Quote from: drjim893 on July 27, 2014, 03:52:49 PM
I am just not sure how, in practical terms how we remove 11 million people, some here for 30 or more years.

And I think you have to be careful before assuming the public is on the side of deportation. Virtually every poll ends up suggesting Americans want a path to legality if not to citizenship.

Winning means getting an answer that does not divide the nation, nor prevent the Right from ever winning another presidential election for the loss of all minorities.
Winning policy should not mean losing elections, which it well might if you expel 11 million.

What in hell are you talking about?
You remove 11 million illegal aliens by putting them on a bus
or plane headed south of the Rio Grande! It's hardly complicated.
Don't know what polls you're talking about but this issue has
galvanized the nation and voters ain't happy. Furthermore, your
assertion that Americans (including Blacks) want a path to
legality/citizenship for these illegals is most emphatically, bull shit.
The 'winning' cliche' is the predictable mantra of the R progressives,
whose politics is always driven by polls but never principle and the
core reason the GOP is deservedly in the commode.


BY the way minorities vote D

Quote from: Walter Josh on July 27, 2014, 09:17:20 PM

What in hell are you talking about?
You remove 11 million illegal aliens by putting them on a bus
or plane headed south of the Rio Grande! It's hardly complicated.
Don't know what polls you're talking about but this issue has
galvanized the nation and voters ain't happy. Furthermore, your
assertion that Americans (including Blacks) want a path to
legality/citizenship for these illegals is most emphatically, bull shit.
The 'winning' cliche' is the predictable mantra of the R progressives,
whose politics is always driven by polls but never principle and the
core reason the GOP is deservedly in the commode.


BY the way minorities vote D

Trust me not ALL minorities vote D, some get off the reservation/ plantation even in this day and age.

Let them in! It's no different from Obamacare.

Quote from: drjim893 on July 27, 2014, 03:52:49 PM
I am just not sure how, in practical terms how we remove 11 million people, some here for 30 or more years.

Because your little heart prevents you from thinking.

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And I think you have to be careful before assuming the public is on the side of deportation. Virtually every poll ends up suggesting Americans want a path to legality if not to citizenship.

That must be what all the protests are about.  If they had a faster path to citizenship, they wouldn't be mad.

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Winning means getting an answer that does not divide the nation, nor prevent the Right from ever winning another presidential election for the loss of all minorities.

Not giving these illegals amnesty isn't "dividing the nation".  The nation wants these disease carriers and gang members to go back home.

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Winning policy should not mean losing elections, which it well might if you expel 11 million.

Wrong.  It's a slam dunk victory.

Ok, here's the thing. After 40 years of the same i think it safe to assume congress is not passing any law that punishes employers for hiring illegals, a solution that will go untouched apparently forever.

And arguing that polls do not matter is telliing politicans their re-election does not matter. Might not matter to you, but matters a lot to them. Meaning they will not take the actions you want because the polls tell them they will lose at the ballot box for doing that.

As for polls are responded to by communists....seriously, where do you get this stuff?

So here is the short version...we are not now and will not ever, forcibly remove 11 or whatever million illegals from the US. I can promise, not matter how long you demand it, how loudly you fight...it is not going to happen.

You would be wiser to consider ideas that could, might, maybe will, be able to be accomplished. Or, you can wave your sword at windmills thinking it makes some kind of difference....it does not.

Quote from: drjim893 on July 28, 2014, 08:04:48 AM
Ok, here's the thing. After 40 years of the same i think it safe to assume congress is not passing any law that punishes employers for hiring illegals, a solution that will go untouched apparently forever.

And arguing that polls do not matter is telliing politicans their re-election does not matter. Might not matter to you, but matters a lot to them. Meaning they will not take the actions you want because the polls tell them they will lose at the ballot box for doing that.

As for polls are responded to by communists....seriously, where do you get this stuff?

So here is the short version...we are not now and will not ever, forcibly remove 11 or whatever million illegals from the US. I can promise, not matter how long you demand it, how loudly you fight...it is not going to happen.

You would be wiser to consider ideas that could, might, maybe will, be able to be accomplished. Or, you can wave your sword at windmills thinking it makes some kind of difference....it does not.

Really?  Not which part but all of it?  You might be wiser to revisit actual events whereby We The People have already arisen to the occasion of being invaded and shouted by the way of votes that we are good and sick of the way this country is being run.   You must be counting on the people just sitting idly by while this country is being sabotaged.  Well, I've got a bulletin for ya', It ain't happening. 

Im tired of hearing the same old crap about how we can't round up and deport the illegals - they have made it easy for us with their refusal to assimilate into the general population. First cut off all transfers to the South and Central American countries. We can do that with our current banking laws. Then surround these barrios they've created, and check for citizenship - and I tired of hearing crap from "activists" about how this is "insulting" to Hispanic Americans. No it isn't, because they don't want to be lumped in with border jumpers simply because they have the same kind of last name. Check out the program on the Border Patrol, see the last names of the officers? These criminals and gang bangers will be moving down the block from them, not next to Liberal activists.

Quote from: drjim893 on July 28, 2014, 08:04:48 AM
Ok, here's the thing. After 40 years of the same i think it safe to assume congress is not passing any law that punishes employers for hiring illegals, a solution that will go untouched apparently forever.

And arguing that polls do not matter is telliing politicans their re-election does not matter. Might not matter to you, but matters a lot to them. Meaning they will not take the actions you want because the polls tell them they will lose at the ballot box for doing that.

As for polls are responded to by communists....seriously, where do you get this stuff?

So here is the short version...we are not now and will not ever, forcibly remove 11 or whatever million illegals from the US. I can promise, not matter how long you demand it, how loudly you fight...it is not going to happen.

You would be wiser to consider ideas that could, might, maybe will, be able to be accomplished. Or, you can wave your sword at windmills thinking it makes some kind of difference....it does not.

Hit your snooze button and wake up.

Keyboarder,

We the people elected Obama president twice, so pardon me if i remain unimpressed with your fist of power.

Here's the thing, and i repeat...we will not be deporting 11 million folks, and if you think otherwise you live in a fantasy reality. Sorry to say it, but there is zero chance of accomplishing what you desire.

Sure, it is fun to say what crazy you would do if you were in charge, but there are good reasons why you are not in charge, and the adults know what you do not grasp...it just ain't gonna happen.

On the other hand, why not fight for realistic goals, like ID's that track these folks, real penalties against employers hiring illegals.

It just seems to me, accomplsihing real change is better than demanding impossible change.

Quote from: drjim893 on July 28, 2014, 08:56:23 AM
Keyboarder,

We the people elected Obama president twice, so pardon me if i remain unimpressed with your fist of power.

Here's the thing, and i repeat...we will not be deporting 11 million folks, and if you think otherwise you live in a fantasy reality. Sorry to say it, but there is zero chance of accomplishing what you desire.

Sure, it is fun to say what crazy you would do if you were in charge, but there are good reasons why you are not in charge, and the adults know what you do not grasp...it just ain't gonna happen.

On the other hand, why not fight for realistic goals, like ID's that track these folks, real penalties against employers hiring illegals.

It just seems to me, accomplishing real change is better than demanding impossible change.

All we have to do, is to deny them the benefits they haven't earned. If we do that, they will deport themselves.

BTW We the People also elected Nixon twice.

Just sayin...

-Darth

Quote from: Darth Fife on July 28, 2014, 12:49:06 PM
All we have to do, is to deny them the benefits they haven't earned. If we do that, they will deport themselves.

BTW We the People also elected Nixon twice.

Just sayin...

-Darth

Bingo...

Quote from: mdgiles on July 28, 2014, 08:41:34 AM
Im tired of hearing the same old crap about how we can't round up and deport the illegals - they have made it easy for us with their refusal to assimilate into the general population. First cut off all transfers to the South and Central American countries. We can do that with our current banking laws. Then surround these barrios they've created, and check for citizenship - and I tired of hearing crap from "activists" about how this is "insulting" to Hispanic Americans. No it isn't, because they don't want to be lumped in with border jumpers simply because they have the same kind of last name. Check out the program on the Border Patrol, see the last names of the officers? These criminals and gang bangers will be moving down the block from them, not next to Liberal activists.

mdgiles, as usual, makes a salient point.
When funds are transferred from Country A to Country B
whether by corporations and/or individuals they are subject
to a with holding tax at the source, ranging from 5% to 40%;
depending on the treaty terms agreed between the countries.
The amount w/h can then be reclaimed at the end of the
fiscal years on the tax return of the remitter which forces him
to obtain a tax ID, to maintain adequate records and to file
his tax return in a timely manner. Such a system, easily
implementable through the Banking system, would get the
attention of the Latin Governments actively encouraging
this illegal influx, big time!

Quote from: drjim893 on July 28, 2014, 08:56:23 AM
Keyboarder,

We the people elected Obama president twice, so pardon me if i remain unimpressed with your fist of power.

Here's the thing, and i repeat...we will not be deporting 11 million folks, and if you think otherwise you live in a fantasy reality. Sorry to say it, but there is zero chance of accomplishing what you desire.

Sure, it is fun to say what crazy you would do if you were in charge, but there are good reasons why you are not in charge, and the adults know what you do not grasp...it just ain't gonna happen.

On the other hand, why not fight for realistic goals, like ID's that track these folks, real penalties against employers hiring illegals.

It just seems to me, accomplsihing real change is better than demanding impossible change.

You are neither a "Dr." nor anyone who is interested in dialogue, discussion, or debate.  You are 15-25-year-old playing a  dumbass game of   "pretend I'm a grownup conservative"on the internet, sneaking in dumbass liberal talking points.

That shit's really annoying.  Why don't you just move along and stop making the world such a worse place  ?

Quote from: drjim893 on July 28, 2014, 08:04:48 AM
Ok, here's the thing. After 40 years of the same i think it safe to assume congress is not passing any law that punishes employers for hiring illegals, a solution that will go untouched apparently forever.

And arguing that polls do not matter is telliing politicans their re-election does not matter. Might not matter to you, but matters a lot to them. Meaning they will not take the actions you want because the polls tell them they will lose at the ballot box for doing that.

As for polls are responded to by communists....seriously, where do you get this stuff?

So here is the short version...we are not now and will not ever, forcibly remove 11 or whatever million illegals from the US. I can promise, not matter how long you demand it, how loudly you fight...it is not going to happen.

You would be wiser to consider ideas that could, might, maybe will, be able to be accomplished. Or, you can wave your sword at windmills thinking it makes some kind of difference....it does not.

You continue to make unprovable assertions, based on feelings;
just like the Dem Left, who argue from the heart, not the mind.
Your assertion that, "it's safe to assume that Congress will never
pass a law that punishes employers' is malarkey. You know no such thing!!!
Also,"we are not now and will not ever forcibly remove 11 million illegals",
is more of the same; sanctimonious blather masquerading as fact.
As history chronicles, events never occur until they do!!! The Almighty
knows; you, most emphatically do not, despite your airs and pretensions.

Quote from: Walter Josh on July 28, 2014, 01:36:41 PM

You continue to make unprovable assertions, based on feelings;
just like the Dem Left, who argue from the heart, not the mind.
Your assertion that, "it's safe to assume that Congress will never
pass a law that punishes employers' is malarkey. You know no such thing!!!
Also,"we are not now and will not ever forcibly remove 11 million illegals",
is more of the same; sanctimonious blather masquerading as fact.
As history chronicles, events never occur until they do!!! The Almighty
knows; you, most emphatically do not, despite your airs and pretensions.

lol, he's not "just like the left"....he's an annoying little shit directly from the far left.

He's quietly snuck in every leftist talking point on the subject -

-The real / only problem is the evil capitalists / CEO's

-It's so dumb to even discuss deportation

-It's so dumb to claim there are communists / communism involved in any of this

-Whatever solution you believe in just will not, can not, should not ever happen, because I say so and I'm A REALLY SMART GIRL......