This is just plain wrong folks, when the State, any State, starts using ones affiliation with private organizations to punish you then somebody in charge needs to be held accountable and taken to a court of law.
The childs father, an Iraqi war vet, is an oathkeeper, as i am sure a few people on this board (myself) are. An organization of military, law enforcement, public officials, both active duty and retired or ex who have taken a pledge to support the constitution and rule of law over a political party.
We were the law, now we are viewed as outlaws.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=213149 (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=213149)
Billy
I saw this and my first thought was what does this have to do with the child, but reading further, he is accused of abuse.
Then it hit me, they are trying to associate the Right, with being abusive to women.
The left has yet to hit bottom.
Quote from: Solar on October 11, 2010, 05:38:44 PM
I saw this and my first thought was what does this have to do with the child, but reading further, he is accused of abuse.
Then it hit me, they are trying to associate the Right, with being abusive to women.
The left has yet to hit bottom.
This is absolutely nothing new. Hard core feminazis tried to claim every male alive was a rapist-in-training, as far back as the mid-60s. Every last one of us brutes waits behind some bush, 24/7/365, waiting for Priscilla Victim. That or we're bombed on 'shine in some trailer park, pounding
Jayzus into Billie Sue because the 'taters were cold at supper tonight---or something.
Testosterone. Not wanted or needed in Obama's America.
Quote from: quiller on October 11, 2010, 06:45:53 PM
This is absolutely nothing new. Hard core feminazis tried to claim every male alive was a rapist-in-training, as far back as the mid-60s. Every last one of us brutes waits behind some bush, 24/7/365, waiting for Priscilla Victim. That or we're bombed on 'shine in some trailer park, pounding Jayzus into Billie Sue because the 'taters were cold at supper tonight---or something.
Testosterone. Not wanted or needed in Obama's America.
What a bunch of fools, I remember that oh so very well.
Hang on, ST is acting up again...
I was just brow beating ST about my wife beater tank tops not being folded correctly.
Quote from: Solar on October 11, 2010, 06:51:26 PM
What a bunch of fools, I remember that oh so very well.
Hang on, ST is acting up again...
I was just brow beating ST about my wife beater tank tops not being folded correctly.
People do wonder about all my bruises you know. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Quote from: Solars Toy on October 11, 2010, 06:55:00 PM
People do wonder about all my bruises you know. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
And I have documentation from the paramedics that you are just a klutz. :-* ;D
Quote from: Solar on October 11, 2010, 06:57:44 PM
And I have documentation from the paramedics that you are just a klutz. :-* ;D
Keep on, Solar, and she'll start feeding you cold dingleberries for suppa.
Quote from: Solar on October 11, 2010, 05:38:44 PM
I saw this and my first thought was what does this have to do with the child, but reading further, he is accused of abuse.
Then it hit me, they are trying to associate the Right, with being abusive to women.
The left has yet to hit bottom.
The abuse was implied(apparently) by his involvement in a "anti Govt Paramilitary organization" (which oathkeepers is NOT) was mentioned and seemed to be grounds for substantiation of said allegations.
Billy
Quote from: Shooterman on October 11, 2010, 08:54:57 PM
Keep on, Solar, and she'll start feeding you cold dingleberries for suppa.
That ok Shooter he has to sleep sometime. ;D
Quote from: Solar on October 11, 2010, 05:38:44 PM
I saw this and my first thought was what does this have to do with the child, but reading further, he is accused of abuse.
Then it hit me, they are trying to associate the Right, with being abusive to women.
The left has yet to hit bottom.
Both he and his fiance were cleared of that charge.
The Obama administration is becoming more Nazi-like in their actions, imo. I'd say the whole thing is ridiculous, but it's really happening, so it's scarey.
Anyone know of any other organization in which it's members are arrested just for being members? >:(
Quote from: crepe05 on October 12, 2010, 03:23:05 AM
Both he and his fiance were cleared of that charge.
The Obama administration is becoming more Nazi-like in their actions, imo. I'd say the whole thing is ridiculous, but it's really happening, so it's scarey.
Anyone know of any other organization in which it's members are arrested just for being members? >:(
The way Obamacommie's operating the DOJ, the safe answer is: Hutaree.
Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on October 11, 2010, 09:02:25 PM
The abuse was implied(apparently) by his involvement in a "anti Govt Paramilitary organization" (which oathkeepers is NOT) was mentioned and seemed to be grounds for substantiation of said allegations.
Billy
Then it's true, all Oath Keepers are guilty of abuse.
Must be true, we all know how the left works, "Guilt by association".
Quote from: crepe05 on October 12, 2010, 03:23:05 AM
Both he and his fiance were cleared of that charge.
The Obama administration is becoming more Nazi-like in their actions, imo. I'd say the whole thing is ridiculous, but it's really happening, so it's scarey.
Anyone know of any other organization in which it's members are arrested just for being members? >:(
You cannot arrest someone for being a member of anything, even the KKK or neo Nazi's or Al Qieda for that matter. You have to commit a crime or plan one, merely being a member of an organization is not an arrestable offense, freedom of assembly etc.
Of course these idiots in power pay no attention to the law, they would outlaw the tea party, outlaw the republican party and outlaw Fox news if they could get away with it.
Billy
Here's a bit more credible story instead of that whacked out WND site -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319827/Couple-newborn-baby-taken-away-fathers-involvement-Oath-Keepers.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319827/Couple-newborn-baby-taken-away-fathers-involvement-Oath-Keepers.html)
Quote from: Pagan on October 12, 2010, 06:31:15 PM
Here's a bit more credible story instead of that whacked out WND site -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319827/Couple-newborn-baby-taken-away-fathers-involvement-Oath-Keepers.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319827/Couple-newborn-baby-taken-away-fathers-involvement-Oath-Keepers.html)
;D ;D ;D ;D
So the Daily mail copies the article from the "Whacked out" WND site word for word and in your opinion they are more credible?????
Okay...whatever. ::)
Billy
What exactly makes the Oathkeepers a danger?
Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on October 12, 2010, 06:37:33 PM
;D ;D ;D ;D
So the Daily mail copies the article from the "Whacked out" WND site word for word and in your opinion they are more credible?????
Okay...whatever. ::)
Billy
They're tabloid but they sure not as whacked out as WND and FYI my post was an attempt to give it a bit more credibility than WND which is a complete joke.
Here's another story
http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/219975/oath-keepers-plans-rally (http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/219975/oath-keepers-plans-rally)
WND, Alex Jones, Prison Planet, come on ................ if you wanna be taken seriously don't source those lunatics.
Quote from: Pagan on October 12, 2010, 06:48:45 PM
They're tabloid but they sure not as whacked out as WND and FYI my post was an attempt to give it a bit more credibility than WND which is a complete joke.
Here's another story
http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/219975/oath-keepers-plans-rally (http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/219975/oath-keepers-plans-rally)
WND, Alex Jones, Prison Planet, come on ................ if you wanna be taken seriously don't source those lunatics.
Nope, you are busted, you said they were loons and whacked out yet you sourced a source that sourced them.... :D
If WND is not credible then why is anybody, tabloid or not refering to it, WORD FOR WORD?????
Why did you vicariously quote them while trying to refute their credibility?
Billy
Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on October 12, 2010, 06:53:56 PM
Nope, you are busted, you said they were loons and whacked out yet you sourced a source that sourced them.... :D
If WND is not credible then why is anybody, tabloid or not refering to it, WORD FOR WORD?????
Why did you vicariously quote them while trying to refute their credibility?
Billy
what ever, continue to quote WND, Prison Planet, Alex Jones, etc. and keep looking like a fool. It's no shit in my shorts
Quote from: Pagan on October 12, 2010, 06:31:15 PM
Here's a bit more credible story instead of that whacked out WND site -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319827/Couple-newborn-baby-taken-away-fathers-involvement-Oath-Keepers.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319827/Couple-newborn-baby-taken-away-fathers-involvement-Oath-Keepers.html)
Are you serious? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Daily mail??? ;D ;D ;D
I think you're confusing WND with Newsmax.
WND is quite reputable, liberals have been trying to discredit the site, simply because they expose liberal hypocrisy, and quite well I might add.
Quote from: Pagan on October 12, 2010, 06:57:08 PM
what ever, continue to quote WND, Prison Planet, Alex Jones, etc. and keep looking like a fool. It's no shit in my shorts
Because you don't like the tone of their articles they are loons eh? One would look like a fool if the article were false....however, that ain't the case now is it?
Billy
Quote from: Solar on October 12, 2010, 07:04:27 PM
Are you serious? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Daily mail??? ;D ;D ;D
I think you're confusing WND with Newsmax.
WND is quite reputable, liberals have been trying to discredit the site, simply because they expose liberal hypocrisy, and quite well I might add.
WND credible?
Oh I'm going to piss myself I'm laughing so hard ........................ ;D ;D ;D ;D
Oh, Prison Planet and infowars are also pillars of credibility :D :D :D :D :D :D
Drudge, Fox News, Rush, Glenn Beck they ALL source them ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Pagan on October 12, 2010, 07:23:40 PM
WND credible?
Oh I'm going to piss myself I'm laughing so hard ........................ ;D ;D ;D ;D
Oh, Prison Planet and infowars are also pillars of credibility :D :D :D :D :D :D
Drudge, Fox News, Rush, Glenn Beck they ALL source them ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Your need to lump them in with Prison Planet and infowars, says more about you, than it does me.
WND has broken some stories that have been posted on Drudge and other sites.
But please, are you trying to imply that the MSM is some kind of infallible representative of the media?
Dan Rather comes ti mind, but don't forget, all news sources have some sort of agenda, at least WND is up front about theirs.
Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on October 12, 2010, 06:53:56 PM
Nope, you are busted, you said they were loons and whacked out yet you sourced a source that sourced them.... :D
If WND is not credible then why is anybody, tabloid or not refering to it, WORD FOR WORD?????
Why did you vicariously quote them while trying to refute their credibility?
Billy
Really, where?
Quote from: Solar on October 12, 2010, 07:56:10 PM
Your need to lump them in with Prison Planet and infowars, says more about you, than it does me.
WND has broken some stories that have been posted on Drudge and other sites.
But please, are you trying to imply that the MSM is some kind of infallible representative of the media?
Dan Rather comes ti mind, but don't forget, all news sources have some sort of agenda, at least WND is up front about theirs.
If you scroll down to the bottom of Drudge you will see a link to WND on the right ;D
Drudge links to infowars as well....
Quote from: Cryptic Bert on October 12, 2010, 07:57:57 PM
If you scroll down to the bottom of Drudge you will see a link to WND on the right ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Of course it's on the
RIGHT. ;)
Quote from: Cryptic Bert on October 12, 2010, 07:57:57 PM
If you scroll down to the bottom of Drudge you will see a link to WND on the right ;D
Really?
Only in your imagination
You always this full of shit or do you just make up shit when you're made a fool of?
Quote from: Pagan on October 13, 2010, 03:26:15 AM
Really?
Only in your imagination
You always this full of shit or do you just make up shit when you're made a fool of?
It's at 3rd-from-the-bottom --- on the LEFT side of the Drudge page.
You really should check more carefully. I found it in under 5 seconds.
Quote from: Pagan on October 13, 2010, 03:26:15 AM
Really?
Only in your imagination
You always this full of shit or do you just make up shit when you're made a fool of?
You're the guy being made the fool of and you don't realize it Peggie, thats why you are trying to cover your blunder with this hissy fit, typical lib tactic.
First you challenge WND by quoting a foreign rag like the Dailymail, never mind that the article the DM quoted was word for word what WND had posted. That means DM either sourced WND or DRUDGE or perhaps even the local news paper in NH who WND and Drudge likely did as well since the article on all three sites is verbatim.
Like I said before....busted. ;D
Billy
Quote from: quiller on October 13, 2010, 07:27:00 AM
It's at 3rd-from-the-bottom --- on the LEFT side of the Drudge page.
You really should check more carefully. I found it in under 5 seconds.
Thanks mate.......
Quote from: Pagan on October 13, 2010, 03:26:15 AM
Really?
Only in your imagination
You always this full of shit or do you just make up shit when you're made a fool of?
Really? How come everyone else can find the WND and Infowars links on Drudge yet you can't? So, are you going to be a man and admit you fucked up or not?
Pursuant to Section 1983 of United States Code...
"Every person who under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, Suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress"
http://www.constitution.org/brief/forsythe_42-1983.htm (http://www.constitution.org/brief/forsythe_42-1983.htm)
This "civil rights" statute is frequently used by minorities to bring suit against a government agency (such as a police department) alleging violation of the fourteen ammmendment (equal protection/equal treatment) as well as other Constitutional Rights. It has also been used for such things as filing suit against Town Board members for such things as unfair zone restrictions targeting an individual or group of individuals.
I smell a lawsuit and a big time pay day coming, unless the "oathkeeper" issue was only an incidental charge in addition to more serious charges based upon real evidence of wrongdoing.
Quote from: Cryptic Bert on October 14, 2010, 12:20:49 AM
Thanks mate.......
You're welcome. I'm sure you meant on the
OTHER right side of Drudge's page, yes? :D
Quote from: Cryptic Bert on October 14, 2010, 12:42:33 AM
Really? How come everyone else can find the WND and Infowars links on Drudge yet you can't? So, are you going to be a man and admit you fucked up or not?
Helloooooo Realist....
Seems the mention of being an oathkeeper has been dropped and the baby returned...
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=215537 (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=215537)
Quote from: AmericanMom on October 15, 2010, 08:36:33 AM
Seems the mention of being an oathkeeper has been dropped and the baby returned...
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=215537 (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=215537)
Thanks AM for the update.
Here is a video recording from the Father describing the incident, disgusting what is happening to the Right in this Country!
Government Agents Seize Oath Keeper's New Born From Hospital (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvZRM-P46rI#)
Quote from: quiller on October 12, 2010, 04:27:23 AM
The way Obamacommie's operating the DOJ, the safe answer is: Hutaree.
I'll gladly admit that I had to look them up. They're not an organization that I'd care to join, but if they don't do anything wrong, let them stay out of jail. However, I do consider planning to kill policemen to be an arrestable offense.
How did I not know about this group? I hate that they operate under the name of Jesus. Of course I hate the few jerks and jerkettes who operate under Christianity and picket military funerals with quite nasty signs. Perhaps Hell will provide an especially hot, unpleasant place for them after death.
I live half an hour's drive from where Hutaree ringleaders were holed up in some godawful trailer park, spewing addled hateful nonsense --- and clearly provoked by a government informer within that group. The government now can't extricate itself from that but hopes to hold these people long enough (in lieu of actually being SENTENCED to serve time).
The point about supporting First Amendment rights is that we all wind up supporting the most odious, detestable forms of free speech, or we excuse censorship. There appears to be no rational middle ground. You either support free speech, or you don't.
Hutaree members are a bunch of halfwits driven by crackpot religious views and extremist nonsense force-fed to them by even greater Internet idiots and others. There is no shortage of religious hucksterism in my region, but it was the Michigan Militia who turned Hutaree members in, for their radical garbage.
This was the same Michigan Militia who had to clean up its act after the OK City bombing and McVeigh was shown to have been a militia member. In the case of alerting the feds to what Hutaree was saying as a group, they may have redeemed their tarnished image.
But the government can not produce proof that the group actually WOULD have acquired explosives without help from that same informant that (I assume) would be used against them in court. Detroit (read, liberal) judges in the federal circuit are appalled at the scope of backlash they would face in their own liberal community, if they released the defendants on bail, pending trial. It's safer to keep them warehoused and out of the public eye until win, lose or draw, the 2010 elections are history.
The baby has been returned to the parents. Good!
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=215537 (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=215537)
I'm glad the child was returned and the public outcry against this nonsense may have helped back off the Child protective agency for their stupidity.
Regarding Huatree, once again, these people are a bunch of idiot losers. ALL THEY DO IS TALK. Yes it is illegal to threaten police officers, however, it is part of the job, every Ghetto rat,redneck biker and two bit crook I ever encountered did the same, as long as all it is is TALK then there is little that can be and should be done except staying alert.
This type of stuff was known as "smoke stacking" in my day, macho bluster from pinheads usually drunk or stoned and talking out their axxes. The real thing, the real deal that you have to worry about is the guys who don't say anything but DO SOMETHING.
That is when the line is crossed, say anything you want but do something or take steps to do it and that is when you need to get smacked down. The Huatree are classic "smoke stackers", losers who couldn't plan a handjob. Treating them like that is making them into more than what they are....the feds are looking for some inflatable bad guy to have a reason to clamp down on the right.
Real dangerous folks, there are plenty of real bad guys around that need to be dealt with so why invent some?
...just look at what is happening on the Border...
Billy
Where is Realist? :D
Quote from: Cryptic Bert on October 16, 2010, 05:33:08 PM
Where is Realist? :D
He's certain it was just a made up story from WND. ::) ::) ::)