Interesting what they're doing here, attempting to use our 1st Amendment rights to usurp copyright laws.
Maybe we should start a religion that usurps liberals 1st Amendment right as an assault on sanity.
Yeah, that'll work as well as this crap.

A Swedish religion whose dogma centers on the belief that people should be free to copy and distribute all information—regardless of any copyright or trademarks—has made its way to the United States.

Followers of so-called "Kopimism" believe copying, sharing, and improving on knowledge, music, and other types of information is only human—the Romans remixed Greek mythology, after all, they say. In January, Kopimism—a play on the words "copy me"—was formally recognized by a Swedish government agency, raising its profile worldwide.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/04/20/kopimism-swedens-pirate-religion-begins-to-plunder-america

Probably many of these people use OpenOffice.org instead of Microsoft Word, and any number of other freeware programs.

You get what you paid for. Just don't mind the hidden code within which turns your PC into a porn-distribution "bot," or saddles you with a new home page you can't get rid of short of a total disk-wipe.

I just find the humor in a group of cheapskates creating a religion for the sole purpose of legalizing theft, it's an interesting study in human behavior...
Only a bunch of socialists would see the benefit in this sort of thing.

It won't be long before a group will create the religion of Bestiary, claiming they worship imaginary animals and pay homage to their god through sex with animals.

I created Zen Druidism, which worships trees which are not there. Funny how so many people can't grasp that one... (*shrugs*)

Quote from: quiller on April 21, 2012, 02:15:22 PM
I created Zen Druidism, which worships trees which are not there. Funny how so many people can't grasp that one... (*shrugs*)

LOL I got it.
Much like my Bestiary analogy, that too is worshiping things that don't exist.

I fail to see how the First Amendment permits intellectual theft.  In other words, I can certainly sing a song all I want and am permitted by the First Amendment to do so.  But copying a recording and distributing it is not "my speech."  It's pretty pathetic how far people will go to justify their immoral activities.  Basically, this is just a bunch of cheapskate Eurotrash ideology.  Interestingly, nothing worth stealing has ever come out of Sweden.  What a surprise.

Quote from: quiller on April 21, 2012, 08:57:13 AM
Probably many of these people use OpenOffice.org instead of Microsoft Word, and any number of other freeware programs.

You get what you paid for. Just don't mind the hidden code within which turns your PC into a porn-distribution "bot," or saddles you with a new home page you can't get rid of short of a total disk-wipe.

I've used it for years.  Never had that problem.

OpenOffice is an established program that (to my knowledge) doesn't have any issues.  I think the point is that a lot of people who participate in this type of intellectual theft go to sites that are highly questionable and get their stuff from obscure Russian programmers and then cry about how they became "victims" of identity theft after a key-logger was surreptitiously installed on their computer.  Cry us a river.

Also, where is this "hidden code"?  It's open source....

Quote from: C-B-M on April 21, 2012, 03:03:04 PM
OpenOffice is an established program that (to my knowledge) doesn't have any issues.  I think the point is that a lot of people who participate in this type of intellectual theft go to sites that are highly questionable and get their stuff from obscure Russian programmers and then cry about how they became "victims" of identity theft after a key-logger was surreptitiously installed on their computer.  Cry us a river.

My point above, yes. You tell a writer who's spent ten years on a book (or multi-volume set of books) that they can't profit from their own labor. Just TRY it.

Quote from: taxed on April 21, 2012, 03:50:39 PM
Also, where is this "hidden code"?  It's open source....

I meant it as a fairly well-known free program, to try to illustrate the larger point better-expressed above. Malware is often applied within free stuff. Several European-based gangs (Russians mostly, but not all) do create bot-nets with such tricks.

Oooo. Shiny....... Bang. Reformat hard drive, it's easier than trying to find something which refuses to be removed.

Quote from: Solar on April 21, 2012, 02:21:51 PM
LOL I got it.
Much like my Bestiary analogy, that too is worshiping things that don't exist.

Tell that to the animals from the, ah, prayer groups.

Quote from: quiller on April 21, 2012, 08:54:38 PM
I meant it as a fairly well-known free program, to try to illustrate the larger point better-expressed above. Malware is often applied within free stuff. Several European-based gangs (Russians mostly, but not all) do create bot-nets with such tricks.

Oooo. Shiny....... Bang. Reformat hard drive, it's easier than trying to find something which refuses to be removed.

Not so much with the open source community.  For projects like LibreOffice (forked from OpenOffice), Drupal, and so on, are pretty selective with contributors and who can do commits.  It would be pretty difficult to compromise an open source project.

Again, I think the person was referring to other, shadier programs.  For example, if I needed to get ahold of Photoshop or a "real" copy of Windows or something like that, I could go to certain sources and get it.

Quote from: Solar on April 21, 2012, 08:01:46 AM
Interesting what they're doing here, attempting to use our 1st Amendment rights to usurp copyright laws.
Maybe we should start a religion that usurps liberals 1st Amendment right as an assault on sanity.
Yeah, that'll work as well as this crap.

A Swedish religion whose dogma centers on the belief that people should be free to copy and distribute all information—regardless of any copyright or trademarks—has made its way to the United States.

Followers of so-called "Kopimism" believe copying, sharing, and improving on knowledge, music, and other types of information is only human—the Romans remixed Greek mythology, after all, they say. In January, Kopimism—a play on the words "copy me"—was formally recognized by a Swedish government agency, raising its profile worldwide.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/04/20/kopimism-swedens-pirate-religion-begins-to-plunder-america

Wait until the start making copies of Windows 7, or Disney videos, or any thing from Warner Music Group and they will find out just how "conservative" some of our most rich and most powerful "Liberals" in the U.S. can really be!



-Dr Watt