Well, they'll be hard pressed to find it in the Constitution.
There's a lot written on the subject, but the fact remains, the First bans the govt, not we the people who are the govt.


The phrase "separation of church and state" appears nowhere in the Constitution, and the Founding Fathers saw nothing wrong with having religion in American culture, according to an expert.

While Congress is prohibited from enacting a state religion, the founding document says nothing about banishing religion from the public square, Professor Michael McConnell told Mark Levin on "Life, Liberty & Levin."

"The words 'separation of church and state' are not in the Constitution... I think this is a shorthand version of what the establishment clause means," he added, noting the passage in the Constitution that reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

"It does have a deep history because there were, in the 18th century, prominent writers who openly advocated for a union between church and state. There's actually a famous essay by one of the Bishops in the Church of England by that very title.

"And, our framers did not did not believe in a union between church and state."

The Stanford law professor continued, adding the founders instead wanted to protect against government "control" of religion and that they did not object to symbols of faith being present in the public square.

"This did not mean that the framers believed that the American people should be any less religious than they choose to be," he said.

"It didn't mean that the culture — that there was anything wrong with having religious elements in the culture. What it meant is that we would not have a system in which the government was able to tell us what to believe, was able to control churches, decide what their doctrines, decide who their personnel would be, and so forth."

https://law.stanford.edu/press/constitutional-expert-on-separation-of-church-and-state-framers-said-nothing-wrong-with-religion-in-culture/

It's true that "separation of church and state" isn't in the Constitution, but SCOTUS has ruled that public entities can't show preference for a specific religion, i.e. hanging a cross in a classroom, because that is a form of "establishing".

I'm not aware of an individual being prohibited from exercising their religion.  So, while a classroom can't have a cross hung, a teacher can wear a cross and even pray, on his/her own time, at work.

Interestingly, even tho a federal state church isnt allowed, state level churches are. Several of the original colonies had official state churches.

Not that Im in favor of that but the point is that seperation of church and state has been abused by the left hard, except when it comes to their religion OF the state, their commie state worship.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 22, 2021, 08:04:29 AMIt's true that "separation of church and state" isn't in the Constitution, but SCOTUS has ruled that public entities can't show preference for a specific religion, i.e. hanging a cross in a classroom, because that is a form of "establishing".

I'm not aware of an individual being prohibited from exercising their religion.  So, while a classroom can't have a cross hung, a teacher can wear a cross and even pray, on his/her own time, at work.

Thing is SCOTUS also one ruled in favor of murder thru abortion as well as in favor of slavery. So we dont look to them for right and wrong.

The left has abused the idea of SCS to the point where they are stopping Christians from properly exercising their religion, which involves celebrating it in the public square. So by not allowing public entities to celebrate and champion our nations founding religion they are in fact arresting the practice of that religion. Remember, nowhere in the constitution does it say all religions are equal.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 22, 2021, 08:04:29 AMIt's true that "separation of church and state" isn't in the Constitution, but SCOTUS has ruled that public entities can't show preference for a specific religion, i.e. hanging a cross in a classroom, because that is a form of "establishing".

I'm not aware of an individual being prohibited from exercising their religion.  So, while a classroom can't have a cross hung, a teacher can wear a cross and even pray, on his/her own time, at work.

For now...
I think the point being missed here is, that SCOTUS was not actually allowed to address many of the cases it ruled on.
This is thanks to a failed Congress not doing its job.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 22, 2021, 08:04:29 AMIt's true that "separation of church and state" isn't in the Constitution, but SCOTUS has ruled that public entities can't show preference for a specific religion, i.e. hanging a cross in a classroom, because that is a form of "establishing".

I'm not aware of an individual being prohibited from exercising their religion.  So, while a classroom can't have a cross hung, a teacher can wear a cross and even pray, on his/her own time, at work.

So you oppose the firing of the football coach in Washington state because he prayed on the field?

Quote from: T Hunt on July 22, 2021, 08:14:41 AMThing is SCOTUS also one ruled in favor of murder thru abortion as well as in favor of slavery. So we dont look to them for right and wrong.

The left has abused the idea of SCS to the point where they are stopping Christians from properly exercising their religion, which involves celebrating it in the public square. So by not allowing public entities to celebrate and champion our nations founding religion they are in fact arresting the practice of that religion. Remember, nowhere in the constitution does it say all religions are equal.

SCOTUS is made of people and people are flawed, influenced by outside pressure and make mistakes.

People that are unhappy with the fact that religion can't be taught in schools or that a state capitol can't have a manger scene, don't consider that it could very been a Muslim teacher that's teaching her class and a Muslim Governor who's deciding what is done at the capitol building.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 22, 2021, 08:31:31 AMSCOTUS is made of people and people are flawed, influenced by outside pressure and make mistakes.

People that are unhappy with the fact that religion can't be taught in schools or that a state capitol can't have a manger scene, don't consider that it could very been a Muslim teacher that's teaching her class and a Muslim Governor who's deciding what is done at the capitol building.

OMG the horror, Muslum teachers? What's next, Black teachers?

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 22, 2021, 08:31:31 AMSCOTUS is made of people and people are flawed, influenced by outside pressure and make mistakes.

People that are unhappy with the fact that religion can't be taught in schools or that a state capitol can't have a manger scene, don't consider that it could very been a Muslim teacher that's teaching her class and a Muslim Governor who's deciding what is done at the capitol building.

Actually we have considered that and dismissed it as a non issue. You are forgetting that it was christianity that founded this nation, not islam, so you will never have to worry about an islam manger scene, LOL.

Quote from: Solar on July 22, 2021, 08:34:05 AMOMG the horror, Muslum teachers? What's next, Black teachers?

Right? The local school boards, made up of parents should decide who is and isnt a teacher in their schools. If a muslim community wants muslim teachers at its public school so be it.

Quote from: T Hunt on July 22, 2021, 08:42:29 AMActually we have considered that and dismissed it as a non issue. You are forgetting that it was christianity that founded this nation, not islam, so you will never have to worry about an islam manger scene, LOL.

Right, but if you're going to allow religion in public sector, you have to allow ALL religion in the public sector.

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And the government can't discriminate, so if the government recognizes one religion, they have to recognize every religion if someone were to request it.

If you're going to allow teachers to teach about their preferred religion, then you have to allow all teachers, satanists, atheists, etc to teach their beliefs.

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 22, 2021, 08:18:27 AMSo you oppose the firing of the football coach in Washington state because he prayed on the field?

Why won't you answer my question?

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 22, 2021, 08:18:27 AMSo you oppose the firing of the football coach in Washington state because he prayed on the field?

In my opinion, it's no different than a teacher leading prayer, during school time, with specific students.  He was asked to stop doing it.  He refused and was fired. I don't see an issue with his firing. If the kids wanted to meet at his house, off campus and outside of a school-sanctioned activity and pray, I'd have no issue with it.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 22, 2021, 08:04:29 AMIt's true that "separation of church and state" isn't in the Constitution, but SCOTUS has ruled that public entities can't show preference for a specific religion, i.e. hanging a cross in a classroom, because that is a form of "establishing".

I'm not aware of an individual being prohibited from exercising their religion.  So, while a classroom can't have a cross hung, a teacher can wear a cross and even pray, on his/her own time, at work.

You mean like closing down churches for the "pandemic"?

Quote from: Possum on July 22, 2021, 09:52:50 AMYou mean like closing down churches for the "pandemic"?

For a variety of reasons, I don't equate religion and church, but that's a separate topic.  I also don't agree with the government being able to shut down businesses and churches, but churches weren't targeted specifically.  All gatherings were shut down.  Again, I don't agree with it and many churches rightfully won the right to reopen by fighting in the courts.

I would like to see SCOTUS rule on the authority of government to shutdown churches.  I think it's BS, personally.