Quote from: joesixpack on June 16, 2020, 02:01:23 PM
The US was racist as hell, to be honest. I'm glad everyone is waking up to it.

Not really. Only the dems were ever really racist and always have been. In america it was usually better than most other white nations on earth to be a non white.

Quote from: Castle_Bravo on June 16, 2020, 02:05:09 PM
Yes, I agree with you and Solar that the naming of these bases was rooted in racism. I just don't agree with Solar that it should remain untouched as some kind of testament to or proof of that racism.

But only the racists want to remove the reminder of dem racism. That way they can keep being racist.

Quote from: T Hunt on June 16, 2020, 02:15:19 PM
Wrong. They were put up to remind us of the dimocrats racist history. We need them up so everyone remembers the dems are still racist today and now switch ever happened between the parties.

There don't have to be Hitler statues up for us to remember he was racist. Take them down. Let's move to a better more inclusive future.

Quote from: Castle_Bravo on June 16, 2020, 02:11:45 PM
Ok. I am perhaps unclear then about which of your posts is representative. Here you agreed that the naming of the bases was rooted in racism:

Then I suggest  you try reading slower.

Quote from: joesixpack on June 16, 2020, 02:21:07 PM
There don't have to be Hitler statues up for us to remember he was racist. Take them down. Let's move to a better more inclusive future.

Are you in favor of removing statues of Thomas Jefferson?

Quote from: Possum on June 16, 2020, 05:23:12 PM
Are you in favor of removing statues of Thomas Jefferson?

He didn't secede or wage war against the U.S. so his statues can stay up. And this only applies to government/public places. You can have whatever statue you want in your backyard.

Quote from: joesixpack on June 16, 2020, 05:40:45 PM
He didn't secede or wage war against the U.S. so his statues can stay up. And this only applies to government/public places. You can have whatever statue you want in your backyard.

Just wondering, he owned slaves too.

Quote from: joesixpack on June 16, 2020, 02:21:07 PM
There don't have to be Hitler statues up for us to remember he was racist. Take them down. Let's move to a better more inclusive future.

Yes there are no Hitler statues remaining in Germany or anywhere else that I know of. However, there are plenty of reminders across many countries of the atrocities that took place during World War II. Let me ask you this, are you in favor of taking down these monuments?

Alderney.         Guernsey
Amersfort.       Netherlar
Auschwitz.         Poland
Arbeitsdorf.        Germany

Don't you believe in the people's right to know? You cannot erase the history of the world in order for snowflakes not to melt. As horrific as the past might be we need to remember it so that we don't repeat it.

This is a free country in case you've forgotten. One man's trash is another man's treasure and one man's Heroes may be another man's monsters.

Good or bad you can't change history you need to embrace it, it is what it is.

This whole renaming controversy is nothing more than distraction that too many republicans have joined in on. I have spent my entire life in the south and until this became an issue I never knew or thought about who the installations were named after. Why? Because it did not matter. There are many service people, of different races, who have served at these installations. Most are proud to proclaim, "I served at Ft. ----. That should not be taken away from them.-".

Hey Joe, why is it the DNC isn't targeting actual communist dictators?

Did you know that there is a bust of former Soviet dictator Josef Stalin in Bedford, Virginia? The bust is part of a dedication
to the D-Day Landings that happened on the coast of France on June 6, 1944. Since this memorial is dedicated to the men and leaders who planned the D-Day invasion against the Nazis, then why is Stalin's statue there? He did not plan or have anything to do with the D-Day attack. If anything, he was one of the architects along with Adolf Hitler in starting the war in Europe in 1939. Plus, Stalin is guilty of murdering 20-25 million Russians (not including 7 million Ukrainians) during his rule. Why on earth are we honoring this monster?

Did you also know that there are three statues to Lenin in the United States? There is one in Atlantic City, New Jersey; New York City, and Seattle, Washington state.

http://www.lawndalenews.com/2017/06/communist-statues-in-the-usa/

Quote from: Dirtbomb on June 17, 2020, 05:50:56 AM
Yes there are no Hitler statues remaining in Germany or anywhere else that I know of. However, there are plenty of reminders across many countries of the atrocities that took place during World War II. Let me ask you this, are you in favor of taking down these monuments?

Alderney.         Guernsey
Amersfort.       Netherlar
Auschwitz.         Poland
Arbeitsdorf.        Germany

Don't you believe in the people's right to know? You cannot erase the history of the world in order for snowflakes not to melt. As horrific as the past might be we need to remember it so that we don't repeat it.

This is a free country in case you've forgotten. One man's trash is another man's treasure and one man's Heroes may be another man's monsters.

Good or bad you can't change history you need to embrace it, it is what it is.

The sites you mentioned weren't built after the fact to honor Nazis. They're historical sites. We didn't bulldoze over Gettysburg or Fort Sumter

Quote from: Solar on June 17, 2020, 06:10:57 AM
Hey Joe, why is it the DNC isn't targeting actual communist dictators?

Did you know that there is a bust of former Soviet dictator Josef Stalin in Bedford, Virginia? The bust is part of a dedication
to the D-Day Landings that happened on the coast of France on June 6, 1944. Since this memorial is dedicated to the men and leaders who planned the D-Day invasion against the Nazis, then why is Stalin's statue there? He did not plan or have anything to do with the D-Day attack. If anything, he was one of the architects along with Adolf Hitler in starting the war in Europe in 1939. Plus, Stalin is guilty of murdering 20-25 million Russians (not including 7 million Ukrainians) during his rule. Why on earth are we honoring this monster?

Did you also know that there are three statues to Lenin in the United States? There is one in Atlantic City, New Jersey; New York City, and Seattle, Washington state.

http://www.lawndalenews.com/2017/06/communist-statues-in-the-usa/

Stalin pushed for it and they were our allies in the war, not our rivals like the Confederacy.

https://www.britannica.com/event/Normandy-Invasion#ref118250

I wouldn't be upset if the GOP, in line with their hard stance on communism, tried to get those taken down. It's a discussion to be had.

Quote from: joesixpack on June 17, 2020, 07:08:53 AM
The sites you mentioned weren't built after the fact to honor Nazis. They're historical sites. We didn't bulldoze over Gettysburg or Fort Sumter

Why are you avoiding the question? Are you for removing them or not?

Quote from: Dirtbomb on June 17, 2020, 07:57:08 AM
Why are you avoiding the question? Are you for removing them or not?

No, I'm not. Just like I'm not for the removal of Gettysburg or Fort Sumter. Those are historical sites, not monuments built after the fact to honor the enemy.

This is history.   And most people don't recognize the names anyway.   Leave these things alone. If you want to screw it up in the north...go right ahead..but leave the south alone.