Quote from: Solar on September 07, 2011, 05:03:02 PM
What about usurping his rights?

Which right is that?

Quote from: Jollity farm... on September 07, 2011, 05:03:24 PM
Which is  a fancy way of saying The Constitution protects the women's right to abortion. What clause does this violate?

There is no "Right TO" anything. There is only protection FROM. SCOTUS made the decision that the woman's right to choose an abortion is protected from lawmakers.

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 07, 2011, 05:03:46 PM
Which right is that?

Thats the point, the woman usurps my right to protect life because it's inconvenient.
So much for equal under the law...

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 07, 2011, 04:55:31 PM
Hey, let's talk about popsicles if we are allowed to just change the words around.

Human beings aren't popsicles. Nor are they undifferentiated masses of tissue. You missed your century. In the antebellum South, you would have been talking about how slavery was really "good" for blacks. Or in Nazi Germany, talking about the "right" of the German people to be free of the "Jewish menace". You sound like you'd be good at justifying the unjustifiable

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 07, 2011, 05:04:49 PM
There is no "Right TO" anything. There is only protection FROM. SCOTUS made the decision that the woman's right to choose an abortion is protected from lawmakers.

Okay. I can play funny buggers too. According the SCOTUS the Constitution guarantees a woman's access to abortion. Show me where this guarantee is located based on the ruling. And considering i have no guarantees I have asked you to show me what clause this violates...

Quote from: Jollity farm... on September 07, 2011, 05:11:45 PM
Okay. I can play funny buggers too. According the SCOTUS the Constitution guarantees a woman's access to abortion. Show me where this guarantee is located based on the ruling.

It's not location based.

Quote from: Jollity farm... on September 07, 2011, 05:11:45 PM
And considering i have no guarantees I have asked you to show me what clause this violates...

I have no idea what you are talking about. What is "this?"

Quote from: Solar on September 07, 2011, 05:10:06 PM
Thats the point, the woman usurps my right to protect life because it's inconvenient.
So much for equal under the law...

You have no right to protect life in general. Only your own.

Quote from: mdgiles on September 07, 2011, 05:11:33 PM
Human beings aren't popsicles. Nor are they undifferentiated masses of tissue. You missed your century. In the antebellum South, you would have been talking about how slavery was really "good" for blacks. Or in Nazi Germany, talking about the "right" of the German people to be free of the "Jewish menace". You sound like you'd be good at justifying the unjustifiable

Nobody's talking about human beings being property here, buddy. Go sell that nonsense somewhere else.

On the contrary, I am good at pointing out what is justified while considered unjustified, and what is unjustified while considered justified. There is no justification for slavery or the Nazi final solution.

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 07, 2011, 05:00:07 PM
Babies, sure. A fetus cannot express it's will upon the world. It therefore is a part of the mother. IMO. We crush life everywhere and everyday. Life itself isn't special, IMO.

Well, if you don't appreciate life, then we may be too far apart....   I am pretty extreme on the life side in terms of justice...

Quote from: taxed on September 07, 2011, 05:18:01 PM

Well, if you don't appreciate life, then we may be too far apart....   I am pretty extreme on the life side in terms of justice...

Life is all around us. It's everywhere. I appreciate life.

Justice, though... is a much more difficult concept.

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 07, 2011, 05:14:40 PM
It's not location based.

False. the SCOTUS used specific parts of the Constitution. Show with specifics.

QuoteI have no idea what you are talking about. What is "this?"

if a Federal law based on a Constitutional right or guarantee does not cover everyone something  has been violated. Tell me what this is...

Quote from: Jollity farm... on September 07, 2011, 05:20:07 PM
False. the SCOTUS used specific parts of the Constitution. Show with specifics.

Why are you asking me? You could google it. This does not further the debate at all. Only distracts.

Quote from: Jollity farm... on September 07, 2011, 05:20:07 PM
if a Federal law based on a Constitutional right or guarantee does not cover everyone something  has been violated. Tell me what this is...

Who doesn't this ruling cover? There is no LAW here. The LAW was overturned by SCOTUS.

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 07, 2011, 05:15:15 PM
You have no right to protect life in general. Only your own.

Right?
Try again, you have an obligation as a human being to protect life.
If you saw someones life being threatened, are you saying you don't have an obligation to prevent his murder?

Quote from: Solar on September 07, 2011, 05:27:44 PM
Right?
Try again, you have an obligation as a human being to protect life.

I'm not sure where you derive that. We kill people all the time. We kill animals all the time. We kill plants all the time.

Quote from: Solar on September 07, 2011, 05:27:44 PM
If you saw someones life being threatened, are you saying you don't have an obligation to prevent his murder?

Before I answer this question I want you to tell me whether this is an absolute. Are we obligated to prevent any threat to human life?


I'm not sure where you derive that.

Quote from: Tennenbaum on September 07, 2011, 05:21:32 PM
Why are you asking me? You could google it. This does not further the debate at all. Only distracts.

I am asking you because you are involved in a thread that is discussing the Constitutional right of Abortion. You have said the constitution has nothing to do with it, Then you said there is no right yet when faced the fact that the SCOTUS ruled based on the Constitution and cited specific sections of the Constitution you suddenly say "Why ask me?"

QuoteWho doesn't this ruling cover? There is no LAW here. The LAW was overturned by SCOTUS.

If there is no law then what guarantees an abortion? THE CONSTITUTION. The Law gives women a right or a guaranteed access to abortion. Now ALL laws based on the Constitution have to protect EVERYBODY. yet men cannot have abortions and no other medical procedure is protected by the Constitution. That violates the EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE.