Quote from: Solar on February 25, 2015, 12:52:33 PM
You say that as if there's a distinction between the two.
But seriously, this is far from over, the Conservatives have vowed to fight.

The House should reject the senate bill and send their original bill back to McConnell. McConnell should let the democrats filibuster a vote until DHS is not funded. It is time for hard ball regardless of what the MSM will report.

Quote from: supsalemgr on February 25, 2015, 01:56:23 PM
The House should reject the senate bill and send their original bill back to McConnell. McConnell should let the democrats filibuster a vote until DHS is not funded. It is time for hard ball regardless of what the MSM will report.

Nope. The time is past.

If McConnell had not split the bill, and the Democrats continued to fillibuster it right up to the deadline, it would be extremely difficult for the MSM to blame the eventual shutdown on the Republicans. The same would go if they passed the bill and the President vetoed it.

Now, however, they have given the MSM and the Democrats copious amount ammunition to place the shutdown (if there is any) squarely on the shoulders of the GOP.

But, don't worry folks. There will be no shutdown. Boehner will cave.

Quote from: Dori on February 25, 2015, 11:48:30 AM
Maybe I get it now.  The House first passed the bill with an exclusion to not fund Obama's amnesty stuff, and that's why the Dims are filibustering it.  McConnell wants to take the exclusion out. 

But even if he did do that, and it passed the Senate, it would still have to go back to the House to be approved.  Right?

And if it doesn't pass the house they will blame it on the republicans instead of the senate democrats that filibustered the house bill. This really stinks!!

Republicans are great at forming  circular firing squads. All the Rubioite Mac had to do was simply say we have a bill to fund the department and  i will sit and wait until the democrats allow a vote.

Such doom and gloom.....if Boner takes up the Senate bill, the house can then add amendments, which means that it then goes back to the senate, can not be filibustered, and pass on a 51 vote majority.  So the clean bill goes up to the house, boner has an amendment to defund amnesty added, the house passes, and it goes BACK to the senate for a simple majority vote.  Now, is GOP leadership that smart...we will see but this can be done!

Ironically Boehner is standing firm.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 26, 2015, 01:24:31 PM
Ironically Boehner is standing firm.

I know....could the dims have just been beaten at their own game???

Quote from: Bowhntr on February 26, 2015, 01:12:29 PM
Such doom and gloom.....if Boner takes up the Senate bill, the house can then add amendments, which means that it then goes back to the senate, can not be filibustered, and pass on a 51 vote majority.  So the clean bill goes up to the house, boner has an amendment to defund amnesty added, the house passes, and it goes BACK to the senate for a simple majority vote.  Now, is GOP leadership that smart...we will see but this can be done!

I heard Rush talking about this today. Like him, I'm not sure McConnell is that smart. However, Boehner is doing the right thing by saying send me a bill. Then, the democrats will have to vote on any amended bill. Brilliant strategy and puts any shutdown on the democrats. After all, they asked for a clean bill.

Quote from: Bowhntr on February 26, 2015, 01:30:00 PM
I know....could the dims have just been beaten at their own game???

Seems to be.

Someone should tell Vinny.

Quote from: Bowhntr on February 26, 2015, 01:12:29 PM
Such doom and gloom.....if Boner takes up the Senate bill, the house can then add amendments, which means that it then goes back to the senate, can not be filibustered, and pass on a 51 vote majority.  So the clean bill goes up to the house, boner has an amendment to defund amnesty added, the house passes, and it goes BACK to the senate for a simple majority vote.  Now, is GOP leadership that smart...we will see but this can be done!

Thanks, I am feeling better about this.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 26, 2015, 01:31:22 PM
Seems to be.

Someone should tell Vinny.

Lets see what  happens first. Republicans and standing firm are unmixy things.

Quote from: Bowhntr on February 26, 2015, 01:12:29 PM
Such doom and gloom.....if Boner takes up the Senate bill, the house can then add amendments, which means that it then goes back to the senate, can not be filibustered, and pass on a 51 vote majority.  So the clean bill goes up to the house, boner has an amendment to defund amnesty added, the house passes, and it goes BACK to the senate for a simple majority vote.  Now, is GOP leadership that smart...we will see but this can be done!

So if this happens and the House takes out funding for the illegals, the Senate can pass it with a 51 vote. Can Obama veto this or does it just stand?

If it happens the media will go into overdrive on how the Republicans hate poor people and are racists.

Quote from: Dori on February 26, 2015, 04:10:54 PM
So if this happens and the House takes out funding for the illegals, the Senate can pass it with a 51 vote. Can Obama veto this or does it just stand?

If it happens the media will go into overdrive on how the Republicans hate poor people and are racists.

It still has to have a presidential signature...or veto.  I hope the house plays it likes this and then obummer vetos...that way any "shutdown" is totally on HIS shoulders!

Quote from: Bowhntr on February 26, 2015, 01:12:29 PM
Such doom and gloom.....if Boner takes up the Senate bill, the house can then add amendments, which means that it then goes back to the senate, can not be filibustered, and pass on a 51 vote majority.  So the clean bill goes up to the house, boner has an amendment to defund amnesty added, the house passes, and it goes BACK to the senate for a simple majority vote.  Now, is GOP leadership that smart...we will see but this can be done!

Doesn't it go to reconciliation first if changes are made and the go to the floor?

Reps punted. 1 week extension.