Quote from: T Hunt on July 22, 2021, 01:57:48 PMActually no they dont. Thats not in the constitution. All it demands is that we allow each individual to practice their religion. Anything else is an attempt to add things in that arent there, like the SC did with abortion.

It doesnt say anything about treating the religions themselves the same or allowing them all equally into the private sphere. Only one religion was part of our founding, so that religion will always be celebrated publicly more than any other.

And culturally as well we will always be majority christian. Thats not going to change.

Remember, according to the constitution, all AMERICANS are BORN equal under the LAW.
But there is nothing in the constitution that says all religions are equal, only that each individual has the right to practice it, nor that anyone has the right to be free FROM religion.

"All it demands is that we allow each individual to practice their religion."

Correct. Individuals.  Nobody is preventing individuals from practicing their religion.

What isn't permitted is the government establishing religion.  The idea of "establishment" has been ruled to cover a lot of territory.  Establishment is treated like "endorse".  Government isn't permitted to endorse a specific religion.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 22, 2021, 03:27:38 PM"All it demands is that we allow each individual to practice their religion."

Correct. Individuals.  Nobody is preventing individuals from practicing their religion.

What isn't permitted is the government establishing religion.  The idea of "establishment" has been ruled to cover a lot of territory.  Establishment is treated like "endorse".  Government isn't permitted to endorse a specific religion.

Partially true. Govt is forbidden from interfering in religion.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 22, 2021, 03:27:38 PM"All it demands is that we allow each individual to practice their religion."

Correct. Individuals.  Nobody is preventing individuals from practicing their religion.

But they are tho. If choosing to be gay is a sin, then as a christian I have the right to deny them my property or services. Heck, that goes beyond religion into simple rights of the individual as no private business can constitutionally be forced to serve anyone they dont want to, regardless of reason.

QuoteWhat isn't permitted is the government establishing religion.  The idea of "establishment" has been ruled to cover a lot of territory.  Establishment is treated like "endorse".  Government isn't permitted to endorse a specific religion.

Wrong. An establishment is specifically talking about a physical church or group of churches, ie a synod. The federal government cannot be involved in any specific church or help any one church over any other, including churches of other religions like a mosque or between sunni and shia muslims.

The founders themselves endorsed christianity as a religion to provide the morality necessary for a free people. And certain states have had state churches in the past.

But they are tho. If choosing to be gay is a sin, then as a christian I have the right to deny them my property or services. Heck, that goes beyond religion into simple rights of the individual as no private business can constitutionally be forced to serve anyone they dont want to, regardless of reason.

I agree that you should be able to deny anyone for any reason. If I'm a white nationalist, and I want to deny service to a black guy, I should be able to. This is where the government/religion intersect because people are scared to true freedom, so they create discrimination laws.

The other side is the argument that you and your business are separate entities and while YOU may be able to discriminate however you'd like, your business can't.

Wrong. An establishment is specifically talking about a physical church or group of churches, ie a synod. The federal government cannot be involved in any specific church or help any one church over any other, including churches of other religions like a mosque or between sunni and shia muslims.

The founders themselves endorsed christianity as a religion to provide the morality necessary for a free people. And certain states have had state churches in the past.

Like I mentioned before, SCOTUS has ruled on what is meant by the Establishment clause and it has been interpreted to say that government endorsing is a form of establishment.  I'd much rather error on the side of keeping government and religion separate that having them intersecting. 

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 23, 2021, 09:13:09 AMBut they are tho. If choosing to be gay is a sin, then as a christian I have the right to deny them my property or services. Heck, that goes beyond religion into simple rights of the individual as no private business can constitutionally be forced to serve anyone they dont want to, regardless of reason.

I agree that you should be able to deny anyone for any reason. If I'm a white nationalist, and I want to deny service to a black guy, I should be able to. This is where the government/religion intersect because people are scared to true freedom, so they create discrimination laws.

The other side is the argument that you and your business are separate entities and while YOU may be able to discriminate however you'd like, your business can't.

Wrong. An establishment is specifically talking about a physical church or group of churches, ie a synod. The federal government cannot be involved in any specific church or help any one church over any other, including churches of other religions like a mosque or between sunni and shia muslims.

The founders themselves endorsed christianity as a religion to provide the morality necessary for a free people. And certain states have had state churches in the past.

Like I mentioned before, SCOTUS has ruled on what is meant by the Establishment clause and it has been interpreted to say that government endorsing is a form of establishment.  I'd much rather error on the side of keeping government and religion separate that having them intersecting. 

Are you retarded? Can you not learn how to properly use the quote function? You have how many replys already and you cannot do this?

Quote from: T Hunt on July 23, 2021, 09:59:31 AMAre you retarded? Can you not learn how to properly use the quote function? You have how many replys already and you cannot do this?

Aaaaaaaand, the intelligent conversation comes to an end.  I've been yelled at at least one by solar for doing what you did above - break it into individual quotes and responses. If you don't like it, take it up with him.

Post 25 on this link:

https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/fred-call's-world/should-convicted-felons-be-allowed-to-own-guns/msg467472/#msg467472

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 23, 2021, 12:00:06 PMAaaaaaaand, the intelligent conversation comes to an end.  I've been yelled at at least one by solar for doing what you did above - break it into individual quotes and responses. If you don't like it, take it up with him.

     

Dude, I have no idea what you're talking about, but whatever it was, you obviously misunderstood.
Just quote like everyone else, with your comment below, so everyone knows who and what you're responding to.

Quote from: Solar on July 23, 2021, 12:57:41 PM     

Dude, I have no idea what you're talking about, but whatever it was, you obviously misunderstood.
Just quote like everyone else, with your comment below, so everyone knows who and what you're responding to.

Post 25 on this link:

https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/fred-call's-world/should-convicted-felons-be-allowed-to-own-guns/msg467472/#msg467472

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 23, 2021, 01:15:15 PMPost 25 on this link:

https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/fred-call's-world/should-convicted-felons-be-allowed-to-own-guns/msg467472/#msg467472

Ohhh Jeeeez, You were replying to two different people in one post, I said:

Quote from: Solar on July 12, 2021, 09:22:03 AMI won't say this again, one reply per post, never include two or more in a conversation, only one person at a time.
OK, so lets return to the days of an "eye for an eye", murder someone and hang for it.
That way he never lost his Second Amendment Rights.

I remember when murder was the worst offense one could commit, that is, until the left qualified the term "Hate Crime" bull shit, creating varying degrees of murder and varying degrees of punishment.

Now do you get it? One person per reply, you were replying to two different people in one post, that is poor etiquette, because the reply was to Thunt and you included me, had I not read the whole thing, I'd never have known I was part of your post.
So one person per quote!

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 23, 2021, 12:00:06 PMAaaaaaaand, the intelligent conversation comes to an end.  I've been yelled at at least one by solar for doing what you did above - break it into individual quotes and responses. If you don't like it, take it up with him.

No sorry thats not at all what he was yelling at you about. He wants you to use the quote function correctly. He also doesnt want you responding to two separate peoples posts in one reply. Can you not see the difference?

If you want to continue intelligent conversation (if thats what you call what you do) then learn to quote properly so I dont have to dissect your post. This is like the third time, thats the only reason Im saying anything.

Quote from: p1tchblack on July 23, 2021, 12:08:44 PMPost 25 on this link:

https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/fred-call's-world/should-convicted-felons-be-allowed-to-own-guns/msg467472/#msg467472

Yes, this example you provided was also done wrong. Can you make yours look like my long ones?

Quote from: T Hunt on July 22, 2021, 01:57:48 PMActually no they dont. Thats not in the constitution. All it demands is that we allow each individual to practice their religion. Anything else is an attempt to add things in that arent there, like the SC did with abortion.

It doesnt say anything about treating the religions themselves the same or allowing them all equally into the private sphere. Only one religion was part of our founding, so that religion will always be celebrated publicly more than any other.

And culturally as well we will always be majority christian. Thats not going to change.

Remember, according to the constitution, all AMERICANS are BORN equal under the LAW.
But there is nothing in the constitution that says all religions are equal, only that each individual has the right to practice it, nor that anyone has the right to be free FROM religion.

I believe the word I used to hear was Judeo Christian: which summed up the ethics, values, and morals. Just because it says "Christian", It doesn't mean that Jehovah's Witnesses, Judaism, or Protestant are excluded. We share the same ethics, values, and morals. A Ten Commandments type of thing: "don't steal your neighbor's ox, don't covet you neighbor's wife, and honor your family."

Jews are not offended by a Christmas tree. The only people who are offended are the ones who will never be happy after the so-called "offense" is gone. I wonder how many Jewish boys and girls participated in the Elementary School Christmas play along with their classmates and friends? I don't believe them playing Mary or Joseph is going to scar them for life. They probably don't remember it by now.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 24, 2021, 09:53:33 AMI believe the word I used to hear was Judeo Christian: which summed up the ethics, values, and morals. Just because it says "Christian", It doesn't mean that Jehovah's Witnesses, Judaism, or Protestant are excluded. We share the same ethics, values, and morals. A Ten Commandments type of thing: "don't steal your neighbor's ox, don't covet you neighbor's wife, and honor your family."

Jews are not offended by a Christmas tree. The only people who are offended are the ones who will never be happy after the so-called "offense" is gone. I wonder how many Jewish boys and girls participated in the Elementary School Christmas play along with their classmates and friends? I don't believe them playing Mary or Joseph is going to scar them for life. They probably don't remember it by now.

 

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 24, 2021, 09:53:33 AMI believe the word I used to hear was Judeo Christian: which summed up the ethics, values, and morals. Just because it says "Christian", It doesn't mean that Jehovah's Witnesses, Judaism, or Protestant are excluded. We share the same ethics, values, and morals. A Ten Commandments type of thing: "don't steal your neighbor's ox, don't covet you neighbor's wife, and honor your family."

Jews are not offended by a Christmas tree. The only people who are offended are the ones who will never be happy after the so-called "offense" is gone. I wonder how many Jewish boys and girls participated in the Elementary School Christmas play along with their classmates and friends? I don't believe them playing Mary or Joseph is going to scar them for life. They probably don't remember it by now.

I could go into a whole series about how we DON'T have the same "values, morals & ethics". There are some who claim that "all roads lead to heaven" and "all religions are the same" as well but, that is not true, not fact and not even close to being real. Some "religions" have their own version of the Bible, written by modern man and steeped in paganism, humanity and absolute trash. I'm sure that there are some who will try to claim that CRT, Antifa and BLM are biblical as well but, that does not make it so.

So while it may be "cool", "now", "hip" or politically correct to claim that all "religions" have the same "morals, ethics and values", it simply is not so. I tell people that I am NOT at all "religious", I am a follower of Jesus Christ, amazingly and unfortunately different.