Quote from: Solar on September 08, 2011, 06:33:47 PM
And the obverse of that coin?
This is the point I've been trying to get across throughout this entire thread.

Why does she have all the rights and the man gets none?

Because the fetus is within HER body.

Quote from: bama_beau_redux on September 08, 2011, 07:47:15 PM
You make toothpicks your way, and I'll make them mine.

From your unwillingness to answer, I can surmise that you know I'm right.

Quote from: Solar on September 08, 2011, 07:03:21 PM

Why are you libs so callous towards life?

Everybody is callous towards some kind of life or other. People pick their cares.

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 08, 2011, 07:51:12 PM
Everybody is callous towards some kind of life or other. People pick their cares.

Really? And you base this on?

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 08, 2011, 07:49:09 PM
Because the fetus is within HER body.

And God creates life.  Funny, we will prosecute anyone that destroys the egg of a Bald Eagle and yet abort our own children.  Good ole eugenics is a live and well!

Quote from: Seawolf on September 08, 2011, 07:52:58 PM
And God creates life.  Funny, we will prosecute anyone that destroys the egg of a Bald Eagle and yet abort our own children.  Good ole eugenics is a live and well!

Abortion isn't eugenics. That is just silly.

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 08, 2011, 07:54:03 PM
Abortion isn't eugenics. That is just silly.

Absolute BULLSHIT.  The problem is the idiots who fell for Margarette Sangers intent for PP.  You might want to read her own words as to why she was a proponent of abortions and her reasoning for starting PP.  The ignorance of our society when it comes to history is simply amazing to witness.

Quote from: Solar on September 08, 2011, 07:52:57 PM
Really? And you base this on?

The fact that you don't care whether 200 year old trees are killed to make tables or if cows are slaughtered in driveways. Quiller cares for the millions of aborted fetuses but not for children who wind up as collateral damage in wartime.

Everybody picks which life they consider fair game.

Quote from: Seawolf on September 08, 2011, 07:56:25 PM
Absolute BULLSHIT.  The problem is the idiots who fell for Margarette Sangers intent for PP.  You might want to read her own words as to why she was a proponent of abortions and her reasoning for starting PP.  The ignorance of our society when it comes to history is simply amazing to witness.

Eugenics used abortion (kind of), but abortion isn't eugenics.

Quote from: bama_beau_redux on September 08, 2011, 07:56:26 PM
See, you just did it too.  Is it that you realize that your argument is absurd, so you take it to absurdity yourself?

Life is life.  A fetus IS life and thus you kill it when you abort it.  Only fools see it differently.  We weep over the loss of species and their young and throw our children away as if they were nothing more then garbage.

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 08, 2011, 07:57:26 PM
Eugenics used abortion (kind of), but abortion isn't eugenics.

Again, BULLSHIT.  Read Sangers own words.  Heck, I'll just post them for you ratehr then watch you ignore my request.

On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people
On sterilization & racial purification:
Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech. On the right of married couples to bear children:
Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932 On the purpose of birth control:
The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2) On the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities:
"More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12

On religious convictions regarding sex outside of marriage:
"This book aims to answer the needs expressed in thousands on thousands of letters to me in the solution of marriage problems... Knowledge of sex truths frankly and plainly presented cannot possibly injure healthy, normal, young minds. Concealment, suppression, futile attempts to veil the unveilable - these work injury, as they seldom succeed and only render those who indulge in them ridiculous. For myself, I have full confidence in the cleanliness, the open-mindedness, the promise of the younger generation." Margaret Sanger, Happiness in Marriage (Bretano's, New York, 1927)

On the extermination of blacks:
"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon On respecting the rights of the mentally ill:
In her "Plan for Peace," Sanger outlined her strategy for eradication of those she deemed "feebleminded." Among the steps included in her evil scheme were immigration restrictions; compulsory sterilization; segregation to a lifetime of farm work; etc. Birth Control Review, April 1932, p. 107 On adultery:
A woman's physical satisfaction was more important than any marriage vow, Sanger believed. Birth Control in America, p. 11 On marital sex:
"The marriage bed is the most degenerating influence in the social order," Sanger said. (p. 23) [Quite the opposite of God's view on the matter: "Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled; but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge." (Hebrews 13:4)

On abortion:
"Criminal' abortions arise from a perverted sex relationship under the stress of economic necessity, and their greatest frequency is among married women." The Woman Rebel - No Gods, No Masters, May 1914, Vol. 1, No. 3.
http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm

Quote from: Seawolf on September 08, 2011, 07:59:26 PM
Again, BULLSHIT.  Read Sangers own words.  Heck, I'll just post them for you ratehr then watch you ignore my request.

On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people
On sterilization & racial purification:
Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech. On the right of married couples to bear children:
Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932 On the purpose of birth control:
The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2) On the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities:
"More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12

On religious convictions regarding sex outside of marriage:
"This book aims to answer the needs expressed in thousands on thousands of letters to me in the solution of marriage problems... Knowledge of sex truths frankly and plainly presented cannot possibly injure healthy, normal, young minds. Concealment, suppression, futile attempts to veil the unveilable - these work injury, as they seldom succeed and only render those who indulge in them ridiculous. For myself, I have full confidence in the cleanliness, the open-mindedness, the promise of the younger generation." Margaret Sanger, Happiness in Marriage (Bretano's, New York, 1927)

On the extermination of blacks:
"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon On respecting the rights of the mentally ill:
In her "Plan for Peace," Sanger outlined her strategy for eradication of those she deemed "feebleminded." Among the steps included in her evil scheme were immigration restrictions; compulsory sterilization; segregation to a lifetime of farm work; etc. Birth Control Review, April 1932, p. 107 On adultery:
A woman's physical satisfaction was more important than any marriage vow, Sanger believed. Birth Control in America, p. 11 On marital sex:
"The marriage bed is the most degenerating influence in the social order," Sanger said. (p. 23) [Quite the opposite of God's view on the matter: "Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled; but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge." (Hebrews 13:4)

On abortion:
"Criminal' abortions arise from a perverted sex relationship under the stress of economic necessity, and their greatest frequency is among married women." The Woman Rebel - No Gods, No Masters, May 1914, Vol. 1, No. 3.
http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm

Completely irrelevant.

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 08, 2011, 08:00:39 PM
Completely irrelevant.

Why would I expect anything different from someone who holds no value to life.  You can deny it all you want but the facts override your denial.  I find it intriguing how infatuated libs are with eugenics,

Quote from: Seawolf on September 08, 2011, 08:04:12 PM
Why would I expect anything different from someone who holds no value to life.  You can deny it all you want but the facts override your denial.

Margaret Sanger's opinion on abortion is meaningless. I can come to my own conclusion on the subject, thank you very much.

As to your final comment added afterwards, I won't dignify it with a response.

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 08, 2011, 07:54:03 PM
Abortion isn't eugenics. That is just silly.

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I can't believe you just said that.
Learn some history.