Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 09, 2011, 08:09:45 AM
If you can't back up your statement that's ok.

Your response to my comment was proof of your lack of education.
Look up the word State..

Quote from: Harry on September 09, 2011, 07:48:26 AM
When I want your worthless opinion, I'll troll for it.

:)) Pithy works!......

Quote from: bama_beau_redux on September 09, 2011, 08:50:31 AM
Don't you know that white American Christians love their children more than dirty, swarthy Muslims love theirs?  Why do you so hate America?

White American Christians do not volunteer their own children to become suicide bombers for Muslim extremists. Bathed or unbathed, it is ISLAM that hates America.

Quote from: bama_beau_redux on September 09, 2011, 08:33:57 AM
You can't say that I didn't give you several opportunities to relinquish the low ground. 

So posting facts that hurt your liberal sensibilities in your mind, is taking the low ground? :)) :)) :)) :))

Quote from: Solar on September 09, 2011, 09:36:08 AM
Your response to my comment was proof of your lack of education.
Look up the word State..

"State" isn't the problem. "Sponsored" is the problem. Which abortions are the State "sponsored" abortions?

Quote from: Solar on September 09, 2011, 10:06:16 AM
So posting facts that hurt your liberal sensibilities in your mind, is taking the low ground? :)) :)) :)) :))

Actually all you've done is post unsubstantiated theories and called people stupid or uneducated.

Quote from: quiller on September 09, 2011, 09:39:51 AM
White American Christians do not volunteer their own children to become suicide bombers for Muslim extremists. Bathed or unbathed, it is ISLAM that hates America.

Well, also, unbathed libs.

I see this has degenerated entirely into ad hominem and appeal to ridicule....

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 09, 2011, 10:23:22 AM
Actually all you've done is post unsubstantiated theories and called people stupid or uneducated.

So posting facts about the origins of Planned Parenthood in your mind is unsubstantiated theory?
And yet you wonder why I refer to you as uneducated?
Maybe that was wrong, I should stick to ignorant, you have a lot to learn...

Quote from: Solar on September 09, 2011, 10:32:19 AM
So posting facts about the origins of Planned Parenthood in your mind is unsubstantiated theory?
And yet you wonder why I refer to you as uneducated?
Maybe that was wrong, I should stick to ignorant, you have a lot to learn...

Your "facts" about Planned Parenthood's founding do not generalize to your argument, that the only reason liberals support abortion is for racist, eugenic reasons. Your argument is not logical.

And again, instead of backing up your point you use an ad hominem attack.

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 09, 2011, 10:38:42 AM
Your "facts" about Planned Parenthood's founding do not generalize to your argument, that the only reason liberals support abortion is for racist, eugenic reasons. Your argument is not logical.

And again, instead of backing up your point you use an ad hominem attack.

Tenny, I am having trouble following why you don't agree with the premise that libs are more pro-abortion, and libs are more pro-welfare for these kids.


Do we have any common ground on that premise to build from?

Quote from: taxed on September 09, 2011, 10:43:30 AM

Tenny, I am having trouble following why you don't agree with the premise that libs are more pro-abortion, and libs are more pro-welfare for these kids.


Do we have any common ground on that premise to build from?

Nobody mentioned any of that. Liberals are more often pro-choice (not the same as pro-abortion. I am pro-choice but anti-abortion) and pro-welfare, yeah. But what does that have to do with all the hyperbole gushing around here?

Also, it's poor logic to generalize people into a false dichotomy of Liberal and Conservative. Many people are a mix of both, depending on the issue.

But we can build from in general liberals are more likely to be pro-choice and pro-welfare state.

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 09, 2011, 10:46:31 AM
Nobody mentioned any of that. Liberals are more often pro-choice (not the same as pro-abortion. I am pro-choice but anti-abortion) and pro-welfare, yeah. But what does that have to do with all the hyperbole gushing around here?

Also, it's poor logic to generalize people into a false dichotomy of Liberal and Conservative. Many people are a mix of both, depending on the issue.

I understand, and I'm with you and want to explore from there, but would you agree, in general, modern liberals versus modern conservatives, that liberals are, pro-choice let's say, leading to more deaths of unborn babies, murder or not?


Would you say this same group is more prone to support government welfare?

Quote from: taxed on September 09, 2011, 10:49:10 AM

I understand, and I'm with you and want to explore from there, but would you agree, in general, modern liberals versus modern conservatives, that liberals are, pro-choice let's say, leading to more deaths of unborn babies, murder or not?

In strict terms of abortion, probably, though we can't say what would have happened if abortion was made illegal.

Quote from: taxed on September 09, 2011, 10:49:10 AM
Would you say this same group is more prone to support government welfare?

Yes.