Fuck Unions. They were mafia assholes way before all this mess so this just confirms it. Fuck 'em!

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on January 30, 2021, 09:44:39 AM
Fuck Unions. They were mafia assholes way before all this mess so this just confirms it. Fuck 'em!

You mentioning that made me realize how similar the D-voting public is to union members who cling to their 'brotherhood' belief. Both are getting screwed by the very same they believe is the source for their light at the end of their tunnel.

Quote from: WMK on January 30, 2021, 11:54:34 AM
You mentioning that made me realize how similar the D-voting public is to union members who cling to their 'brotherhood' belief. Both are getting screwed by the very same they believe is the source for their light at the end of their tunnel.

Unions and mafia's have a lot in common.  It's money and power.  The more money the more power.  Per capita dues fund the machine.  That formula has been slowly changing.  Per capita dues are still there, part of having the job.  But I can tell you, over half and I would say a good majority know the game.  Remember, no one knows how you vote, and most are not voting dem anymore.  A working man can take a look at where his money is going.  The unions have promised shit for years, if you just vote for the dem.

On the contrary, the democraps can fool the black vote since they promise them free everything.  Unions are only promised a job, which usually doesn't happen.  That is how President Trump can get the support he gets from organized labor, he talks their talk, he knows them.

Union members hate illegal immigration, it drives down wages.  I could go to Home Depot in my truck in the morning and I'd be swarmed with illegals looking for work at $5 an hour cash.  A union laborer would cost me at least 6 times that plus all the overhead.

The unions then decided to come up with different classifications to get cheap labor on the job.  This is not popular.  Union guys know this is going on and they're pissed, believe me.

You guys remember Gray Davis?  He was the governor of CA for a while and was recalled for being corrupt.  Well he was, I know that to be a fact.  You needed to grease the palm, as it were.  He got caught, but the union leadership fought for him to the bitter end. 

Construction is quite the racket.  I know a business agent for the Blacksmith and Boilermakers union that wears a snub nose 38 on his ankle, big Italian guy, he's the guy that goes out on the job if there's a "problem".  Rank and file members are not stupid, they know the GOP is their real bread and butter, but they would never say that.  Everyone plays the game.

President Trump knows this world also.  He had to travel in it.  There are a few places in the United States where you go union of you don't want trouble.  All the big union contractors know this.  Many of these big guys are "no bid" contractors.  How many of you knew that?  These contractors get called to build a project without bidding.  They call these "drive by bids".  Many don't want the extra work, but it's the game, so you throw out an outrageous number and sign the contract.  Especially govt. contracts.

Like they say, "it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye".

Quote from: ldub23 on January 30, 2021, 08:53:13 AM
What state  is that?

Louisiana. Lot of oil field land and off shore. 

On the "inside", national Labor Unions convince American workers "they're worth more" and drive up wages -- so antagonizing American businesses who must pay the higher rates

(How did you your own self feel the last time Walmart raised the price of your favorite food or drink or other product?)

Then, on the "outside", foreign countries offer a "solution to the problem" -- cheaper labor at home (immigration) and business-friendlier "free" trade zones abroad (outsourcing)

The "one-two" has all the effects of successful witting intentional planned & panned sabotage & economic warfare waged against the USA

Quote from: Pop Daddy on January 30, 2021, 05:11:32 PM
Unions and mafia's have a lot in common.  It's money and power.  The more money the more power.  Per capita dues fund the machine.  That formula has been slowly changing.  Per capita dues are still there, part of having the job.  But I can tell you, over half and I would say a good majority know the game.  Remember, no one knows how you vote, and most are not voting dem anymore.  A working man can take a look at where his money is going.  The unions have promised shit for years, if you just vote for the dem.

On the contrary, the democraps can fool the black vote since they promise them free everything.  Unions are only promised a job, which usually doesn't happen.  That is how President Trump can get the support he gets from organized labor, he talks their talk, he knows them.

Union members hate illegal immigration, it drives down wages.  I could go to Home Depot in my truck in the morning and I'd be swarmed with illegals looking for work at $5 an hour cash.  A union laborer would cost me at least 6 times that plus all the overhead.

The unions then decided to come up with different classifications to get cheap labor on the job.  This is not popular.  Union guys know this is going on and they're pissed, believe me.

You guys remember Gray Davis?  He was the governor of CA for a while and was recalled for being corrupt.  Well he was, I know that to be a fact.  You needed to grease the palm, as it were.  He got caught, but the union leadership fought for him to the bitter end. 

Construction is quite the racket.  I know a business agent for the Blacksmith and Boilermakers union that wears a snub nose 38 on his ankle, big Italian guy, he's the guy that goes out on the job if there's a "problem".  Rank and file members are not stupid, they know the GOP is their real bread and butter, but they would never say that.  Everyone plays the game.

President Trump knows this world also.  He had to travel in it.  There are a few places in the United States where you go union of you don't want trouble.  All the big union contractors know this.  Many of these big guys are "no bid" contractors.  How many of you knew that?  These contractors get called to build a project without bidding.  They call these "drive by bids".  Many don't want the extra work, but it's the game, so you throw out an outrageous number and sign the contract.  Especially govt. contracts.

Like they say, "it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye".

I retired from a career in law enforcement in New York State.  If one wants to be a cop in New York State (or any of the civil service state's who do not have right to work laws) then one is compelled to join the union.  Very few people like their union; they simply are compelled to play ball with them since they are the only game in town.  Union officials are paid employees of the union; not union members.   Many of them use their resume's to work for Personnel Departments of various government agencies and go back and forth between working for the state or local governments and/or working in some highly paid position for the union. Many of these people in New York State are graduates of the Cornell University college of Industrial Labor Relations.  That degree gives them all the credentials they need to jump onto the revolving door between the state government and the labor unions.  Cops who want to be allowed to do their job are no different than construction workers or any other unionized occupations. They are powerless to do anything about the status quo, which is the corrupt relationship between the politicians and then unions who the state compels them to belong to.

 

Yep, a big disconnect between the dues payers and the dues spenders.  San Fransicko used to be like New York, very union town where you just don't go in there and work unless you use union labor.  OK, fine, you adjust your bid.  But over the years most of the local labor pool is too drug addled to show up for work, plus due to rent control and high wages these bums only need to work a couple weeks a month, go on unemployment the other two weeks and they're set.  And you don't dare fire anyone for any reason or you get tied up in litigation for years.  So you lay them off, they reopen their unemployment claim and the cycle continues.

Due to the local labor being mostly lazy bums, to get things done on time, the city has relaxed it's strangle hold and more and more non union contractors are working there.  Of course there are protests, rent a mobs march down the street causing hell in front of the job site.  Ever wonder why the rebuild on the Nimitz Freeway after the last big earthquake was the most expensive highway per mile?  There's your answer.  Contracts said you had to hire the neighborhood thugs first and pay them prevailing wage.  The contractors set up "rooms" where these guys would sit around and stay out of the way so the travelers could do the work.

Now, the only good thing is Joke and his whore are stabbing these guys in the back.  That's a big source of money and some votes, mostly money.  Word gets around.  Those guys on the pipeline are pissed.  An extra $300 a week on unemployment isn't shit compared to what these guys make.  These pipeline runners are making a ton of money on overtime, unemployment doesn't pay overtime.  Hopefully this is the final straw that breaks the camels back and the marxist lose another group they have had on their plantation.

Between American workers listening to their "international brothers" abroad overseas telling them they deserve higher wages...

and American businesses listening to their "foreign partners" abroad overseas promising them the greater profits they, too, deserve...

Detroit, once a Presidential show-piece shown to foreign visitors to impress with the might of American industry, has been -- for all practical military purposes, in effect, de facto, "Dresden'ed"

If Soviet Bear bombers had made it over the pole and through Canada, then Detroit would look as it does, in fact, now, look

Hoorah workers of the world (and business persons) united -- must be nice to have so many foreign friends looking out for one's interests