in practical terms how we remove 11 million people, some here for 30 or more years.
And I think you have to be careful before assuming the public is on the side of deportation. Virtually every poll ends up suggesting Americans want a path to legality if not to citizenship.
Winning means getting an answer that does not divide the nation, nor prevent the Right from ever winning another presidential election for the loss of all minorities.
Winning policy should not mean losing elections, which it well might if you expel 11 million.
Our LAWS require that the Executive Branch ENFORCE THE DAMN BORDERS. It's the number one job of the Federal government.
Why do libs even talk about "law"?
Quote from: drjim893 on July 27, 2014, 03:52:49 PM
I am just not sure how, in practical terms how we remove 11 million people, some here for 30 or more years.
And I think you have to be careful before assuming the public is on the side of deportation. Virtually every poll ends up suggesting Americans want a path to legality if not to citizenship.
Winning means getting an answer that does not divide the nation, nor prevent the Right from ever winning another presidential election for the loss of all minorities.
Winning policy should not mean losing elections, which it well might if you expel 11 million.
Cut their benefits. No job, no welfare, life is better in Mexico, problem solved.
BTW, "we" have been using that 11 million figure for as long as I can remember. At least a decade. Glad to see we haven't had any new ILLEGAL INVADERS for this long. I suppose it'll still be 11 million Illegals in 2020.
Quote from: drjim893 on July 27, 2014, 03:52:49 PMI am just not sure how, in practical terms how we remove 11 million people, some here for 30 or more years.
And I think you have to be careful before assuming the public is on the side of deportation. Virtually every poll ends up suggesting Americans want a path to legality if not to citizenship.
Polls mean nothing. They are bullshit. The responders are selected by the communists.
Quote from: quiller on July 27, 2014, 08:18:54 AM
My entire formative years were spent in the Civil Rights era, and although I was too young in 1964 to go march in Washington, I surely would have. So now I'm a racist for being male and white and because I demand that THESE immigrants follow the same laws as my ancestors did --- who DID become productive Americans. (Evil capitalists and college-educated only because they paid for it, not anybody else).
If Democrats are so elitist they will not hold certain jobs in America, they should say so. If they want slaves but are too gutless to call them that, then they should say so. In the meantime these entry-level jobs ARE the stepping-stone to better things...for those who WANT to work.
Losers like gangbangers or welfare leeches? Gee, just ask a Dem. Sounds like just their kind of voter.
Interesting you should bring that up. Given that is precisely and exactly what the Democraps want, everyone living on the government plantation.....doing what the government says to do, when it says to do it.
Odd isn't it, that it was also the Democrats which resisted emancipation, which resisted an end to segregation which resisted an end to Jim Crow laws. Not only that, but it bears pointing out that the Dims didn't just resist or oppose these things ideologically.
Oh no, they did so violently. Even splitting the nation and fighting a war over it at one point. Things that make one go hmmm.....So they resist equality, and now, attempt to enslave us all.
Good point you make there, very good point.
Quote from: drjim893 on July 27, 2014, 03:52:49 PM
I am just not sure how, in practical terms how we remove 11 million people, some here for 30 or more years.
And I think you have to be careful before assuming the public is on the side of deportation. Virtually every poll ends up suggesting Americans want a path to legality if not to citizenship.
Winning means getting an answer that does not divide the nation, nor prevent the Right from ever winning another presidential election for the loss of all minorities.
Winning policy should not mean losing elections, which it well might if you expel 11 million.
What in hell are you talking about?
You remove 11 million illegal aliens by putting them on a bus
or plane headed south of the Rio Grande! It's hardly complicated.
Don't know what polls you're talking about but this issue has
galvanized the nation and voters ain't happy. Furthermore, your
assertion that Americans (including Blacks) want a path to
legality/citizenship for these illegals is most emphatically, bull shit.
The 'winning' cliche' is the predictable mantra of the R progressives,
whose politics is always driven by polls but never principle and the
core reason the GOP is deservedly in the commode.
BY the way minorities vote D
Quote from: Walter Josh on July 27, 2014, 09:17:20 PM
What in hell are you talking about?
You remove 11 million illegal aliens by putting them on a bus
or plane headed south of the Rio Grande! It's hardly complicated.
Don't know what polls you're talking about but this issue has
galvanized the nation and voters ain't happy. Furthermore, your
assertion that Americans (including Blacks) want a path to
legality/citizenship for these illegals is most emphatically, bull shit.
The 'winning' cliche' is the predictable mantra of the R progressives,
whose politics is always driven by polls but never principle and the
core reason the GOP is deservedly in the commode.
BY the way minorities vote D
Trust me not ALL minorities vote D, some get off the reservation/ plantation even in this day and age.
Let them in! It's no different from Obamacare.
Quote from: drjim893 on July 27, 2014, 03:52:49 PM
I am just not sure how, in practical terms how we remove 11 million people, some here for 30 or more years.
Because your little heart prevents you from thinking.
Quote
And I think you have to be careful before assuming the public is on the side of deportation. Virtually every poll ends up suggesting Americans want a path to legality if not to citizenship.
That must be what all the protests are about. If they had a faster path to citizenship, they wouldn't be mad.
Quote
Winning means getting an answer that does not divide the nation, nor prevent the Right from ever winning another presidential election for the loss of all minorities.
Not giving these illegals amnesty isn't "dividing the nation". The nation wants these disease carriers and gang members to go back home.
Quote
Winning policy should not mean losing elections, which it well might if you expel 11 million.
Wrong. It's a slam dunk victory.
Ok, here's the thing. After 40 years of the same i think it safe to assume congress is not passing any law that punishes employers for hiring illegals, a solution that will go untouched apparently forever.
And arguing that polls do not matter is telliing politicans their re-election does not matter. Might not matter to you, but matters a lot to them. Meaning they will not take the actions you want because the polls tell them they will lose at the ballot box for doing that.
As for polls are responded to by communists....seriously, where do you get this stuff?
So here is the short version...we are not now and will not ever, forcibly remove 11 or whatever million illegals from the US. I can promise, not matter how long you demand it, how loudly you fight...it is not going to happen.
You would be wiser to consider ideas that could, might, maybe will, be able to be accomplished. Or, you can wave your sword at windmills thinking it makes some kind of difference....it does not.
Quote from: drjim893 on July 28, 2014, 08:04:48 AM
Ok, here's the thing. After 40 years of the same i think it safe to assume congress is not passing any law that punishes employers for hiring illegals, a solution that will go untouched apparently forever.
And arguing that polls do not matter is telliing politicans their re-election does not matter. Might not matter to you, but matters a lot to them. Meaning they will not take the actions you want because the polls tell them they will lose at the ballot box for doing that.
As for polls are responded to by communists....seriously, where do you get this stuff?
So here is the short version...we are not now and will not ever, forcibly remove 11 or whatever million illegals from the US. I can promise, not matter how long you demand it, how loudly you fight...it is not going to happen.
You would be wiser to consider ideas that could, might, maybe will, be able to be accomplished. Or, you can wave your sword at windmills thinking it makes some kind of difference....it does not.
Really? Not which part but all of it? You might be wiser to revisit actual events whereby We The People have already arisen to the occasion of being invaded and shouted by the way of votes that we are good and sick of the way this country is being run. You must be counting on the people just sitting idly by while this country is being sabotaged. Well, I've got a bulletin for ya', It ain't happening.
Im tired of hearing the same old crap about how we can't round up and deport the illegals - they have made it easy for us with their refusal to assimilate into the general population. First cut off all transfers to the South and Central American countries. We can do that with our current banking laws. Then surround these barrios they've created, and check for citizenship - and I tired of hearing crap from "activists" about how this is "insulting" to Hispanic Americans. No it isn't, because they don't want to be lumped in with border jumpers simply because they have the same kind of last name. Check out the program on the Border Patrol, see the last names of the officers? These criminals and gang bangers will be moving down the block from them, not next to Liberal activists.
Quote from: drjim893 on July 28, 2014, 08:04:48 AM
Ok, here's the thing. After 40 years of the same i think it safe to assume congress is not passing any law that punishes employers for hiring illegals, a solution that will go untouched apparently forever.
And arguing that polls do not matter is telliing politicans their re-election does not matter. Might not matter to you, but matters a lot to them. Meaning they will not take the actions you want because the polls tell them they will lose at the ballot box for doing that.
As for polls are responded to by communists....seriously, where do you get this stuff?
So here is the short version...we are not now and will not ever, forcibly remove 11 or whatever million illegals from the US. I can promise, not matter how long you demand it, how loudly you fight...it is not going to happen.
You would be wiser to consider ideas that could, might, maybe will, be able to be accomplished. Or, you can wave your sword at windmills thinking it makes some kind of difference....it does not.
Hit your snooze button and wake up.
Keyboarder,
We the people elected Obama president twice, so pardon me if i remain unimpressed with your fist of power.
Here's the thing, and i repeat...we will not be deporting 11 million folks, and if you think otherwise you live in a fantasy reality. Sorry to say it, but there is zero chance of accomplishing what you desire.
Sure, it is fun to say what crazy you would do if you were in charge, but there are good reasons why you are not in charge, and the adults know what you do not grasp...it just ain't gonna happen.
On the other hand, why not fight for realistic goals, like ID's that track these folks, real penalties against employers hiring illegals.
It just seems to me, accomplsihing real change is better than demanding impossible change.
Quote from: drjim893 on July 28, 2014, 08:56:23 AM
Keyboarder,
We the people elected Obama president twice, so pardon me if i remain unimpressed with your fist of power.
Here's the thing, and i repeat...we will not be deporting 11 million folks, and if you think otherwise you live in a fantasy reality. Sorry to say it, but there is zero chance of accomplishing what you desire.
Sure, it is fun to say what crazy you would do if you were in charge, but there are good reasons why you are not in charge, and the adults know what you do not grasp...it just ain't gonna happen.
On the other hand, why not fight for realistic goals, like ID's that track these folks, real penalties against employers hiring illegals.
It just seems to me, accomplishing real change is better than demanding impossible change.
All we have to do, is to deny them the benefits they haven't earned. If we do that, they will deport themselves.
BTW
We the People also elected Nixon twice.
Just sayin...
-Darth
Quote from: Darth Fife on July 28, 2014, 12:49:06 PM
All we have to do, is to deny them the benefits they haven't earned. If we do that, they will deport themselves.
BTW We the People also elected Nixon twice.
Just sayin...
-Darth
Bingo...
Quote from: mdgiles on July 28, 2014, 08:41:34 AM
Im tired of hearing the same old crap about how we can't round up and deport the illegals - they have made it easy for us with their refusal to assimilate into the general population. First cut off all transfers to the South and Central American countries. We can do that with our current banking laws. Then surround these barrios they've created, and check for citizenship - and I tired of hearing crap from "activists" about how this is "insulting" to Hispanic Americans. No it isn't, because they don't want to be lumped in with border jumpers simply because they have the same kind of last name. Check out the program on the Border Patrol, see the last names of the officers? These criminals and gang bangers will be moving down the block from them, not next to Liberal activists.
mdgiles, as usual, makes a salient point.
When funds are transferred from Country A to Country B
whether by corporations and/or individuals they are subject
to a with holding tax at the source, ranging from 5% to 40%;
depending on the treaty terms agreed between the countries.
The amount w/h can then be reclaimed at the end of the
fiscal years on the tax return of the remitter which forces him
to obtain a tax ID, to maintain adequate records and to file
his tax return in a timely manner. Such a system, easily
implementable through the Banking system, would get the
attention of the Latin Governments actively encouraging
this illegal influx, big time!
Quote from: drjim893 on July 28, 2014, 08:56:23 AM
Keyboarder,
We the people elected Obama president twice, so pardon me if i remain unimpressed with your fist of power.
Here's the thing, and i repeat...we will not be deporting 11 million folks, and if you think otherwise you live in a fantasy reality. Sorry to say it, but there is zero chance of accomplishing what you desire.
Sure, it is fun to say what crazy you would do if you were in charge, but there are good reasons why you are not in charge, and the adults know what you do not grasp...it just ain't gonna happen.
On the other hand, why not fight for realistic goals, like ID's that track these folks, real penalties against employers hiring illegals.
It just seems to me, accomplsihing real change is better than demanding impossible change.
You are neither a "Dr." nor anyone who is interested in dialogue, discussion, or debate. You are 15-25-year-old playing a dumbass game of "pretend I'm a grownup conservative"on the internet, sneaking in dumbass liberal talking points.
That shit's really annoying. Why don't you just move along and stop making the world such a worse place ?
Quote from: drjim893 on July 28, 2014, 08:04:48 AM
Ok, here's the thing. After 40 years of the same i think it safe to assume congress is not passing any law that punishes employers for hiring illegals, a solution that will go untouched apparently forever.
And arguing that polls do not matter is telliing politicans their re-election does not matter. Might not matter to you, but matters a lot to them. Meaning they will not take the actions you want because the polls tell them they will lose at the ballot box for doing that.
As for polls are responded to by communists....seriously, where do you get this stuff?
So here is the short version...we are not now and will not ever, forcibly remove 11 or whatever million illegals from the US. I can promise, not matter how long you demand it, how loudly you fight...it is not going to happen.
You would be wiser to consider ideas that could, might, maybe will, be able to be accomplished. Or, you can wave your sword at windmills thinking it makes some kind of difference....it does not.
You continue to make unprovable assertions, based on feelings;
just like the Dem Left, who argue from the heart, not the mind.
Your assertion that, "it's safe to assume that Congress will never
pass a law that punishes employers' is malarkey. You know no such thing!!!
Also,"we are not now and will not ever forcibly remove 11 million illegals",
is more of the same; sanctimonious blather masquerading as fact.
As history chronicles, events never occur until they do!!! The Almighty
knows; you, most emphatically do not, despite your airs and pretensions.
Quote from: Walter Josh on July 28, 2014, 01:36:41 PM
You continue to make unprovable assertions, based on feelings;
just like the Dem Left, who argue from the heart, not the mind.
Your assertion that, "it's safe to assume that Congress will never
pass a law that punishes employers' is malarkey. You know no such thing!!!
Also,"we are not now and will not ever forcibly remove 11 million illegals",
is more of the same; sanctimonious blather masquerading as fact.
As history chronicles, events never occur until they do!!! The Almighty
knows; you, most emphatically do not, despite your airs and pretensions.
lol, he's not "just like the left"....he's an annoying little shit directly from the far left.
He's quietly snuck in every leftist talking point on the subject -
-The real / only problem is the evil capitalists / CEO's
-It's so dumb to even discuss deportation
-It's so dumb to claim there are communists / communism involved in any of this
-Whatever solution you believe in just will not, can not, should not ever happen, because I say so and I'm A REALLY SMART GIRL......
Quote from: drjim893 on July 28, 2014, 08:56:23 AM
Keyboarder,
We the people elected Obama president twice, so pardon me if i remain unimpressed with your fist of power.
Here's the thing, and i repeat...we will not be deporting 11 million folks, and if you think otherwise you live in a fantasy reality. Sorry to say it, but there is zero chance of accomplishing what you desire.
Sure, it is fun to say what crazy you would do if you were in charge, but there are good reasons why you are not in charge, and the adults know what you do not grasp...it just ain't gonna happen.
On the other hand, why not fight for realistic goals, like ID's that track these folks, real penalties against employers hiring illegals.
It just seems to me, accomplsihing real change is better than demanding impossible change.
First of all, WE didn't do anything towards getting the poser elected, only dim-wit dems and rino-azzed cons did that number.
Second, I've got one of those "feelings" like you're having about the illegals only my feeling is that they might just prefer being buried as to taking their azzes home.
Third, I've never said that I would like to be in charge or named one crazy-azzed thing that I would do if I were in charge. My question is, what the hell are you smoking? You and the "rest" of the so-called adults need to get off the sauce or whatever you're on......but wait, your little latino pals will be furnishing you all your hearts desire of that stuff-can't be interfering with their advent in our world.
Realistic goals? The number one goal anyone should have is getting this administration to quit breaking the law. The laws should not be altered to give illegals access to our country. No talks about amnesty or citizenship to anyone except those that are here legally and can prove that they have been here legally since before 2012. That would cut some of the influx out. Anyone here after Bozo started his second term gets their but sent back home.
Ankle bracelets can be cut off and they would be. If a big ole' thing like the Rio Grande didn't stop them, what good would a removable bracelet do? That's not only silly, it's naive and dumb.
Real change will start by getting rid of the likes of Bozo and crew.
Well what is realistic and what is not?
Maybe, just maybe, we could get legislation after 40 years of not getting it, that would punish employers for hiring illegals...no jobs, no reason to stay. That is possible, but I don't think congress even has a bill in the hopper to that effect today, so why would anyone thing it likely?
As for massive deportation, nice thought, but again there is not any movement to that effect at all in congress and this is not exactly a new problem. Read the polling, the majority support either a citizenship path or legalization, and that means it highly unlikely deportation can happen. So while you cite my speculation, and it is that, my speculation is based upon observing real events.
You cannot win anything demanding the impossible, but you can bring about change with smaller increments.
Conservatives have to decide if it is better to be right but accomplish nothing, or to be pragmatic and make real gains.
Quote from: drjim893 on July 28, 2014, 03:17:56 PM
Well what is realistic and what is not?
Maybe, just maybe, we could get legislation after 40 years of not getting it, that would punish employers for hiring illegals...no jobs, no reason to stay. That is possible, but I don't think congress even has a bill in the hopper to that effect today, so why would anyone thing it likely?
As for massive deportation, nice thought, but again there is not any movement to that effect at all in congress and this is not exactly a new problem. Read the polling, the majority support either a citizenship path or legalization, and that means it highly unlikely deportation can happen. So while you cite my speculation, and it is that, my speculation is based upon observing real events.
You cannot win anything demanding the impossible, but you can bring about change with smaller increments.
Conservatives have to decide if it is better to be right but accomplish nothing, or to be pragmatic and make real gains.
Link?
Things have changed. Illegal Immigration is now the NUMBER ONE PROBLEM facing the USA. Besides, what he's quoting comes with a lot of conditions that illegals could never meet. It's all in how you ask the question.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/173306/one-six-say-immigration-important-problem.aspx?ref=image#1 (http://www.gallup.com/poll/173306/one-six-say-immigration-important-problem.aspx?ref=image#1)
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Quote from: drjim893 on July 28, 2014, 03:17:56 PM
Well what is realistic and what is not?
Maybe, just maybe, we could get legislation after 40 years of not getting it, that would punish employers for hiring illegals...no jobs, no reason to stay. That is possible, but I don't think congress even has a bill in the hopper to that effect today, so why would anyone thing it likely?
As for massive deportation, nice thought, but again there is not any movement to that effect at all in congress and this is not exactly a new problem. Read the polling, the majority support either a citizenship path or legalization, and that means it highly unlikely deportation can happen. So while you cite my speculation, and it is that, my speculation is based upon observing real events.
You cannot win anything demanding the impossible, but you can bring about change with smaller increments.
Conservatives have to decide if it is better to be right but accomplish nothing, or to be pragmatic and make real gains.
OK, one final comment.
Let me be less harsh than much wiser heads have been,
about your idle speculations but suggest you are prisoner
of static thinking, specifically; because an event has not
occurred one must infer that it will never occur. Surely
you're not so obtuse that you fail grasp that this is
beyond preposterous. You and Socrates would have had
an amusing debate.
Lastly, your assertion that Conservatives have to decide
between being right and achieving something (pragmatism)
is the same old secular progressive siren song on offer
every 4 years from the establishment GOP leadership and
as a consequence, Republicans predictably, get neither.
What is abundantly clear is that you are hardly a principled
conservative.
Quote from: drjim893 on July 28, 2014, 03:17:56 PM
Well what is realistic and what is not?
Maybe, just maybe, we could get legislation after 40 years of not getting it, that would punish employers for hiring illegals...no jobs, no reason to stay. That is possible, but I don't think congress even has a bill in the hopper to that effect today, so why would anyone thing it likely?
It is today illegal in every state of the union to hire an illegal immigrant for any reason to do any job. Read carefully: http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/penalties-for-employers-hiring-illegal-immigrants.html (http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/penalties-for-employers-hiring-illegal-immigrants.html)
Quote from: drjim893 on July 28, 2014, 03:17:56 PMAs for massive deportation, nice thought, but again there is not any movement to that effect at all in congress and this is not exactly a new problem. Read the polling, the majority support either a citizenship path or legalization, and that means it highly unlikely deportation can happen. So while you cite my speculation, and it is that, my speculation is based upon observing real events.
You can't be serious.
http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm (http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm)
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/july_2014/most_voters_want_to_send_latest_illegal_immigrants_home_asap (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/july_2014/most_voters_want_to_send_latest_illegal_immigrants_home_asap)
http://conservativetribune.com/deport-more-illegals/ (http://conservativetribune.com/deport-more-illegals/)
http://www.fairus.org/facts/illegal-immigration-and-amnesty-polls (http://www.fairus.org/facts/illegal-immigration-and-amnesty-polls)
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/07/huge_majority_of_americans_want_the_illegal_alien_kids_to_go_home.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/07/huge_majority_of_americans_want_the_illegal_alien_kids_to_go_home.html)
Quote from: drjim893 on July 28, 2014, 03:17:56 PMYou cannot win anything demanding the impossible, but you can bring about change with smaller increments.
"Smaller increments" may be the progressive style. I like absolutes a whole lot more. Shut off the border. That's not impossible; it simply hasn't been done. Send the kids back, every damn one of them. That's not impossible; it simply hasn't been tried, and even talking about it is ridiculed in the circles you inhabit. Don't tell me it can't be done when you're not even willing to try.
Quote from: drjim893 on July 28, 2014, 03:17:56 PMConservatives have to decide if it is better to be right but accomplish nothing, or to be pragmatic and make real gains.
Liberal/progressives would be well-advised to ease up when it comes to telling us what we "have to" or "need to" do. It has not escaped our notice that being "pragmatic" on your terms involves a lot of caving.
Quote from: TboneAgain on July 28, 2014, 04:51:53 PM
It is today illegal in every state of the union to hire an illegal immigrant for any reason to do any job. Read carefully: http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/penalties-for-employers-hiring-illegal-immigrants.html (http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/penalties-for-employers-hiring-illegal-immigrants.html)
You can't be serious.
http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm (http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm)
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/july_2014/most_voters_want_to_send_latest_illegal_immigrants_home_asap (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/july_2014/most_voters_want_to_send_latest_illegal_immigrants_home_asap)
http://conservativetribune.com/deport-more-illegals/ (http://conservativetribune.com/deport-more-illegals/)
http://www.fairus.org/facts/illegal-immigration-and-amnesty-polls (http://www.fairus.org/facts/illegal-immigration-and-amnesty-polls)
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/07/huge_majority_of_americans_want_the_illegal_alien_kids_to_go_home.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/07/huge_majority_of_americans_want_the_illegal_alien_kids_to_go_home.html)
"Smaller increments" may be the progressive style. I like absolutes a whole lot more. Shut off the border. That's not impossible; it simply hasn't been done. Send the kids back, every damn one of them. That's not impossible; it simply hasn't been tried, and even talking about it is ridiculed in the circles you inhabit. Don't tell me it can't be done when you're not even willing to try.
Liberal/progressives would be well-advised to ease up when it comes to telling us what we "have to" or "need to" do. It has not escaped our notice that being "pragmatic" on your terms involves a lot of caving.
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Quote from: drjim893 on July 28, 2014, 03:17:56 PM
Well what is realistic and what is not?
Maybe, just maybe, we could get legislation after 40 years of not getting it, that would punish employers for hiring illegals...no jobs, no reason to stay. That is possible, but I don't think congress even has a bill in the hopper to that effect today, so why would anyone thing it likely?
As for massive deportation, nice thought, but again there is not any movement to that effect at all in congress and this is not exactly a new problem. Read the polling, the majority support either a citizenship path or legalization, and that means it highly unlikely deportation can happen. So while you cite my speculation, and it is that, my speculation is based upon observing real events.
You cannot win anything demanding the impossible, but you can bring about change with smaller increments.
Conservatives have to decide if it is better to be right but accomplish nothing, or to be pragmatic and make real gains.
Such laws already exist, on the books.
The problem, once again folks, is not one in which we need "new law".
The problem is with a total lack of enforcement of already existent law.
Start enforcing already existent law, THEN we can talk about new legislation.
Quote from: taxed on July 28, 2014, 04:53:40 PM
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When I'm awarded a bitch-slap from your direction, I take it as the high praise it is. Thank ya, folks, thank ya. :tounge:
Quote from: drjim893 on July 28, 2014, 03:17:56 PM
Well what is realistic and what is not?
Maybe, just maybe, we could get legislation after 40 years of not getting it, that would punish employers for hiring illegals...no jobs, no reason to stay. That is possible, but I don't think congress even has a bill in the hopper to that effect today, so why would anyone thing it likely?
As for massive deportation, nice thought, but again there is not any movement to that effect at all in congress and this is not exactly a new problem. Read the polling, the majority support either a citizenship path or legalization, and that means it highly unlikely deportation can happen. So while you cite my speculation, and it is that, my speculation is based upon observing real events.
You cannot win anything demanding the impossible, but you can bring about change with smaller increments.
Conservatives have to decide if it is better to be right but accomplish nothing, or to be pragmatic and make real gains.
Jim, you need to use the quote function so others can follow the conversation.
If you don't know how, just ask.
Question: say you are an impoverished single parent of a child in Mexico, and you were dying from a terminal illness. You have relatives up in America that can take this child in. Your kid is very smart, hard working, etc, etc, but Mexico is a shithole with no good schools or much social mobility.
If you were given the opportunity to smuggle your kid through to the States, would you do it? And if not, what the fuck is Plan B? Your kid is basically fucked for the horrible crime of having been born by random probability into a shithole. The conservative rhetoric of "you're poor because you didn't work hard enough!" doesn't really apply here.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 28, 2014, 08:20:17 PM
Question: say you are an impoverished single parent of a child in Mexico, and you were dying from a terminal illness. You have relatives up in America that can take this child in. Your kid is very smart, hard working, etc, etc, but Mexico is a shithole with no good schools or much social mobility.
If you were given the opportunity to smuggle your kid through to the States, would you do it? And if not, what the fuck is Plan B? Your kid is basically fucked for the horrible crime of having been born by random probability into a shithole. The conservative rhetoric of "you're poor because you didn't work hard enough!" doesn't really apply here.
Bleeding hearts are sure making the floor slippery around here. Let the kid remain in the country of his or her birth. We don't need or want any more welfare dependents sucking up tax money.
Quote from: quiller on July 28, 2014, 08:38:24 PM
Bleeding hearts are sure making the floor slippery around here.
You dodged the question. If it were your kid that was stuck in Mexico, what would you do?
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Let the kid remain in the country of his or her birth. We don't need or want any more welfare dependents sucking up tax money.
Funny, since America is a nation of immigrants. On your own principle, you would never have been born.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Protesters Swarm Beacon Hill, 'Livid' Over Illegal Immigration.
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While Bree Sison of CBS Boston estimated that the gathering drew hundreds of people, Jeff Kuhner, the host of WRKO's The Kuhner Report, who organized the rally, put the number closer to 10,000 people.
People carrying signs that said "Deport illegals," and "Americans before illegals" stood just outside the State House from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m.
more @
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2014/07/26/hundreds-attend-anti-illegal-immigration-rally-beacon-hill/tEgyzS5TE5Z6YiI8VBP6aP/story.html (http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2014/07/26/hundreds-attend-anti-illegal-immigration-rally-beacon-hill/tEgyzS5TE5Z6YiI8VBP6aP/story.html)
You know, you can try as hard as you can to justify why children born by chance into another country are less worthy of human rights than children born by chance into the United States, but you'll fail. You'll fail because it's complete bullshit, because Guilt by Association is a concept subscribed to only by pre-enlightenment knuckle dragging neanderthals. It's especially pathetic, because most of you here were born Americans and did not earn your citizenship by any means, yet you think you are somehow uniquely entitled to it for the enormous accomplishment of being born. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 28, 2014, 09:15:38 PM
You know, you can try as hard as you can to justify why children born by chance into another country are less worthy of human rights than children born by chance into the United States, but you'll fail. You'll fail because it's complete bullshit, because Guilt by Association is a concept subscribed to only by pre-enlightenment knuckle dragging neanderthals. It's especially pathetic, because most of you here were born Americans and did not earn your citizenship by any means, yet you think you are somehow uniquely entitled to it for the enormous accomplishment of being born. :rolleyes:
Thanks for frameworking the lib hypocrisy of
abortion.
What happened to the
how do you know an illegal kid isn't a prodigy at something question?
Yeah, you're enlightened. Why'd the kids wait so long to start arriving here, then? 57,000 arrive within 5 weeks and it's a 'human rights' issue rather than an American Law issue.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 28, 2014, 08:58:06 PM
You dodged the question. If it were your kid that was stuck in Mexico, what would you do?
The question isn't some emotional appeal to my bleeding heart. The question is why should the country next door pay for the failures of your country.
QuoteFunny, since America is a nation of immigrants. On your own principle, you would never have been born.
America is a nation of
LEGAL immigrants. I really wish all you Leftards would stop trying to conflate
LEGAL and
ILLEGAL. The words have two different meanings
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 28, 2014, 09:15:38 PM
You know, you can try as hard as you can to justify why children born by chance into another country are less worthy of human rights than children born by chance into the United States, but you'll fail. You'll fail because it's complete bullshit, because Guilt by Association is a concept subscribed to only by pre-enlightenment knuckle dragging neanderthals. It's especially pathetic, because most of you here were born Americans and did not earn your citizenship by any means, yet you think you are somehow uniquely entitled to it for the enormous accomplishment of being born. :rolleyes:
By the same idiotic token logic, do you have a right to go to another country demanding citizenship, and why not?
Because these places all have borders and culture they want to protect, would it be right if the Chinese decided they wanted to go to say, Guatemala by the thousands, never bothering to learn the language, culture, laws, get immunized, support themselves.
Do you have that same right, are you justified in demanding they let you in and accommodate YOU?
Quote from: mdgiles on July 29, 2014, 04:44:09 AM
The question isn't some emotional appeal to my bleeding heart. The question is why should the country next door pay for the failures of your country.America is a nation of LEGAL immigrants. I really wish all you Leftards would stop trying to conflate LEGAL and ILLEGAL. The words have two different meanings
What's amazing, is he actually sees this in the left right paradigm, he believes all these protests are by Conservatives, that none of these people are of color, none went through the legal process, taking pride in becoming Americans.
He actually thinks the left stayed home and either ignored the problem or embraced it because they were told to hate anything the right was against, which apparently means any law established protecting the nation from invasion.
Never once considering Qaida, Hamas or any other terrorist group looking for easy entry into thew US.
No, we should just open our borders to anyone that wants to come here.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 28, 2014, 08:58:06 PM
You dodged the question. If it were your kid that was stuck in Mexico, what would you do?
Funny, since America is a nation of immigrants. On your own principle, you would never have been born.
America is a nation of legal immigrants. They hate your lying ass, and the illegals, just as much as any conservative American does.
If your kid is stuck in Mexico because you let him/ her get dragged across 2 or 3 countries, raped, beaten, sold a few times.....you'd be a POS that needs to be stomped.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 28, 2014, 08:58:06 PM
You dodged the question. If it were your kid that was stuck in Mexico, what would you do?
Funny, since America is a nation of immigrants. On your own principle, you would never have been born.
Dodge WHAT question, sonny? The illegitimacy of your position?
Stupidity on your scale is difficult to resist a hard slap to your empty melon, kid. I do not have kids in Mexico. I don't play asinine what-if games from morons too ignorant to understand sovereignty.
I wouldn't have been born? Really? Got any proof to support that stupendously ignorant position?
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 28, 2014, 08:20:17 PM
Question: say you are an impoverished single parent of a child in Mexico, and you were dying from a terminal illness. You have relatives up in America that can take this child in. Your kid is very smart, hard working, etc, etc, but Mexico is a shithole with no good schools or much social mobility.
If you were given the opportunity to smuggle your kid through to the States, would you do it? And if not, what the fuck is Plan B? Your kid is basically fucked for the horrible crime of having been born by random probability into a shithole. The conservative rhetoric of "you're poor because you didn't work hard enough!" doesn't really apply here.
haha, yeah, there's always a moronic, completely stilted, biased, slanted story to justify the false, illegal, and stupid.
Thanks for your version.
A country turned to shit doesn't automatically equate to destroying the USA. For you I'm sure it does.
Quote from: quiller on July 29, 2014, 06:06:20 AM
Dodge WHAT question, sonny? The illegitimacy of your position?
Stupidity on your scale is difficult to resist a hard slap to your empty melon, kid. I do not have kids in Mexico. I don't play asinine what-if games from morons too ignorant to understand sovereignty.
I wouldn't have been born? Really? Got any proof to support that stupendously ignorant position?
This boy's posts have turned into an encyclopedia of dumbass liberal canards, red herrings, white elephants, strawmen, and out & out bullshit.
I was gonna highlight each piece of horseshit in one of his posts, then I realized I'd literally be highlighting every word.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 28, 2014, 09:15:38 PM
It's especially pathetic, because most of you here were born Americans and did not earn your citizenship by any means, yet you think you are somehow uniquely entitled to it for the enormous accomplishment of being born. :rolleyes:
The only thing pathetic in this thread is yourself. I earned my citizenship. I served my country, not leeched off it.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 28, 2014, 08:20:17 PM
Question: say you are an impoverished single parent of a child in Mexico, and you were dying from a terminal illness. You have relatives up in America that can take this child in. Your kid is very smart, hard working, etc, etc, but Mexico is a shithole with no good schools or much social mobility.
If you were given the opportunity to smuggle your kid through to the States, would you do it?
If I were the Mexican parent, and I thought the US was inviting me and giving me all kinds of free things and new Obama shoes, AND their health care system was still somewhat intact before being destroyed by the ACA scam, yes, I would try. If I thought if I had a chance to make it to the border without being killed, and if I did, there would be no assistance or job waiting on me, and I would be thrown in jail and possibly separated from my child for a length of time, then no, I wouldn't.
I love your hypotheticals. They are so easy to answer.
Quote
And if not, what the fuck is Plan B?
I don't know and don't care.
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Your kid is basically fucked for the horrible crime of having been born by random probability into a shithole.
Now you see why we don't want to turn our country into the same shithole, and why we fight liberalism at every turn. We don't want to be a third world country either. I'm glad you agree.
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The conservative rhetoric of "you're poor because you didn't work hard enough!" doesn't really apply here.
Correct. They don't have our Republic and system. It's funny when you libs point to a country and complain how unfortunate they are, while trying to "fundamentally transform" us into the same thing. Oh I love you libs so much.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on July 28, 2014, 09:15:38 PM
You know, you can try as hard as you can to justify why children born by chance into another country are less worthy of human rights than children born by chance into the United States, but you'll fail.
Who says that?
Quote
You'll fail because it's complete bullshit,
You got that right. Now wipe your face off.
Quote
because Guilt by Association is a concept subscribed to only by pre-enlightenment knuckle dragging neanderthals.
It's especially pathetic, because most of you here were born Americans and did not earn your citizenship by any means, yet you think you are somehow uniquely entitled to it for the enormous accomplishment of being born. :rolleyes:
I was fortunate enough to be born in the USA, hence why I want to preserve this system and keep out the 3rd world. See how that works?
Quote from: taxed on July 29, 2014, 06:17:55 AM
Who says that?
You got that right. Now wipe your face off.
I was fortunate enough to be born in the USA, hence why I want to preserve this system and keep out the 3rd world. See how that works?
His argument works off the false premise that we keep people out of the country, just because.
We don't, in fact anyone and everyone is welcome, on the grounds they learn our laws and and are willing to assimilate.
Why is that so much to ask?
The brain-dead left always cranks up their top-grade snivels when the subject comes to "too much" police in America. Of course, OWS never shat on cars or threw any riots---just ask them. Of course the druggies don't rob people to pay for their next fix---just ask them. Of course Democrats don't steal, just ask the union rats whose union officers get sent up for embezzlement. It's all a lie concocted by right-wing death-beasts determined to Keep the Little Guy Down---just ask them.
So sure, let's throw open our borders and take in every single one of the world's losers, the ones their own countries don't care about and will not support. Sure, we're all multimillionaires and can EASILY afford the obscene taxes levied on us by the runaway criminal Obama junta. Let's pay for a gazillion MORE cops....
...and then enjoy leftist sniveling because crime went up, and freedom went down.
Quote from: Solar on July 29, 2014, 06:23:23 AM
His argument works off the false premise that we keep people out of the country, just because.
We don't, in fact anyone and everyone is welcome, on the grounds they learn our laws and and are willing to assimilate.
Why is that so much to ask?
Because they'd vote Republican.
Quote from: daidalos on July 28, 2014, 04:54:06 PM
Such laws already exist, on the books.
The problem, once again folks, is not one in which we need "new law".
The problem is with a total lack of enforcement of already existent law.
Start enforcing already existent law, THEN we can talk about new legislation.
Right, and how long have we been trying to get existing laws enforced? That new legislation he's talking about is totally liberal BS to achieve what they are trying for now. Whenever they want to go off the plantation and get something else they've always wanted, it always involves circumventing the existing laws or making up new ones as they go along. Sure they're gonna' get resistance as long as any one of us is alive.
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Sounds about right.
Why don't the Latins do something for themselves and the
country of their birth, in order to ameliorate their grinding
poverty, illiteracy and lack of skills???????????????
Real simple; because at their core they are cowards too timid
to confront their rulers.They would rather run to the USA than
fight for themselves and their children.
A true story and a measure of national temperament.
During an previous World Cup, Germany was defeated by Brazil.
At the conclusion of that match, Germany resolved to improve.
During the recent WC, Germany crushed Brazil and defeated
Argentina. At the conclusion of these matches, Latin fans, by
the million, as well as their players, cried in public for days.
A stone cold act which says volumes about the mentality and
behavior of Latins.
As for all those about to be Aristotles, Shakespeares, Mozarts,
Einsteins, etc. among Mexico's chillun, if only given a chance;
they don't exist anymore than a Unicorn or a square circle does.
The truth sets us free in contrast to bull shit masquerading as
pious sanctimony.
Quote from: quiller on July 29, 2014, 06:13:49 AM
The only thing pathetic in this thread is yourself. I earned my citizenship. I served my country, not leeched off it.
lol, shitty little 20-somethings who haven't done jack schite but suck off momma's & America's tit.......are always here to tell folks with a little ambition and accomplishment, that they've done nothing.
This little asswipe will never serve anyone or anything, but he will always available to be a bigmouth on what should be, and how it all is, and what it all means.
The internet....where the most useless and least capable (and least motivated) among us, can "be somebody".
Quote from: Walter Josh on July 29, 2014, 12:37:36 PM
Why don't the Latins do something for themselves and the
country of their birth, in order to ameliorate their grinding
poverty, illiteracy and lack of skills???????????????
Real simple; because at their core they are cowards too timid
to confront their rulers.They would rather run to the USA than
fight for themselves and their children.
A true story and a measure of national temperament.
During an previous World Cup, Germany was defeated by Brazil.
At the conclusion of that match, Germany resolved to improve.
During the recent WC, Germany crushed Brazil and defeated
Argentina. At the conclusion of these matches, Latin fans, by
the million, as well as their players, cried in public for days.
A stone cold act which says volumes about the mentality and
behavior of Latins.
As for all those about to be Aristotles, Shakespeares, Mozarts,
Einsteins, etc. among Mexico's chillun, if only given a chance;
they don't exist anymore than a Unicorn or a square circle does.
The truth sets us free in contrast to bull shit masquerading as
pious sanctimony.
I couldn't agree more. You are dead on right that these people are cowards, unwilling to fight for a better life for themselves, and their children.
Contrary to popular liberal myth, the people of the U.S.A. did not just wake up one morning and say, "well we'll build the worlds biggest superpower to ever exist today".
No that came about because the American people have had too, and were willing too, fight for a better nation for themselves and their children since day one.
That's why in my own opinion not only is it arrogant hubris to the extreme, but it also adds insult to the very real injury, when these people just walk on into our nation, as if they are somehow, magically, inexplicably, entitled to receive the benefit of the hard work, blood, sweat and tears our forefathers spent, building that better nation, building that better society for us.
Quote from: daidalos on July 30, 2014, 12:30:40 PM
I couldn't agree more. You are dead on right that these people are cowards, unwilling to fight for a better life for themselves, and their children.
That's stupid. If they're willing to risk their lives by crossing the border, and then working for far below minimum wage in extremely labor intensive jobs, they're obviously willing to "fight for a better life for themselves, and their children".
You're just obsessed with Collective Guilt, as though individual children somehow deserve to suffer because their nation as a whole is incompetent, which is just ridiculous, and certainly not the attitude you would have if
your kid were stranded in a dirt poor part of Mexico City, and could only escape the violence through the US border.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 10, 2014, 11:08:36 PM
That's stupid. If they're willing to risk their lives by crossing the border, and then working for far below minimum wage in extremely labor intensive jobs, they're obviously willing to "fight for a better life for themselves, and their children".
You're just obsessed with Collective Guilt, as though individual children somehow deserve to suffer because their nation as a whole is incompetent, which is just ridiculous, and certainly not the attitude you would have if your kid were stranded in a dirt poor part of Mexico City, and could only escape the violence through the US border.
So who are these people then?
Quote from: Walter Josh on July 29, 2014, 12:37:36 PM
Why don't the Latins do something for themselves and the
country of their birth, in order to ameliorate their grinding
poverty, illiteracy and lack of skills???????????????
Real simple; because at their core they are cowards too timid
to confront their rulers.They would rather run to the USA than
fight for themselves and their children.
A true story and a measure of national temperament.
During an previous World Cup, Germany was defeated by Brazil.
At the conclusion of that match, Germany resolved to improve.
During the recent WC, Germany crushed Brazil and defeated
Argentina. At the conclusion of these matches, Latin fans, by
the million, as well as their players, cried in public for days.
A stone cold act which says volumes about the mentality and
behavior of Latins.
As for all those about to be Aristotles, Shakespeares, Mozarts,
Einsteins, etc. among Mexico's chillun, if only given a chance;
they don't exist anymore than a Unicorn or a square circle does.
The truth sets us free in contrast to bull shit masquerading as
pious sanctimony.
Probably the question that i have pondered the most is the first statement in your post. Why don't they do something for themselves? Just skirting the border is no great accomplishment considering that everything is handed to them to make it when they do get here. Jobs, food, shelter, medical ins(even if it is Bozocare),
transportation, citizenship. Good gracious, that's sure enough a clear path to me.
With everything handed to them they have yet to be good citizens. They are too used to those afternoon siestas when the most of us are still at work. They know too much about drug trafficing and other illegal ways to make money and this is just another easy way out. For some to suggest that they are hardworking is just silly. I don't even have to think about how many hard-working Americans that I know-more of these than any other. Sure, some of the Mexicans are hard workers but we can't readily identify the whole bunch of them coming here as hard workers.
We didn't steal land from the Mexicans either. Would that same land be as livable now if they had been allowed to keep it? They want the land back because it has been made productive by, yes-Americans.
It just appears to me that we have and are being invaded by another bunch of welfare folks to go along with the bunch we have to deal with already. The illegals figure that the Dems have had a good thing going and they want theirs too. Trouble is, the good thing is about gone.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 10, 2014, 11:08:36 PM
That's stupid. If they're willing to risk their lives by crossing the border, and then working for far below minimum wage in extremely labor intensive jobs, they're obviously willing to "fight for a better life for themselves, and their children".
You're just obsessed with Collective Guilt, as though individual children somehow deserve to suffer because their nation as a whole is incompetent, which is just ridiculous, and certainly not the attitude you would have if your kid were stranded in a dirt poor part of Mexico City, and could only escape the violence through the US border.
Mexico is a rich country. They have oil and mineral wealth. So why don't they improve where they already live. Why do you believe it's somehow our duty to save them from the rewards of their own cowardice and stupidity. Your problem is, you've come to take the wealth and freedoms you enjoy here for granted, to you they're just background noise. It's not as if anybody has to work to produce them, or fight to protect them.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 10, 2014, 11:08:36 PM
That's stupid. If they're willing to risk their lives by crossing the border, and then working for far below minimum wage in extremely labor intensive jobs, they're obviously willing to "fight for a better life for themselves, and their children".
You're just obsessed with Collective Guilt, as though individual children somehow deserve to suffer because their nation as a whole is incompetent, which is just ridiculous, and certainly not the attitude you would have if your kid were stranded in a dirt poor part of Mexico City, and could only escape the violence through the US border.
Well, if I'm ever in dire straits, I will certainly break into your house and steal your stuff. Because I know that you're OK with ignoring laws, as long as one has a sad story to excuse it.
The mind of a liberal - ignore the law, rules, norms....for any sad story that you can create.
And always work in "the chilluns" as the biggest part of your lies and excuses. If anybody doesn't agree, you automatically jump to "you hate the children and want them to die!".
And never ask the other country to take care of their kids, or fix their shit......always make it America's fault and responsibility. Reparations, dontcha know.......
Quote from: AndyJackson on August 11, 2014, 10:04:30 AM
Well, if I'm ever in dire straits, I will certainly break into your house and steal your stuff. Because I know that you're OK with ignoring laws, as long as one has a sad story to excuse it.
The mind of a liberal - ignore the law, rules, norms....for any sad story that you can create.
And always work in "the chilluns" as the biggest part of your lies and excuses. If anybody doesn't agree, you automatically jump to "you hate the children and want them to die!".
And never ask the other country to take care of their kids, or fix their shit......always make it America's fault and responsibility. Reparations, dontcha know.......
Come on, you don't have to break into his house. SciFi will be there at the front door handing you his stuff. It will be interesting though, when he realizes he has nothing left.
Quote from: mdgiles on August 11, 2014, 10:08:47 AM
Come on, you don't have to break into his house. SciFi will be there at the front door handing you his stuff. It will be interesting though, when he realizes he has nothing left.
Lol, yeah, a true dumbshit always forgets that he needs to feed his own family, or that he actually needs something to live on himself. But he can't admit it...... the liberal song sheet will fall apart.
Quote from: mdgiles on August 11, 2014, 09:56:38 AM
Mexico is a rich country. They have oil and mineral wealth. So why don't they improve where they already live. Why do you believe it's somehow our duty to save them from the rewards of their own cowardice and stupidity. Your problem is, you've come to take the wealth and freedoms you enjoy here for granted, to you they're just background noise. It's not as if anybody has to work to produce them, or fight to protect them.
I see that the point completely sailed over your head - you can't blame individuals, especially not individual children, for the failures and incompetence of a nation as a whole. Going to America is the most logical and economically prudent option for them. What, do you expect them to put patriotism above their families, or something?
Quote from: AndyJackson on August 11, 2014, 10:04:30 AM
Well, if I'm ever in dire straits, I will certainly break into your house and steal your stuff. Because I know that you're OK with ignoring laws, as long as one has a sad story to excuse it.
Right, because children crossing a 2000 mile border to find a job somewhere in a 4000 square mile country obviously causes damage and violation proportional to an individual robbing someone's house. :rolleyes:
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The mind of a liberal - ignore the law, rules, norms....for any sad story that you can create.
Even if we generously ignore the funny fact that this is coming from someone whose party blatantly violated ratified international war treaties, moral codes aren't just based on "law, rules, norms...". Things are a little more complicated than that in the Real World, where a nation founded by illegal pilgrim immigrants should probably be a little more flexible in its dealings with new immigrants.
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And always work in "the chilluns" as the biggest part of your lies and excuses. If anybody doesn't agree, you automatically jump to "you hate the children and want them to die!".
And never ask the other country to take care of their kids, or fix their shit......always make it America's fault and responsibility. Reparations, dontcha know.......
You just don't seem to have the aptitude to understand the difference between individual and collective responsibility.
Quote from: mdgiles on August 11, 2014, 09:56:38 AM
Mexico is a rich country. They have oil and mineral wealth. So why don't they improve where they already live. Why do you believe it's somehow our duty to save them from the rewards of their own cowardice and stupidity. Your problem is, you've come to take the wealth and freedoms you enjoy here for granted, to you they're just background noise. It's not as if anybody has to work to produce them, or fight to protect them.
Good point
http://www.niallferguson.com/journalism/finance-economics/pierpaolo-barbieri-and-niall-ferguson-mexicos-economic-reform-breakout (http://www.niallferguson.com/journalism/finance-economics/pierpaolo-barbieri-and-niall-ferguson-mexicos-economic-reform-breakout)
Hopefully it will also mean the central americans will stay in Mexico than continue too the US, but as long as you have a welfare state I doubt jobs in Mexico will stop illegal immigration.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 10:37:50 AM
I see that the point completely sailed over your head - you can't blame individuals, especially not individual children, for the failures and incompetence of a nation as a whole. Going to America is the most logical and economically prudent option for them. What, do you expect them to put patriotism above their families, or something?
Sci-Fi you prolly truly believe what you say but that doesn't make it so.
The first Marxist Revolution was in Mexico in 1910-20, not Russia.
It's mantra was Land and Liberty and 100 years later nothing has changed.
First Diaz then Madero then Huerta then Villa then Carranza then Zapata
and it all devolved into a factional power contest. The same pattern has been
repeated from Argentina to Venezuelan w/the same results. Nothing has changed!
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 10:37:50 AM
I see that the point completely sailed over your head - you can't blame individuals, especially not individual children, for the failures and incompetence of a nation as a whole. Going to America is the most logical and economically prudent option for them. What, do you expect them to put patriotism above their families, or something?
How do you make a rich and free nation, dumb shit. It happens when individuals decide they want something better. Of course in SciFi world they're supposed to wait until the government comes along and does it for them. GOD, you are stupid!
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 10:52:25 AM
Right, because children crossing a 2000 mile border to find a job somewhere in a 4000 square mile country obviously causes damage and violation proportional to an individual robbing someone's house. :rolleyes:
Even if we generously ignore the funny fact that this is coming from someone whose party blatantly violated ratified international war treaties, moral codes aren't just based on "law, rules, norms...". Things are a little more complicated than that in the Real World, where a nation founded by illegal pilgrim immigrants should probably be a little more flexible in its dealings with new immigrants.
You just don't seem to have the aptitude to understand the difference between individual and collective responsibility.
Really what treaties would that be?
Oh, and for the record, yes, I do expect them to sometimes sacrifice, even if that means they have to put their own nations well being above that of their own.
Our people have done/continue to do so to make our nation great.
So why can't they stay where they are at and do the same as well?
Answer: Because they know bleeding heart liberals in America, who think they're going to be some new votes will be all too eager to give them a hand out, and well it's far far far easier to go to
America for a liberals hand out, than it is to actually make the required sacrifice to make one's own nation better.
Quote from: mdgiles on August 11, 2014, 12:46:19 PM
How do you make a rich and free nation, dumb shit. It happens when individuals decide they want something better. Of course in SciFi world they're supposed to wait until the government comes along and does it for them. GOD, you are stupid!
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Quote from: quiller on August 11, 2014, 01:12:22 PM
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You forgot my shoe up his ass!
Quote from: mdgiles on August 11, 2014, 01:24:15 PM
You forgot my shoe up his ass!
Cropped for space? Um...didn't know the size? (Don't rush me, I'll think of something....)
Quote from: quiller on August 11, 2014, 01:12:22 PM
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Priceless pic and so was his comments! :thumbsup:
Quote from: keyboarder on August 11, 2014, 02:43:42 PM
Priceless pic and so was his comments! :thumbsup:
Pithy works. He left welts.
Quote from: mdgiles on August 11, 2014, 12:46:19 PM
How do you make a rich and free nation, dumb shit. It happens when individuals decide they want something better. Of course in SciFi world they're supposed to wait until the government comes along and does it for them. GOD, you are stupid!
Wait...so, fleeing into the United States and secretly doing intensive labor for less than minimum wage while
dodging the government...is waiting for the government to help them, now? :lol:
Go back to school.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 04:06:51 PM
Wait...so, fleeing into the United States and secretly doing intensive labor for less than minimum wage while dodging the government...is waiting for the government to help them, now? :lol:
Go back to school.
They are ILLEGAL! Will you respond to whether you agree with that?
Quote from: supsalemgr on August 11, 2014, 06:02:01 PM
They are ILLEGAL!
Which has...what to do with what mdgiles was saying, exactly?
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 04:06:51 PM
Wait...so, fleeing into the United States and secretly doing intensive labor for less than minimum wage while dodging the government...is waiting for the government to help them, now? :lol:
Go back to school.
We have laws in this country. Things like no child labor. Minimum wage. We also have laws dealing with hours worked and overtime pay. We also have agreements arrived at by agreements between the businesses and workers. What you are doing is driving down the employment of CITIZEN and LEGAL ALIEN workers. If you don't understand what employment of illegals, who work for scraps - AND CAN'T COMPLAIN - does to the wage levels of our citizens then you truly are ignorant. You know, i'll bet that 150 years ago, you would have been in favor of slave labor - because it gave the slaves a job.
Oh and I've already finished school, actually learned something - and you?
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 10:52:25 AM
Right, because children crossing a 2000 mile border to find a job somewhere in a 4000 square mile country obviously causes damage and violation proportional to an individual robbing someone's house. :rolleyes:
What are you babbling about, where do you get this "children are crossing to a find a job"...is that your personal assumption or are you quoting some of your fishy data again?
CHILDREN AREN'T ALLOWED TO WORK IN THE USA unlike 3rd wordl countries like Mexico etc.
Quote from: mdgiles on August 11, 2014, 06:22:06 PM
We have laws in this country. Things like no child labor. Minimum wage. We also have laws dealing with hours worked and overtime pay. We also have agreements arrived at by agreements between the businesses and workers. What you are doing is driving down the employment of CITIZEN and LEGAL ALIEN workers. If you don't understand what employment of illegals, who work for scraps - AND CAN'T COMPLAIN - does to the wage levels of our citizens then you truly are ignorant.
What does any of this have to do with your retarded assertion that illegals are asking for the government to fix everything for them?
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You know, i'll bet that 150 years ago, you would have been in favor of slave labor - because it gave the slaves a job.
Right, because secular humanists have a horrible track record on civil rights. :rolleyes:
But, if you're going to make such a severe accusation, you'd better sure as fuck be able to defend it. Put yourself in my shoes and give me the logic you think I would have used to defend slavery. First attempt fails pathetically: slave labor does not give the slaves a job because
they don't get paid for it (...duh?). Try harder on your next one.
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 11, 2014, 09:17:13 PM
What does any of this have to do with your retarded assertion that illegals are asking for the government to fix everything for them?
I'll explain, as soon as you do, on how children are going to work.
QuoteRight, because secular humanists have a horrible track record on civil rights. :rolleyes:
You mean like the secular humanist who used to run the old "Peoples Democracies". Why they had a wonderful record on civil rights. And if your talking about the Civil Rights movement in this country, maybe you're simply too freaking stupid to know how many of the old Civil Rights leaders were ministers and church leaders.
QuoteBut, if you're going to make such a severe accusation, you'd better sure as fuck be able to defend it. Put yourself in my shoes and give me the logic you think I would have used to defend slavery. First attempt fails pathetically: slave labor does not give the slaves a job because they don't get paid for it (...duh?). Try harder on your next one.
Hit a nerve did I? Perhaps it's because, it's finally dawned on you that forcing the citizens of this country to support ever A-hole who wanders over our borders IS little better than slavery.
Quote from: mdgiles on August 12, 2014, 05:56:17 AM
I'll explain, as soon as you do, on how children are going to work.
So by that logic, we should just kick orphans out of our country, because they aren't going to have any
immediate benefit to our gross domestic product? :rolleyes: Or are those orphans magically more valuable humans because they were born within our borders by random coincidence?
Do you realize how stupid it is to blame and hate
children for not following sophisticated immigration laws when their lives are at mortal risk and they are living in abject poverty? Why don't we go ahead and deport every American child that breaks the law, you know, in far more serious ways than violating immigration policy? We let children who assault others stay, so long as they by random probability were expelled from their mother's birth canal within our geographic delineations, but we ruthlessly hunt down children who don't give up their lives and their families in glorious selfless devotion to the American Immigration Law? :rolleyes:
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You mean like the secular humanist who used to run the old "Peoples Democracies".
You obviously don't know what "humanist" stands for. The human rights organizations most vocal in actually working against those dictatorships are predominantly liberal humanists. Conservatives are virtually
nonexistent in such movements; you're just interested in bombing their people.
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Why they had a wonderful record on civil rights.
We do, if you're talking about actual secular humanists and not your imaginary enemies. We've consistently been in favor of civil rights for all different sorts of demographics. A reinterpretation of our concept of human rights, which has been necessary for our progress numerous times in our history, is progressive
by definition, and defense of the status quo, whether that be slavery or theocracy, is conservative by definition. I don't know why you can't use words for their real definitions.
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And if your talking about the Civil Rights movement in this country, maybe you're simply too freaking stupid to know how many of the old Civil Rights leaders were ministers and church leaders.
Nice try. I never said religious people were never right. I said that secular humanists often were. Logic never was your strong suit, but really, bringing church ministers into this out of the blue was bizarre, even for you.
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Hit a nerve did I? Perhaps it's because, it's finally dawned on you that forcing the citizens of this country to support ever A-hole who wanders over our borders IS little better than slavery.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Did you just claim that "forced support", as in, committing 1% of your annual income, to supporting undocumented children (or "every A-hole") is proportional in harm to being forced to commit
100% of your non-existent income and forfeiting all of your human rights and autonomy for perpetual hard labor? Again, do you even realize just how absurd these comments are?
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on August 13, 2014, 07:09:40 PM
So by that logic, we should just kick orphans out of our country, because they aren't going to have any immediate benefit to our gross domestic product? :rolleyes: Or are those orphans magically more valuable humans because they were born within our borders by random coincidence?
Do you realize how stupid it is to blame and hate children for not following sophisticated immigration laws when their lives are at mortal risk and they are living in abject poverty? Why don't we go ahead and deport every American child that breaks the law, you know, in far more serious ways than violating immigration policy? We let children who assault others stay, so long as they by random probability were expelled from their mother's birth canal within our geographic delineations, but we ruthlessly hunt down children who don't give up their lives and their families in glorious selfless devotion to the American Immigration Law? :rolleyes:
You obviously don't know what "humanist" stands for. The human rights organizations most vocal in actually working against those dictatorships are predominantly liberal humanists. Conservatives are virtually nonexistent in such movements; you're just interested in bombing their people.
We do, if you're talking about actual secular humanists and not your imaginary enemies. We've consistently been in favor of civil rights for all different sorts of demographics. A reinterpretation of our concept of human rights, which has been necessary for our progress numerous times in our history, is progressive by definition, and defense of the status quo, whether that be slavery or theocracy, is conservative by definition. I don't know why you can't use words for their real definitions.
Nice try. I never said religious people were never right. I said that secular humanists often were. Logic never was your strong suit, but really, bringing church ministers into this out of the blue was bizarre, even for you.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Did you just claim that "forced support", as in, committing 1% of your annual income, to supporting undocumented children (or "every A-hole") is proportional in harm to being forced to commit 100% of your non-existent income and forfeiting all of your human rights and autonomy for perpetual hard labor? Again, do you even realize just how absurd these comments are?
Will you answer a question for me?
Oh wait you can't. My bad :rolleyes: