Quote from: Solar on July 25, 2021, 09:08:28 AMThe fact that they're spying on us in the first place, completely negates your claim that they weren't spying on a journalist.
You can buy their lies, but no thinking individual is buying any of it.

Again, answer the question: Why are you defending the Communist behavior of our own govt?

Whether you or I like it, the NSA does exist and it does monitor communications between the United States and foreign enemy countries. Tucker's name was mentioned in one of those communications and somebody at a position of authority in the federal government requested to have his name unmasked.

Discussing what happened in a specific situation is not the same as supporting the actions in that situation.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 25, 2021, 09:39:45 AMWhether you or I like it, the NSA does exist and it does monitor communications between the United States and foreign enemy countries. Tucker's name was mentioned in one of those communications and somebody at a position of authority in the federal government requested to have his name unmasked.

Discussing what happened in a specific situation is not the same as supporting the actions in that situation.

That was a lousy dodge. Now try again. Why are you defending an unconstitutional agency?

Quote from: Solar on July 25, 2021, 09:45:16 AMThat was a lousy dodge. Now try again. Why are you defending an unconstitutional agency?

I'm going to answer it even though my opinion has absolutely nothing to do with the situation of Tucker Carlson and the NSA..

I think Edward Snowden is a hero and should be welcomed back to the US and recognized for what he did. I don't agree with the mass data collection that goes on at the NSA and I don't trust the course to be completely responsible with allowing access to our data. However, I also realize that US government has to protect us against foreign enemies and monitoring digital communication is a useful tool to do that.

The reality is, another large scale terrorist attack would likely do significant damage to all of our rights.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 25, 2021, 10:02:24 AMI'm going to answer it even though my opinion has absolutely nothing to do with the situation of Tucker Carlson and the NSA..

I think Edward Snowden is a hero and should be welcomed back to the US and recognized for what he did. I don't agree with the mass data collection that goes on at the NSA and I don't trust the course to be completely responsible with allowing access to our data.

So now you admit what they did to Carlson was illegal. yet you continue to run block for an unconstitutional agency.

 

QuoteHowever, I also realize that US government has to protect us against foreign enemies and monitoring digital communication is a useful tool to do that.

The reality is, another large scale terrorist attack would likely do significant damage to all of our rights.

You've bought the big lie! They keep you in fear to perpetuate an invisible enemy, one they will go to war over.
This is what the Uniparty created, the fear that another terrorist attack is in the making just so they can validate stealing our Freedoms.

Is this shit sinking in yet? There is no good party, only the people!

Had the govt been serious about making the US safe, they'd have made it possible for everyone to be armed while in flight. We don't need the govts permission, that is our Individual Right, always has been!

Quote from: Solar on July 25, 2021, 10:31:58 AMSo now you admit what they did to Carlson was illegal. yet you continue to run block for an unconstitutional agency.

You can argue that mass data collection is unconstitutional and I would agree. I would also argue that every law prohibiting a free person from own a gun is unconstitutional.  Currently, neither have been ruled as unconstitutional and are also not illegal.

QuoteYou've bought the big lie! They keep you in fear to perpetuate an invisible enemy, one they will go to war over.
This is what the Uniparty created, the fear that another terrorist attack is in the making just so they can validate stealing our Freedoms.

I have a lot of proof that a significant portion of Muslims, and some Americans, are out to destroy as much of the country, and cause as much death, as possible.

QuoteIs this shit sinking in yet? There is no good party, only the people!

Had the govt been serious about making the US safe, they'd have made it possible for everyone to be armed while in flight. We don't need the govts permission, that is our Individual Right, always has been!

I agree with arming people whenever possible. I can think that and still see value in monitoring communications between the US and enemy countries.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 25, 2021, 10:47:55 AMYou can argue that mass data collection is unconstitutional and I would agree. I would also argue that every law prohibiting a free person from own a gun is unconstitutional.  Currently, neither have been ruled as unconstitutional and are also not illegal.

You just contradicted yourself.

QuoteI have a lot of proof that a significant portion of Muslims, and some Americans, are out to destroy as much of the country, and cause as much death, as possible.

Really? Compared to BLM and antifa?

QuoteI agree with arming people whenever possible. I can think that and still see value in monitoring communications between the US and enemy countries.

Both are protected under the bill of Rights, so you can't claim you support one and not the other, spying on Americans is still unconstitutional!

Wake up kid, you are one of those that will support communism lite, thinking a little freedom loss is fine if it means more security, then wonder how you wound up on a watch list.

Quote from: Solar on July 25, 2021, 10:59:42 AMYou just contradicted yourself.

My point is that

a) our opinions of what is/isn't constitutional is meaningless in the current discussion about the Federal Government targeting TC to shut his show down.

b) everyone has their line on where they want to end freedoms in the name of security. For many people on this forum, disallowing a free person, who committed a felony but has paid their debt to society, is where that line between freedom and security is drawn. When it comes to the nsa, while I do not support them collecting our data, I can see value in monitoring communication between foreign countries and the United States.  What I want is for data to be kept with the entity who owns it: Google, Microsoft, Verizon, t-mobile, etc and for the government to have evidence to get a warrant to request the data from that entity.
Really? Compared to BLM and antifa?

QuoteBoth are protected under the bill of Rights, so you can't claim you support one and not the other, spying on Americans is still unconstitutional!

See above

QuoteWake up kid, you are one of those that will support communism lite, thinking a little freedom loss is fine if it means more security, then wonder how you wound up on a watch list.

What I believe is that another large scale terrorist attack, like 9/11, will do more damage to our freedoms because people will demand security... Just as you do in regard to felons and gun rights.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 25, 2021, 11:07:46 AMMy point is that

Sadly, your point is, one of a kid with zero experience in life and clueless over what it means to lose ones Freedoms.

a

Quote) our opinions of what is/isn't constitutional is meaningless in the current discussion about the Federal Government targeting TC to shut his show down.

Wrong!!!
Spying on arbitrary citizens is Unconstitutional, show me where it is legal or STFU!

Quoteb) everyone has their line on where they want to end freedoms in the name of security.

Yeah, it's easily spelled out in the Constitution, Fuckin Read It!!!

QuoteFor many people on this forum, disallowing a free person, who committed a felony but has paid their debt to society, is where that line between freedom and security is drawn.

And there it is, the proverbial strawman!

QuoteWhen it comes to the nsa, while I do not support them collecting our data, I can see value in monitoring communication between foreign countries and the United States. 

For the same reason I can see killing commies in the US, but that too is illegal.

QuoteWhat I want is for data to be kept with the entity who owns it: Google, Microsoft, Verizon, t-mobile, etc and for the government to have evidence to get a warrant to request the data from that entity.
Really?

What I want is for them to be arrested for collecting data on the populace, that way they can't sell it to a leftist govt.

QuoteCompared to BLM and antifa?

How about you include your earlier bull shit and prove your claim, which is why antifa and BLM are more of a threat than any outside of the country entity.
Yes, these two groups have terrorized people more and far longer than any unknown threat.
As you posted earlier.

QuoteI have a lot of proof that a significant portion of Muslims, and some Americans, are out to destroy as much of the country, and cause as much death, as possible.

So show it commie!

QuoteSee above

What I believe is that another large scale terrorist attack, like 9/11, will do more damage to our freedoms because people will demand security... Just as you do in regard to felons and gun rights.

And as stated earlier, you're just one more gullible fool buying the big lie, when the real threat sits in the WH controlled by actual communists.

Quote from: Solar on July 26, 2021, 06:43:44 AMWrong!!!
Spying on arbitrary citizens is Unconstitutional, show me where it is legal or STFU!

First, there's no evidence that anyone was spying on Tucker.  His name was mentioned in communication between two other entities and his name was unmasked. 

Second, whether you agree or not, it has been determined that the NSA's actions as long as the rules are followed, is legal.

QuoteYeah, it's easily spelled out in the Constitution, Fuckin Read It!!

Again, you have your opinion of what is/isn't Constitutional and I agree that mass data collection should be ruled as unconstitutional. But, it hasn't been ruled as unconstitutional.

QuoteAnd there it is, the proverbial strawman!

It's not a strawman.  In my opinion, "shall not be infringed" is very clear wording.  You, multiple other on this forum and the courts don't agree with me, much like the courts don't agree with you and I on NSA data collection.

QuoteFor the same reason I can see killing commies in the US, but that too is illegal.

Correct.  Unlike the NSA collecting data, killing someone has actually been determined to be illegal under specific conditions.

QuoteWhat I want is for them to be arrested for collecting data on the populace, that way they can't sell it to a leftist govt.

I'd be happy with them simply being forced to stop and then arrested if they don't.  Of course, as I keep saying, this hypothetical discussion has nothing to do with the fact that there's no reason to believe Tucker was being spied on and there's no evidence that they were trying to take his show off the air.

QuoteHow about you include your earlier bull shit and prove your claim, which is why antifa and BLM are more of a threat than any outside of the country entity.
Yes, these two groups have terrorized people more and far longer than any unknown threat.
As you posted earlier.
So show it commie!

QuoteAnd as stated earlier, you're just one more gullible fool buying the big lie, when the real threat sits in the WH controlled by actual communists.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 26, 2021, 07:33:48 AMFirst, there's no evidence that anyone was spying on Tucker.  His name was mentioned in communication between two other entities and his name was unmasked. 

Bull shit, the fact that we know about it proves that's a lie!~

QuoteSecond, whether you agree or not, it has been determined that the NSA's actions as long as the rules are followed, is legal.

Yet it's unconstitutional. Your idea of legal is in fact, anti Freedom.

QuoteAgain, you have your opinion of what is/isn't Constitutional and I agree that mass data collection should be ruled as unconstitutional. But, it hasn't been ruled as unconstitutional.
It's not a strawman.  In my opinion, "shall not be infringed" is very clear wording.  You, multiple other on this forum and the courts don't agree with me, much like the courts don't agree with you and I on NSA data collection.

Follow the money! Corrupt Pols will always side with those who put them in office.
And yeah, it s a strawman!

QuoteCorrect.  Unlike the NSA collecting data, killing someone has actually been determined to be illegal under specific conditions.

Ruining ones life is just as bad, especially where politics is used.

QuoteI'd be happy with them simply being forced to stop and then arrested if they don't.  Of course, as I keep saying, this hypothetical discussion has nothing to do with the fact that there's no reason to believe Tucker was being spied on and there's no evidence that they were trying to take his show off the air.

The fact that we know it, proves he was a target! Does slow run in your family?

 

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And how long ago did these occur? You use years old BS to prove terrorists are about to attack us? All the while ignoring the truth, that the new terrorists are backed by the DNC!
Go ahead, try and deny it

Quote from: Solar on July 26, 2021, 07:58:30 AMBull shit, the fact that we know about it proves that's a lie!~

We clearly define spying differently.  If the NSA is monitoring communication between Person A and Person B, and one of those mentions Tucker Carlson, that doesn't meet my definition of spying. 

QuoteYet it's unconstitutional. Your idea of legal is in fact, anti Freedom.

As I said, yours and my opinion of Constitutionality is irrelevant to the discussion about TC.

QuoteFollow the money! Corrupt Pols will always side with those who put them in office.
And yeah, it s a strawman!
Ruining ones life is just as bad, especially where politics is used.
The fact that we know it, proves he was a target! Does slow run in your family?

 
And how long ago did these occur? You use years old BS to prove terrorists are about to attack us? All the while ignoring the truth, that the new terrorists are backed by the DNC!
Go ahead, try and deny it

Again, I'm trying to discuss the situation with TC, not overall constitutionality of any specific law or government program.  Regardless of the existence of Muslims, anti-government terrorists of any kind or other violent organizations, the situation with TC doesn't appear to be how he described it.  It doesn't appear that he was targeted, it appears that his name was mentioned in a discussion between two other people, at least one of which was being targeted.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 26, 2021, 09:07:55 AMWe clearly define spying differently.  If the NSA is monitoring communication between Person A and Person B, and one of those mentions Tucker Carlson, that doesn't meet my definition of spying. 

As I said, yours and my opinion of Constitutionality is irrelevant to the discussion about TC.
Again, I'm trying to discuss the situation with TC, not overall constitutionality of any specific law or government program.  Regardless of the existence of Muslims, anti-government terrorists of any kind or other violent organizations, the situation with TC doesn't appear to be how he described it.  It doesn't appear that he was targeted, it appears that his name was mentioned in a discussion between two other people, at least one of which was being targeted.

Wherein you're unable to make your case because it is absolutely unconstitutional!
Give it up son and pull up your pants, your Marxism is showing.

You constantly avoid what I've written in response to your BS, so you try and narrow the debate to "Opinion", an opinion you cannot support because in order to do so, you'd need to remove the Constitution.

Give it up Troll, again, you've gotten your ass kicked.

Quote from: Solar on July 26, 2021, 09:34:13 AMWherein you're unable to make your case because it is absolutely unconstitutional!
Give it up son and pull up your pants, your Marxism is showing.

I can't make my case when you don't want to discuss the actual topic.

QuoteYou constantly avoid what I've written in response to your BS, so you try and narrow the debate to "Opinion", an opinion you cannot support because in order to do so, you'd need to remove the Constitution.

Give it up Troll, again, you've gotten your ass kicked.

It is opinion. I have many opinions about what I constitutional and what isn't. Those would seem to belong in the Constitution section of the forum.

Yes, I do ignore a lot of what you write, because you generally try to take the conversation off course.

For example, what do TC's claims about the NSA have to do with antifa/blm and domestic terrorism?

My only question is are you paid for all this drivel?

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 26, 2021, 10:09:32 AMI can't make my case when you don't want to discuss the actual topic.

It is opinion. I have many opinions about what I constitutional and what isn't. Those would seem to belong in the Constitution section of the forum.

Yes, I do ignore a lot of what you write, because you generally try to take the conversation off course.

For example, what do TC's claims about the NSA have to do with antifa/blm and domestic terrorism?

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 25, 2021, 08:27:32 AMI mean, Tucker himself said that he had been emailing to set up an interview with Putin, so.....

So it was all made up then. Thanks for admitting that.