Quote from: Solar on September 02, 2011, 12:05:39 PM
Nope, we tweaked everything in the lab.

Ah, ok. Same thing I do with digital.

Quote from: Harry on September 02, 2011, 12:05:21 PM

Thanks for the link, but that doesn't tell me how it relates to my statement that the market will always choose the most efficient.

Did you watch it?

Quote from: Steve Zissou on September 02, 2011, 11:31:52 AM
LED lightbulbs do not contain hazardous waste. They are currently more expensive, yes. The market will fix that, economies of scale and all that. They are not as fragile, and are far longer lived and much brighter.

Now what?

Now what? Maybe now you can start making some sense, how about it?

The VERY CHEAPEST LED bulb now available at Lowe's is 16 bucks. That's for ONE. And it sheds the equivalent of the light from a 40-watt incandescent bulb.

I just bought a brick of 25 100-watt incandescents for less than what that one bulb costs.

Yep, longer lived they are, and brighter -- in a given direction. LED's are directional, incandescents are not.

All these arguments aside, where does it say in the US Constitution that my national government can forbid me to purchase a particular kind of light bulb? I mean, hey, do the finer points of efficiency and cost and lumens and service life matter at all, except in a free marketplace? Are you saying that it's OK for the national government to tell me that after a certain date, I can no longer purchase, of my own free will, an incandescent light bulb?

Quote from: tbone0106 on September 02, 2011, 12:14:30 PM
Now what? Maybe now you can start making some sense, how about it?

The VERY CHEAPEST LED bulb now available at Lowe's is 16 bucks. That's for ONE. And it sheds the equivalent of the light from a 40-watt incandescent bulb.

I just bought a brick of 25 100-watt incandescents for less than what that one bulb costs.

Yep, longer lived they are, and brighter -- in a given direction. LED's are directional, incandescents are not.

All these arguments aside, where does it say in the US Constitution that my national government can forbid me to purchase a particular kind of light bulb? I mean, hey, do the finer points of efficiency and cost and lumens and service life matter at all, except in a free marketplace? Are you saying that it's OK for the national government to tell me that after a certain date, I can no longer purchase, of my own free will, an incandescent light bulb?

I'm not sure why you are addressing the latter to me, as I said the opposite earlier.

BTW, don't drop that brick of bulbs from higher than 6 inches. Or shake them. You'll have a brick of 12 or 6 afterwards.

Quote from: tbone0106 on September 02, 2011, 12:14:30 PM
Now what? Maybe now you can start making some sense, how about it?

The VERY CHEAPEST LED bulb now available at Lowe's is 16 bucks. That's for ONE. And it sheds the equivalent of the light from a 40-watt incandescent bulb.

I just bought a brick of 25 100-watt incandescents for less than what that one bulb costs.

Yep, longer lived they are, and brighter -- in a given direction. LED's are directional, incandescents are not.

If I had an option, I would use only incandescents, the light is by far superior and fills a room.

QuoteAll these arguments aside, where does it say in the US Constitution that my national government can forbid me to purchase a particular kind of light bulb? I mean, hey, do the finer points of efficiency and cost and lumens and service life matter at all, except in a free marketplace? Are you saying that it's OK for the national government to tell me that after a certain date, I can no longer purchase, of my own free will, an incandescent light bulb?

Heaven forbid that the Gov ever get the Hell out of the way and let us build more nuke plants and bury all this happy horse eco green shit.

Quote from: Solar on September 02, 2011, 12:23:26 PM
Heaven forbid that the Gov ever get the Hell out of the way and let us build more nuke plants and bury all this happy horse eco green shit.

As long as they are rated to withstand more than a 7.1 earthquake!!

I'm waiting for the left to perfect their hemp powered reactors.  :P :P :P

Quote from: Solar on September 02, 2011, 12:23:26 PM
If I had an option, I would use only incandescents, the light is by far superior and fills a room.Heaven forbid that the Gov ever get the Hell out of the way and let us build more nuke plants and bury all this happy horse eco green shit.

Huzzah! TMI, Chernobyl, and that recent Jap melt down be damned!  And we had the environment first!  Let our grandkids get their own environment!

Quote from: Steve Zissou on September 02, 2011, 12:09:31 PM
Did you watch it?

I'm at work, and don't have time. Give me a summary.

Quote from: Dan on September 02, 2011, 12:25:37 PM
I'm waiting for the left to perfect their hemp powered reactors.  :P :P :P

The harder they try, the worse they fail. I think it has to do with the aftereffects of the "research."

Quote from: Harry on September 02, 2011, 12:26:39 PM

I'm at work, and don't have time. Give me a summary.

You should probably just wait and watch it at home. But basically: "If there is a set of strategies with the property that no player can benefit by changing her strategy while the other players keep their strategies unchanged, then that set of strategies and the corresponding payoffs constitute the Nash Equilibrium."

Quote from: elmerfudd on September 02, 2011, 12:25:54 PM
Huzzah! TMI, Chernobyl, and that recent Jap melt down be damned!  And we had the environment first!  Let our grandkids get their own environment!

Wow! That actually happened in our Country, under our laws and regulations?

Quote from: Steve Zissou on September 02, 2011, 12:29:50 PM
You should probably just wait and watch it at home. But basically: "If there is a set of strategies with the property that no player can benefit by changing her strategy while the other players keep their strategies unchanged, then that set of strategies and the corresponding payoffs constitute the Nash Equilibrium."

Are you trying to say that leaving things the way they are if changing them makes no sense is the right thing to do?

Quote from: Harry on September 02, 2011, 12:28:48 PM

The harder they try, the worse they fail. I think it has to do with the aftereffects of the "research."

I know it helps their economic policy make more sense.  :P

Quote from: Dan on September 02, 2011, 12:25:37 PM
I'm waiting for the left to perfect their hemp powered reactors.  :P :P :P

They're building them and they are very polluting, yet they are getting Gov exemptions based on the Green agenda.
Seriously, I read this crap a few months ago.