Quote from: mdgiles on June 12, 2015, 11:50:20 AM
He was arrested for having an illegal knife. He first came to their attention because he didn't look them in the eyes and was leaving the area in a hurry. Obviously he was right to want to have nothing to do with the police since he ended up DEAD! But don't worry the police will investigate, and find out he "needed" to be killed.

His suspicious actions at the scene of a known drug location (and recently uncovered emails by the DA
show that she requested priority enforcement there) warranted a stop and search.  The knife was cause for his arrest. 

Where this all unravels is in the Baltimore PD's apparent tradition of abusing prisoners with "rough rides."  There had been hefty monetary awards to prisoners crippled by such practices before Freddy Grey.  The fact that a Lieutenant did not ensure his safe transport appears reprehensible.  Criminally  negligent homicide... not murder.  But to make a leap from that to the equivalent of South American death squads riding about American cities is a bridge to far for me.

Quote from: red_dirt on June 12, 2015, 12:14:18 PM
This thread is a hot one. Am I in Dutch if I introduce the topic of the McKinley Pool Party?
I really don't want to put it as an up front topic, but am interested in the input. Video shows an officer trying to make an arrest in a screaming mob scene, two big guys come up behind him, he gets up, pulls his gun, and the two back away. Now the story is the law man pulled his gun and two teens. Press conferences , the whole bit.  Does it have Jarrett's fingerprints all over it? Is it from "Rules for Radicals?"   
Just ignore if you don't want to comment.

I never jumped out of a radio car and into a hostile crowd (and I have been in a few) without a nightstick (baton).  At the least, it allows for the use of force continuum...one need not jump from bare hands straight to brandishing a firearm.  Absent that, what choice does one have when two men are menacingly approaching from your blind side as you are trying to cuff a suspect?

I can not comment on the young lady's arrest since I don't know what brought her to his attention.

Quote from: mdgiles on June 12, 2015, 11:55:08 AM
Can any of you people imagine what it's like to live in the Inner city? Not only are there gang bangers and drug dealers shooting it out; but if you call the police, they might kill you too! They're supposed to be part of the solution, not part of the problem. Do you people actually believe that the people in these cities should be willing to put up with dead relatives and friends, just to get the police protection they're due. If so something is deeply wrong with you folks!

Damned if ya do, and damned if ya don't?
What a stupid attitude. So instead it's somehow all the cops fault that these neighborhoods are shit holes?

There's this little thing known as education, and there is absolutely nothing stopping these people from bettering their lives by either getting the Hell out, or doing something about the problem, rather than attacking the very people charged with helping them.

Have you not seen where every call an officer goes out on, he's surrounded by a group of so called "Concerned Citizens"?
Wake up, your attitude and people like you are freakin enablers of these crime ridden cess pits.

Quote from: taxed on June 12, 2015, 11:53:56 AM
What did the police do wrong again?

HE WAS IN THEIR CUSTODY AND HE DIED. SO WHO ELSE WAS RESPONSIBLE? OR DON'T YOU BELIEVE THE POLICE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PEOPLE IN THEIR CUSTODY?

Quote from: bluelieu on June 12, 2015, 12:20:17 PM
His suspicious actions at the scene of a known drug location (and recently uncovered emails by the DA
show that she requested priority enforcement there) warranted a stop and search.  The knife was cause for his arrest. 

Where this all unravels is in the Baltimore PD's apparent tradition of abusing prisoners with "rough rides."  There had been hefty monetary awards to prisoners crippled by such practices before Freddy Grey.  The fact that a Lieutenant did not ensure his safe transport appears reprehensible.  Criminally  negligent homicide... not murder.  But to make a leap from that to the equivalent of South American death squads riding about American cities is a bridge to far for me.

And it's suspicious to leave a known drug location - WHICH IS A PUBLIC STREET CORNER. And criminally negligent homicide can be tried as second degree murder. Is it your contention that we should expect less of the police?

Quote from: Solar on June 12, 2015, 01:16:29 PM
Damned if ya do, and damned if ya don't?
What a stupid attitude. So instead it's somehow all the cops fault that these neighborhoods are shit holes?

There's this little thing known as education, and there is absolutely nothing stopping these people from bettering their lives by either getting the Hell out, or doing something about the problem, rather than attacking the very people charged with helping them.

Have you not seen where every call an officer goes out on, he's surrounded by a group of so called "Concerned Citizens"?
Wake up, your attitude and people like you are freakin enablers of these crime ridden cess pits.

Which part of be part of the solution not part of the problem are you having trouble understanding? Why exactly are these neighborhoods "shitholes" as opposed to a poor neighborhood where mostly honest people live. Or is it your idea because people are poor and live among criminals, it's just okay for the police to kill the with impunity?

Quote from: mdgiles on June 12, 2015, 01:25:30 PM
HE WAS IN THEIR CUSTODY AND HE DIED. SO WHO ELSE WAS RESPONSIBLE? OR DON'T YOU BELIEVE THE POLICE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PEOPLE IN THEIR CUSTODY?

What exactly happened?

Quote from: mdgiles on June 12, 2015, 01:35:21 PM
Which part of be part of the solution not part of the problem are you having trouble understanding? Why exactly are these neighborhoods "shitholes" as opposed to a poor neighborhood where mostly honest people live. Or is it your idea because people are poor and live among criminals, it's just okay for the police to kill the with impunity?

Jeeez! What part of personal responsibility do you not get?
I grew up in one of these shit holes and guess what? I got the Hell out, just like these people can do, orrrr...They could ban together with neighborhood watch and clean the place up. But that falls to back to that thing called personal responsibility.

There is a huge difference in poor neighborhoods, and shit holes like you find in DC.

Quote from: mdgiles on June 12, 2015, 08:21:11 AM
FUCK Marxist hype bullshit! I don't trust government bully boys simply because they put on a police uniform. You're the good damn lemming, too blind to understand that people with guns, who have the right to use deadly force, are a danger to EVERYBODY if you don't keep a close rein on them. You seem to have forgotten how the police in Wisconsin ignored their fellow union buddies acting up. BTW, you're reacting like a fever swamp right winger, NOT a true conservative, who isn't in love with ANY part of big government. If you're willing to overlook some parts of Big Government because "they're on your side"; what's the difference between you and the Leftards?

Whats YOUR solution, you don;t want the cops to do anything to protect themselves, you want them indicted everytime the use force, you want them so INTIMIDATED they are in effective, which is exactly what the left wantd.

WHATS THE ALTERNATIVE?????

A disarmed, disbanded police? Taken over by Federal Authority under some "Ombudsman" in Washington DC.....or....as you not in another thread....Muslims in charge of the police Dept?

By the way, although small Govt is a conservative bench mark  SO IS LAW AND ORDER, with out such business and free enterprise cannot exist.

Quote from: red_dirt on June 12, 2015, 12:14:18 PM
This thread is a hot one. Am I in Dutch if I introduce the topic of the McKinley Pool Party?
I really don't want to put it as an up front topic, but am interested in the input. Video shows an officer trying to make an arrest in a screaming mob scene, two big guys come up behind him, he gets up, pulls his gun, and the two back away. Now the story is the law man pulled his gun and two teens. Press conferences , the whole bit.  Does it have Jarrett's fingerprints all over it? Is it from "Rules for Radicals?"   
Just ignore if you don't want to comment.

The "pool Party" is an excellent example.  I used to have to deal with that type of crap almost every day as a rookie walking a footbeat, you get a call of an unruly party, or "youths hanging on the corner" and you got no choice but to respond....as soon as you get there half a dozen asshole start in on you....look...they sendin' in  anotha cracka M******f*****r.

Then somebody, usually reeking of wine or pot or both decides st o see how far he can take it, show off etc and makes a grab for you....what do you do?

Now, these people are being ENCOURAGED to start shit, they know that OBAMAO got their back, they know if they are a minority and the cop is white he is automatically wrong.

More fights start by some loudmouth young black girl screeching he head off,  they know by doing this it will raise everyones BP, exacerbate the situation and that is what you have in this case.

The facts of the matter are that there definitely exists a pattern all right.   The pattern is that some prosecutors and/or liberal politicians are engaged in a deliberate pattern of fixing blame on the police or any white whenever an incident that ends badly involves a black.  From the Martin case in Florida where there was zero probable cause, even in the arrest affidavit that the designated prosecutor used to falsely charge Zimmerman with murder, to the most recent incident where the Baltimore prosecutor seems unaware of US Supreme Court decisions making the pursuit and arrest fully legal it is clear that politically correct responses are more important than justice.  Liberals who bemoan the lack of blacks on police departments ignore not only the fact that many blacks have criminal records, but the fact that blacks DO NOT WANT TO BE PART OF POLICE DEPARTMENTS.  There is so much contempt in black communities for law enforcement that those who might consider law enforcement as a career are very reluctant to do so since they would be viewed as traitors by the black community.  Horse pucky from ignorant Liberals who allege nefarious motivations of the police or lack of effort on the part of recruitment aside, this has been soundly demonstrated over the past forty years where affirmative action plans and extensive recruitment efforts by thousands of police departments nationwide have failed dismally to increase black officer percentages in departments to match the ethnic makeup of their communities.

Quote from: mdgiles on June 12, 2015, 01:31:26 PM
And it's suspicious to leave a known drug location - WHICH IS A PUBLIC STREET CORNER. And criminally negligent homicide can be tried as second degree murder. Is it your contention that we should expect less of the police?

Giles, he FLED  the scene...he didn't saunter off...THAT is reasonable suspicion for a stop and search...the search led to a "switchblade"...I am not from your state, but in NYS  that is possession of a DEADLY WEAPON..a Felony....and I have never advocated for special treatment under the law for cops.  But Freddie Gray's arrest was legit...his custody was problematic.

Quote from: walkstall on June 12, 2015, 11:05:52 AM
WHY don't the blacks start cleaning up there areas like the American Indian have on some of there Reservations?

Hey, I have a better idea, along the same lines.

These are the same sweeties who show up at the emergency room, bawling, on the public dime, with six or eight bullet holes in their body's, and start flinging their blood at the doctors and nurses, bellowing, "I got AIDS I got AIDS."  You couldn't pay me.

This is a commie ploy........... Hog Tie The cops.
Some leader with balls will have to stop this.

I love martial law..................... Bang, bang freeze.

Quote from: Solar on June 12, 2015, 01:16:29 PM
Damned if ya do, and damned if ya don't?
What a stupid attitude. So instead it's somehow all the cops fault that these neighborhoods are shit holes?

There's this little thing known as education, and there is absolutely nothing stopping these people from bettering their lives by either getting the Hell out, or doing something about the problem, rather than attacking the very people charged with helping them.

Have you not seen where every call an officer goes out on, he's surrounded by a group of so called "Concerned Citizens"?
Wake up, your attitude and people like you are freakin enablers of these crime ridden cess pits.

Not an attitude, just reality. And are you suggesting that if you are poor, you should be content to be treated badly. The nerve of those people, not being as wealthy as you feel they should be! I guess the fact of their bing poor and being used for target practice by some police, can be thought of as incentive.