Quote from: redbeard on May 14, 2015, 07:00:58 PM
More to the point!
What public school did "he" attend?

I think he attended one in Indonesia when he was about 6.  After that it was a Catholic school, then when he moved to Hawaii, he went to a private school, probably on some kind of scholarship, even though he said his grades weren't very good. 

Quote from: Dori on May 13, 2015, 09:34:36 AM
Same here.  My kids went to a great little primary public school in our neighborhood, which I was very involved with.  When they started getting a littler older, I detected a "pattern" I didn't like and put them in private.  We were far from rich, and I had to take full-time employment to make it happen.  And yes, I would do that all over again too.

public school is what you make of it! My Daughter is in public school. I had her in a math, science and technology magnet program since kindergarten. She is now in all advanced classes and an A/B honor role student. Next year she starts the Early collage program in the 9th grade. in her junior and senior year she will be attending classes at the Jr. collage earning dual credit. It is possible for her to have 60 credit hours completed upon high school graduation paid for by the county district! A great opportunity for someone collage bound!
Not all public schools are bad! She has been very lucky in the teachers she has had up until now but the really tough years are still to come. Ask me how she is doing a year from now!

Quote from: redbeard on May 14, 2015, 07:19:57 PM
Not all public schools are bad! She has been very lucky in the teachers she has had up until now but the really tough years are still to come. Ask me how she is doing a year from now!

Like I said, we had a nice little elementary school. I was very involved in our schools.  I knew most of the teachers and principals. My kids were in accelerated classes and had no problems keeping up academically.  If anything, I thought they should be challenged more.  But, there were some serious personnel, policy  and academic problems in the middle school, that I didn't want my kids exposed to. 
 

Quote from: Dori on May 14, 2015, 07:53:56 PM
Like I said, we had a nice little elementary school. I was very involved in our schools.  I knew most of the teachers and principals. My kids were in accelerated classes and had no problems keeping up academically.  If anything, I thought they should be challenged more.  But, there were some serious personnel, policy  and academic problems in the middle school, that I didn't want my kids exposed to. 

I took her out of the magnet middle school after a girl was assaulted and brought her back to the middle school she is graduating from now. The problem with the magnet schools is they put the best programs in the worse schools to draw people from another side of town. The magnet classes themselves are great but the school serves all the kids in a blighted area in my opinion it was dangerous so I took her a different route.
Our neighborhood school she will be attending is pretty quite compared to most and again she will be in the advanced classes and the early collage program and the rift raft isn't!! I think she will do fine but I always watch for the alternative just in case! There is a Science, Math and technology charter school not far from here she could qualify for but it doesn't have the early collage benefit! It is wait and see how this school works out!

Quote from: redbeard on May 14, 2015, 08:11:11 PM
I took her out of the magnet middle school after a girl was assaulted and brought her back to the middle school she is graduating from now. The problem with the magnet schools is they put the best programs in the worse schools to draw people from another side of town. The magnet classes themselves are great but the school serves all the kids in a blighted area in my opinion it was dangerous so I took her a different route.
Our neighborhood school she will be attending is pretty quite compared to most and again she will be in the advanced classes and the early collage program and the rift raft isn't!! I think she will do fine but I always watch for the alternative just in case! There is a Science, Math and technology charter school not far from here she could qualify for but it doesn't have the early collage benefit! It is wait and see how this school works out!

She sounds like she will be fine.  I had four kids to deal with.  One thing to watch is the kinds of kids she wants as friends. Peer pressure at this age can be rough, especially today.  I'm so glad we got all that behind us, and they came through it okay.

Quote from: Dori on May 14, 2015, 08:40:52 PM
She sounds like she will be fine.  I had four kids to deal with.  One thing to watch is the kinds of kids she wants as friends. Peer pressure at this age can be rough, especially today.  I'm so glad we got all that behind us, and they came through it okay.

Well she is in the Junior Honor society and hangs with the others in that group most the time!

Quote from: tac on May 13, 2015, 04:59:16 AM
OBAMA: WEALTHY IGNORE POVERTY BY SENDING KIDS TO PRIVATE SCHOOLS

by CHARLIE SPIERING

During a conversation about poverty, President Obama said he was concerned that more wealthy people were separated from poverty because they chose to frequent private institutions instead of public ones.

"Part of what's happened is, is that elites in a very mobile, globalized world are able to live together, away from folks who are not as wealthy, and so they feel less of a commitment to making those investments," he explained during a panel discussion on poverty at Georgetown University today.

Obama criticized the free-market system in America for allowing higher concentrations of wealth to exist among the rich while the bottom percentage was being left behind and receiving a smaller portion of that wealth.

"Those who are doing better and better, more skilled, more educated, – luckier – having greater advantages are withdrawing from the commons," he said. "Kids start going to private schools, kids start working out at private clubs instead of the public parks, an anti-government ideology then disinvests from those common goods and those things that draw us together."

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/12/obama-wealthy-ignore-poverty-by-sending-kids-to-private-schools/

Damn hypocrite!  What public school do his kids attend?

Quote from: Dori on May 14, 2015, 07:53:56 PM
Like I said, we had a nice little elementary school. I was very involved in our schools.  I knew most of the teachers and principals. My kids were in accelerated classes and had no problems keeping up academically.  If anything, I thought they should be challenged more.  But, there were some serious personnel, policy  and academic problems in the middle school, that I didn't want my kids exposed to. 

Schools are a reflection of the parents of the children that attend such schools.  There are far more good teachers than there are bad ones and the "bad teachers" for the most part, are those who have all but given up on trying to teach kids that don't want to learn and have parents who take no responsibility for their children's education or behavior.  Even poor schools can produce excellent students if the parents are involved in their children's education and instill good values and require proper conduct and respect for people in authority!  If the teachers have no authority in the classroom, then it becomes more of a contest between the worse kids to see who can run the classroom.  This creates a classroom that has become a bedlum where even the brightest, most well behaved students can't learn because of the constant disruption of the so called "troubled youth" who are excused for their behvior for a variety of reasons, without regard to the rights of others or any personal responsibility!

Quote from: wally on May 15, 2015, 04:58:14 AM
Schools are a reflection of the parents of the children that attend such schools.  There are far more good teachers than there are bad ones and the "bad teachers" for the most part, are those who have all but given up on trying to teach kids that don't want to learn and have parents who take no responsibility for their children's education or behavior.  Even poor schools can produce excellent students if the parents are involved in their children's education and instill good values and require proper conduct and respect for people in authority!  If the teachers have no authority in the classroom, then it becomes more of a contest between the worse kids to see who can run the classroom.

Regardless of how good a parent you are, you cannot overcome the environment of a bad school. 

The school administrators MUST provide an environment for learning.  When the kids rule.... as they do in many public schools.... their is no real opportunity for learning.  Only the worst and most callused teachers will stay in a poor school.  In certain areas the public schools are just an extension of the street culture.

In other areas the public schools are better but the parents are up against a strongly socialized curriculum and watered down academics.... to make room for the social agenda.

That is the scenario I fought against..... social agenda.

I started home schooling at the beginning of middle school level.... through high school.  Best decision I ever made as a Mom.  My husband and I were then unrivaled at imparting our values and standards into the heads of our children.  They ceased to receive conflicting information!  And academics were elevated to a new level. 

Not every parent is able to do this... which is unfortunate.  When both parents work, private schools are the only real option. 

If we privatized all public schools it would be a blessing to the entire nation!

Private schools are a total waste of time. They do not preach the universal truths found in unionized, centralized education.

Quote from: kroz on May 15, 2015, 05:18:03 AM
Regardless of how good a parent you are, you cannot overcome the environment of a bad school. 

The school administrators MUST provide an environment for learning.  When the kids rule.... as they do in many public schools.... their is no real opportunity for learning.  Only the worst and most callused teachers will stay in a poor school.  In certain areas the public schools are just an extension of the street culture.

In other areas the public schools are better but the parents are up against a strongly socialized curriculum and watered down academics.... to make room for the social agenda.

That is the scenario I fought against..... social agenda.

I started home schooling at the beginning of middle school level.... through high school.  Best decision I ever made as a Mom.  My husband and I were then unrivaled at imparting our values and standards into the heads of our children.  They ceased to receive conflicting information!  And academics were elevated to a new level. 

Not every parent is able to do this... which is unfortunate.  When both parents work, private schools are the only real option. 

If we privatized all public schools it would be a blessing to the entire nation!

You nailed it, as to why people either choose to send their kids to private school or homeschool them.  Nonetheless, "Bad Schools" like "Bad Teachers" are very subjective terms.  In most "Bad schools" positive outcomes could be achieved through community involvement and this meand parental involvement in both the academics and behavior of their own children.  All to often, the parent is absnt from the equasion or they are a "Bad Parent" who instructs their child "you don't have to do what they (the teacher) tells you to do, " (she) only pickin on you because..."

Quote from: quiller on May 14, 2015, 06:48:35 AM
Northwest Ohio and southern Michigan have numerous private Christian schools as well as the longer-based Catholic schools also in the area. At least in my area, Sister Mary Rapknuckles comes in a pinafore and a hair-bun, or an undertaker's suit. 

Yeah it's the same here, we have a few protestant schools but the lions share is Catholic. As for the unions who make public schools cost so much....why even allow them as well? Surely educating our future, isn't as important as making sure some planes don't run into one another. As for parental involvement, how can we expect parents to be involved, and in control of their kids, when we strip parents of the tools they need to raise kids? Spank a kid, go to jail, ground a kid, go to jail, let them use the toilet, go to jail....

Quote from: daidalos on May 15, 2015, 06:37:06 AM
Yeah it's the same here, we have a few protestant schools but the lions share is Catholic.

In my area the lion's share of private schools are Protestant.  There are some catholic schools but they are in the extreme minority in the South.  Private secular schools are more prevalent than Catholic here.  Obviously, not a lot of Catholic churches also!

In our travels we found that Catholic was almost the only churches found in New England and yankeeland!   

Quote from: kroz on May 15, 2015, 05:18:03 AM
Regardless of how good a parent you are, you cannot overcome the environment of a bad school. 
The school administrators MUST provide an environment for learning.  When the kids rule.... as they do in many public schools.... their is no real opportunity for learning.  Only the worst and most callused teachers will stay in a poor school.  In certain areas the public schools are just an extension of the street culture.

Who am I to profess to correct an Ivy League educated lawyer and President of the United States, but really, I suggest "poverty" is a poor choice of words. If that is, in fact,  word Washington wants to stand by, I would further suggest that Washington officials have next to zero understanding of the nation they pretend to represent. 

Americans have never been known for putting distance between themselves and the poor; quite the contrary, the pockets of poverty have traditionally been magnets for the Americans, who see and continue to see opportunity of the win/win variety.  One, the opportunity to employ newcomers to our shores, (No one stays poor for long in America,)  hopefully screened by immigration to possess the necessary character traits, eagerness, integrity, health, and above all, the ingredients of citizenship, which means more than some ID card. 

Win/win. We build a strong nation, they rise up in standards and status. Can't beat it.

To suggest that the private school thrives on account of some essential pickyness or snobbery on the part of the middle and upper middle is absurd. Anyone in my family and family history who has achieved success, other than the handful of  government and university bureaucrats, who I claim had few other choices,  owed that success to rolling up the sleeves and getting in there, taking the leadership role of those Obama calls "poverty," and turning it into the Yankee Dollar. The most glaring examples have been in the formerly prestigious Defense Department Officer Corps. Yes, there have always been "90 day wonders" and jerks like Barack, but name a more telling example of Americans' faith in the character of the regular folks than going into battle with them. But that has been just one example. Anyone with their eyes open can see endless examples.

As for Sidwell Friends, they may be the last of the privates committed to PC as to take the BS that no doubt comes from the Obamas,  socialist SOB that they are.

Quote from: kroz on May 15, 2015, 06:42:38 AM
In my area the lion's share of private schools are Protestant.  There are some catholic schools but they are in the extreme minority in the South.  Private secular schools are more prevalent than Catholic here.  Obviously, not a lot of Catholic churches also!

In our travels we found that Catholic was almost the only churches found in New England and yankeeland!   

You forgot Mexico.