This "Duh! Moment" deserves filing under
So Ye Reap So Shall Ye Sow....http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-tough-time-hiring-black-cops-bill-bratton-article-1.2252202
QuoteThe NYPD has a hard time hiring black men to become police officers because too many have criminal records, the city's top cop said in an interview.
NYPD Commissioner Bill Bratton said it's a challenge to find hirable blacks because so many African-American men have been arrested.
"We have a significant population gap among African-American males because so many of them have spent time in jail and, as such, we can't hire them," Bratton said in an interview published Tuesday by The Guardian, a British newspaper with a New York bureau.
Bratton put at least part of the blame on the NYPD's use of the controversial tactic stop-and-frisk, according to The Guardian. He acknowledged the "unfortunate consequences (of) stop, question and frisk," a policy that hit communities of color hardest.
Pretty soon no one will want to be a cop....then what?
Quote from: Dori on June 10, 2015, 08:33:30 AM
Pretty soon no one will want to be a cop....then what?
More black people will live.
Quote from: Leftwinger on June 10, 2015, 08:53:06 AM
More black people will live.
Your not even making any sense.
Less cops there are less of them to shoot black people. I cant believe that needed to be explained.
FYI, it was tongue and cheek.
Quote from: Leftwinger on June 10, 2015, 09:19:23 AM
Less cops there are less of them to shoot black people. I cant believe that needed to be explained.
FYI, it was tongue and cheek.
It's hard to tell with you
Quote from: Leftwinger on June 10, 2015, 08:53:06 AM
More black people will live.
Same with removing abortion-clinics from mostly black neighborhoods, don'tcha think ?
http://blackgenocide.org/planned.html
Quote from: quiller on June 10, 2015, 08:13:03 AM
This "Duh! Moment" deserves filing under So Ye Reap So Shall Ye Sow....
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-tough-time-hiring-black-cops-bill-bratton-article-1.2252202
QuoteThe NYPD has a hard time hiring black men to become police officers because too many have criminal records, the city's top cop said in an interview.
NYPD Commissioner Bill Bratton said it's a challenge to find hirable blacks because so many African-American men have been arrested.
"We have a significant population gap among African-American males because so many of them have spent time in jail and, as such, we can't hire them," Bratton said in an interview published Tuesday by The Guardian, a British newspaper with a New York bureau.
Bratton put at least part of the blame on the NYPD's use of the controversial tactic stop-and-frisk, according to The Guardian. He acknowledged the "unfortunate consequences (of) stop, question and frisk," a policy that hit communities of color hardest.
The City of Syracuse New York just passed a resolution to stop inquiring of job applicants whether they have a criminal record. I have to assume that this upstate New york city is not the first municipality to decide to do this. So, how would you like the possiblity of ex-felons having access to all your personal data; I assume those even on probation or parole would be ablee to apply for any job they wish without having any reason to worry about their (public) employer knowing anything about who and what they are. Just think about this, the next time the meter reader needs to come inside your home.
Quote from: Leftwinger on June 10, 2015, 08:53:06 AM
More black people will live.
I don't think so. Remember more black people are killing each other then police officers are killing them.
snip~
Over the past 35 years in America, an estimated 324,000 blacks have been killed at the hands of fellow blacks, proving "racist" white cops are the least of their worries.
more @
http://americanfreepress.net/?p=21594#sthash.mpKCrs5V.dpuf
Quote from: Leftwinger on June 10, 2015, 08:53:06 AM
More black people will live.
Typical liberal naive thinking. If there are less police there will be more Blacks killing Blacks.
Quote from: Leftwinger on June 10, 2015, 08:53:06 AM
More black people will live.
Don't count on it! :rolleyes:
Quote from: walkstall on June 10, 2015, 11:40:21 AM
I don't think so. Remember more black people are killing each other then police officers are killing them.
snip~
Over the past 35 years in America, an estimated 324,000 blacks have been killed at the hands of fellow blacks, proving "racist" white cops are the least of their worries.
more @
http://americanfreepress.net/?p=21594#sthash.mpKCrs5V.dpuf
Data are meaningless to a lefty!
Quote from: Leftwinger on June 10, 2015, 09:19:23 AM
Less cops there are less of them to shoot black people. I cant believe that needed to be explained.
FYI, it was tongue and cheek.
and which set of cheeks was your tongue in when you say imbecilic things such as that?
Actually you are right in a twisted sort of way....the less cops there are the more black people will likely die. As any fool realizes, more black people in this country die at the hand of another black person, usually by gunshot. The less cops there are to stop the thugs and arrest them for carrying handguns the more they are free to run around and shoot other black people (also include rob rape and steal).
Statistics (facts) prove this, but I understand as a left winger you don;t want to accept such facts and deal with gut emotion.
Quote from: quiller on June 10, 2015, 08:13:03 AM
This "Duh! Moment" deserves filing under So Ye Reap So Shall Ye Sow....
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-tough-time-hiring-black-cops-bill-bratton-article-1.2252202
QuoteThe NYPD has a hard time hiring black men to become police officers because too many have criminal records, the city's top cop said in an interview.
NYPD Commissioner Bill Bratton said it's a challenge to find hirable blacks because so many African-American men have been arrested.
"We have a significant population gap among African-American males because so many of them have spent time in jail and, as such, we can't hire them," Bratton said in an interview published Tuesday by The Guardian, a British newspaper with a New York bureau.
Bratton put at least part of the blame on the NYPD's use of the controversial tactic stop-and-frisk, according to The Guardian. He acknowledged the "unfortunate consequences (of) stop, question and frisk," a policy that hit communities of color hardest.
Real easy solution...as My former Boss Marion Barry concluded....lower the standards so that black people with criminal records (even violent felonies) can join the dept. Lower the testing standards so that even somebody without a high school diploma can join the PD.
Quote from: Leftwinger on June 10, 2015, 08:53:06 AM
More black people will live.
Explain that with sources.
Quote from: The Boo Man... on June 10, 2015, 06:36:25 PM
Explain that with sources.
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All this proves is that the the blacks who don't have a criminal record are smart enough not to want to jeopardize everything they've worked hard for all of their lives by strapping on a gun and a badge and putting a big bulls-eye on their backs!
And I don't blame them one bit.
If they came from the inner city, they had to fight hard against peer pressure not to give in to the thug lifestyle. If they worked hard in school and got good grades, they were outcasts - called Uncle Tom's and Porch Ni&&ers and worse...
In the end, the prevailed and lifted themselves, by there own bootstraps, out of that infernal cesspool.
And now the NYPD can't understand why a person who suffered through all of that, doesn't want to risk his/her life to return to the very hell on Earth that they worked so hard to extricate themselves from?
Really? REALLY!
Quote from: Darth Fife on June 10, 2015, 08:59:52 PM
All this proves is that the the blacks who don't have a criminal record are smart enough not to want to jeopardize everything they've worked hard for all of their lives by strapping on a gun and a badge and putting a big bulls-eye on their backs!
And I don't blame them one bit.
If they came from the inner city, they had to fight hard against peer pressure not to give in to the thug lifestyle. If they worked hard in school and got good grades, they were outcasts - called Uncle Tom's and Porch Ni&&ers and worse...
In the end, the prevailed and lifted themselves, by there own bootstraps, out of that infernal cesspool.
And now the NYPD can't understand why a person who suffered through all of that, doesn't want to risk his/her life to return to the very hell on Earth that they worked so hard to extricate themselves from?
Really? REALLY!
That's exactly how I see it too. It's become a thankless job, a job that at one time was respected by the community.
But today a Community organizer posing as a POTUS is systematically destroy race relations and placing the blame on the very people sworn to protect them.
Marxism 101, (Alynsky rules) stolen from Sun Tzu, "Divide and Conquer".
Quote from: Darth Fife on June 10, 2015, 08:59:52 PM
All this proves is that the the blacks who don't have a criminal record are smart enough not to want to jeopardize everything they've worked hard for all of their lives by strapping on a gun and a badge and putting a big bulls-eye on their backs!
And I don't blame them one bit.
If they came from the inner city, they had to fight hard against peer pressure not to give in to the thug lifestyle. If they worked hard in school and got good grades, they were outcasts - called Uncle Tom's and Porch Ni&&ers and worse...
In the end, the prevailed and lifted themselves, by there own bootstraps, out of that infernal cesspool.
And now the NYPD can't understand why a person who suffered through all of that, doesn't want to risk his/her life to return to the very hell on Earth that they worked so hard to extricate themselves from?
Really? REALLY!
Ahh, so you do understand. Look most white people don't want to be cops
IF you can find a better paying job. Why would someone black want to patrol those mean streets, dealing with those same A-holes who used to try and take your lunch money. Because that's what you'll be dealing with, the police have almost no interaction with the quiet, honest residents of the inner cities. That's why those interactions turn out so badly when they do happen; Police used to dealing with thugs and hoodlums react badly when someone honest doesn't act the way they expect them too.
For one thing:
These people need to learn to tell the truth.
Not one of the cop shootings proved that the cops love shooting blacks. (even their guilt)
That cop that pushed the girl down was justified. (will not obey orders) He had two blacks coming toward him in a threatening way, pull your gun. This country has lost it due to hatred.
Quote from: supsalemgr on June 10, 2015, 01:04:48 PM
Typical liberal naive thinking. If there are less police there will be more Blacks killing Blacks.
Let me get this straight, now, just to be sure.
1) Police in New York are having trouble finding black candidates with clean records.
2) Many of those arrests and convictions result from stop and frisk policies.
Proposed solution: The police lighten up on stop and frisk, there will be fewer arrests; hence, a greater pool of qualified candidates to be policemen.
Ah, OK, I think I see it. :mellow:
The NYPD has never had a problem getting black police officers...it has a problem getting MALE African Americans. Female blacks have always been available and since more of them have "some college" and no major records, they have been a great source. West Indians, Haitians and Africans also pass through with few problems (although the populations are smaller). 30% of eligible male African Americans are eliminated by felony records. Add to that, all the eliminators which equally impact on other groups (psychological screening, poor work records, medical screening, etc.) and the eligible pool becomes small. Finally, add in the social elements...police officers are viewed in a negative manner by black communities and amongst young African Americans a male cop from the neighborhood is viewed as a pariah. Curiously, female Blacks are not as stigmatized and it is view as upward mobility. The NYPD recruitment is going through a boom time amongst Eastern European (Poles and former USSR) immigrants and is seriously gaining ground amongst Asians.
Quote from: Solar on June 11, 2015, 05:59:14 AM
That's exactly how I see it too. It's become a thankless job, a job that at one time was respected by the community.
But today a Community organizer posing as a POTUS is systematically destroy race relations and placing the blame on the very people sworn to protect them.
Marxism 101, (Alynsky rules) stolen from Sun Tzu, "Divide and Conquer".
Mark Levin just recited a long narrative on the war on police, concluding that it is the "Ferguson Success Story," for Obama, Jarrett, and Holder.
Quote from: red_dirt on June 11, 2015, 06:08:38 PM
Mark Levin just recited a long narrative on the war on police, concluding that it is the "Ferguson Success Story," for Obama, Jarrett, and Holder.
He's absolutely correct. Look at all the morons repeating how cops target blacks.
Yes, to the Marxist, it's agenda complete.
Quote from: darroll on June 11, 2015, 11:25:05 AM
For one thing:
These people need to learn to tell the truth.
Not one of the cop shootings proved that the cops love shooting blacks. (even their guilt)
That cop that pushed the girl down was justified. (will not obey orders) He had two blacks coming toward him in a threatening way, pull your gun. This country has lost it due to hatred.
Did you see the video of the shooting in North Charleston, or are you ignoring it because it doesn't fit your narrative?
Quote from: Solar on June 11, 2015, 08:39:22 PM
He's absolutely correct. Look at all the morons repeating how cops target blacks.
Yes, to the Marxist, it's agenda complete.
Yes no doubt about it the police are special, and should never be held responsible for anything. After all we have to let them do anything and everything , or they won't do anything - even what they're paid for. You know you can go on You Tube and see video after video of police brutality, and it simply doesn't register with some people. People willing to overlook anything for "Law and Order" are the same kind of people who VOTED the Nazis into power. And that scares the crap out of me!
Quote from: mdgiles on June 12, 2015, 06:20:16 AM
Yes no doubt about it the police are special, and should never be held responsible for anything. After all we have to let them do anything and everything , or they won't do anything - even what they're paid for. You know you can go on You Tube and see video after video of police brutality, and it simply doesn't register with some people. People willing to overlook anything for "Law and Order" are the same kind of people who VOTED the Nazis into power. And that scares the crap out of me!
NO! You're a fool to buy into the Marxist media hype that this shit is racially motivated by the cops. The only racial component, comes from the left stirring up idiots that react emotionally!
Moron! You are exactly the kind of fool I am talking about, you, like a lemming, jumped right on the racism bandwagon and never looked back.
Deny it all you want Giles, but Pavlov's point is proven. You are reacting as programmed by the Marxist agenda, and you can't even see you're the useful idiot you always rail against. Are you going to be a Pathetic Tool, or open your God Damned eyes for once?
Quote from: red_dirt on June 11, 2015, 11:33:06 AM
Let me get this straight, now, just to be sure.
1) Police in New York are having trouble finding black candidates with clean records.
2) Many of those arrests and convictions result from stop and frisk policies.
Proposed solution: The police lighten up on stop and frisk, there will be fewer arrests; hence, a greater pool of qualified candidates to be policemen.
Ah, OK, I think I see it. :mellow:
That's crazy talk. Stop and Frisk reduces crimes in and protects minority neighborhoods. If the people aren't doing anything illegal, there won't be any records. But it's kind of a moot point, being de Blasio has stopped "Stop and Frisk". And the result is; higher crime and more murders in minority neighborhoods.
Quote from: mdgiles on June 12, 2015, 06:20:16 AM
Yes no doubt about it the police are special, and should never be held responsible for anything. After all we have to let them do anything and everything , or they won't do anything - even what they're paid for. You know you can go on You Tube and see video after video of police brutality, and it simply doesn't register with some people. People willing to overlook anything for "Law and Order" are the same kind of people who VOTED the Nazis into power. And that scares the crap out of me!
I agree with you more than you realize, Giles....31 of my 35 years "on the Job" were as a supervisor and you quickly learn that bosses who are ALWAYS "stand up guys" get taken advantage of by the troops. Very early on, cops learn to have a story ready. Today, more than ever, supervisors who accept the narrative rather than seeking the truth find themselves if not co-defendant then facing departmental charges. Hey, it's a tough job and cops make mistakes that have dire consequences. They also make stress-related poor decisions....and there is a small number who are bad people. There are always people that other cops do not want to ride with and you learn to watch them and those they buddy up with.
Quote from: Dori on June 12, 2015, 06:45:43 AM
That's crazy talk. Stop and Frisk reduces crimes in and protects minority neighborhoods. If the people aren't doing anything illegal, there won't be any records. But it's kind of a moot point, being de Blasio has stopped "Stop and Frisk". And the result is; higher crime and more murders in minority neighborhoods.
It's not a moot point if crimes are up but arrests are down. The only people suffering are the people living in those areas.
Quote from: Solar on June 12, 2015, 06:38:01 AM
NO! You're a fool to buy into the Marxist media hype that this shit is racially motivated by the cops. The only racial component, comes from the left stirring up idiots that react emotionally!
Moron! You are exactly the kind of fool I am talking about, you, like a lemming, jumped right on the racism bandwagon and never looked back.
Deny it all you want Giles, but Pavlov's point is proven. You are reacting as programmed by the Marxist agenda, and you can't even see you're the useful idiot you always rail against. Are you going to be a Pathetic Tool, or open your God Damned eyes for once?
FUCK Marxist hype bullshit! I don't trust government bully boys simply because they put on a police uniform. You're the good damn lemming, too blind to understand that people with guns, who have the right to use deadly force, are a danger to EVERYBODY if you don't keep a close rein on them. You seem to have forgotten how the police in Wisconsin ignored their fellow union buddies acting up. BTW, you're reacting like a fever swamp right winger, NOT a true conservative, who isn't in love with ANY part of big government. If you're willing to overlook some parts of Big Government because "they're on your side";
what's the difference between you and the Leftards?
Quote from: mdgiles on June 12, 2015, 08:21:11 AM
FUCK Marxist hype bullshit! I don't trust government bully boys simply because they put on a police uniform. You're the good damn lemming, too blind to understand that people with guns, who have the right to use deadly force, are a danger to EVERYBODY if you don't keep a close rein on them. You seem to have forgotten how the police in Wisconsin ignored their fellow union buddies acting up. BTW, you're reacting like a fever swamp right winger, NOT a true conservative, who isn't in love with ANY part of big government. If you're willing to overlook some parts of Big Government because "they're on your side"; what's the difference between you and the Leftards?
Screw you! As former law enforcement, I know the ratio of bad cops in the force as a tiny percentage, and your biased ignorance is what's fueling this BS.
As Blueleu pointed out, no one wants to work with these guys, they don't last long on the force.
You can't seem to understand the Marxist succeeds when idiots like you parrot this bull shit.
Your every post screams disarming the police, when the fact is, it's the intercity that's the problem, not those charged with keeping the peace.
Act like human beings and there wouldn't be a problem. Maybe they should make these Hell holes sanctuary pits of depravity without laws, drugs decriminalized, prostitution, etc, remove all law enforcement.
Go ahead and live amongst these scum if you think cops are the problem.
Funny, the rest of the country doesn't have an issue with law enforcement.
Quote from: Solar on June 12, 2015, 08:53:12 AM
Your every post screams disarming the police, when the fact is, it's the intercity that's the problem, not those charged with keeping the peace.
Act like human beings and there wouldn't be a problem. Maybe they should make these Hell holes sanctuary pits of depravity without laws, drugs decriminalized, prostitution, etc, remove all law enforcement.
Go ahead and live amongst these scum if you think cops are the problem.
Funny, the rest of the country doesn't have an issue with law enforcement.
Bingo. Just like in Baltimore. Arrests are down 56% and murder is way up. 5 were killed on Monday, 2 were kids.
Quote from: Dori on June 12, 2015, 10:26:23 AM
Bingo. Just like in Baltimore. Arrests are down 56% and murder is way up. 5 were killed on Monday, 2 were kids.
Yep, and these idiots claim police are the problem...Really?
They are clueless to the fact they are doing exactly what the Marxist predicted they'd do, which is exactly why he's doing it.
Has Alynsky's fingerprints all over it.
WHY don't the blacks start cleaning up there areas like the American Indian have on some of there Reservations?
Quote from: walkstall on June 12, 2015, 11:05:52 AM
WHY don't the blacks start cleaning up there areas like the American Indian have on some of there Reservations?
You'd have to start with cracking down on the drug trade and gangs. That's what the police were doing when they arrested Freddie, and look how that turned out. The next step is cracking down on the parents when their kids get unruly.
There is an area I used to drive by in Los Angeles that looked bad. Every once in awhile someone would come in and paint a building. The next day the taggers had come and spray painted graffiti all over it You just can't win.
Quote from: Solar on June 12, 2015, 08:53:12 AM
Screw you! As former law enforcement, I know the ratio of bad cops in the force as a tiny percentage, and your biased ignorance is what's fueling this BS.
As Blueleu pointed out, no one wants to work with these guys, they don't last long on the force.
You can't seem to understand the Marxist succeeds when idiots like you parrot this bull shit.
Your every post screams disarming the police, when the fact is, it's the intercity that's the problem, not those charged with keeping the peace.
Act like human beings and there wouldn't be a problem. Maybe they should make these Hell holes sanctuary pits of depravity without laws, drugs decriminalized, prostitution, etc, remove all law enforcement.
Go ahead and live amongst these scum if you think cops are the problem.
Funny, the rest of the country doesn't have an issue with law enforcement.
As former law enforcement, you're blind to any faults among them. My every post realizes that the police are allowed to use deadly force, so they should be damned careful about it. Shoot first and ask questions later, will get you into trouble in the military and they're SUPPOSED to hurt people and break things. Yet for some reason you don't believe there should be any restraints on the police. Here's an idea, let's dispense with courts and jails; and just execute people in the streets. I'm also sick and tired of all you assholes who seem to be complete incapable of comprehending that the vast majority of people living in minority communities are honest citizens. You sound as if EVERY minority has some sort of crime gene, when the vast majority have never broken a law in their lives. It's clowns like you who start out with the assumption that the minority must have done it, so therefore the cop is ALWAYS right to shot first even if it's a 12 year old with a toy. Hey he's black so it "must be" a real gun. I've posted stories where the police shot a kid carrying a candy bar, because the wrapper was shiny it "had" to be a gun. Baltimore is an excellent example. Grey was in police custody, they were responsible for his safety, yet he wound up DEAD. And all assholes like you can say is he "must have" killed himself. And all you clowns can bitch about id the nerve of the prosecutor for actually holding them responsible for doing their jobs. Meanwhile you're rooting on the cops slacking off on their jobs, as if we must allow them to do anything and everything or they'll do nothing. As if the public - you know, the people who employ and pay them - have absolutely no right to judge their performance.
Quote from: Dori on June 12, 2015, 11:17:07 AM
You'd have to start with cracking down on the drug trade and gangs. That's what the police were doing when they arrested Freddie, and look how that turned out. The next step is cracking down on the parents when their kids get unruly.
There is an area I used to drive by in Los Angeles that looked bad. Every once in awhile someone would come in and paint a building. The next day the taggers had come and spray painted graffiti all over it You just can't win.
He was arrested for having an illegal knife. He first came to their attention because he didn't look them in the eyes and was leaving the area in a hurry. Obviously he was right to want to have nothing to do with the police since he ended up DEAD! But don't worry the police will investigate, and find out he "needed" to be killed.
Quote from: mdgiles on June 12, 2015, 11:50:20 AM
He was arrested for having an illegal knife. He first came to their attention because he didn't look them in the eyes and was leaving the area in a hurry. Obviously he was right to want to have nothing to do with the police since he ended up DEAD! But don't worry the police will investigate, and find out he "needed" to be killed.
What did the police do wrong again?
Can any of you people imagine what it's like to live in the Inner city? Not only are there gang bangers and drug dealers shooting it out; but if you call the police, they might kill you too! They're supposed to be part of the solution, not part of the problem. Do you people actually believe that the people in these cities should be willing to put up with dead relatives and friends, just to get the police protection they're due. If so something is deeply wrong with you folks!
Quote from: mdgiles on June 12, 2015, 11:45:48 AM
As former law enforcement, you're blind to any faults among them. My every post realizes that the police are allowed to use deadly force, so they should be damned careful about it. Shoot first and ask questions later, will get you into trouble in the military and they're SUPPOSED to hurt people and break things. Yet for some reason you don't believe there should be any restraints on the police. Here's an idea, let's dispense with courts and jails; and just execute people in the streets. I'm also sick and tired of all you assholes who seem to be complete incapable of comprehending that the vast majority of people living in minority communities are honest citizens. You sound as if EVERY minority has some sort of crime gene, when the vast majority have never broken a law in their lives. It's clowns like you who start out with the assumption that the minority must have done it, so therefore the cop is ALWAYS right to shot first even if it's a 12 year old with a toy. Hey he's black so it "must be" a real gun. I've posted stories where the police shot a kid carrying a candy bar, because the wrapper was shiny it "had" to be a gun. Baltimore is an excellent example. Grey was in police custody, they were responsible for his safety, yet he wound up DEAD. And all assholes like you can say is he "must have" killed himself. And all you clowns can bitch about id the nerve of the prosecutor for actually holding them responsible for doing their jobs. Meanwhile you're rooting on the cops slacking off on their jobs, as if we must allow them to do anything and everything or they'll do nothing. As if the public - you know, the people who employ and pay them - have absolutely no right to judge their performance.
Cut the crap! Blacks make up 12.3 of the population, yet look at the amount of crimes committed.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls
You can play stupid all day long, but this is not a police problem, this is a black problem, exacerbated by the Marxists, and as long as you ignore reality, the problem will continue unabated.
Quote from: mdgiles on June 12, 2015, 11:55:08 AM
Can any of you people imagine what it's like to live in the Inner city? Not only are there gang bangers and drug dealers shooting it out; but if you call the police, they might kill you too! They're supposed to be part of the solution, not part of the problem. Do you people actually believe that the people in these cities should be willing to put up with dead relatives and friends, just to get the police protection they're due. If so something is deeply wrong with you folks!
Has Baltimore improved since the cops have been less active?
Quote from: mdgiles on June 12, 2015, 11:55:08 AM
Can any of you people imagine what it's like to live in the Inner city? Not only are there gang bangers and drug dealers shooting it out; but if you call the police, they might kill you too! They're supposed to be part of the solution, not part of the problem. Do you people actually believe that the people in these cities should be willing to put up with dead relatives and friends, just to get the police protection they're due. If so something is deeply wrong with you folks!
If I can move off the Indian reservation, then the blacks can move out of the government plantation.
Quote from: mdgiles on June 12, 2015, 11:55:08 AM
Can any of you people imagine what it's like to live in the Inner city? Not only are there gang bangers and drug dealers shooting it out; but if you call the police, they might kill you too! They're supposed to be part of the solution, not part of the problem. Do you people actually believe that the people in these cities should be willing to put up with dead relatives and friends, just to get the police protection they're due. If so something is deeply wrong with you folks!
So
without the police, you get gang bangers and drug dealers, and they might kill you too!
Tell me again where stepping on the cops alleviates that problem. Take your time....
This thread is a hot one. Am I in Dutch if I introduce the topic of the McKinley Pool Party?
I really don't want to put it as an up front topic, but am interested in the input. Video shows an officer trying to make an arrest in a screaming mob scene, two big guys come up behind him, he gets up, pulls his gun, and the two back away. Now the story is the law man pulled his gun and two teens. Press conferences , the whole bit. Does it have Jarrett's fingerprints all over it? Is it from "Rules for Radicals?"
Just ignore if you don't want to comment.
Quote from: mdgiles on June 12, 2015, 11:50:20 AM
He was arrested for having an illegal knife. He first came to their attention because he didn't look them in the eyes and was leaving the area in a hurry. Obviously he was right to want to have nothing to do with the police since he ended up DEAD! But don't worry the police will investigate, and find out he "needed" to be killed.
His suspicious actions at the scene of a known drug location (and recently uncovered emails by the DA
show that she requested priority enforcement there) warranted a stop and search. The knife was cause for his arrest.
Where this all unravels is in the Baltimore PD's apparent tradition of abusing prisoners with "rough rides." There had been hefty monetary awards to prisoners crippled by such practices before Freddy Grey. The fact that a Lieutenant did not ensure his safe transport appears reprehensible. Criminally negligent homicide... not murder. But to make a leap from that to the equivalent of South American death squads riding about American cities is a bridge to far for me.
Quote from: red_dirt on June 12, 2015, 12:14:18 PM
This thread is a hot one. Am I in Dutch if I introduce the topic of the McKinley Pool Party?
I really don't want to put it as an up front topic, but am interested in the input. Video shows an officer trying to make an arrest in a screaming mob scene, two big guys come up behind him, he gets up, pulls his gun, and the two back away. Now the story is the law man pulled his gun and two teens. Press conferences , the whole bit. Does it have Jarrett's fingerprints all over it? Is it from "Rules for Radicals?"
Just ignore if you don't want to comment.
I never jumped out of a radio car and into a hostile crowd (and I have been in a few) without a nightstick (baton). At the least, it allows for the use of force continuum...one need not jump from bare hands straight to brandishing a firearm. Absent that, what choice does one have when two men are menacingly approaching from your blind side as you are trying to cuff a suspect?
I can not comment on the young lady's arrest since I don't know what brought her to his attention.
Quote from: mdgiles on June 12, 2015, 11:55:08 AM
Can any of you people imagine what it's like to live in the Inner city? Not only are there gang bangers and drug dealers shooting it out; but if you call the police, they might kill you too! They're supposed to be part of the solution, not part of the problem. Do you people actually believe that the people in these cities should be willing to put up with dead relatives and friends, just to get the police protection they're due. If so something is deeply wrong with you folks!
Damned if ya do, and damned if ya don't?
What a stupid attitude. So instead it's somehow all the cops fault that these neighborhoods are shit holes?
There's this little thing known as education, and there is absolutely nothing stopping these people from bettering their lives by either getting the Hell out, or doing something about the problem, rather than attacking the very people charged with helping them.
Have you not seen where every call an officer goes out on, he's surrounded by a group of so called "Concerned Citizens"?
Wake up, your attitude and people like you are freakin enablers of these crime ridden cess pits.
Quote from: taxed on June 12, 2015, 11:53:56 AM
What did the police do wrong again?
HE WAS IN THEIR CUSTODY AND HE DIED. SO WHO ELSE WAS RESPONSIBLE? OR DON'T YOU BELIEVE THE POLICE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PEOPLE IN THEIR CUSTODY?
Quote from: bluelieu on June 12, 2015, 12:20:17 PM
His suspicious actions at the scene of a known drug location (and recently uncovered emails by the DA
show that she requested priority enforcement there) warranted a stop and search. The knife was cause for his arrest.
Where this all unravels is in the Baltimore PD's apparent tradition of abusing prisoners with "rough rides." There had been hefty monetary awards to prisoners crippled by such practices before Freddy Grey. The fact that a Lieutenant did not ensure his safe transport appears reprehensible. Criminally negligent homicide... not murder. But to make a leap from that to the equivalent of South American death squads riding about American cities is a bridge to far for me.
And it's suspicious to leave a known drug location - WHICH IS A PUBLIC STREET CORNER. And criminally negligent homicide can be tried as second degree murder. Is it your contention that we should expect less of the police?
Quote from: Solar on June 12, 2015, 01:16:29 PM
Damned if ya do, and damned if ya don't?
What a stupid attitude. So instead it's somehow all the cops fault that these neighborhoods are shit holes?
There's this little thing known as education, and there is absolutely nothing stopping these people from bettering their lives by either getting the Hell out, or doing something about the problem, rather than attacking the very people charged with helping them.
Have you not seen where every call an officer goes out on, he's surrounded by a group of so called "Concerned Citizens"?
Wake up, your attitude and people like you are freakin enablers of these crime ridden cess pits.
Which part of be part of the solution not part of the problem are you having trouble understanding? Why exactly are these neighborhoods "shitholes" as opposed to a poor neighborhood where mostly honest people live. Or is it your idea because people are poor and live among criminals, it's just okay for the police to kill the with impunity?
Quote from: mdgiles on June 12, 2015, 01:25:30 PM
HE WAS IN THEIR CUSTODY AND HE DIED. SO WHO ELSE WAS RESPONSIBLE? OR DON'T YOU BELIEVE THE POLICE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PEOPLE IN THEIR CUSTODY?
What exactly happened?
Quote from: mdgiles on June 12, 2015, 01:35:21 PM
Which part of be part of the solution not part of the problem are you having trouble understanding? Why exactly are these neighborhoods "shitholes" as opposed to a poor neighborhood where mostly honest people live. Or is it your idea because people are poor and live among criminals, it's just okay for the police to kill the with impunity?
Jeeez! What part of
personal responsibility do you not get?
I grew up in one of these shit holes and guess what? I got the Hell out, just like these people can do, orrrr...They could ban together with neighborhood watch and clean the place up. But that falls to back to that thing called personal responsibility.
There is a huge difference in poor neighborhoods, and shit holes like you find in DC.
Quote from: mdgiles on June 12, 2015, 08:21:11 AM
FUCK Marxist hype bullshit! I don't trust government bully boys simply because they put on a police uniform. You're the good damn lemming, too blind to understand that people with guns, who have the right to use deadly force, are a danger to EVERYBODY if you don't keep a close rein on them. You seem to have forgotten how the police in Wisconsin ignored their fellow union buddies acting up. BTW, you're reacting like a fever swamp right winger, NOT a true conservative, who isn't in love with ANY part of big government. If you're willing to overlook some parts of Big Government because "they're on your side"; what's the difference between you and the Leftards?
Whats YOUR solution, you don;t want the cops to do anything to protect themselves, you want them indicted everytime the use force, you want them so INTIMIDATED they are in effective, which is exactly what the left wantd.
WHATS THE ALTERNATIVE?????
A disarmed, disbanded police? Taken over by Federal Authority under some "Ombudsman" in Washington DC.....or....as you not in another thread....Muslims in charge of the police Dept?
By the way, although small Govt is a conservative bench mark SO IS
LAW AND ORDER, with out such business and free enterprise cannot exist.
Quote from: red_dirt on June 12, 2015, 12:14:18 PM
This thread is a hot one. Am I in Dutch if I introduce the topic of the McKinley Pool Party?
I really don't want to put it as an up front topic, but am interested in the input. Video shows an officer trying to make an arrest in a screaming mob scene, two big guys come up behind him, he gets up, pulls his gun, and the two back away. Now the story is the law man pulled his gun and two teens. Press conferences , the whole bit. Does it have Jarrett's fingerprints all over it? Is it from "Rules for Radicals?"
Just ignore if you don't want to comment.
The "pool Party" is an excellent example. I used to have to deal with that type of crap almost every day as a rookie walking a footbeat, you get a call of an unruly party, or "youths hanging on the corner" and you got no choice but to respond....as soon as you get there half a dozen asshole start in on you....look...they sendin' in anotha cracka M******f*****r.
Then somebody, usually reeking of wine or pot or both decides st o see how far he can take it, show off etc and makes a grab for you....what do you do?
Now, these people are being ENCOURAGED to start shit, they know that OBAMAO got their back, they know if they are a minority and the cop is white he is automatically wrong.
More fights start by some loudmouth young black girl screeching he head off, they know by doing this it will raise everyones BP, exacerbate the situation and that is what you have in this case.
The facts of the matter are that there definitely exists a pattern all right. The pattern is that some prosecutors and/or liberal politicians are engaged in a deliberate pattern of fixing blame on the police or any white whenever an incident that ends badly involves a black. From the Martin case in Florida where there was zero probable cause, even in the arrest affidavit that the designated prosecutor used to falsely charge Zimmerman with murder, to the most recent incident where the Baltimore prosecutor seems unaware of US Supreme Court decisions making the pursuit and arrest fully legal it is clear that politically correct responses are more important than justice. Liberals who bemoan the lack of blacks on police departments ignore not only the fact that many blacks have criminal records, but the fact that blacks DO NOT WANT TO BE PART OF POLICE DEPARTMENTS. There is so much contempt in black communities for law enforcement that those who might consider law enforcement as a career are very reluctant to do so since they would be viewed as traitors by the black community. Horse pucky from ignorant Liberals who allege nefarious motivations of the police or lack of effort on the part of recruitment aside, this has been soundly demonstrated over the past forty years where affirmative action plans and extensive recruitment efforts by thousands of police departments nationwide have failed dismally to increase black officer percentages in departments to match the ethnic makeup of their communities.
Quote from: mdgiles on June 12, 2015, 01:31:26 PM
And it's suspicious to leave a known drug location - WHICH IS A PUBLIC STREET CORNER. And criminally negligent homicide can be tried as second degree murder. Is it your contention that we should expect less of the police?
Giles, he FLED the scene...he didn't saunter off...THAT is reasonable suspicion for a stop and search...the search led to a "switchblade"...I am not from your state, but in NYS that is possession of a DEADLY WEAPON..a Felony....and I have never advocated for special treatment under the law for cops. But Freddie Gray's arrest was legit...his custody was problematic.
Quote from: walkstall on June 12, 2015, 11:05:52 AM
WHY don't the blacks start cleaning up there areas like the American Indian have on some of there Reservations?
Hey, I have a better idea, along the same lines.
These are the same sweeties who show up at the emergency room, bawling, on the public dime, with six or eight bullet holes in their body's, and start flinging their blood at the doctors and nurses, bellowing, "I got AIDS I got AIDS." You couldn't pay me.
This is a commie ploy........... Hog Tie The cops.
Some leader with balls will have to stop this.
I love martial law..................... Bang, bang freeze.
Quote from: Solar on June 12, 2015, 01:16:29 PM
Damned if ya do, and damned if ya don't?
What a stupid attitude. So instead it's somehow all the cops fault that these neighborhoods are shit holes?
There's this little thing known as education, and there is absolutely nothing stopping these people from bettering their lives by either getting the Hell out, or doing something about the problem, rather than attacking the very people charged with helping them.
Have you not seen where every call an officer goes out on, he's surrounded by a group of so called "Concerned Citizens"?
Wake up, your attitude and people like you are freakin enablers of these crime ridden cess pits.
Not an attitude, just reality. And are you suggesting that if you are poor, you should be content to be treated badly. The nerve of those people, not being as wealthy as you feel they should be! I guess the fact of their bing poor and being used for target practice by some police, can be thought of as incentive.
Quote from: taxed on June 12, 2015, 01:35:42 PM
What exactly happened?
What happened was that he was in police custody when he was injured, an injury that led to his death. Now who would you suggest was responsible? My first thought would be the people whose custody he was in. Occam's razor.
Quote from: Solar on June 12, 2015, 01:46:33 PM
Jeeez! What part of personal responsibility do you not get?
I grew up in one of these shit holes and guess what? I got the Hell out, just like these people can do, orrrr...They could ban together with neighborhood watch and clean the place up. But that falls to back to that thing called personal responsibility.
There is a huge difference in poor neighborhoods, and shit holes like you find in DC.
SO THE FUCK DID I!!!! Were you a criminal? Were ALL of the people who lived in those areas criminals.
You people sound insane. You say it's wrong to accuse any cop of bad behavior because the majority of police are good men and women; and then you turn around in the very next breath and say it's just fine to treat all minorities in the Inner Cities as criminals because a minority are. A majority of good cops makes all cops innocent; but a minority of city residents makes them all guilty. And you don't even recognize the problem with that "logic".
Quote from: bluelieu on June 12, 2015, 08:22:25 PM
Giles, he FLED the scene...he didn't saunter off...THAT is reasonable suspicion for a stop and search...the search led to a "switchblade"...I am not from your state, but in NYS that is possession of a DEADLY WEAPON..a Felony....and I have never advocated for special treatment under the law for cops. But Freddie Gray's arrest was legit...his custody was problematic.
And of course you should just stand there and gawk, when the police show up in force, to arrest a group of possibly armed drug dealers. Those dealers may not want to go to jail. I see you wouldn't mind being the innocent bystander, who gets killed. If you have lived in those neighborhoods all your life, what would be your reaction if there was the possibility of gunplay!
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on June 12, 2015, 05:24:01 PM
Whats YOUR solution, you don;t want the cops to do anything to protect themselves, you want them indicted everytime the use force, you want them so INTIMIDATED they are in effective, which is exactly what the left wantd.
WHATS THE ALTERNATIVE?????
A disarmed, disbanded police? Taken over by Federal Authority under some "Ombudsman" in Washington DC.....or....as you not in another thread....Muslims in charge of the police Dept?
By the way, although small Govt is a conservative bench mark SO IS LAW AND ORDER, with out such business and free enterprise cannot exist.
The difference between you and I, is I don't think of shooting anybody and everybody as "protecting themselves". And I don't think the lives of any police officer are any more special than the lives of any other citizen. Because that's what it comes down to, a group of people who believe their lives are worth more than anyone else's.
Quote from: mdgiles on June 13, 2015, 12:49:42 PM
Not an attitude, just reality. And are you suggesting that if you are poor, you should be content to be treated badly. The nerve of those people, not being as wealthy as you feel they should be! I guess the fact of their bing poor and being used for target practice by some police, can be thought of as incentive.
Ya know, you're making every cop into Dirty Harry, and excusing a whole lot of self-induced problems created by people who WANT lawlessness and neighborhood anarchy. If you want the criminals to win --- whatever race they are --- then your first boldest step is to drive out law enforcement and leave the predators in charge.
Tell me: what have black drug kingpins done to improve life for blacks in their cities? Aside from addicts, who do they listen to at all, having their way because cops don't dare invade their territory?
One of the original points has been lost in the discussion. That is, black men attach a peer pressed stigma to cooperating with the law, much less joining it. So you have another qualification non blacks and the Latin sector who associates with them must factor in; namely, independence of mind.
That's easier said than done. This is a culture that has developed a resentment of authority. It goes all the way to the present occupant of the White House. He's got the chip. But he can go home to the White House. The working man has to go home to his house in the neighborhood.
Quote from: mdgiles on June 13, 2015, 12:54:27 PM
What happened was that he was in police custody when he was injured, an injury that led to his death. Now who would you suggest was responsible? My first thought would be the people whose custody he was in. Occam's razor.
A sniper took out the guy in a stand off with Dallas police. Do you think that was Occam's razor too?
Quote from: mdgiles on June 13, 2015, 12:49:42 PM
Not an attitude, just reality. And are you suggesting that if you are poor, you should be content to be treated badly. The nerve of those people, not being as wealthy as you feel they should be! I guess the fact of their bing poor and being used for target practice by some police, can be thought of as incentive.
What has money to do with acting like complete degenerates?
There are no boundaries outside of stupidiity keeping these people on the Dim plantation. They make the choice in 90% of the cases to stay.
No, I have no sympathy for people that stay and live in squalor.
Do you actually think police want to harass people? I remember ignoring the petty shit, all because it tied me up from taking real emergency calls as well as the damned paperwork involved for a simple stop.
Believe me, paperwork is half the damn job, and you better be damned sure you dot your I's and cross your T's or you can expect a reprimand and possible lawsuit, so it's always better to avoid the bull shit.
Quote from: mdgiles on June 13, 2015, 12:54:27 PM
What happened was that he was in police custody when he was injured, an injury that led to his death. Now who would you suggest was responsible? My first thought would be the people whose custody he was in. Occam's razor.
So the fact that this idiot had been told to stay home and recuperate by his doctor, instead goes out and deals drugs, in no way puts any of the onerous of responsibility on the perp?
Money says he would not have died if not for a previous surgery.
Quote from: mdgiles on June 13, 2015, 01:02:14 PM
SO THE FUCK DID I!!!! Were you a criminal? Were ALL of the people who lived in those areas criminals.
You people sound insane. You say it's wrong to accuse any cop of bad behavior because the majority of police are good men and women; and then you turn around in the very next breath and say it's just fine to treat all minorities in the Inner Cities as criminals because a minority are. A majority of good cops makes all cops innocent; but a minority of city residents makes them all guilty. And you don't even recognize the problem with that "logic".
What in the fuck are you babbling about?
Try actually responding to what I said rather than putting words in my mouth, posting straw men and hyperbole, can you do that?
Quote from: Solar on June 13, 2015, 02:26:42 PMMoney says he would not have died if not for a previous surgery.
I heard that in the beginning, but can't find where he had surgery. I know he was sick from lead poisoning.
Quote from: Dori on June 13, 2015, 02:31:16 PM
I heard that in the beginning, but can't find where he had surgery. I know he was sick from lead poisoning.
Don't tell me that was a bogus lie? It was all over the news the following day.
If true, that would shed a different light on the incident.
I remember hearing a reporter say the M/E had stated it in prelim reports.
Quote from: mdgiles on June 13, 2015, 01:13:20 PM
The difference between you and I, is I don't think of shooting anybody and everybody as "protecting themselves". And I don't think the lives of any police officer are any more special than the lives of any other citizen. Because that's what it comes down to, a group of people who believe their lives are worth more than anyone else's.
That attitude isn't shared by everyone and you know it. The wives and the children and parents of these policemen and policewomen, black and white or any other flavor, certainly have a different opinion of the worth of these folks. You want to do their job? Think you can do it any better than they can? The majority of these folks have proven their worth by going out everyday and risking their lives. Are there some off the chain ones? Yep, there are these in every walk of life but they don't always get by, justice does prevail. When you try to do a job that does little good to straighten out the messes made by ordinary men and women and is made even worse by the people who abet them and disrespect you for trying to do good, then say whose lives are more important. God does the judging.
Thugs and criminals have too many rights. The very acts they commit that are unlawful puts them in the wrong path to think they deserve some kind of special treatment based solely on the fact that life was too hard for them or they couldn't get whatever it was they wanted without being crooked or that they suffered some kind of mental state due to the actions of others against them. Hey, we all go thru these things and it doesn't matter what color your skin is either. You don't want to know my story because it ain't none of your business. Neither is it any one else's business. I chose way back in my life to not be a sub species or a statistic and that done by realizing that I and I alone would have to answer for whatever it is that I have done in my life. When you get right down to it, what else and who else will decide how you spend eternity? We've got one chance here to do good or bad and that is something we all have to do regardless of the odds against us.
Quote from: mdgiles on June 13, 2015, 01:09:07 PM
And of course you should just stand there and gawk, when the police show up in force, to arrest a group of possibly armed drug dealers. Those dealers may not want to go to jail. I see you wouldn't mind being the innocent bystander, who gets killed. If you have lived in those neighborhoods all your life, what would be your reaction if there was the possibility of gunplay!
Your scenario does not change a thing in establishing reasonable suspicion for a stop and search. The cops had EVERY right to stop, question and search Gray once he fled upon their arrival. If he had no knife, he would have been free to go...everything in his interaction with the Baltimore PD was legal until he was placed in the van. If he was the subject of hard ride that is where the criminality began. The pursuit, detainment, search and arrest were ALL legal.
Quote from: mdgiles on June 13, 2015, 01:13:20 PM
And I don't think the lives of any police officer are any more special than the lives of any other citizen. Because that's what it comes down to, a group of people who believe their lives are worth more than anyone else's.
No, what it comes down to is a segment of society that thinks they do not have to comply with lawful stops and detainment. When you resist police acting in accordance with their lawful powers the odds of a tragic confrontation (for either party) increases dramatically. Once committed to taking you into custody, you can not expect a police officer to just walk away because you don't want to go. The more you resist, the more force the officer can employ. Intentional use of deadly force should only be utilized when there is a risk of serious bodily harm or death. Whenever it is utilized, the DA (usually via a grand jury) has the right to review the incident to see if the officer was justified.
I, personally, have never met an officer who voiced an opinion that cops lives were worth more. However, when in a violent confrontation, my life, my partner's life, and innocent citizen's lives trump the criminal's if a choice has to be made.
The Freddie Gray case did contain an element of resistance, but certainly not enough to warrant deadly force. Then again, he didn't die during apprehension, he died from injuries allegedly inflicted while in custody, which, if true, deserves punishment being meted out (after trial, of course).
Quote from: mdgiles on June 13, 2015, 01:02:14 PM
SO THE FUCK DID I!!!! Were you a criminal? Were ALL of the people who lived in those areas criminals.
You people sound insane. You say it's wrong to accuse any cop of bad behavior because the majority of police are good men and women; and then you turn around in the very next breath and say it's just fine to treat all minorities in the Inner Cities as criminals because a minority are. A majority of good cops makes all cops innocent; but a minority of city residents makes them all guilty. And you don't even recognize the problem with that "logic".
I think you buy into this "bad cops are the majority" crap. It isn't the case.
Look, you can have two neighborhoods of equal size in the same city or town.
You can ask the residents of each neighborhood how the police are, and get two completely different sets of answers. How is that possible? Same police department, two completely different answers. That's set up for the perfect scientific method.
Further, you can break down the answers by age, income, other factors, in each neighborhood and look for correlations between the answers and the factors.
I'm sure this has been done over and over.
You could also turn it around and ask how are the police treated in the various areas when they respond to the same kind of call, be it a traffic stop or a domestic. What is wrong is to take sides and immediately either pre-judge or jump to a conclusion.
Now, Sheriff Clark, he analyzed the situation completely differently. He is not a bleeding heart and he doesn't have a chip on his shoulder. Maybe the answer is to replace Loretta with Sheriff Clark. Unless, of course, things are working out just like Barack wants them to.
The whole thing is a pretty problem. On the one hand we have the humanist progressives, who daily shit on their own civil rights heroes by paying more attention to skin color than any other factor when discussing ANY of our social problems and issues. We have the executive branch of the federal government deliberately fanning the flames of racism under the age-old divide-and-conquer principal of establishing their absolute despotism. We have large populations of people of minority races buying into the humanist progressive mantra because it is far, far easier to sit around whining about how unfair it all is that to get up and do something about their situation.
Then we have the institution of law enforcement, the large majority of whom are upstanding people who are willingly and knowingly putting their butts on the line because they believe in doing their part to create a better society. But the job, due to a large number of factors, most of which come from the blind, drug induced fantasies of humanist progressives and their desire for utopian society, is becoming more and more difficult. They see thugs being let out on the street before the arresting officer can even complete the paperwork on the arrest. They see their work being demonized. And, to be fair, they also see their reputations being tarnished by a minority of individuals who do see their badge and uniforms as license to f*ck with people.
Add in other factors of government, whose central intent is to use any and all means to secure more and more power, which lead to new policies to include items such as no-knock raids which in turn lead to police killing innocents because of some screw up leads them to no-knock raid some poor dude and shoot him dead because he mistakenly tries to defend his home from illegal intrusion. Other policies, defended as being needed to keep law enforcement officers safe, lead to more quantities of more lethal armaments as a "normal" part of law enforcement. For those looking at the recent attack in TX, is ask you how many incidents were there in the last ten years which consisted of the use of full-auto firearms being used against law enforcement? Yet we see even town like Bozeman, Montana buying armored military vehicle to add to their force structure. Has anyone stopped to think that the militarization of law enforcement is a government move along the same lines of Obama race baiting every time a white officer kills a black criminal? (ie: create more tension and develop a rift between LEOs and the citizens they are there to serve.)
The bottom line here, IMO, is not entirely, or even mostly a problem of poor minorities turning to thuggish behaviors due to them falling for the anti-law rhetoric, thus exacerbating interactions with law enforcement. Nor is it entirely, or even mostly a problem of out-of-control law enforcement running around shooting everything that moves. What I see is the vast majority of the problem is stemming from an out-of-control government hierarchy which is deliberately splitting the population of citizenry into factions, which is deliberately creating policies which lead to increased crime so they can use it as an excuse to turn our law enforcement into a domestic branch of the military to be used against us under the claim that we need their protection.
In short, it ain't the thugs, though they are definitely playing their part in the mess, and need to either clean up their act or be cleaned up. It ain't the police (with a few exceptions) who are trying to do an already difficult job with factions from multiple sides screaming at them for not doing it the way each screamer thinks it aught to be done. And behind it all we have good old government, pushing this button and that button, creating more problems with each new policy, because each problem they create is one more excuse to toss away our republic in favor of more government control.