Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 08, 2011, 08:35:01 PM
A fetus can't make any choices. The mother makes all choices for it. Just like she would until the child is 18 years old. Do you know that a parent can refuse life-saving medical care even if it kills the child? That implies that parents have the power of life and death over their children.

Does that make it right?  You see, you are approving Sanger's view of life despite stating it is irrelevant.

Quote from: Seawolf on September 08, 2011, 08:35:44 PM
Actually the Nazis got the idea of euginics form American Progressives like Sanger and was then used on th eJews.  Let me guess, you approve the Holocaust.

Nazis didn't invent baking...

Quote from: bama_beau_redux on September 08, 2011, 08:34:17 PM
We didn't.  However, we are not carrying an unwanted, unviable fetus.

And we are not God who is the Creator of all life.  There will be an accountability for our behavior.

Quote from: Seawolf on September 08, 2011, 08:36:48 PM
Does that make it right?  You see, you are approving Sanger's view of life despite stating it is irrelevant.

Guilt by association fallacy.

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 08, 2011, 08:31:36 PM
Could you be more specific? Would you like to counter what I said?

So far you haven't said anything intelligent, and thats not meant as a slam, merely an observation.
But you did say you wanted to learn, so allow me to present some facts on Planned Parenthood.

You may want to read these before you post any further.

Quotehttp://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm
On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born."  Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people On sterilization & racial purification:
Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.
On the right of married couples to bear children:
Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932
On the purpose of birth control:
The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)
On the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities:
"More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12

Quotehttp://www.citizenreviewonline.org/special_issues/population/the_negro_project.htm

The Negro Project
Margaret Sanger's Eugenic Plan for Black Americans
By Tanya L. Green
posted at Concerned Women of America

Quote from: bama_beau_redux on September 08, 2011, 08:37:04 PM
Thankfully, you lost me with this one.

Well, that is what happens to the historically illiterate.

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 08, 2011, 08:37:57 PM
Guilt by association fallacy.

Nah, your denial does not dilute the facts.

Quote from: taxed on September 08, 2011, 08:36:55 PM
Nazis didn't invent baking...

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Quote from: Solar on September 08, 2011, 08:38:12 PM
So far you haven't said anything intelligent, and thats not meant as a slam, merely an observation.
But you did say you wanted to learn, so allow me to present some facts on Planned Parenthood.

You may want to read these before you post any further.

Why are you telling me about Planned Parenthood? If it disappeared we would still have abortion. We had abortion before Planned Parenthood. What exactly is the point of even bringing this up? Does it have some bearing on the legality of abortion?

I am sick of the argument that an abortion is a woman's right because it is her body.  IMO she gives up that right when she is stupid or careless regarding her own birth control.  Suck it up and see it through -you don't want to "mess" up your life having to raise a child then there are plenty of people more than willing to raise that baby as their own.  I have had a couple of friends who had abortions encouraged by PP.  One of them to this day, almost 25 years later,  still lives with the regret.   

As to the other point that the man has no say because it is her body...don't agree there either.  The man should have the right to say he wants the child.   All she has to do is suck up the nine months and hand it over if it is so damn inconvenient for her to deal with.

Some women are just not meant to be mothers.  Get fixed and be done with it.  Abortion is not birth control it is murder.  Again just my opinion...as a woman.

Because you have such a shallow view of life I did not expect the truth of Sanger to alter your perverted view one iota.  You have no concept of life and seem ok, despite trying to lay a guilt trip on me with taking the life of our most innocent. 

Quote from: Seawolf on September 08, 2011, 08:38:55 PM
Nah, your denial does not dilute the facts.

Your facts are irrelevant to the discussion. Even if you manage to discredit PP it means nothing. Abortion would still be legal. There would still be abortions.

Quote from: Seawolf on September 08, 2011, 08:41:15 PM
Because you have such a shallow view of life I did not expect the truth of Sanger to alter your perverted view one iota.  You have no concept of life and seem ok, despite trying to lay a guilt trip on me with taking the life of our most innocent.

What exactly are you supposed to feel guilty about? And I have a very distinct concept of life, thanks.

Quote from: Solars Toy on September 08, 2011, 08:40:15 PM
...Some women are just not meant to be mothers.  Get fixed and be done with it.  Abortion is not birth control it is murder.  Again just my opinion...as a woman.

Spot on!  If you want to have unprotected sex, then do us all a favor and get fixed.  Your callous disregard is not the fault of the child.

Quote from: Seawolf on September 08, 2011, 08:43:38 PM
Spot on!  If you want to have unprotected sex, then do us all a favor and get fixed.  Your callous disregard is not the fault of the child.

Oh now you want people sterilized. You know who pushed that, don't you? Margaret Sanger!