I think Obama's use of the drones is for one reason only:Politics. When the target is killed overseas Obama does not have to worry about where a prisoner will be held, or is he considered a prisoner of war. He does not have to worry about rules or the Constitution or angering his base. There will be no debate about where a dead American terrorist in Mali will tried. It's nice and tidy.

I tell you what bothers me about this whole thing, actually, I agree with the theory, if you are fighting against America, if you have gone over to the other side and are clearly engaged in operations to harm Americans or other allies or innocents you should be blown into little bitty smoking chunks,

Lets be honest, in the days before drones, the CIA, the DIS and many of their subcontractors did this with sniper rifle, a garotte, poison or a half dozen other methods to Americans and Non Americans alike who damn well deserved it.

Now I don't trust these lying sinister Marxist sons of Byatches one little bit, I fear they will target guys like ME, and some other loyal Americans I have worked with overseas, ex military, ex cops, ex Govt agents who are in the security business as we have trained cops and military for freindly foreign govts

Many of us are working or living in foreign countries and none of us I have met yet is on board with this bunch in the WH. In their eyes I am probaby more of a threat to them because I support the Tea party, was a life member of the NRA and I hate commies. So maybe one day me and Mrs Billy will hear the sound of a drone come whistling thru our tenth floor condo.

Then they'll manfacture some evidence to say I supplied terrorists or trained terrorists or some such other crap.

Rant over.

Billy

Quote from: Solar on February 05, 2013, 08:15:58 AM
Not at all, it was rhetorical in applying it to the leftists.
You'll get used to my style in time.

Ya know, I'm not much on this survivalist stuff on another forum here (though I'd recommend it to those so inclined). But after reading about this drone thing, I do agree with the poster above who said it could be applied to U.S. citizens on U.S. soil. It's no longer ultra-paranoid to start talking about government stepping too far, here.

In our electronic age of RFID chips in unexpected places, along with a universe of other tracking methods, Americans now can't leave their houses without at least coming under SOMEBODY'S surveillance camera (etc.). Future cars are mandated to carry black box technology the government can upgrade to tracking unit, probably without ever touching the car itself.

Police may be able to justify drone strikes against, say, an arab training cell here on U.S. soil. But they CAN'T justify using drones against a group of otherwise peaceful protestors WITHOUT agitating Red-style among such a group, to provoke police response. (A timeless tactic.)

If anything, people should be fighting back. Or earning money, designing D.I.Y. drone kits --- STRICTLY for home defense..... 

Quote from: quiller on February 06, 2013, 12:07:39 AM
Ya know, I'm not much on this survivalist stuff on another forum here (though I'd recommend it to those so inclined). But after reading about this drone thing, I do agree with the poster above who said it could be applied to U.S. citizens on U.S. soil. It's no longer ultra-paranoid to start talking about government stepping too far, here.

In our electronic age of RFID chips in unexpected places, along with a universe of other tracking methods, Americans now can't leave their houses without at least coming under SOMEBODY'S surveillance camera (etc.). Future cars are mandated to carry black box technology the government can upgrade to tracking unit, probably without ever touching the car itself.

Police may be able to justify drone strikes against, say, an arab training cell here on U.S. soil. But they CAN'T justify using drones against a group of otherwise peaceful protestors WITHOUT agitating Red-style among such a group, to provoke police response. (A timeless tactic.)

If anything, people should be fighting back. Or earning money, designing D.I.Y. drone kits --- STRICTLY for home defense.....

Here's how I see it, I have always had faith that the Military would not turn on it's civilians, the majority of Military is made of those that believe in the Constitution.
My fear is hand picked drone operators stationed away from reality, and trained to believe there is an evil force brewing in the country and it is their Patriotic duty to stop it. Kids that simply don't care about collateral loss and others that will see the population as the enemy.

What Husein is doing is softening the public to drones flying overhead for our protection.
There is nothing good about another branch of the Military completely separate and detached from reality, these people will be stationed in a bunker somewhere, fed lies like the soldiers that were sent to Tiananamen square to quash the rebellion.

Like I've said in the past, I'm not one for conspiracies, but this admin is sure setting the stage for a Marxist style takeover.
I never thought it possible in this country, but then, I never thought people were stupid enough to elect a Marxist.

Quote from: Solar on February 06, 2013, 06:01:23 AM
Here's how I see it, I have always had faith that the Military would not turn on it's civilians, the majority of Military is made of those that believe in the Constitution.
My fear is hand picked drone operators stationed away from reality, and trained to believe there is an evil force brewing in the country and it is their Patriotic duty to stop it. Kids that simply don't care about collateral loss and others that will see the population as the enemy.

What Husein is doing is softening the public to drones flying overhead for our protection.
There is nothing good about another branch of the Military completely separate and detached from reality, these people will be stationed in a bunker somewhere, fed lies like the soldiers that were sent to Tiananamen square to quash the rebellion.

Like I've said in the past, I'm not one for conspiracies, but this admin is sure setting the stage for a Marxist style takeover.
I never thought it possible in this country, but then, I never thought people were stupid enough to elect a Marxist.

I don't think we're more than another twenty years before the teaching profession succeeds in weakening all thoughts of it being OK to be patriotic. Look at the concerted anti-religious deviant left pushing perversion into the Boy Scouts --- one of the last bastions of normal American patriotism.

Our kids are being taught to fear guns by a government which wants total control over those same instruments of fear. The government wants kids terrified of dissent, punishing kids for even a hint of a weapons-related infraction. The same kids whom many Dems openly hate are the same ones Dem want to reduce in numbers while ALSO paying the bills for OUR generation's libs to go sponge off of.

Grow up thinking you got born by mistake, and are told you're wrong if you want to actually PLAY on a playground, or show pride in America...well, at that point you've got a future voter who will believe anything he's told, for however asinine a reason.

Fear for America. Wilson getting us into World War I was the libs' first error, and FDR's third term the same. Carter was a disaster, gbhut the truth is Nixon gave us the most new feds on the public payroll, up until 9/11 and the politics said, hire every deadbeat for DHS that you can find. Voila---TSA. The clown car with an X-ray scanner.

Submit to inspection. Present your papers. Toe that line. Fill out that endless repetitive and personally invasive form. Smile at the red-light camera or the CCTV above that store. Expect your web provider to know everything you did on-line, and so will the government telling us how to live. And don't try to hide when Big Brother says it's OK to hold someone for making a TV movie, or you dispute how manly Obama looks, holding an air-rifle.

Orwell never mattered more. Under Obama, Big Brother is a leftist, and we are all in serious trouble from his mis-administration.

We have a rat bastard lying communist in our White House, whose mentor was a senior member of the U.S. Communist Party, and a pornographer. This was his guiding light during Oabama's formative years.

We have the enemy leading our government, and they are hoarding weapons to prevent their ouster.

Quote from: quiller on February 06, 2013, 06:55:25 AM
I don't think we're more than another twenty years before the teaching profession succeeds in weakening all thoughts of it being OK to be patriotic. Look at the concerted anti-religious deviant left pushing perversion into the Boy Scouts --- one of the last bastions of normal American patriotism.

Our kids are being taught to fear guns by a government which wants total control over those same instruments of fear. The government wants kids terrified of dissent, punishing kids for even a hint of a weapons-related infraction. The same kids whom many Dems openly hate are the same ones Dem want to reduce in numbers while ALSO paying the bills for OUR generation's libs to go sponge off of.

Grow up thinking you got born by mistake, and are told you're wrong if you want to actually PLAY on a playground, or show pride in America...well, at that point you've got a future voter who will believe anything he's told, for however asinine a reason.

Fear for America. Wilson getting us into World War I was the libs' first error, and FDR's third term the same. Carter was a disaster, gbhut the truth is Nixon gave us the most new feds on the public payroll, up until 9/11 and the politics said, hire every deadbeat for DHS that you can find. Voila---TSA. The clown car with an X-ray scanner.

Submit to inspection. Present your papers. Toe that line. Fill out that endless repetitive and personally invasive form. Smile at the red-light camera or the CCTV above that store. Expect your web provider to know everything you did on-line, and so will the government telling us how to live. And don't try to hide when Big Brother says it's OK to hold someone for making a TV movie, or you dispute how manly Obama looks, holding an air-rifle.

Orwell never mattered more. Under Obama, Big Brother is a leftist, and we are all in serious trouble from his mis-administration.

We have a rat bastard lying communist in our White House, whose mentor was a senior member of the U.S. Communist Party, and a pornographer. This was his guiding light during Oabama's formative years.

We have the enemy leading our government, and they are hoarding weapons to prevent their ouster.

This is the reason the left seized the teaching curriculum, they needed to rewrite history.
And it's worked, kids no longer see the US as the last haven of freedom, they see it as an impediment to Govt taking care of all their boo boos.

Its more.

I read the other day that teachers asked one class in Texas to design U.S. socialist flags.

We allow clubs like this Gay-straight Alliance but disallow the mention of God in our Pledge of Allegiance.  We allow Muslim pledges in public schools where the majority of the students speak English.  We allow every other culture to thrive in our neighborhoods and schools.  all of them except our own.  That one has to move over.

Or how about the de-emphasis of sports and excellence in classrooms?  We are encouraged to rely upon each other, not establish self-sufficiency.  Teachers are proven to now focus upon the mediocre performers.  Some even curve scores to affect the outliers.  The top students actually lose points to make the others feel well! (And we also give points to the poorest performers).
We are being groomed to need the government in ways a toddler needs a mother, imo.

Quote from: Solar on February 06, 2013, 07:23:54 AM
This is the reason the left seized the teaching curriculum, they needed to rewrite history.
And it's worked, kids no longer see the US as the last haven of freedom, they see it as an impediment to Govt taking care of all their boo boos.

Lemme just go over a couple of things you and Quiller are hitting on.

Part of the agenda these Marxists have is to re condition our youth. The re social engineering of America is in the future(children)...not the past...(basically us baby boomers).

That is why I agree with you in your scenario about some guy in a bunker somewhere guiding a drone onto an AMERICAN target he has been taught or indoctrinated to beleive is the enemy.

If that drone operator is gay or a lesbian then they have grown up in being alienated. Now add some other disenfranchised Minority or even worse an immigrant minority member and you have somebody who has does not have the same values as mainstream Americans.

Such persons would have much less compunction at pulling the trigger or pressing the button on those of us they see as their "enemy". Look at the attitudes you see on some of these forums.....Quiller you know who I am talking about.... the hatred for conservatives from  these people just seeps thru the monitor. You really want some of the LNF style clowns handling drones and being in charge of anything where they have power and that power demands discretion? A moral judgement?

God Help... us they'd turn the USA into Syria or Cambodia.


Billy

Quote from: BILLY Defiant on February 06, 2013, 03:14:00 PM

Lemme just go over a couple of things you and Quiller are hitting on.

Part of the agenda these Marxists have is to re condition our youth. The re social engineering of America is in the future(children)...not the past...(basically us baby boomers).

That is why I agree with you in your scenario about some guy in a bunker somewhere guiding a drone onto an AMERICAN target he has been taught or indoctrinated to beleive is the enemy.

If that drone operator is gay or a lesbian then they have grown up in being alienated. Now add some other disenfranchised Minority or even worse an immigrant minority member and you have somebody who has does not have the same values as mainstream Americans.

Such persons would have much less compunction at pulling the trigger or pressing the button on those of us they see as their "enemy". Look at the attitudes you see on some of these forums.....Quiller you know who I am talking about.... the hatred for conservatives from  these people just seeps thru the monitor. You really want some of the LNF style clowns handling drones and being in charge of anything where they have power and that power demands discretion? A moral judgement?

God Help... us they'd turn the USA into Syria or Cambodia.


Billy

Exactly Billy! Like I said before, I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but everything this Marxist has done is right in line with every dictator in history "divide and conquer".

So killing is okay but water boarding isn't...

Liberals are fun...

Billy, I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest you meant the leftist jerkoffs at LNF, and not at me for my own reasoned, balanced approach to the nuclear obliteration of all things Parasite. (Me, sarcastic? Hah.)

If I did have my hands on drones, there would be a whole lot of sleepless Scummunists in the Obama cabal. I am proposing the U.S. citizenry arm itself with their own drones, and DIY kits to build them should be in with every single one of the survivalist planning kits, much like how to recycle water or other matters.

If you're talking about disenfranchised leftists murdering their fellow citizens, you'd have to ask the Indonesian-raised protege of the pornographer and senior U.S. communist, the scum of this planet, Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 06, 2013, 08:00:04 PM
So killing is okay but water boarding isn't...

Liberals are fun...

I've lived near Ann Arbor for decades, and that hell-hole of airheads and parasites is an ideal petri dish for growing a virus that will bake your brain and make you stupid. Those same vapor-brains WOULD swallow whatever lie the Obama cabal feeds them. These trash adore the Muslim-in-Thief.

"SOMEONE has to pay off my college debt. Sure, I'll blow stuff up. Waste a few ********, ya know? Where's the joystick? It's not like it's any of MY posse, right?"

These same high ethics will be pinching pennies on our nursing home care, once so-called Millennials finally do get in charge. Meanwhile they're unemployable college kids with debt-loads big enough to shake off almost any qualms about killing people they don't know. If Obama wants cold-blooded killers, he needs only a few good war-gamers like the serious freaks running around at a few of the big game sites.

"Cut costs, right? Pay those geezers back for screwing our inheritance. I said, where's the joystick? Take out the nursing home!"

Ethics. They're optional, to well-educated parasites with growling stomachs.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 06, 2013, 08:00:04 PM
So killing is okay but water boarding isn't...

Liberals are fun...

Of all the junk that has come out of this Administration this is one that I cannot believe hasn't been a bigger uproar. This is scary!

Quote from: quiller on February 08, 2013, 10:41:31 PM

"SOMEONE has to pay off my college debt.
[snip]
These same high ethics will be pinching pennies on our nursing home care, once so-called Millennials finally do get in charge. Meanwhile they're unemployable college kids with debt-loads big enough to shake off almost any qualms about killing people they don't know. If Obama wants cold-blooded killers, he needs only a few good war-gamers like the serious freaks running around at a few of the big game sites.

[snip]
Ethics. They're optional, to well-educated parasites with growling stomachs.

Most of the grants Obama offers actually covers all expenses of community college, except rent.  To the point where I hear stories of kids buying store candy with their grants.  Or worse, getting mailed checks.  These bumblers eho barely stumbled into a diploma can now be paid to spend taxpayer money to extend their high school experience.