Of course, if it were me, when people started throwing things at me, I'd leave. I'm kind of funny that way...

"Why are the always people who bring eggs and tomatoes to speeches?"

-The Penguin - Batman Returns

-Darth

Quote from: Darth Fife on May 25, 2013, 06:40:00 AM
Now, this may come as a surprise to you, but there are some people who just don't want to hear your "Christian" message! And just for the record, I didn't watch your video, I watched the one posted by Solar.

I don't recall anywhere in the law of the land where it says Darth Fife has a specific right not to be offended. Where anyone who says things he doesn't want to here, should be silenced by "right thinking" mobs.

Quote from: mdgiles on May 25, 2013, 10:27:43 AM
I don't recall anywhere in the law of the land where it says Darth Fife has a specific right not to be offended. Where anyone who says things he doesn't want to here, should be silenced by "right thinking" mobs.

Um, where did I say I was offended?

For myself, I love listening to street preachers! Their understanding of the Gospels they are preaching is usually a mile wide...

and a foot deep!

-Darth

Man we wandered all over the map on this one.  We have free speech but when we get in someones face they may decide you are too close and push back.  Westboro Baptist are so far out of line, in my opinion, for what they do at funerals but don't deserved to be assualted  However have said that, when you come on my property the right you have are the one I chose to let you have.  Don't mess with me on a bad day.

Quote from: Darth Fife on May 25, 2013, 10:38:21 AM
Um, where did I say I was offended?

For myself, I love listening to street preachers! Their understanding of the Gospels they are preaching is usually a mile wide...

and a foot deep!

-Darth

The people you're attacking in Dearborn are NOTHING like the SHOUTING street preachers you're talking about now. And even less like the Westboro kooks. If you would ever take 10 minutes and listen to the videos you obviously haven't watched, you'd see they were talking to the Muslim Arabs, not SHOUTING in the street.

There can be no conversation when you won't listen but only condemn what you clearly didn't see or hear.

All this energy you're wasting attacking the Christians for TALKING and no condemnation for the angry Muslim mob and their ASSAULT is what I'm seeing with you. Why so much HATE for peaceful Christians and so much empathy for those who'd be happy to slice your throat?

Ahem...

If you watched the video that Solar put up, which is the one I was watching at 1:19 it has a caption where the guy is talking to the cop. The caption says, Ruben Israel, Officialstreetpreachers (and the rest finishes off a URL which I wont post so as not to run a foul of forum rules)

If you look closely in the background, you will see a sign that says something about "The Lake of Fire".

Look these Arab/Muslims weren't bothering anybody. They were minding there own business. But theses moron felt that they just had to insert themselves into the event and ruin the day for everybody. Again. I don't think you would take it very kindly if you church was having a picnic in a public park and a bunch of self righteous Muslims crashed the party with cameras and started filming everybody and telling you how you were all going to go to hell because you don't believe in Mohammed and the Koran!

As I have said before, if anyone of the Acts 17 Apologetics street preachers wants to file criminal charges, I believe they have every right to do so.

However, even though the have video evidence on their side, they chose not to file criminal charges. They chose to file civil charges and against who? Not the Arab/Muslims who were holding the fair, but the cops and the city!

Now why do you think that is?

Because the police department and the city have "deeper pockets"! They can just dip in to the taxpayer's pocket to pay whatever judgement they end up with!

They were looking for an incident, so they could file a law suit - and they got it.

They are no better than the Westboro Baptist Church.

-Darth

Quote from: Darth Fife on May 24, 2013, 05:03:19 PM
Can we be reasonable here?

These morons from Acts 17 Apologetics had no damned business invading that Arab Festival! They were looking for a confrontation and they got one!

How would they like it if a bunch of Muslims invaded a Christian Church picnic and started preaching the Koran and trying to convert Christians to Islam?

In my opinion, if the article Yawn quoted is correct, the Acts 17 group got much better than they deserved!

-Darth

Yes lets be reasonable here, and point out that it is whooly unreasonable to sit back attempting to justify mob violence perpetuated by mooooslims because they  disagree with or otherwise don't like the message of another group.

I"m just curious here, but when was our first amendment changed to reflect violent sequestration as an acceptable means of discourse in this nation and not assault?

Quote from: daidalos on May 25, 2013, 06:49:03 PM
Yes lets be reasonable here, and point out that it is whooly unreasonable to sit back attempting to justify mob violence perpetuated by mooooslims because they  disagree with or otherwise don't like the message of another group.

I"m just curious here, but when was our first amendment changed to reflect violent sequestration as an acceptable means of discourse in this nation and not assault?

Okay, junior!

The next time you and your family go for an outing in the park, I and a couple of my friends will show up with signs that say your are GOING TO HELL if you don't convert to Islam (I"m not a muslim, BTW, just using it as an example) Well will push our cameras and microphones in your face and when you try to leave, we will surround you and keep filming you when you tell us to stop.

We'll keep doing that until somebody calls the cops and then when the cops show up and arrest us, we will sue the city for violating our civil rights!

-Darth

Quote from: Darth Fife on May 25, 2013, 07:00:05 PM
Okay, junior!

The next time you and your family go for an outing in the park, I and a couple of my friends will show up with signs that say your are GOING TO HELL if you don't convert to Islam (I"m not a muslim, BTW, just using it as an example) Well will push our cameras and microphones in your face and when you try to leave, we will surround you and keep filming you when you tell us to stop.

We'll keep doing that until somebody calls the cops and then when the cops show up and arrest us, we will sue the city for violating our civil rights!

-Darth

After reading through this thread, I still don't get your point, other than it's OK for a group that hates our culture, that has no interest is assimilating, or following our laws.
So you're advocating hate over dialogue, is that what you're saying?

Keep in mind, this is an public event on a public street open to everyone, not just the enemy, an enemy hell bent on destroying our culture.

Is your hatred of Christians so strong, that you are actually willing to take the side of THE ENEMY?

Quote from: Solar on May 27, 2013, 07:16:12 AM
After reading through this thread, I still don't get your point, other than it's OK for a group that hates our culture, that has no interest is assimilating, or following our laws.
So you're advocating hate over dialogue, is that what you're saying?

Keep in mind, this is an public event on a public street open to everyone, not just the enemy, an enemy hell bent on destroying our culture.

Is your hatred of Christians so strong, that you are actually willing to take the side of THE ENEMY?

I don't hate Christian, you should know me better than that.

What I do hate are people who use Christianity as a shield for acting in a way that would otherwise be considered obnoxious and disgusting. The Acts 17 Apologetics where not concerned about preaching the word of God to Muslims, they were all about intentionally causing an incident that they could exploit to their own benefit.

This Arab Festival was no different than any other of the many ethnic festivals held across the country - Greek Festivals, Italian Festivals, Jewish Festivals.

These Muslims were not bothering anybody  - they were minding their own  business. If the Acts 17 Apologetics had done the same thing, there would have been no problem at all - but that didn't fit with the Acts 17 morons agenda!

Again, would you be as outraged if a bunch of Neo-NAZIs had invaded a Jewish Heritage street festival preaching the "Good News" of Uncle Adolf?

Did you even read any of the police report I posted? These guys were acting like assholes! They went around sticking video cameras, and microphones in peoples faces. They refused to stop filming when they were asked to and kept badgering private individals about how Islam was a false religion and if they didn't convert they were all going to Hell!

Hell! If someone did that to me, I'd start throwing things at them too!

Now, tell me, honestly, if Muslims did that to you and your family on a public outing, would you have at least called the cops?

I know damned well I would!

-Darth

Where was all this 'freedom of speech' and first amendment stuff when the Muslim Mosque was being built a few blocks away from ground zero ?

Absolutely no consistency.

  " Them Christians just don't know their place! They gotta quit talking about their faith to non-christians 'cause that bothers me!"

Quote from: Darth Fife on May 27, 2013, 07:37:43 AM
I don't hate Christian, you should know me better than that.

What I do hate are people who use Christianity as a shield for acting in a way that would otherwise be considered obnoxious and disgusting. The Acts 17 Apologetics where not concerned about preaching the word of God to Muslims, they were all about intentionally causing an incident that they could exploit to their own benefit.

This Arab Festival was no different than any other of the many ethnic festivals held across the country - Greek Festivals, Italian Festivals, Jewish Festivals.

These Muslims were not bothering anybody  - they were minding their own  business. If the Acts 17 Apologetics had done the same thing, there would have been no problem at all - but that didn't fit with the Acts 17 morons agenda!

Again, would you be as outraged if a bunch of Neo-NAZIs had invaded a Jewish Heritage street festival preaching the "Good News" of Uncle Adolf?

Did you even read any of the police report I posted? These guys were acting like assholes! They went around sticking video cameras, and microphones in peoples faces. They refused to stop filming when they were asked to and kept badgering private individals about how Islam was a false religion and if they didn't convert they were all going to Hell!

Hell! If someone did that to me, I'd start throwing things at them too!

Now, tell me, honestly, if Muslims did that to you and your family on a public outing, would you have at least called the cops?

I know damned well I would!

-Darth

QuoteDid you even read any of the police report I posted? These guys were acting like assholes!

According to the COURTS, the cops weren't being honest.  It was obvious to the rest of us from the videos.

Quote from: redlom xof on May 27, 2013, 07:49:39 AM
Where was all this 'freedom of speech' and first amendment stuff when the Muslim Mosque was being built a few blocks away from ground zero ?

Absolutely no consistency.

Building a mosque is a zoning issue. Not free speech. I may not be able to build a church in your residential neighborhood. I do wonder if the Founders would agree with the Left or the Libertarian that Freedom of religion applies to any religion that advocates the murder of those who refuse to convert.

The Founders (specifically TJ) had to deal with these barbarians. That is the origin of the Marines.

So are you saying that Muslims shouldn't get the protection of the 1st amendment ? ( I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, I'm really asking)

Quote from: Darth Fife on May 25, 2013, 06:40:49 PM
Ahem...

If you watched the video that Solar put up, which is the one I was watching at 1:19 it has a caption where the guy is talking to the cop. The caption says, Ruben Israel, Officialstreetpreachers (and the rest finishes off a URL which I wont post so as not to run a foul of forum rules)

If you look closely in the background, you will see a sign that says something about "The Lake of Fire".

Huh? Is that the best you have?  Someone is offended that someone else says "REPENT, or face the Lake of Fire" and that justifies VIOLENCE in your mind??

In other words, Free Speech is okay as long as you don't offend anyone.  Well guess what? Your words offend me.

To be honest, I quit reading your responses ("I know what spirit you're of") because you're so damn predictable. I started reading a few today. It's an eye-opener!