Quotemaybe Trump is right.  There are rules but, the rules are rigged.  What happened to the voice of the people?

I know this will be hard for you to grasp, but this is how a Representative govt works, it's the rules of a Republic.

Quote from: gandb77 on April 18, 2016, 05:08:15 AM
one further thing.   Do you really think that the republican party will let the nomination go to Cruz.  These same rules, plus any necessary changes, will put Kasich or some other party choice in the slot.  All this while Trump and Cruz knock each other out.

Not if you follow the rules, and if you remember correctly, Reagan was up against the same rules.

Are there really republicans on this site in "Cruz clothing" to knock Trump out and give control of the process back to the establishment??   Just wondering.

Quote from: gandb77 on April 18, 2016, 05:42:49 AM
Are there really republicans on this site in "Cruz clothing" to knock Trump out and give control of the process back to the establishment??   Just wondering.

Oh please enlighten us with your brilliance and explain your point as well as backing it up with actual facts.
I'm serious, you post this nonsensical bull shit all the time as if it has any meaning in reality, so here's your chance, back it up!
No, it's not a request, it's a demand!

Quote from: gandb77 on April 18, 2016, 05:42:49 AM
Are there really republicans on this site in "Cruz clothing" to knock Trump out and give control of the process back to the establishment??   Just wondering.

Is there anyone - besides you - stupid enough to believe that had he been a member of the Republican Party longer than a couple of weeks, Trump wouldn't be a piller of the establishment? All his tropes are make a deal - any kind of deal - to keep the gravy train running. There is not on thing Trump says that he could be trusted not to negotiate away at the first opportunity.

Quote from: mdgiles on April 18, 2016, 06:38:03 AM
Is there anyone - besides you - stupid enough to believe that had he been a member of the Republican Party longer than a couple of weeks, Trump wouldn't be a piller of the establishment? All his tropes are make a deal - any kind of deal - to keep the gravy train running. There is not on thing Trump says that he could be trusted not to negotiate away at the first opportunity.

Yes!  "They do walk among us."

Quote from: gandb77 on April 18, 2016, 05:00:38 AM
maybe Trump is right.  There are rules but, the rules are rigged.  What happened to the voice of the people?

This has been going on since the first Republican candidate - Abraham Lincoln

"Six of the GOP's ten brokered conventions have produced a nominee who went on to become president, with five of them winning the popular vote,"

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Decoder/2016/0317/A-contested-GOP-convention-History-offers-some-unusual-clues-video

Quote from: mdgiles on April 18, 2016, 06:38:03 AM
Is there anyone - besides you - stupid enough to believe that had he been a member of the Republican Party longer than a couple of weeks, Trump wouldn't be a piller of the establishment? All his tropes are make a deal - any kind of deal - to keep the gravy train running. There is not on thing Trump says that he could be trusted not to negotiate away at the first opportunity.

My greatest fear of a Trump Presidency.  He will look out for his own hide, and throw the country away in a heartbeat.
He's got plenty of foreign places to hang out the last dozen or two of the life he has left.  The guy is 70yrs old - that's not a whole lotta time to "make America great again" - plenty of time to burn-down-the-house and leave.... If you can't fix your sordid past of ruined marriages, bankruptcies, alleged mob connections -  snookering the public & win the White House -or- burn-it-down, and be remembered at the spoiled brat we take you for.

Quite the paradox. Trump joined the GOP, claims he's a Pub, right, play by the party rules, right?
Then why is he trying break party rules by allowing everyone a voice in selecting party nominees?
This was the closing statement in the interview, but read the first half of this article, Manfart is proof Trump
has no interest in winning, just destroying.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But if you're so confident about getting to 1,237 before Cleveland, why does Mr. Trump keep complaining about the rules?

MANAFORT: He's complaining about the system. That's the point that keeps getting lost here. He's saying we're playing by the -- we're playing to open up the process. We're trying to let voters decide, members of the Republican Party, Independents decide who the nominee should be, not the party bosses. That's the system of the 1920s, not the -- not 2016.

And -- and yes, there's history and conventions. But that history is ancient now. It's not a modern era presidency with the world opening up the way it has, with so -- the social media world opening up the way it has.

These rules have to change. And that's what he's saying. As president and as leader of the Republican Party, what he's saying is he's going to open up the system. He's going to end the nature that rigs it and keeps the people out. That's his point.

He's not blaming, you know, the chairman of the -- of the Republican Party or the RNC. He's blaming the process.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/04/17/trump_convention_manager_paul_manafort_were_finished_with_rigged_closed_caucuses_trump_will_win_primaries_with_voters.html

Quote from: quiller on April 17, 2016, 10:13:00 PM
I wasn't aware this was such a popular meme.

Geee... I don't know.  Since I'm also 6'3", like Donald Trump, as a reference, using the "This guy is an idiot - Face Plant" method, from the edge of my palm, to the tip of my fingers reaches from the bottom of my chin to just into my hairline... average hands for my height.  My 3rd finger is significantly longer than my index finger - which according to urban legends... women find me ... er, exceptional.

Know the guy paints his face to look like a racoon & dyes his gray hair ... maybe his wife has those squinting eyes from staring?   It's somewhere, found it before...   Car Keys silly!  Everyone loses them, as you get older, they look smaller and smaller, might even have to feel around for them, if your eyes get real bad.  Fortunately, my larger fingers and hands give me a certain advantage in the dark... finding those "Keys".

MEH - silly Trump.

Quote from: Solar on April 18, 2016, 08:48:14 AM
Quite the paradox. Trump joined the GOP, claims he's a Pub, right, play by the party rules, right?
Then why is he trying break party rules by allowing everyone a voice in selecting party nominees?
This was the closing statement in the interview, but read the first half of this article, Manfart is proof Trump
has no interest in winning, just destroying.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But if you're so confident about getting to 1,237 before Cleveland, why does Mr. Trump keep complaining about the rules?

MANAFORT: He's complaining about the system. That's the point that keeps getting lost here. He's saying we're playing by the -- we're playing to open up the process. We're trying to let voters decide, members of the Republican Party, Independents decide who the nominee should be, not the party bosses. That's the system of the 1920s, not the -- not 2016.

And -- and yes, there's history and conventions. But that history is ancient now. It's not a modern era presidency with the world opening up the way it has, with so -- the social media world opening up the way it has.

These rules have to change. And that's what he's saying. As president and as leader of the Republican Party, what he's saying is he's going to open up the system. He's going to end the nature that rigs it and keeps the people out. That's his point.

He's not blaming, you know, the chairman of the -- of the Republican Party or the RNC. He's blaming the process.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/04/17/trump_convention_manager_paul_manafort_were_finished_with_rigged_closed_caucuses_trump_will_win_primaries_with_voters.html

If Manafort doesn't like the system then he should have gotten involved in Republican politics at some time since 1980 - like the last convention when the rules for this convention were made. If he want's to change those rules he should have gotten some of Trumps delegates on the Party and Convention Rules committee, which hill have final say on this and next convention. In fact he did neither, campaign to have the rules changed in the past or in the future. Too bad he was spending so much time doing PR work for every bloody handed group on the planet - like the Pakistani ISI - you know there intelligence service that supports the Taliban.

Quote from: mdgiles on April 18, 2016, 11:52:53 AM
If Manafort doesn't like the system then he should have gotten involved in Republican politics at some time since 1980 - like the last convention when the rules for this convention were made. If he want's to change those rules he should have gotten some of Trumps delegates on the Party and Convention Rules committee, which hill have final say on this and next convention. In fact he did neither, campaign to have the rules changed in the past or in the future. Too bad he was spending so much time doing PR work for every bloody handed group on the planet - like the Pakistani ISI - you know there intelligence service that supports the Taliban.

Manafort is a "Hail Mary pass" by Obama. Too little - too late. Trump dug the organizational hole and Manafort can't refill it. as we discussed last week, Trump got outsmarted in GA over the weekend. If Cruz and Kasich grab some delegates in NY Trump cannot get 1237 before the convention.

I am thinking Kasich may be a benefit in the NE primaries. There are a lot of RINO's in those states and he appeals to those voters. What does everyone else think.

Quote from: mdgiles on April 18, 2016, 11:52:53 AM
If Manafort doesn't like the system then he should have gotten involved in Republican politics at some time since 1980 - like the last convention when the rules for this convention were made. If he want's to change those rules he should have gotten some of Trumps delegates on the Party and Convention Rules committee, which hill have final say on this and next convention. In fact he did neither, campaign to have the rules changed in the past or in the future. Too bad he was spending so much time doing PR work for every bloody handed group on the planet - like the Pakistani ISI - you know there intelligence service that supports the Taliban.

Agree. I guess it's a lib thing, where losing is the new winning.
It's what whining gets them.

Quote from: Solar on April 18, 2016, 12:55:40 PM
Agree. I guess it's a lib thing, where losing is the new winning.
It's what whining gets them.

Well... when you got nothing else, why not?   It works on college campuses, whine until they get so sick of it, they make up a new rule, hoping you'll disperse and go back to smokin' pot.  Works for them, so Donald is trying it out.

Trump is the clown with no arms trying to figure out a Rubik's Cube.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on April 18, 2016, 10:25:11 PM
Trump is the clown with no arms trying to figure out a Rubik's Cube.