We get a lot of people coming through here touting the wonders of a 3rd party.
But what few seem to realize, is there is 34, 3rd party affiliations in the US.
So in truth, if the TEA were to become an official party, it would be a 35th party.
But if that isn't enough to convince you that it's a completely idiotic idea, how about the fact that it would literally split the GOP and ensure the Marxists retain power.
Are you so angry that you're willing to destroy the country, just to teach the RINO a lesson?
How about redirecting that anger into something constructive, like stealing the GOP for our selves, the TEA.
One other point, the TEA does not have the financial backing that would allow it to be on every state ballot in the Nation, think about that when it comes time to buy TV ads.
For more, go to Ballotpeda.
http://ballotpedia.org/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States (http://ballotpedia.org/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States)
And no Suzzi, this wasn't directed at you, I've meant to do this for months, you merely reminded me of it. :wink:
Spot on. There are plenty of other parties the RINO can join. I suggest they join a nice Green party. The Democrat party would welcome them with open arms.
We're not the ones on the run -- they are. They can, and should, leave the party (and country).
Quote from: Solar on July 24, 2014, 09:18:39 PM
And no Suzzi, this wasn't directed at you, I've meant to do this for months, you merely reminded me of it. :wink:
??? I didn't bring up the notion of a 3rd party; I have commented in the past as to why it wouldn't work. Third parties don't have the financial backing, advertising ability, and most of the time can't even manage to qualify to get on the ballot in all 50 states. Ron Paul many times was asked to run again as 3rd party and obviously didn't, because he knew his chances were better under the Republican umbrella. People need to vote for the candidate, not the party. Yes, I would love to see a 3rd party ideally seated in the oval office, but I agree with you completely, in this political climate it's just not going to happen, TEA or otherwise. Not only do we have too many RINO's left in Congress, but some Republican voters still have the same RINO mentality. IMO, its the young new Republicans that will spell victory for the TEA.
As of 2010, Gallup polling found that 31% of Americans identified as Democrats (tying a 22-year low), 29% as Republicans, and 38% as independents and as I pointed out earlier, there are approximately, 63 million registered Democrats, 47 million registered Republicans and 32 million registered Independents. With that being said, I believe that there are a lot of disgruntled Democrats who have finally opened their eyes to what Obama and cronies are doing and they will vote Republican this time around. I anticipate that the Republicans will get more of the Independent vote as well.
Quote from: Solar on July 24, 2014, 08:09:28 PM
We get a lot of people coming through here touting the wonders of a 3rd party.
But what few seem to realize, is there is 34, 3rd party affiliations in the US.
So in truth, if the TEA were to become an official party, it would be a 35th party.
But if that isn't enough to convince you that it's a completely idiotic idea, how about the fact that it would literally split the GOP and ensure the Marxists retain power.
Are you so angry that you're willing to destroy the country, just to teach the RINO a lesson?
How about redirecting that anger into something constructive, like stealing the GOP for our selves, the TEA.
One other point, the TEA does not have the financial backing that would allow it to be on every state ballot in the Nation, think about that when it comes time to buy TV ads.
For more, go to Ballotpeda.
http://ballotpedia.org/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States (http://ballotpedia.org/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States)
Well put. We must win from the inside and we are. We awill not win every battle, but look at what has happened since 2010. All the GOP state legislatures the GOP has won were not won by RINO's, but on conservative values. It is important we persevere. The TEA movement is still young and we are learning. We had to experience some flawed candidates and now we are we are doing a better job of vetting candidates. even when we lose, we win. These close calls get the attention of the establishment. It is all about diligence.
Quote from: taxed on July 25, 2014, 03:09:02 AM
Spot on. There are plenty of other parties the RINO can join. I suggest they join a nice Green party. The Democrat party would welcome them with open arms.
We're not the ones on the run -- they are. They can, and should, leave the party (and country).
True 'dat, taxed. Another point, the border influx is a last ditch move by the progressives to get more votes because without them, they'll lose. The stage to lose was set by the Democrats' idiotic policies and total corruptness. America is waking up to all of this. Will takeover happen over night? I don't think so, but Rome wasn't built in a day either. As someone else said here, we just have to keep on keeping on. TEA will win if we do.
You forget that the Republican Party was, at one time, itself a "3rd" party. The name Republican was first used in 1854 - in six years they had put their candidate in the White House.
Oh, and I'm not just "passing through" I'm here to stay - your stuck with me! :wink:
-Darth
Quote from: Darth Fife on July 25, 2014, 07:35:25 AM
You forget that the Republican Party was, at one time, itself a "3rd" party. The name Republican was first used in 1854 - in six years they had put their candidate in the White House.
Oh, and I'm not just "passing through" I'm here to stay - your stuck with me! :wink:
-Darth
Where ya' been?
Quote from: Darth Fife on July 25, 2014, 07:35:25 AM
You forget that the Republican Party was, at one time, itself a "3rd" party. The name Republican was first used in 1854 - in six years they had put their candidate in the White House.
Oh, and I'm not just "passing through" I'm here to stay - your stuck with me! :wink:
-Darth
Yet you poo poo the idea of a TEA takeover of an existing party?
You sound a tad bit confused these days when you claim the TEA hasn't a chance of stealing the party from the RINO. Then turn around and evidence my point with the historical facts that supports it?
Quote from: Solar on July 25, 2014, 07:43:28 AM
Running from boogieman.
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Quote from: Darth Fife on July 25, 2014, 07:35:25 AM
You forget that the Republican Party was, at one time, itself a "3rd" party. The name Republican was first used in 1854 - in six years they had put their candidate in the White House.
Oh, and I'm not just "passing through" I'm here to stay - your stuck with me! :wink:
-Darth
Hey Darth, I remember you from goupstate.
Quote from: keyboarder on July 25, 2014, 08:50:39 AM
Hey Darth, I remember you from goupstate.
Thanks for jogging my memory. I also remember now.
Quote from: Solar on July 25, 2014, 07:42:47 AM
Yet you poo poo the idea of a TEA takeover of an existing party?
You sound a tad bit confused these days when you claim the TEA hasn't a chance of stealing the party from the RINO. Then turn around and evidence my point with the historical facts that supports it?
I don't see how that disproves my point.
If the Anti-Slavery members of the Whig Party could have taken control of the party, don't you think they would have done so? But, they couldn't they had to leave the party and form a coalition with members of the Know Nothing party...
As for the so-called immigration crisis, it is not a last ditch effort for anything. When will you guys realize that these Marxists don't just plan for the next election, they are planning for the next generation?
They know they have the power now, and they intend to keep that power for as long as they can. They don't need these voters for the next election, they need them and their children for the next 20 elections!
And, they'll have them thanks to the GOP!
-Darth
Quote from: Darth Fife on July 25, 2014, 03:52:34 PM
I don't see how that disproves my point.
If the Anti-Slavery members of the Whig Party could have taken control of the party, don't you think they would have done so? But, they couldn't they had to leave the party and form a coalition with members of the Know Nothing party...
As for the so-called immigration crisis, it is not a last ditch effort for anything. When will you guys realize that these Marxists don't just plan for the next election, they are planning for the next generation?
They know they have the power now, and they intend to keep that power for as long as they can. They don't need these voters for the next election, they need them and their children for the next 20 elections!
And, they'll have them thanks to the GOP!
-Darth
The fact that Conservatives are the majority in the country, as they were in the 1800s.
Nothing has changed, except for the fact that history is about to repeat itself.
The Whigs as, GOP are splitting, and the Conservative base has the power, the only difference today, is TEA will steal an existing party, rather than start anew.
When the right loses it's moral core, it collapses, just as the Whigs did.
Quote from: Solar on July 25, 2014, 04:19:18 PM
The fact that Conservatives are the majority in the country, as they were in the 1800s.
Nothing has changed, except for the fact that history is about to repeat itself.
The Whigs as, GOP are splitting, and the Conservative base has the power, the only difference today, is TEA will steal an existing party, rather than start anew.
When the right loses it's moral core, it collapses, just as the Whigs did.
Nobody is suggesting we jettison our "moral core" however, I think we need the threat of a 3rd party to, if you excuse the expression,
put the fear of God into the Republican Establishment!
Really, that is all I'm saying.
I'd love to vote for a Republican in 2016, but it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for another Bush!
-Darth
"You" had the chance to put the fear of God into the Republican Party when Kentucky voted in the Republican Party. You failed. Maybe a little more resolve in November???
Quote from: Darth Fife on July 25, 2014, 04:48:51 PM
Nobody is suggesting we jettison our "moral core" however, I think we need the threat of a 3rd party to, if you excuse the expression, put the fear of God into the Republican Establishment!
Really, that is all I'm saying.
I'd love to vote for a Republican in 2016, but it will be a cold day in hell before I vote for another Bush!
-Darth
You don't think the GOP isn't already scared shit less of TEA?
They're even more afraid of them than the Marxists Dims are, and they used the IRS and DOJ as weapons against us.
Believe me, a 3rd party is exactly what the Dims want, because it splits the vote keeping them in power, and the RINO would love it because they know they have all the financial backing locked up, which would leave the TEA as the 35th 3rd party left to fade into oblivion, just like Perot's movement did so very long ago..
Hell, just the organizing alone per state is mind boggling just to get on the ballot, then there's the issue of candidates and their need for backing.
Nope, 3rd party is the worst thing we could do at this point, considering the momentum TEA has already garnered.
All that would be lost.
Quote from: Solar on July 25, 2014, 06:52:16 PM
You don't think the GOP isn't already scared shit less of TEA?
They're even more afraid of them than the Marxists Dims are, and they used the IRS and DOJ as weapons against us.
Believe me, a 3rd party is exactly what the Dims want, because it splits the vote keeping them in power, and the RINO would love it because they know they have all the financial backing locked up, which would leave the TEA as the 35th 3rd party left to fade into oblivion, just like Perot's movement did so very long ago..
Hell, just the organizing alone per state is mind boggling just to get on the ballot, then there's the issue of candidates and their need for backing.
Nope, 3rd party is the worst thing we could do at this point, considering the momentum TEA has already garnered.
All that would be lost.
I respectfully disagree!
ALL options must be on the table! Taking the possibility of a 3rd Party off of the table is like Boehner saying he wouldn't shut down the Government.
It's like the Old South. The Republican Establishment is the plantation owner and the overseers, and the Tea Party types are the Negro slaves. The RINOs need them to get what they want, but there is no way they are going to give them any kind of actual power. And taking the possiblity of a 3rd Party off the table is like a slave promising not to run off to a Free State.
Yessir, Massa! I don't want nuttin' to do wit no 3rd Party, Massa!
-Darth
Quote from: Darth Fife on July 25, 2014, 07:42:40 PM
I respectfully disagree!
ALL options must be on the table! Taking the possibility of a 3rd Party off of the table is like Boehner saying he wouldn't shut down the Government.
It's like the Old South. The Republican Establishment is the plantation owner and the overseers, and the Tea Party types are the Negro slaves. The RINOs need them to get what they want, but there is no way they are going to give them any kind of actual power. And taking the possiblity of a 3rd Party off the table is like a slave promising not to run off to a Free State.
Yessir, Massa! I don't want nuttin' to do wit no 3rd Party, Massa!
-Darth
Surrender is not an option, so you can forget that crap!
Because that's all it would be, failure to achieve the ultimate goal of takeover, as in winning the war, and yes, this is war for control over the future of the Nation and killing off the socialists within the party!
Let's break this down to what it is really about. Branding. Name recognition. This isn't any different than a small start up car company trying to compete with the big names. They can't get the funding and they don't have the cash available to compete nationally.
The Tea Party is the strongest of all the "third" parties but it could take decades to match the Republican infrastructure. So what we are doing is trying to carve out a new majority in a party that is centuries old and decades into being Democrat-lite.
And we are succeeding. In fact we are years ahead of where many of us thought we would be. We have matured. We no longer have a knee jerk reaction to anyone who says what we want to hear. (We loved Chris Christie for about a month because he has what we wished all our Reps had. Balls). We are now at a point where we accept that politics plays a big part of it. We have to pick our candidates carefully. Being a true Conservative is great but if you used to be a witch or have a habit of saying really dumb things then we can't have you because you won't get elected. That's reality.
I can't say for sure how long it is going to take but November will let us know. Something is happening and it's not good for the left and Obama is reason. I don't know where we are going over the next two years but when 2017 comes around I can't see the Democrats being an issue. They have marginalized themselves. I'm not sure if we are ready but we are in a better position than ever before and we have the right people to do it.
Quote from: Darth Fife on July 25, 2014, 07:42:40 PM
I respectfully disagree!
Shocker!
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ALL options must be on the table! Taking the possibility of a 3rd Party off of the table is like Boehner saying he wouldn't shut down the Government.
No it isn't. That's silly.
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It's like the Old South. The Republican Establishment is the plantation owner and the overseers, and the Tea Party types are the Negro slaves. The RINOs need them to get what they want, but there is no way they are going to give them any kind of actual power. And taking the possiblity of a 3rd Party off the table is like a slave promising not to run off to a Free State.
That's because they know people like yourself will refuse to learn solutions about how to take the party back.
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Yessir, Massa! I don't want nuttin' to do wit no 3rd Party, Massa!
"Yessah, massa! I don'ts want's to learns nuttin' about 'lectin no precinct committeemen!!"
Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 25, 2014, 11:07:15 PM
Let's break this down to what it is really about. Branding. Name recognition. This isn't any different than a small start up car company trying to compete with the big names. They can't get the funding and they don't have the cash available to compete nationally.
The Tea Party is the strongest of all the "third" parties but it could take decades to match the Republican infrastructure. So what we are doing is trying to carve out a new majority in a party that is centuries old and decades into being Democrat-lite.
And we are succeeding. In fact we are years ahead of where many of us thought we would be. We have matured. We no longer have a knee jerk reaction to anyone who says what we want to hear. (We loved Chris Christie for about a month because he has what we wished all our Reps had. Balls). We are now at a point where we accept that politics plays a big part of it. We have to pick our candidates carefully. Being a true Conservative is great but if you used to be a witch or have a habit of saying really dumb things then we can't have you because you won't get elected. That's reality.
I can't say for sure how long it is going to take but November will let us know. Something is happening and it's not good for the left and Obama is reason. I don't know where we are going over the next two years but when 2017 comes around I can't see the Democrats being an issue. They have marginalized themselves. I'm not sure if we are ready but we are in a better position than ever before and we have the right people to do it.
A cart manufacturer is a great analogy, because the big three have Congress in their pocket, a bit of a reversal to the TEA, where we'e want to be the, so to speak, pocket.
But it's still the same fight, a fixed playing field, with dealerships in all states and mkts carved out accordingly.
Yes, it's exactly what we're trying to do, force a buyout, not a merger.
Threatening the RINO with a start up company is akin to a mosquito on the other side of the screen, she ain't a commin in.
Quote from: taxed on July 26, 2014, 04:40:21 AM
Shocker!
No it isn't. That's silly.
That's because they know people like yourself will refuse to learn solutions about how to take the party back.
"Yessah, massa! I don'ts want's to learns nuttin' about 'lectin no precinct committeemen!!"
Perhaps I have a different outlook on things because I live in Utah.
We used to have a primary system here that allowed the individual a great deal of input to the electoral process, and minimized the influence of "Big Money" - the caucus system.
It was successful in booting RINO Bob Bennett out of the Senate and replacing him with Mike Lee (Yeah).
How did the Republican Party react to that? They started a campaign to change the primary system to a simple popular vote process - called euphemistically the Count My Vote campaign. That would mean that the candidate with the deepest pockets would nearly always win the Republican primaries!
In other word the RINO machine will be able to pick and choose who they want to be our Congressmen and Senators.
It is supported by (surprise, surprise) Mitt Romney, former Utah RINO politicians and just about every labor union in the state including the Utah Educators Association (the NEA of Utah!)
It should be obvious to anyone that the Republican Establishment will destroy the party before they give up power.
-Darth
Quote from: Darth Fife on July 26, 2014, 07:53:13 AM
Perhaps I have a different outlook on things because I live in Utah.
We used to have a primary system here that allowed the individual a great deal of input to the electoral process, and minimized the influence of "Big Money" - the caucus system.
It was successful in booting RINO Bob Bennett out of the Senate and replacing him with Mike Lee (Yeah).
How did the Republican Party react to that? They started a campaign to change the primary system to a simple popular vote process - called euphemistically the Count My Vote campaign. That would mean that the candidate with the deepest pockets would nearly always win the Republican primaries!
In other word the RINO machine will be able to pick and choose who they want to be our Congressmen and Senators.
It is supported by (surprise, surprise) Mitt Romney, former Utah RINO politicians and just about every labor union in the state including the Utah Educators Association (the NEA of Utah!)
It should be obvious to anyone that the Republican Establishment will destroy the party before they give up power.
-Darth
Who elects your delegates?
Quote from: Darth Fife on July 26, 2014, 07:53:13 AM
Perhaps I have a different outlook on things because I live in Utah.
We used to have a primary system here that allowed the individual a great deal of input to the electoral process, and minimized the influence of "Big Money" - the caucus system.
It was successful in booting RINO Bob Bennett out of the Senate and replacing him with Mike Lee (Yeah).
How did the Republican Party react to that? They started a campaign to change the primary system to a simple popular vote process - called euphemistically the Count My Vote campaign. That would mean that the candidate with the deepest pockets would nearly always win the Republican primaries!
In other word the RINO machine will be able to pick and choose who they want to be our Congressmen and Senators.
It is supported by (surprise, surprise) Mitt Romney, former Utah RINO politicians and just about every labor union in the state including the Utah Educators Association (the NEA of Utah!)
It should be obvious to anyone that the Republican Establishment will destroy the party before they give up power.
-Darth
They may not have the power after Nov.
Keep in mind, majority rules, and if TEA pulls even in the party, the rest will follow TEA, giving us majority vote and completely decimating the socialists power they currently hold.
In other words the RINO will literally cease to exist.
Quote from: Solar on July 26, 2014, 08:25:57 AM
They may not have the power after Nov.
Keep in mind, majority rules, and if TEA pulls even in the party, the rest will follow TEA, giving us majority vote and completely decimating the socialists power they currently hold.
In other words the RINO will literally cease to exist.
Hmm... You will always have RINO in my life time. :sad: It would be nice to see them go before I do. :thumbsup:
Quote from: walkstall on July 26, 2014, 08:45:08 AM
Hmm... You will always have RINO in my life time. :sad: It would be nice to see them go before I do. :thumbsup:
Like Marxists, they will always walk among us, but that doesn't mean they'll have any say in the GOP after were through with them.
Quote from: Solar on July 26, 2014, 08:48:29 AM
Like Marxists, they will always walk among us, but that doesn't mean they'll have any say in the GOP after were through with them.
Mother always said don't grow up like Lucifer.
Quote from: Darth Fife on July 26, 2014, 07:53:13 AM
Perhaps I have a different outlook on things because I live in Utah.
We used to have a primary system here that allowed the individual a great deal of input to the electoral process, and minimized the influence of "Big Money" - the caucus system.
It was successful in booting RINO Bob Bennett out of the Senate and replacing him with Mike Lee (Yeah).
How did the Republican Party react to that? They started a campaign to change the primary system to a simple popular vote process - called euphemistically the Count My Vote campaign. That would mean that the candidate with the deepest pockets would nearly always win the Republican primaries!
In other word the RINO machine will be able to pick and choose who they want to be our Congressmen and Senators.
It is supported by (surprise, surprise) Mitt Romney, former Utah RINO politicians and just about every labor union in the state including the Utah Educators Association (the NEA of Utah!)
It should be obvious to anyone that the Republican Establishment will destroy the party before they give up power.
-Darth
One other point about your frustration in Utah. Read the article Taxed posted in the OP:
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/coldwarrior-on-red-state-how-to-take-back-the-rnc/ (http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/coldwarrior-on-red-state-how-to-take-back-the-rnc/)
Get involved, make serious changes, there's no reason to let these scum get away with it any longer.
I'm joining the one in my county.
Quote from: Solar on July 26, 2014, 11:12:22 AM
One other point about your frustration in Utah. Read the article Taxed posted in the OP:
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/coldwarrior-on-red-state-how-to-take-back-the-rnc/ (http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/coldwarrior-on-red-state-how-to-take-back-the-rnc/)
Get involved, make serious changes, there's no reason to let these scum get away with it any longer.
I'm joining the one in my county.
Perhaps you aren't quite understanding. Candidates need to "qualify" in order to be included on the ballot and each state has different ballot access laws. Obviously, a candidate needs to be on the ballot in every state or he/she will never make it. That's the first hurdle.
Secondly, keep in mind that statistically there are approximately 63 million registered Democrats and approximately 47 million registered Republicans and 32 million registered Independents. We have an electoral process with the President and VP being elected by electors not individual votes by voters. Electors are usually pledged to a particular presidential and vice presidential candidates, though unpledged electors are possible.
Thirdly, I am not aware of any 3rd party or 3rd party candidate that would be able to raise enough money to campaign and compete with the money raised by the 2 major parties.
Last, there is no rule that states that the MSM has to allow a candidate to participate in the debates. Ron Paul is a perfect example; even though he was clearly a viable candidate he was omitted from several debates.
So...with all due respect, and as much as I would love to see a 3rd party candidate seated in the White House, it's just not going to happen this election.
Quote from: suzziY on July 26, 2014, 12:03:45 PM
Perhaps you aren't quite understanding. Candidates need to "qualify" in order to be included on the ballot and each state has different ballot access laws. Obviously, a candidate needs to be on the ballot in every state or he/she will never make it. That's the first hurdle.
Secondly, keep in mind that statistically there are approximately 63 million registered Democrats and approximately 47 million registered Republicans and 32 million registered Independents. We have an electoral process with the President and VP being elected by electors not individual votes by voters. Electors are usually pledged to a particular presidential and vice presidential candidates, though unpledged electors are possible.
Thirdly, I am not aware of any 3rd party or 3rd party candidate that would be able to raise enough money to campaign and compete with the money raised by the 2 major parties.
Last, there is no rule that states that the MSM has to allow a candidate to participate in the debates. Ron Paul is a perfect example; even though he was clearly a viable candidate he was omitted from several debates.
So...with all due respect, and as much as I would love to see a 3rd party candidate seated in the White House, it's just not going to happen this election.
That had nothing to do with what I posted, did you accidentally post to me instead Darth?
ooops - my bad.
Quote from: taxed on July 26, 2014, 08:11:42 AM
Who elects your delegates?
This is a pretty good, concise description of the system - it really is a grass roots process, soon to be replaced by a big money process that favors the Republican Establishment:
[iFor most of its history, Utah has used a convention-primary system to nominate candidates for elected office. In the spring of general election years, citizens in small caucus meetings held throughout the state elect delegates to represent them at county and state conventions. At the state conventions, delegates nominate candidates to compete for their party's nomination in the primary election, or, if a candidate receives enough votes, they receive the nomination outright and proceed straight to the general election.[/i]
-Darth
Quote from: Solar on July 24, 2014, 08:09:28 PM
We get a lot of people coming through here touting the wonders of a 3rd party.
But what few seem to realize, is there is 34, 3rd party affiliations in the US.
So in truth, if the TEA were to become an official party, it would be a 35th party.
But if that isn't enough to convince you that it's a completely idiotic idea, how about the fact that it would literally split the GOP and ensure the Marxists retain power.
Are you so angry that you're willing to destroy the country, just to teach the RINO a lesson?
How about redirecting that anger into something constructive, like stealing the GOP for our selves, the TEA.
One other point, the TEA does not have the financial backing that would allow it to be on every state ballot in the Nation, think about that when it comes time to buy TV ads.
For more, go to Ballotpeda.
http://ballotpedia.org/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States (http://ballotpedia.org/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States)
Yes, true there are many many parties in our system. Which is why I grit my teeth every time I hear some talking head on the tube, talking about our two party system.
That said solar, I think that if more people knew that there were many many political parties out there, and that no America is NOT a two party system, that yes they can indeed vote for someone other than just a dim or a rino, then we would see way more support for other choices than just the dims or the repubics.
I mean believe it or not I've actually met, and spoken to Americans who thought we have a two party system, who thought you must vote either Dim or Repub....I've also met some who thought, seriously thought, that they must vote Dim too.
Because of get this, their skin color.
Now hmmm, gee, I wonder who it was that told these individuals and their families that whopper of a lie.
Oh that's right, the Democrats did, back in the sixties in the deep south.
Shocked? I know, I was too when I first learned this. But yep it did happen, Democrat agitators would go down in the deep south during the fifties and sixties, to "register people to vote" only when they would register them, they also would lie to them and tell them that they have to vote Dimocrap all the time, forever.
God love her, took me nearly a week to prove to my neighbor that this wasn't true, that yes she can vote however, and for whomever she wants too.
Quote from: daidalos on July 27, 2014, 05:35:59 PM
God love her, took me nearly a week to prove to my neighbor that this wasn't true, that yes she can vote however, and for whomever she wants too.
She really shouldn't be voting.
Quote from: daidalos on July 27, 2014, 05:35:59 PM
Yes, true there are many many parties in our system. Which is why I grit my teeth every time I hear some talking head on the tube, talking about our two party system.
That said solar, I think that if more people knew that there were many many political parties out there, and that no America is NOT a two party system, that yes they can indeed vote for someone other than just a dim or a rino, then we would see way more support for other choices than just the dims or the repubics.
I mean believe it or not I've actually met, and spoken to Americans who thought we have a two party system, who thought you must vote either Dim or Repub....I've also met some who thought, seriously thought, that they must vote Dim too.
Because of get this, their skin color.
Now hmmm, gee, I wonder who it was that told these individuals and their families that whopper of a lie.
Oh that's right, the Democrats did, back in the sixties in the deep south.
Shocked? I know, I was too when I first learned this. But yep it did happen, Democrat agitators would go down in the deep south during the fifties and sixties, to "register people to vote" only when they would register them, they also would lie to them and tell them that they have to vote Dimocrap all the time, forever.
God love her, took me nearly a week to prove to my neighbor that this wasn't true, that yes she can vote however, and for whomever she wants too.
If I'm not mistaken, there is like three Conservative party's, and one actually calls themselves the Conservative party.
I'm not certain how their platforms vary, but these people really need to merge into one.
This labor day all citizens need to show up in Wash.DC with signs and DEMAND Obama's removal for TREASON!! It's time for a million man march (multi-million citizen)if they can not make it to Washington DC then go to their State capital for the media to see. Signs in hand. Stand up America, it's time to show the multitude of numbers for the disdain of this TRAITOR against our constitution and his flagrant law breaking. Congress needs to see our support for the removal. Lawyers need to have legal paperwork ready to be served while we stand behind them to help enforce. Those who can need to help get this organized. It's way past due.Churches need to help bus people. See ya'll there.
Quote from: Schamblee7 on July 29, 2014, 01:51:33 PM
This labor day all citizens need to show up in Wash.DC with signs and DEMAND Obama's removal for TREASON!! It's time for a million man march (multi-million citizen)if they can not make it to Washington DC then go to their State capital for the media to see. Signs in hand. Stand up America, it's time to show the multitude of numbers for the disdain of this TRAITOR against our constitution and his flagrant law breaking. Congress needs to see our support for the removal. Lawyers need to have legal paperwork ready to be served while we stand behind them to help enforce. Those who can need to help get this organized. It's way past due.Churches need to help bus people. See ya'll there.
Nah... Shun the weasel.
Stay focused on November.
Assembly works best when it catches the MSM off-guard.
Quote from: Schamblee7 on July 29, 2014, 01:51:33 PM
This labor day all citizens need to show up in Wash.DC with signs and DEMAND Obama's removal for TREASON!! It's time for a million man march (multi-million citizen)if they can not make it to Washington DC then go to their State capital for the media to see. Signs in hand. Stand up America, it's time to show the multitude of numbers for the disdain of this TRAITOR against our constitution and his flagrant law breaking. Congress needs to see our support for the removal. Lawyers need to have legal paperwork ready to be served while we stand behind them to help enforce. Those who can need to help get this organized. It's way past due.Churches need to help bus people. See ya'll there.
There's an NCIS marathon running that weekend, but let me know how that goes...
Quote from: Solar on July 27, 2014, 08:14:04 PM
If I'm not mistaken, there is like three Conservative party's, and one actually calls themselves the Conservative party.
I'm not certain how their platforms vary, but these people really need to merge into one.
While I like to consider myself as "independent" as who I will cast a vote for greatly depends on the individual as well as their character or lack thereof as in the case with Obama for example.
I personally would have to say I'm probably closest to a Constitutionalist, as in the Constitutional party (see here: or=red]http://www.constitutionparty.com/#[/color] )
But you are right on Solar. There are many, many many, third parties already existent.
Given that so many parties already do exist clearly the "answer" is not for more parties.
I really believe that the answer to every last "issue" facing our nation today is the judicious use of our vote.
We the people voted ourseleves into the mess our nation is in today.
We can vote our way out of it too.
Granted it will take the rest of your life, and my life, and that of our children and their children too.
But if we as a nation stick with it, stick to our guns.
And insist on only casting our votes in the affirmative when the person seeking high office is one of character, moral conscience, and adherence to our law and our Constitution.
IN PRACTICE while they are in Washington D.C. casting their votes.
Then I truly believe we can vote ourselves out of the mess we have voted ourselves into.
Because, I believe, that is THE only choice we have. The alternatives, an end of our nation, or a fractured nation in the midst of a civil war, are and would be unthinkable.
As bad as our civil war was, and it really was a bad, terrible bloody war.
With the weapons of today, that would look a lovers quarrel.
I'll make a deal and a promise.
If after the dust settles from the November election and the new Congress is sworn in, we find that 1) Republicans still, at least, hold the House, and 2) Boehner is booted out as Speaker, I will believe that there is hope for the Republican Party and you will never hear me mention a 3rd party ever again.
-Darth
Quote from: Darth Fife on July 31, 2014, 12:53:48 PM
I'll make a deal and a promise.
If after the dust settles from the November election and the new Congress is sworn in, we find that 1) Republicans still, at least, hold the House, and 2) Boehner is booted out as Speaker, I will believe that there is hope for the Republican Party and you will never hear me mention a 3rd party ever again.
-Darth
Don't expect immediate change, wrangling for votes in a power struggle could take time, but be assured, when you see the party take a hard RIGHT turn, the writing is on the wall, and it'll be only a matter of time before the purge begins.
Quote from: carlb on July 27, 2014, 06:23:08 PM
She really shouldn't be voting.
Who are you to decide who should and should not be voting? That's HER right, not your privilege that you can dole out and take back when you want to do so.
Quote from: daidalos on July 31, 2014, 03:24:59 PM
Who are you to decide who should and should not be voting? That's HER right, not your privilege that you can dole out and take back when you want to do so.
It's called an OPINION. That's
my RIGHT. And voting is NOT a "right" in the traditional sense of "rights." People who are as stupid as this woman (if she's as stupid as you portray), SHOULDN'T be voting.
The Founders worried about this very problem. Voting is a PRIVILEGE for the
"well informed electorate."
You are fighting a lost battle. The die is cast. The demonized "sequester" was an imaginary cut in the growth of future spending. It was vapor. The US will spend itself into oblivion. Conservatives need to recognize and accept that they are fighting over a carcus. Prepare for the inevitable.
Quote from: RightEdge on August 01, 2014, 10:58:51 PM
You are fighting a lost battle. The die is cast. The demonized "sequester" was an imaginary cut in the growth of future spending. It was vapor. The US will spend itself into oblivion. Conservatives need to recognize and accept that they are fighting over a carcus. Prepare for the inevitable.
I choose THIS path:QuoteIf we wish to be free - if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending - if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained - we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!
They tell us, sir, that we are weak - unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of Hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?
Sir, we are not weak, if we make a proper use of the means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. ...
Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. -- Patrick Henry
Quote from: RightEdge on August 01, 2014, 10:58:51 PM
You are fighting a lost battle. The die is cast. The demonized "sequester" was an imaginary cut in the growth of future spending. It was vapor. The US will spend itself into oblivion. Conservatives need to recognize and accept that they are fighting over a carcus. Prepare for the inevitable.
The only inevitability, will be the removal of socialists from the GOP.
Quote from: Solar on August 02, 2014, 04:19:14 AM
The only inevitability, will be the removal of socialists from the GOP.
Thanks for creating this thread, the last time the moderate Republicans and Constitutionalist Republicans split it was the moderate/RHINO wing that left too form the Bullmoose Party, this split let the Democrats win the subsequent elections. Why follow a already proven failed model?
And where is the data that proves a third party is the answer? Because like OP stated the data suggest clearly third party is exactly the same as committing Seppuku at this point, political suicide for the sake of Honor as a conservative/constitutionalist just so you can say "well I didn't vote for this".
The same foundation that let the Republican Party become a valid new party as a abolitionist conservative party does not exist for a new conservative party as already explained in OP.
And if the destruction of the US is inevitable, then why even fight and not just take Seppuku? It would be more honor in it than whining.
Quote from: Mountainshield on August 04, 2014, 07:51:34 AM
Thanks for creating this thread, the last time the moderate Republicans and Constitutionalist Republicans split it was the moderate/RHINO wing that left too form the Bullmoose Party, this split let the Democrats win the subsequent elections. Why follow a already proven failed model?
And where is the data that proves a third party is the answer? Because like OP stated the data suggest clearly third party is exactly the same as committing Seppuku at this point, political suicide for the sake of Honor as a conservative/constitutionalist just so you can say "well I didn't vote for this".
The same foundation that let the Republican Party become a valid new party as a abolitionist conservative party does not exist for a new conservative party as already explained in OP.
And if the destruction of the US is inevitable, then why even fight and not just take Seppuku? It would be more honor in it than whining.
Exactly MS! It's why the Libertarian movement has always been a failure, because they wanted to claim "well I didn't vote for this".
Why can't some learn from the failures of others?
Quote from: Solar on August 04, 2014, 07:58:45 AM
Exactly MS! It's why the Libertarian movement has always been a failure, because they wanted to claim "well I didn't vote for this".
Why can't some learn from the failures of others?
Absolutely. Let's all promote another third party run by Ralph Nader.
Quote from: supsalemgr on August 04, 2014, 03:03:16 PM
Absolutely. Let's all promote another third party run by Ralph Nader.
That's worked out soooo well over the years. :lol:
Quote from: Mountainshield on August 04, 2014, 07:51:34 AM
Thanks for creating this thread, the last time the moderate Republicans and Constitutionalist Republicans split it was the moderate/RHINO wing that left too form the Bullmoose Party, this split let the Democrats win the subsequent elections. Why follow a already proven failed model?
And where is the data that proves a third party is the answer? Because like OP stated the data suggest clearly third party is exactly the same as committing Seppuku at this point, political suicide for the sake of Honor as a conservative/constitutionalist just so you can say "well I didn't vote for this".
The same foundation that let the Republican Party become a valid new party as a abolitionist conservative party does not exist for a new conservative party as already explained in OP.
And if the destruction of the US is inevitable, then why even fight and not just take Seppuku? It would be more honor in it than whining.
"If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten."
-Tony RobbinsSince the election of Bush 1, we Conservatives have been held hostage by the moderate wing and their political advisers.
They lost what should have been a slam dunk against an unknown Governor from Arkansas. (When was the last time, prior to that, that a popular wartime president ever lost re-election?)
They turned what should have been another slam dunk (Bush v Gore) into a nail biter of an election that almost went to a certifiable nut job!
In 2004, they didn't so much win the election as Kerry's ego lost it for him!
2008, they run a Left of Center Republican in the form of John McCain and in so doing snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory. The only hi point of that campaign was the selection of Sarah Palin as VP - the only time McCain's popularity came close to eclipsing that of Obama. And, guess, what? The Republican Establishment and their political adviser class, to this very day, blame McCain's loss on Palin!
2010, for all intents and purposes, the Republican party was DEAD! Then, this grass roots movement, which we've come to know as the Tea Party, took hold. They ran candidates on the Republican ticket (which I believe was a mistake) and were able to wrest control of the House from the Democrats.
However, did the Republican Establishment see the errors of their ways?
Not bloody likely!
2012, the Republican Establishment and their Political Adviser Class, ran the same damned milquetoast, middle of the road loser the have run since Bush 1 and, surprise, surprise, guess what happened?
An incompetent, scandal ridden, loser of a president who is the architect of the worst economy since the Great Depression, cruised to an easy win over his Republican Challenger. Not only that, but their refusal to support Tea Party candidates, assured us of NOT winning the Senate and actually loosing seats in the House!
And yet, this is the same damned party and the same damned leadership we are supposed to come out again and, like mind numbed robots support again in both 2014 and 2016?
The Republican Establishment has a stranglehold on the party. They have made it clear that they don't like the Tea Party and will only tolerate their presence, as long as it serves to advance their own agenda. There is no way in hell they will ever allow the Tea Party any type of meaningful power within the party.
Just like in the House, Boehner and the boys, hold the power of the purse within the Party. However, unlike the House, the Republican Establishment is not shy about using that power to ensure they get their way!
There will never be the wave of influx of Tea Party Republicans so many of here dream of because the Republican Establishment has proven, via their actions in Mississippi and elsewhere that they will not, repeat not, support those types of candidates. And, in fact, they will actively oppose and subvert Tea Party candidate's campaigns.
The Narcotic Anonymous basic text has this to say about this type of behavior:
Insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results. The Republican Party is one bad drug and the only way to kick it is going cold turkey!
-Darth
If the financial and logistical barriers were removed, would you then be ok with rejecting the 2 party system?
Quote from: Freedom4Ever on August 11, 2014, 04:05:49 PM
If the financial and logistical barriers were removed, would you then be ok with rejecting the 2 party system?
How so?
Quote from: Solar on August 11, 2014, 05:57:50 PM
How so?
Nice name :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: taxed on August 11, 2014, 06:06:51 PM
Nice name :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Kinda rings a bell...Now what was that moniker? Hmmm, I think it was Con 4...something or other. :glare:
Quote from: Solar on August 11, 2014, 06:18:02 PM
Kinda rings a bell...Now what was that moniker? Hmmm, I think it was Con 4...something or other. :glare:
We had a Reagan4ever I think as well...
There is a Ranger4Life on this forum as well. Probably not related to the other(s).
Quote from: quiller on August 12, 2014, 07:16:51 AM
There is a Ranger4Life on this forum as well. Probably not related to the other(s).
He is from our last board we were on, and the sister board also. He comes and goes off and on. But as I remember Ranger4Life is very Conservative. He is a x military Ranger.
Quote from: Darth Fife on August 05, 2014, 08:36:51 AM
"If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten."
-Tony Robbins
Since the election of Bush 1, we Conservatives have been held hostage by the moderate wing and their political advisers.
The Narcotic Anonymous basic text has this to say about this type of behavior: Insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results.
-Darth
The same can be said for third parties, conservatives, constitutionalists and libertarians have tried time and time again running third parties and have always
(at least since after 1864) failed.
It's a reason why the CPA supports the Democratic party instead of running as a third party. Better to infiltrate and change GOP from within than to fight from the outside.
Quote from: Mountainshield on August 20, 2014, 10:49:52 AM
The same can be said for third parties, conservatives, constitutionalists and libertarians have tried time and time again running third parties and have always (at least since after 1864) failed.
It's a reason why the CPA supports the Democratic party instead of running as a third party. Better to infiltrate and change GOP from within than to fight from the outside.
Correct! CPUSA has made amazing inroads into the Dim party, to the point, they got a Marxist elected, he had their full support and they were not afraid to say so.
Quote from: Solar on August 20, 2014, 12:19:03 PM
Correct! CPUSA has made amazing inroads into the Dim party, to the point, they got a Marxist elected, he had their full support and they were not afraid to say so.
Why is it that you consider Obama a Marxist, exactly? I'd say at worst he is a socialist, whereas Marxism and pure Communism are quite a few levels beyond that, in my opinion.
If he was a full socialist he wouldn't be as reticent as he is, he would be constantly demanding press conferences, calling people to action, there are many things he could do if he were truly so ideologically different that the current state of affairs appalled him to his very core. Truthfully his ineffectiveness as a president goes beyond the blockades we have placed around him. Honestly though I am not certain I have seen a truly effective president since after Ronald Reagan. Certainly Bush Jr. changed a lot with his Patriot act, but it was an easy response to unprecedented violence in US soil (other than Pearl Harbor). Truly effective change has to be acceptable to the populace yet unexpected to his peers. Meaning of course, not that the idea has not been thought of, but that it is considered too rash to be worthy of a solid careerist. No, real change isn't done by the ineffectual senators of the late Roman Republic, real EFFECTIVE change is done by the subtle Octavian or the mercurial and straightforward Caesar. Yes Caesar's methods clearly place one's personal safety at somewhat of a risk, and any change can lead to unintended consequences, but only with Direct action can we see ourselves thriving.
Quote from: Aristophanes on August 23, 2014, 10:14:56 PM
Why is it that you consider Obama a Marxist, exactly? I'd say at worst he is a socialist, whereas Marxism and pure Communism are quite a few levels beyond that, in my opinion.
If he was a full socialist he wouldn't be as reticent as he is, he would be constantly demanding press conferences, calling people to action, there are many things he could do if he were truly so ideologically different that the current state of affairs appalled him to his very core. Truthfully his ineffectiveness as a president goes beyond the blockades we have placed around him. Honestly though I am not certain I have seen a truly effective president since after Ronald Reagan. Certainly Bush Jr. changed a lot with his Patriot act, but it was an easy response to unprecedented violence in US soil (other than Pearl Harbor). Truly effective change has to be acceptable to the populace yet unexpected to his peers. Meaning of course, not that the idea has not been thought of, but that it is considered too rash to be worthy of a solid careerist. No, real change isn't done by the ineffectual senators of the late Roman Republic, real EFFECTIVE change is done by the subtle Octavian or the mercurial and straightforward Caesar. Yes Caesar's methods clearly place one's personal safety at somewhat of a risk, and any change can lead to unintended consequences, but only with Direct action can we see ourselves thriving.
You mean aside the fact that he joined a local communist party chapter when running for Senate, or the fact his mentor was a communist, or that all those he associates with were communists?
Oh, I don't know, maybe it's just a hunch...
Are you freakin serious?
If you learn nothing new this year, then take a crack at understanding Fabian Socialism, it's founding, why it was founded and it's end goal.
Then compare it to the communist in the WH and his policies then get back to me, and I'll bet you money, you come back wondering why the media never mentions the obvious.
But I'll save you the trip, they know exactly what he is and have worked damned hard to keep it off the lips of the public.
The simple fact is, the Dim party has been taken over by Marxists, it really is that simple.
Vote TEA!
Question for Solar (since I don't want my Ted Cruz thread "derailed")
I agree with you 100% about 3rd Parties. In fact, I was there before you. But tell me EXACTLY what you're gonna do if Romney or Bush or Christie becomes the Republican nominee? Sit out the election? Vote 3rd Party? Write in a candidate?
In 2008 I made the choice to vote Constitution Party. I still don't regret it, though Obama is still worse than McCain, but McCain is pretty bad. But I didn't despise Romney like you do now. I happily voted for him in 2012 and would do so again, though I want a FIGHTER and not someone to "reach across the isle."
But what will YOU do in 2016 if YOU fail to convince the rest of the country to support YOUR choice?
Quote from: carlb on September 11, 2014, 03:55:44 PM
Question for Solar (since I don't want my Ted Cruz thread "derailed")
I agree with you 100% about 3rd Parties. In fact, I was there before you. But tell me EXACTLY what you're gonna do if Romney or Bush or Christie becomes the Republican nominee? Sit out the election? Vote 3rd Party? Write in a candidate?
In 2008 I made the choice to vote Constitution Party. I still don't regret it, though Obama is still worse than McCain, but McCain is pretty bad. But I didn't despise Romney like you do now. I happily voted for him in 2012 and would do so again, though I want a FIGHTER and not someone to "reach across the isle."
But what will YOU do in 2016 if YOU fail to convince the rest of the country to support YOUR choice?
Write in, absolutely! I think Mitten is a nice guy, probably make good friends, but sadly, he epitomizes RINO, more corporate cronyism, bigger govt and all that entails.
I supported Newt until he said he would do nothing about ethanol/farm/corn subsidies early on.
Point is, stating this early in the game that you'll vote for a RINO regardless, sends the wrong message to the establishment, one I'll call out every time a member concedes defeat, in the same way RINO have always done with the left, which is why we are where we are today.
We're at war for our very way of life, the future of this great Nation rests in the hands of the victor, so either we let the same old shit continue, guaranteeing socialism, or we draw the line and stand our ground and vote TEA.
And if we were to, by some freak chance fail, so be it, we'll still control both houses, that means far more than the Presidency when you have Conservatives kicking ass.
Remember, gridlock can be a good thing.
We're a TEA forum, and nothing less. Keep that in mind when making qualifying statements.
I'm going to piss many of uyou off, but I'm just saying what people are to angry to say... Conservatives are apart of the GOP party. Conservatives believe in the same GOP founding principals the difference between them and RINO's is that the Conservatives believe them so strongly that they act on them. Rino's don't.
Quote from: washington on September 12, 2014, 03:12:21 AM
I'm going to piss many of uyou off, but I'm just saying what people are to angry to say... Conservatives are apart of the GOP party. Conservatives believe in the same GOP founding principals the difference between them and RINO's is that the Conservatives believe them so strongly that they act on them. Rino's don't.
There is no doubt in my mind you have no clue what being a Conservative means.
These RINO are closer the Dims than they are Pubs, they don't give a damn about principles, values, only that they hold onto power and do the bidding of their corporate masters, and piss on the voter.
They don't see the voter as their constituency, because we're not the ones giving them money to campaign, the money to garner votes came from but a few sources, the GOP being one of them, and it was bought off long ago by special interests.
But being just a kid, I wouldn't expect you to have that kind of historical reference to make the connection.
Hell, you're too young to grasp the concept of True Conservative.
Quote from: Solar on September 12, 2014, 04:23:43 AM
There is no doubt in my mind you have no clue what being a Conservative means.
These RINO are closer the Dims than they are Pubs, they don't give a damn about principles, values, only that they hold onto power and do the bidding of their corporate masters, and piss on the voter.
They don't see the voter as their constituency, because we're not the ones giving them money to campaign, the money to garner votes came from but a few sources, the GOP being one of them, and it was bought off long ago by special interests.
But being just a kid, I wouldn't expect you to have that kind of historical reference to make the connection.
Hell, you're too young to grasp the concept of True Conservative.
I told you guys you wouldn't like it... Don't say i didn't warn you. Btw, you already know enough about me after 18 posts to determine I'm not a true conservative? That's actually funny. Way to premature there.
See I don't disagree with you at all. Not with anything you wrote before you got personal with me. See the so called RINO's used to be called conservatives, but they fell away from the GOP true conservative beliefs and simply loved power and tried everything to keep it. Us conservatives are the real GOP and what the GOP was founded on and we believe in our beliefs so strongly that we will sick to our principles and act on them no matter what.
My prediction is on the financial side of conservatism the Rino's will cut government spending and our national debt pretty good. They don't have a choice and their budgets prove they know what they have to do and how drastic it has to be. Also, I foresee a GOP full take over by 2016 of all of congress and the Executive branch and they will undo all this crap and pass slicing and dicing budgets and create more tax payers, which means more revenue and way less debt.
Quote from: washington on September 12, 2014, 05:27:39 AM
I told you guys you wouldn't like it... Don't say i didn't warn you.
And you'd be wrong, my issue is spouting shit you know nothing about. We have a faithful following on this forum, and when some kid comes in touting to be the nail to the hammer, I pound them into the wood.
Again, the only irritant is your misrepresentation of what being a Conservative is.
QuoteBtw, you already know enough about me after 18 posts to determine I'm not a true conservative? That's actually funny. Way to premature there.
To the contrary, being a Conservative means far more than being political, it's a way of life.
QuoteSee I don't disagree with you at all. Not with anything you wrote before you got personal with me.
Nothing personal, I simply showed you why you're wrong, you have no historical reference to base your statements on.
QuoteSee the so called RINO's used to be called conservatives,
This is where you're wrong, the GOP has never been a Conservative party, ever!
Quotebut they fell away from the GOP true conservative beliefs and simply loved power and tried everything to keep it.
Yes, to a point you're correct. There was a time in America that 90% of the Nation was Conservative, so it was easy for the GOP, they merely needed to be the gatekeepers of Capitalism, but as the nation started leaning left, these Polls needed to make more money for campaigns, and as the Dims started attacking Capitalist interests, corporations poured money into GOP coffers and the rest is history.
QuoteUs conservatives are the real GOP and what the GOP was founded on and we believe in our beliefs so strongly that we will sick to our principles and act on them no matter what.
Again, yes an no, the GOP never was principled, which is why they abandoned their base.
QuoteMy prediction is on the financial side of conservatism the Rino's will cut government spending and our national debt pretty good. They don't have a choice and their budgets prove they know what they have to do and how drastic it has to be. Also, I foresee a GOP full take over by 2016 of all of congress and the Executive branch and they will undo all this crap and pass slicing and dicing budgets and create more tax payers, which means more revenue and way less debt.
We're pretty much in agreement, but had it not been for TEA, all would be for naught.
Quote from: Solar on September 12, 2014, 06:17:40 AM
As if I should care?
To the contrary, being a Conservative means far more than being political, it's a way of life.
Nothing personal, I simply showed you why you're wrong, you have no historical reference to base your statements on.
This is where you're wrong, the GOP has never been a Conservative party, ever!
Yes, to a point you're correct. There was a time in America that 90% of the Nation was Conservative, so it was easy for the GOP, they merely needed to be the gatekeepers of Capitalism, but as the nation started leaning left, these Polls needed to make more money for campaigns, and as the Dims started attacking Capitalist interests, corporations poured money into GOP coffers and the rest is history.
Again, yes an no, the GOP never was principled, which is why they abandoned their base.
We're pretty much in agreement, but had it not been for TEA, all would be for naught.
I'm not wrong at all. Also there is plenty of historical information to go on. Look at how many times the republican party has changed since the the Whig party that produced Lincoln. About every 30-40 years it goes through a transition period.
Here I'll make the connection for you. When candidates get to washington political correctness takes over and they abandon their principle. I'm of the belief that the reason why the GOP abandoned principle was because of the power potential they could have and the fear of losing their seats in congress. That's why I'm in favor of shorter congressional terms. Conservatives are human and humans do things like sin or go away from their beliefs for power. History proves this over many thousands of years. The other thing right now that is making it harder is that the establishment has all the campaign funds the majority of the money which is needed to win elections, which means suck up to the establishment. There's very few congressional leaders willing to risk their seats by opposing their own party. In this regard I admire Cruz and paul, but it's not enough to win the Presidency.
I can understand why the conservatives back then became rinos today. This finanical shift will force them more to the right and after this Nov election you will see a very different GOP congress. You'll be saying where was this the last 6 years?!?
Quote from: washington on September 12, 2014, 06:55:35 AM
I'm not wrong at all. Also there is plenty of historical information to go on. Look at how many times the republican party has changed since the the Whig party that produced Lincoln. About every 30-40 years it goes through a transition period.
Here I'll make the connection for you. When candidates get to washington political correctness takes over and they abandon their principle. I'm of the belief that the reason why the GOP abandoned principle was because of the power potential they could have and the fear of losing their seats in congress. That's why I'm in favor of shorter congressional terms. Conservatives are human and humans do things like sin or go away from their beliefs for power. History proves this over many thousands of years. The other thing right now that is making it harder is that the establishment has all the campaign funds the majority of the money which is needed to win elections, which means suck up to the establishment. There's very few congressional leaders willing to risk their seats by opposing their own party. In this regard I admire Cruz and paul, but it's not enough to win the Presidency.
I can understand why the conservatives back then became rinos today. This finanical shift will force them more to the right and after this Nov election you will see a very different GOP congress. You'll be saying where was this the last 6 years?!?
Are you seriously that naive to think these people aren't groomed for the position by huge investors?
That politics! And the GOP is packed full, which is why, "WE" as TEA will for the first time in the party's history, force it to be a Constitutional party, whether they like it or not..
Which is the purpose of this thread, to expose the ignorance in the thought a 3rd party has a shot, because the crony capitalists/socialists have corporate interests backing them, corporations that no longer have Americas best interests at heart, and if that means pushing the nation left, then that's what they'll do.
Capitalist does not equate to Conservative, that's why you're wrong, as referenced to your post below.
Quote from: washington on September 12, 2014, 03:12:21 AM
I'm going to piss many of uyou off, but I'm just saying what people are to angry to say... Conservatives are apart of the GOP party. Conservatives believe in the same GOP founding principals the difference between them and RINO's is that the Conservatives believe them so strongly that they act on them. Rino's don't.
I along with others refused to vote in 2008 for a RINO and voted for the Constitution Party. We wound up with the worst liberal leftist leaning president in the history of the U.S. who's agenda is to bring down this country. In addition, the first two years of his presidency we saw a full Democratic majority. I feel my vote was a mistake as clearly the RNC/GOP establishment didn't get the message ... they backed another RINO in 2012; Romney...and they lost.
Even IF we have a majority in the House and Senate in 2016 it s absolutely no guarantee that they are going to be able to accomplish anything and get past the corruption and veto power of Obama.
If in 2016 I am faced with voting for a RINO or a Democrat I will more than likely vote RINO as I learned the first time and secondly, TEA is getting stronger and I do believe that a RINO in the oval office along with a GOP House and Senate will be "swayed" to lean more to the right.
You also need to consider that in 2018, we face losing either the Senate or House again ... at that point, can we really afford a Democrat in the oval office? No.
Quote from: suzziY on September 13, 2014, 01:46:26 PM
I along with others refused to vote in 2008 for a RINO and voted for the Constitution Party. We wound up with the worst liberal leftist leaning president in the history of the U.S. who's agenda is to bring down this country. In addition, the first two years of his presidency we saw a full Democratic majority. I feel my vote was a mistake as clearly the RNC/GOP establishment didn't get the message ... they backed another RINO in 2012; Romney...and they lost.
Even IF we have a majority in the House and Senate in 2016 it s absolutely no guarantee that they are going to be able to accomplish anything and get past the corruption and veto power of Obama.
If in 2016 I am faced with voting for a RINO or a Democrat I will more than likely vote RINO as I learned the first time and secondly, TEA is getting stronger and I do believe that a RINO in the oval office along with a GOP House and Senate will be "swayed" to lean more to the right.
You also need to consider that in 2018, we face losing either the Senate or House again ... at that point, can we really afford a Democrat in the oval office? No.
Why? There's no difference between the two. Both party's have been pushing us left for decades, so why would you want to keep the status quo?
I'm done, I refuse to vote for another ass hole, it's TEA or nothing.
Keep in mind, this CPF is pushing TEA only. It's our agenda to steal the GOP from the socialists, at all costs.
Quote from: suzziY on September 13, 2014, 01:46:26 PM
I along with others refused to vote in 2008 for a RINO and voted for the Constitution Party. We wound up with the worst liberal leftist leaning president in the history of the U.S. who's agenda is to bring down this country. In addition, the first two years of his presidency we saw a full Democratic majority. I feel my vote was a mistake as clearly the RNC/GOP establishment didn't get the message ... they backed another RINO in 2012; Romney...and they lost.
Even IF we have a majority in the House and Senate in 2016 it s absolutely no guarantee that they are going to be able to accomplish anything and get past the corruption and veto power of Obama.
If in 2016 I am faced with voting for a RINO or a Democrat I will more than likely vote RINO as I learned the first time and secondly, TEA is getting stronger and I do believe that a RINO in the oval office along with a GOP House and Senate will be "swayed" to lean more to the right.
You also need to consider that in 2018, we face losing either the Senate or House again ... at that point, can we really afford a Democrat in the oval office? No.
I should have just posted your response instead. :biggrin:
Quote from: suzziY on September 13, 2014, 01:25:20 PM
Washington you just stated that politics is "half truth" and then you state that Reagan told the truth which made him great. Your predictions have been right about what the past 7-8 years? Your prediction that Obama would be president twice or that Romney and McCain were the GOP candidates makes you a political genius? 8 years is only 2 election cycles - with mid terms in between. I can tell you in a nutshell why the GOP has lost the past two elections ... people are tired of RINO's and a lot of conservatives didn't vote just for the sake of party (as should be). Many are fed up with the establishment on both sides of the fence. Liberals are gullible, uninformed and many are dependent on the same government that is holding them hostage. Yet they voted for those same people time and time again. Many now realize that there is very little difference between the Democrats and RINO's. Even though people tend to vote and react with emotion, fear and greed I think you will begin to see a different voting "trend" using the research available to them and many have opened their eyes as to what is really going on around them. It is very easy to watch the news and become "attached" to the latest propaganda but many have learned not to listen to the MSM. This forum has been wonderful for reminding me of that.
I am not a political genius, but I do know that if we as a country continue to place those in office with little regard for the welfare of this country or its Constitution, our country will collapse. I do know that if we continue not to hold our elected officials responsible our country will collapse.
I believe that our Constitution is the greatest document that was ever written and is the foundation of our Republic. If we continue to deviate from those principles we WILL collapse. We are on the brink and I at this point have only a glimmer of hope that we will even make it to the 2016 elections. Everything is riding on what happens during the 2014 elections and the accomplishment of TEA from that point forward.
So why vote for the very people that enabled the left to achieve their goal?
Quote from: Solar on September 13, 2014, 01:57:04 PM
Why? There's no difference between the two. Both party's have been pushing us left for decades, so why would you want to keep the status quo?
I'm done, I refuse to vote for another ass hole, it's TEA or nothing.
Keep in mind, this CPF is pushing TEA only. It's our agenda to steal the GOP from the socialists, at all costs.
I realize that there is very little difference between Democrats and RINO's that's a given and that we agree upon. I am for Tea, but all I am trying to convey is that in 2008, I and I believe a lot of other conservatives did put our foot down and refused to vote for another RINO asshole and as a result we wound up with Barrak HUSSEIN Obama!
I do not want to see that scenario happen again. The difference I believe from then till now is we do have some TEA in place in and in all probability come November we will have a GOP majority. Soo... my thinking is with some TEA in place even IF a RINO is voted in they will be more "encouraged" to move more to the right, which is a better scenario then handing the oval office to a Democrat.
Wit that being said, I think we need to think a little further ahead ... let's say we stand our ground again refusing only to vote Tea and Tea isn't one of our choices for a presidential candidate and God forbid a Democrat makes it into the oval office (worse case scenario Wigwam Warren); we in 2018 midterms statistically are unlikely to retain the House and Senate both (a lot of House seats will be up for grabs) ... so...we will be right back where we are now ... a Democratic president with only a majority in one of the Houses. It's not working out so well.
I am not by any means pushing anyone other than TEA. I think we need to have a strategy in the event that we don't have a choice of a TEA candidate. If we don't make it in 2016 we certainly don't want to lose momentum by handing the Dems the oval office. We continue to utilize and make the best out of the TEA we have and continue to build on what we have already accomplished. Patience and persistence are key here.
Quote from: suzziY on September 13, 2014, 10:51:58 PM
I realize that there is very little difference between Democrats and RINO's that's a given and that we agree upon. I am for Tea, but all I am trying to convey is that in 2008, I and I believe a lot of other conservatives did put our foot down and refused to vote for another RINO asshole and as a result we wound up with Barrak HUSSEIN Obama!
I do not want to see that scenario happen again. The difference I believe from then till now is we do have some TEA in place in and in all probability come November we will have a GOP majority. Soo... my thinking is with some TEA in place even IF a RINO is voted in they will be more "encouraged" to move more to the right, which is a better scenario then handing the oval office to a Democrat.
Wit that being said, I think we need to think a little further ahead ... let's say we stand our ground again refusing only to vote Tea and Tea isn't one of our choices for a presidential candidate and God forbid a Democrat makes it into the oval office (worse case scenario Wigwam Warren); we in 2018 midterms statistically are unlikely to retain the House and Senate both (a lot of House seats will be up for grabs) ... so...we will be right back where we are now ... a Democratic president with only a majority in one of the Houses. It's not working out so well.
I am not by any means pushing anyone other than TEA. I think we need to have a strategy in the event that we don't have a choice of a TEA candidate. If we don't make it in 2016 we certainly don't want to lose momentum by handing the Dems the oval office. We continue to utilize and make the best out of the TEA we have and continue to build on what we have already accomplished. Patience and persistence are key here.
First off, you need to drop the idea that the Dims will have any power whatsoever, they will not, they are dead in the water!
They just screwed the entire nation, and threw their base off the cliff, they no longer have any support structure, they know it, the LSM knows it, the RINO know it, why is it you're the last to know it?
Point is, with both Houses under our control, there''s absolutely nothing a Dim POTUS could do, but capitulate to the Right, but then that's sprinkling this fantasy with fairy dust and heating it with Unicorn farts, because there is no way in Hell a Dim will be elected in 2016, none, nada, Zip!@
So why in the Hell would you even entertain the idea of sacrificing your ideals and settle for a socialist lite, when you can force the establishment to deal on your terms?
Let me repeat, and let this sink in.
The Dim Party you as you know it, is "DEAD", it will not be resurrected, the nation has rejected the idea of a socialist state, which leaves the Dim party three options, and you tell me which one you think they'll choose.
We know they are hated for the lies, deceit and broken promises, ruined economy, higher energy costs, food, unemployment, illegal invasion etc. right?
So which way will a party that's heads under water and gasping for air turn, will they continue their failed policies of lies, or will they double down on stupid and go full blown Marxist, orr...might they move to the Right?
The answer is, blatantly Right, they have absolutely no other options left, and with that little bit of knowledge, where do you suppose the GOP will move? To the Right of course, and who is on the RIGHT? TEA!!!!
If you'd rather react on emotion instead of critical thinking, then you'll always play the victim and do as your puppet masters in the establishment demand and vote socialist lite, but if you have the guts to think for yourself, stand on principle and values, and turn off the God Damned TV, you'll see what I'm talking about.
Just quit reacting out of fear, that's exactly what both party's want you to do!
Quote from: Solar on September 14, 2014, 05:38:05 AM
First off, you need to drop the idea that the Dims will have any power whatsoever, they will not, they are dead in the water!
They just screwed the entire nation, and threw their base off the cliff, they no longer have any support structure, they know it, the LSM knows it, the RINO know it, why is it you're the last to know it?
Point is, with both Houses under our control, there''s absolutely nothing a Dim POTUS could do, but capitulate to the Right, but then that's sprinkling this fantasy with fairy dust and heating it with Unicorn farts, because there is no way in Hell a Dim will be elected in 2016, none, nada, Zip!@
So why in the Hell would you even entertain the idea of sacrificing your ideals and settle for a socialist lite, when you can force the establishment to deal on your terms?
Let me repeat, and let this sink in.
The Dim Party you as you know it, is "DEAD", it will not be resurrected, the nation has rejected the idea of a socialist state, which leaves the Dim party three options, and you tell me which one you think they'll choose.
We know they are hated for the lies, deceit and broken promises, ruined economy, higher energy costs, food, unemployment, illegal invasion etc. right?
So which way will a party that's heads under water and gasping for air turn, will they continue their failed policies of lies, or will they double down on stupid and go full blown Marxist, orr...might they move to the Right?
The answer is, blatantly Right, they have absolutely no other options left, and with that little bit of knowledge, where do you suppose the GOP will move? To the Right of course, and who is on the RIGHT? TEA!!!!
If you'd rather react on emotion instead of critical thinking, then you'll always play the victim and do as your puppet masters in the establishment demand and vote socialist lite, but if you have the guts to think for yourself, stand on principle and values, and turn off the God Damned TV, you'll see what I'm talking about.
Just quit reacting out of fear, that's exactly what both party's want you to do!
Obviously you and I have a difference of opinion and I certainly hope your prediction for the future is correct and indeed the Democratic party is dead. However, it isn't the damn TV set that has formed my opinion but rather life experiences and interaction with liberal minded people. I work for a large company that has some very liberal minded people with various different clientele as well as I converse in a liberal forum and have tried to open their eyes. Unfortunately the liberal leftist mentality midget mindset is still alive and well and they have their damn heads up where the sun doesn't shine!
You may see the liberals as finally coming to the realization that they screwed the entire nation and themselves, but I see and hear otherwise. The liberals still defend Obama, they still think ISIS is not a threat. They feel I am racist because I am against illegal immigration and am appalled at the kids that are here and our open borders. They view me as anti-Christian and full of hate because I firmly believe in our 2nd amendment rights. They feel that the Benghazi scandal and Fast 'n Furious scandals are nothing more than Republican witch hunts and lies. They believe that Obama pulled us out of Iraq when he did according to some pact Bush made with Iraq! So far, the only issue that some of the liberals have with Obama is that he failed with the VA. I live in the State of Florida our Republican governor who has brought jobs to the area, streamlined the budget and as a result we are now flourishing is up against a Republican (RINO), turned Independent and now turned Democrat and the polls show he is now leading.
So, I stand by my opinion. Yes, I sure as hell hope we will have the opportunity to vote TEA into the White House, but in the event that we don't, I sure as hell am not going to allow my vote to hand the White House to the Democrats; especially IF from 2014-2016 the Republican majority in the House and Senate can't make any headway. I firmly believe that TEA is alive and well but also firmly believe that we need to continue to build upon the accomplishment of TEA this far; basically we need to build from the ground up. With patience and persistence we WILL seat TEA in the oval office.
Quote from: suzziY on September 14, 2014, 07:49:20 AM
Obviously you and I have a difference of opinion and I certainly hope your prediction for the future is correct and indeed the Democratic party is dead. However, it isn't the damn TV set that has formed my opinion but rather life experiences and interaction with liberal minded people. I work for a large company that has some very liberal minded people with various different clientele as well as I converse in a liberal forum and have tried to open their eyes. Unfortunately the liberal leftist mentality midget mindset is still alive and well and they have their damn heads up where the sun doesn't shine!
You may see the liberals as finally coming to the realization that they screwed the entire nation and themselves, but I see and hear otherwise. The liberals still defend Obama, they still think ISIS is not a threat. They feel I am racist because I am against illegal immigration and am appalled at the kids that are here and our open borders. They view me as anti-Christian and full of hate because I firmly believe in our 2nd amendment rights. They feel that the Benghazi scandal and Fast 'n Furious scandals are nothing more than Republican witch hunts and lies. They believe that Obama pulled us out of Iraq when he did according to some pact Bush made with Iraq! So far, the only issue that some of the liberals have with Obama is that he failed with the VA. I live in the State of Florida our Republican governor who has brought jobs to the area, streamlined the budget and as a result we are now flourishing is up against a Republican (RINO), turned Independent and now turned Democrat and the polls show he is now leading.
So, I stand by my opinion. Yes, I sure as hell hope we will have the opportunity to vote TEA into the White House, but in the event that we don't, I sure as hell am not going to allow my vote to hand the White House to the Democrats; especially IF from 2014-2016 the Republican majority in the House and Senate can't make any headway. I firmly believe that TEA is alive and well but also firmly believe that we need to continue to build upon the accomplishment of TEA this far; basically we need to build from the ground up. With patience and persistence we WILL seat TEA in the oval office.
Talking politics with a lib is a fruitless endeavor, they care nothing of facts, only emotion.
With that in mind, why did Hussein sweep into office? Because no one knew anything about him, and two, the media made him out to be the second coming, now consider the 2016 hopefuls, Marxists just like Hussein, except we know a Hell of a lot about their failures, both would continue failed Marxist policy.
Now factor in Hussein's crashing poll numbers. do you seriously think running on his policies is a winning hand, do you see a rock star image in any of the candidates.
Think Suzzi, regardless of what the libs tell you, even they know the left is a failure, so much so, apathy will spread like a cancer after the beating they'll receive in Nov.
What you're seeing is emotional knee jerk responses, it's what libs do, they always reject the Right, but that does not equate to being energized to vote, they have absolutely no one to get behind that has a fresh approach, just like the Right, the RINO never give us anyone to get energized over, so turnout is apathetic at best.
Oh, and you really need to be selective when viewing polls, never ever take them out of hand as correct, look at it's internals, that's where the truth lies.
And FWIW, this is not prediction or hope, this is watching and devouring politics for decades, it's also taking into consideration the enormity of failure of the left and how they angered the country, and why so many on the left are leaving the Dim party for the Libertarian movement, a prediction I made nearly four years ago, based solely on history.
Again, let me reiterate, if you support the RINO, then that's what you'll continue to get, status quo establishment.
Don't miss the opportunity to put a nail in the coffin of the RINO.
Also, keep in mind, you have a huge audience on this forum, thousands daily read these posts, which includes RINO looking for any glimmer of hope that they can run another RINO, and your willingness to toss out your values is exactly the opening they're looking for..
Hint: Don't encourage the enemy.
Quote from: Solar on September 14, 2014, 10:06:43 AM
Talking politics with a lib is a fruitless endeavor, they care nothing of facts, only emotion.
With that in mind, why did Hussein sweep into office? Because no one knew anything about him, and two, the media made him out to be the second coming, now consider the 2016 hopefuls, Marxists just like Hussein, except we know a Hell of a lot about their failures, both would continue failed Marxist policy.
Now factor in Hussein's crashing poll numbers. do you seriously think running on his policies is a winning hand, do you see a rock star image in any of the candidates.
Think Suzzi, regardless of what the libs tell you, even they know the left is a failure, so much so, apathy will spread like a cancer after the beating they'll receive in Nov.
What you're seeing is emotional knee jerk responses, it's what libs do, they always reject the Right, but that does not equate to being energized to vote, they have absolutely no one to get behind that has a fresh approach, just like the Right, the RINO never give us anyone to get energized over, so turnout is apathetic at best.
Oh, and you really need to be selective when viewing polls, never ever take them out of hand as correct, look at it's internals, that's where the truth lies.
And FWIW, this is not prediction or hope, this is watching and devouring politics for decades, it's also taking into consideration the enormity of failure of the left and how they angered the country, and why so many on the left are leaving the Dim party for the Libertarian movement, a prediction I made nearly four years ago, based solely on history.
Again, let me reiterate, if you support the RINO, then that's what you'll continue to get, status quo establishment.
Don't miss the opportunity to put a nail in the coffin of the RINO.
Also, keep in mind, you have a huge audience on this forum, thousands daily read these posts, which includes RINO looking for any glimmer of hope that they can run another RINO, and your willingness to toss out your values is exactly the opening they're looking for..
Hint: Don't encourage the enemy.
Thanks for the info. No, definitely DO NOT want to support a RINO; they are why this country is in the tremendous turmoil we're in. I've written to the RNC and told them I would not vote for a RINO as a RINO will certainly lose again for the third time. I gave them a list of several candidates that certainly would outperform a Bush or a Christie and I am not sending the RNC a dime this time around either unless they get behind TEA.
Quote from: suzziY on September 14, 2014, 11:25:28 AM
Thanks for the info. No, definitely DO NOT want to support a RINO; they are why this country is in the tremendous turmoil we're in. I've written to the RNC and told them I would not vote for a RINO as a RINO will certainly lose again for the third time. I gave them a list of several candidates that certainly would outperform a Bush or a Christie and I am not sending the RNC a dime this time around either unless they get behind TEA.
I will only send money to the person NOT the RNC. It's like give money to the Red Cross or United Good Neighbors when you give to the RNC.
Quote from: walkstall on September 14, 2014, 11:41:59 AM
I will only send money to the person NOT the RNC. It's like give money to the Red Cross or United Good Neighbors when you give to the RNC.
I have donated to both individuals and donated and helped out the RNC several elections ago. They are not worthy. I now only donate to individuals...ya, I learned the hard way awhile ago.
Quote from: suzziY on September 14, 2014, 12:16:24 PM
I have donated to both individuals and donated and helped out the RNC several elections ago. They are not worthy. I now only donate to individuals...ya, I learned the hard way awhile ago.
:thumbsup:
I found at a very young age in my long life, sometimes it's the best way to learn.
You're right. Dems HAVEN'T learned anything from Obama's reign. THEY still hold their views and will support the next liberal to run against our candidate. So far, it looks like Hillary or Warren.
What we do have on our side are the majority of REAL Americans and the HUGE number of "independents." What most Washington elites fail to realize is that the vast majority of these "independents" are former Reagan Republicans (meaning economic AND social) conservatives who just can't bring themselves to call themselves "Republican." You and I are among those.
The Republican elites think these independents can only be reached by "moderating" their views, but these people are sick of the Obama years and are now looking for a candidate who can present a SHARP and distinct CONTRAST -- not Democrat Lite.
OUR duty is to win in the PRIMARY and NEVER give to the RNC -- unless you want THEIR candidate. They have piles of money coming in from sources like the Chamber of Commerce, but there's no reason we should give them one dime.
Quote from: suzziY on September 14, 2014, 07:49:20 AM
Obviously you and I have a difference of opinion and I certainly hope your prediction for the future is correct and indeed the Democratic party is dead. However, it isn't the damn TV set that has formed my opinion but rather life experiences and interaction with liberal minded people. I work for a large company that has some very liberal minded people with various different clientele as well as I converse in a liberal forum and have tried to open their eyes. Unfortunately the liberal leftist mentality midget mindset is still alive and well and they have their damn heads up where the sun doesn't shine!
You may see the liberals as finally coming to the realization that they screwed the entire nation and themselves, but I see and hear otherwise. The liberals still defend Obama, they still think ISIS is not a threat. They feel I am racist because I am against illegal immigration and am appalled at the kids that are here and our open borders. They view me as anti-Christian and full of hate because I firmly believe in our 2nd amendment rights. They feel that the Benghazi scandal and Fast 'n Furious scandals are nothing more than Republican witch hunts and lies. They believe that Obama pulled us out of Iraq when he did according to some pact Bush made with Iraq! So far, the only issue that some of the liberals have with Obama is that he failed with the VA. I live in the State of Florida our Republican governor who has brought jobs to the area, streamlined the budget and as a result we are now flourishing is up against a Republican (RINO), turned Independent and now turned Democrat and the polls show he is now leading.
So, I stand by my opinion. Yes, I sure as hell hope we will have the opportunity to vote TEA into the White House, but in the event that we don't, I sure as hell am not going to allow my vote to hand the White House to the Democrats; especially IF from 2014-2016 the Republican majority in the House and Senate can't make any headway. I firmly believe that TEA is alive and well but also firmly believe that we need to continue to build upon the accomplishment of TEA this far; basically we need to build from the ground up. With patience and persistence we WILL seat TEA in the oval office.
Quote from: suzziY on September 14, 2014, 12:16:24 PM
I have donated to both individuals and donated and helped out the RNC several elections ago. They are not worthy. I now only donate to individuals...ya, I learned the hard way awhile ago.
Exactly what I do. I recently donated to my sheriff's campaign and received a personal call from him thanking me for the contribution.
Quote from: Solar on September 14, 2014, 10:06:43 AM
Again, let me reiterate, if you support the RINO, then that's what you'll continue to get, status quo establishment.
Don't miss the opportunity to put a nail in the coffin of the RINO.
Also, keep in mind, you have a huge audience on this forum, thousands daily read these posts, which includes RINO looking for any glimmer of hope that they can run another RINO, and your willingness to toss out your values is exactly the opening they're looking for..
Hint: Don't encourage the enemy.
Solar, I'm curious as to what you suggest we do or what your plan is for 2016. Both of us live in CA and our primary doesn't occur until June. Last time around Romney had already been declared the winner by the time it got around to us. Of course I can still vote TEA but it seems inconsequential at that point. I was planning to vote in the Democrat primary instead but there was none so I couldn't do that. I cast my vote for the person I liked but it didn't make a difference.
A few years ago I actually considered moving to New Hampshire so that I could have an impact. But then I saw the snow and remembered why I moved to CA. :smile:
Quote from: KBRgirl on September 14, 2014, 12:47:04 PM
Solar, I'm curious as to what you suggest we do or what your plan is for 2016. Both of us live in CA and our primary doesn't occur until June. Last time around Romney had already been declared the winner by the time it got around to us. Of course I can still vote TEA but it seems inconsequential at that point. I was planning to vote in the Democrat primary instead but there was none so I couldn't do that. I cast my vote for the person I liked but it didn't make a difference.
A few years ago I actually considered moving to New Hampshire so that I could have an impact. But then I saw the snow and remembered why I moved to CA. :smile:
:biggrin:
Yeah, closed primary, its the only reason I'm registered Pub, I want to select who enters from the ground up, but if they screw us again, I'm registering "I".
I'll write in, depending on who's left standing. But I know how frustrated you are, they really screwed us by having such a late primary, but it's how the party's have rigged it, to keep a 3rd at bay.
Quote from: Darth Fife on July 26, 2014, 07:53:13 AM
Perhaps I have a different outlook on things because I live in Utah.
We used to have a primary system here that allowed the individual a great deal of input to the electoral process, and minimized the influence of "Big Money" - the caucus system.
It was successful in booting RINO Bob Bennett out of the Senate and replacing him with Mike Lee (Yeah).
How did the Republican Party react to that? They started a campaign to change the primary system to a simple popular vote process - called euphemistically the Count My Vote campaign. That would mean that the candidate with the deepest pockets would nearly always win the Republican primaries!
In other word the RINO machine will be able to pick and choose who they want to be our Congressmen and Senators.
It is supported by (surprise, surprise) Mitt Romney, former Utah RINO politicians and just about every labor union in the state including the Utah Educators Association (the NEA of Utah!)
It should be obvious to anyone that the Republican Establishment will destroy the party before they give up power.
-Darth
Solar is right on the money with this. As part of the republican party the tea party has been able to gain in the house and the senate. By working in the system it becomes a war of attrition that the Tea Party can win over time If they stick to their principles.
If the Tea separated and formed it's own party it would lose a lot of support from life long conservatives that have been in the republican party all their lives and would refuse to move over. The result would be a split in the conservative movement and a weakening of the republican party at a time that we need them to take the country back.
a war of attrition is a long war won by putting up good upstanding conservatives that share the Tea parties beliefs and creating a voting block that the RINO's will have to come to to clear their legislation! Over time the laws being passed will reflect more and more conservatives values if the republicans control both houses of congress!
The Tea Party has come a long way in a very short political lifetime. Don't Kill it by overreaching at the wrong time.
Quote from: walkstall on September 14, 2014, 12:26:17 PM
:thumbsup:
I found at a very young age in my long life, sometimes it's the best way to learn.
Personal experience IS the BEST way to learn.
Quote from: Solar on September 14, 2014, 02:12:55 PM
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Yeah, closed primary, its the only reason I'm registered Pub, I want to select who enters from the ground up, but if they screw us again, I'm registering "I".
I'll write in, depending on who's left standing. But I know how frustrated you are, they really screwed us by having such a late primary, but it's how the party's have rigged it, to keep a 3rd at bay.
So how about for the general election? I think that writing in on that one or voting for an alternate has the same effect as a third party. I will try to keep quiet about this on here, as you've recommended, but I would still rather not allow another socialist (or worse) into office.
Quote from: Solar on September 13, 2014, 01:57:04 PM
Why? There's no difference between the two. Both party's have been pushing us left for decades, so why would you want to keep the status quo?
I'm done, I refuse to vote for another ass hole, it's TEA or nothing.
Keep in mind, this CPF is pushing TEA only. It's our agenda to steal the GOP from the socialists, at all costs.
Too cut and dry! Too simple! I'm not a real Rick Scott fan here in Florida but Crist would be a disaster! Staying home is not an option. Sometime you need to support the least worse option.
Quote from: redbeard on September 14, 2014, 05:38:29 PM
Too cut and dry! Too simple! I'm not a real Rick Scott fan here in Florida but Crist would be a disaster! Staying home is not an option. Sometime you need to support the least worse option.
There really is no comparison between the two. Granted Scott has some baggage but he has done some good for Florida and the economy is turning around. I met Crist several times when he was a Republican and what a hypocritical flip-flopping RINO! Then he turned Independent. Now he's a Democrat. What???? You mean to tell me that people will vote for this whack job for the sake of their party? Hard to believe he even won the primary.
I have lived down here for 20 years and so far Scott has been the best governor we've had. Bush was a disaster and I cringe at the thought of him being my only choice beside a Democrat for president. I'm laughing at myself now because I got into an earlier discussion with Solar saying I'd vote Rino against Democrat if I had to ... but I don't know if I could honestly do it. Argh!!!!
We need TEA!