Quote from: Yawn on May 24, 2013, 04:27:29 PM
Huh?  Are we talikg about the same thing? Here's what the Detroit Free Press Said recently:

  I'm quoting myself, and then answering myself 

NOW I see the problem. Your artile is from June 2012. It's since been appealed, and the Christians won (Praise Allah!)


Christians stoned by American Muslims in Dearborn as police watch

    June 26, 2012
    By: Joe Newby

Quote from: Solar on May 24, 2013, 05:52:48 PM
Apples and oranges, not even in the same context.

Actions have consequences.  Good sense would dictate the KKK not go there (even to exercize their Consitutionally guanteed Rights). No doubt appropriate arrests would (or certainly should) be made. 

Quote from: Yawn on May 24, 2013, 06:11:55 PM
  I'm quoting myself, and then answering myself 

NOW I see the problem. Your artile is from June 2012. It's since been appealed, and the Christians won (Praise Allah!)


Christians stoned by American Muslims in Dearborn as police watch

    June 26, 2012
    By: Joe Newby

My article says May 15, 2013 when I click the link    Now I am beginning to wonder if the article I posted about was the "other group" mentioned in your article that was going to court in Detriot later???  Not sure, they don't mention a name, but if it was resolved, AMEN. 

As an aside, I DO NOT agree with baiting Muslims (like the boars head) but I don't think the police should allow the Muslims to stone those they don't agree with because of it.

Quote from: Yawn on May 24, 2013, 06:11:55 PM
  I'm quoting myself, and then answering myself 

NOW I see the problem. Your artile is from June 2012. It's since been appealed, and the Christians won (Praise Allah!)


Christians stoned by American Muslims in Dearborn as police watch

    June 26, 2012
    By: Joe Newby

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So are you trying to equate Christians as KKK?
See how ludicrous that sounds...

Quote from: Solar on May 24, 2013, 06:51:52 PM
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So are you trying to equate Christians as KKK?
See how ludicrous that sounds...

No. Why would you say that?

I was referring to JustKari's original post and my immediate response.

1) Her article said the Christian group lost.

2) I responded by posting an article from the Detroit Free Press which said the Christian group WON and was awarded a large sum of money by the City of Dearborn.

3) The discrepancy was due to the fact that JustKari's article was a year old. Mine was CURRENT.

Nothing I posted has anything to do with the KKK. I'm at a loss as to how you reached that conclusion.

Quote from: JustKari on May 24, 2013, 06:49:48 PM

As an aside, I DO NOT agree with baiting Muslims (like the boars head) but I don't think the police should allow the Muslims to stone those they don't agree with because of it.

I agree in principle, and it's NOT the "Christian thing to do," but we live in a country where we are told that burning the American flag is protected free speech. Muslims do it everywhere and we're told they have that right.  If that's true, we are doing them a disservice if we don't treat them equally. If they burn our flag and our Bible, they can't complain if we burn their Koran (it deserves to be burned) or show up with a pig's head (I would never do that out of respect for the pig--and I'm serious).  I think it is morally wrong to antagonize and intentionally provoke any group (proselytizing doesn't count) but it's NOT illegal. Stoning someone over words is.

Quote from: Yawn on May 24, 2013, 07:05:36 PM
No. Why would you say that?

I was referring to JustKari's original post and my immediate response.

1) Her article said the Christian group lost.

2) I responded by posting an article from the Detroit Free Press which said the Christian group WON and was awarded a large sum of money by the City of Dearborn.

3) The discrepancy was due to the fact that JustKari's article was a year old. Mine was CURRENT.

Nothing I posted has anything to do with the KKK. I'm at a loss as to how you reached that conclusion.

My bad, I was responding to Peter.

QuoteActions have consequences.  Good sense would dictate the KKK not go there (even to exercize their Consitutionally guanteed Rights). No doubt appropriate arrests would (or certainly should) be made.

Quote from: AndyJackson on May 24, 2013, 05:31:19 PM
You're digging that liberal hole deeper and deeper.

First the juvenile fake comparison....Nazis invading Jews, yeah, that's a perfect comparison.

Then the whiny victimhood......"evil muslims" which nobody said.

Did you miss the part about calling the cops and having them arrested for disturbing the peace  ?

I'm sure you'd take the exact same position for Christians pounding on muslims....yeah, uh-huh, sure.

lol, I guess you also missed that Theo Van Gogh thing, and the mayhem for cartoons or videos.......and the fact that nobody gets hurt for putting a crucifix in piss, or dung on Mary.  Yup, we're all picking on the muslims for no reason.

I smell a stealth muslim, or at least a stealth surrenderer.

First, where did I ever say that it was okay for Muslim to pound on Christians? And yes, I would (and have) taken the same position when Muslims have committed acts of violence against Christians (and atheists for that matter). You might be unfamiliar with the term but it is called being consistent.

If (and that is a big word, if) there were any acts of violence committed against the Acts 17 morons, I would be 100% them in filing criminal and civil charges against anyone who committed those assaults. The fact that there were 1) no criminal charges filed and 2) the only charges filed were civil ones against the police and the city tipped me off that there was more to this story than was being reported.

Here is an excerpt from the police report of the incident:

While inside the command trailer during Arabfest, Sgt Mrowka, Ofc Smith and I were notified by Roger Williams (festival volunteer) that he had just been harassed by a film crew and Amal Alslami had witnessed the incident.

Williams stated a film crew began recording him doing his festival duties. He advised the subjects (later identified as Negeen Mayel, Nabeel Qureshi, David Wood, and Paul Rezkalla) that he did not want to be filmed and told them to stop. Williams stated that they did not stop and instead, began to surround him. He added that he felt extremely uncomfortable and thought he could not leave although he attempted to several times. They continued to pester him and badger him with questions and continued filming. Williams again told them to stop filming. Qureshi and Wood, as well as Rezkalla, finally put down the microphone and camcorder to speak with him, but he noticed Mayel still filming within hearing distance. He radioed to security for assistance and the parties soon left. He advised Alslami that he wished to make a formal complaint with the police.

I relayed the information to Sgt Mrowka and he advised us to arrest all parties involved for Breach of Peace. Ofc Micallef, Ofc Ballard, Ofc Smith, and I located Qureshi, Wood, and Rezkalla in the center of another large crowd in the middle of the two tents. When we advised them to turn their camcorders off and they were under arrest for Breach of Peace, they were hesitant but eventually complied.

En route to the station, Qureshi, Wood and Rezkalla asked me about the allegations. I explained they were under arrest for breach of peace and explained the allegation against them. Without questioning, they stated that they never "surrounded" Williams.

They weren't "pounded on by Muslims".

They weren't "arrested for preaching the Gospel to Muslims".

The were arrested for disturbing the peace, because that is exactly what they were doing! If I were there and I was a cop, I would have arrested them myself!

They were arrested for being jerks!

It is simple-minded, uninformed bigots like you who are the source of so much needless hatred in this world.

-Darth

Quote from: Darth Fife on May 24, 2013, 05:18:22 PM

The Acts 17 group is just a bunch of trouble makers looking to make headlines for themselves.

-Darth

Muslims are just a bunch of trouble makers looking to make headlines for themselves in the name of Islam.

This is the truth of the matter regardless of what you think or say.

Common sense should tell you that Muslims continuously make news around the world with their habitual violence (including bombings, public be-headings, and other barbaric acts). Just a glance at the news will prove this on just about any given day.

The fact is that Muslims love violence. This is what their perverted "religion" is all about: violence, violence, and more violence.


Muslims become violent when someone says something they dislike.

Muslims become violent when women attempt to recognize their equal rights has human beings.

Muslims become violent if people attempt to shun their barbaric and violent religion.

Muslims react with violence when their women "allow" themselves to be raped by a male outside of their family (this, in and of itself, might explain exactly why these people are so strange...).

Muslims become violent over any excuse on the planet.

Meanwhile, civilized cultures and religions abandoned such barbaric behavior at the end of the Dark Ages.

Civilized people, cultures, and religions do not react with violence over non-violent verbal actions of others.

Quote from: Telmark on May 25, 2013, 04:22:09 AM
Muslims are just a bunch of trouble makers looking to make headlines for themselves in the name of Islam.

This is the truth of the matter regardless of what you think or say.

Common sense should tell you that Muslims continuously make news around the world with their habitual violence (including bombings, public be-headings, and other barbaric acts). Just a glance at the news will prove this on just about any given day.

The fact is that Muslims love violence. This is what their perverted "religion" is all about: violence, violence, and more violence.


Muslims become violent when someone says something they dislike.

Muslims become violent when women attempt to recognize their equal rights has human beings.

Muslims become violent if people attempt to shun their barbaric and violent religion.

Muslims react with violence when their women "allow" themselves to be raped by a male outside of their family (this, in and of itself, might explain exactly why these people are so strange...).

Muslims become violent over any excuse on the planet.

Meanwhile, civilized cultures and religions abandoned such barbaric behavior at the end of the Dark Ages.

Civilized people, cultures, and religions do not react with violence over non-violent verbal actions of others.

Judging the actions of peaceful Muslims in America based on the actions of Radical Muslims in the Middle East is like judging the actions of mainstream Christians in America based on the actions of the members of the Westboro Baptist Church.

I based by assessment of this incident on the official report made by the non-Muslim officers on the scene.

What are you basing your assessment of it on?

-Darth

Quote from: Darth Fife on May 25, 2013, 03:45:09 AM
First, where did I ever say that it was okay for Muslim to pound on Christians? And yes, I would (and have) taken the same position when Muslims have committed acts of violence against Christians (and atheists for that matter). You might be unfamiliar with the term but it is called being consistent.

If (and that is a big word, if) there were any acts of violence committed against the Acts 17 morons, I would be 100% them in filing criminal and civil charges against anyone who committed those assaults. The fact that there were 1) no criminal charges filed and 2) the only charges filed were civil ones against the police and the city tipped me off that there was more to this story than was being reported.

Here is an excerpt from the police report of the incident:

While inside the command trailer during Arabfest, Sgt Mrowka, Ofc Smith and I were notified by Roger Williams (festival volunteer) that he had just been harassed by a film crew and Amal Alslami had witnessed the incident.

Williams stated a film crew began recording him doing his festival duties. He advised the subjects (later identified as Negeen Mayel, Nabeel Qureshi, David Wood, and Paul Rezkalla) that he did not want to be filmed and told them to stop. Williams stated that they did not stop and instead, began to surround him. He added that he felt extremely uncomfortable and thought he could not leave although he attempted to several times. They continued to pester him and badger him with questions and continued filming. Williams again told them to stop filming. Qureshi and Wood, as well as Rezkalla, finally put down the microphone and camcorder to speak with him, but he noticed Mayel still filming within hearing distance. He radioed to security for assistance and the parties soon left. He advised Alslami that he wished to make a formal complaint with the police.

I relayed the information to Sgt Mrowka and he advised us to arrest all parties involved for Breach of Peace. Ofc Micallef, Ofc Ballard, Ofc Smith, and I located Qureshi, Wood, and Rezkalla in the center of another large crowd in the middle of the two tents. When we advised them to turn their camcorders off and they were under arrest for Breach of Peace, they were hesitant but eventually complied.

En route to the station, Qureshi, Wood and Rezkalla asked me about the allegations. I explained they were under arrest for breach of peace and explained the allegation against them. Without questioning, they stated that they never "surrounded" Williams.

They weren't "pounded on by Muslims".

They weren't "arrested for preaching the Gospel to Muslims".

The were arrested for disturbing the peace, because that is exactly what they were doing! If I were there and I was a cop, I would have arrested them myself!

They were arrested for being jerks!

It is simple-minded, uninformed bigots like you who are the source of so much needless hatred in this world.

-Darth

Watch the video and show me those peaceful Muscum you claim live here in America.
http://www.examiner.com/video/american-muslims-stone-christians-dearborn-mi-original-edit

Quote from: Darth Fife on May 25, 2013, 05:26:14 AM
Judging the actions of peaceful Muslims in America based on the actions of Radical Muslims in the Middle East is like judging the actions of mainstream Christians in America based on the actions of the members of the Westboro Baptist Church.

I based by assessment of this incident on the official report made by the non-Muslim officers on the scene.

What are you basing your assessment of it on?

-Darth

Probably the STONING and the VIOLENCE of the Muslim MOB against the Christians because they didn't like the WORDS of the Christians in "Muslim Land" (Dearborn).  Wake up man!  You clearly didn't watch the video.

Arab Festival 2010: David Wood's Arrest in Dearborn

I see some eggs, nerf frisbees and some empty water bottles taking to the air, but I don't see anyone getting "stoned" by Muslims. Considering the in-your-face attitude of the "Street Preachers", and the disgusting things they were saying, I thought the crowd was remarkable well behaved.

However, I would like to thank you for confirming my suspicions about this Acts 17 Apologetics group of losers. They, apparently are cut from the same cloth as the Westboro Baptist Church.

-Darth

You didn't have time to watch the video I posted before you reacted.  You call any Christian sharing his faith, a TROUBLE MAKER?The Arab Christian TALKING to the young Arab boys gives a response here:

Nabeel Qureshi on Arab Festival 2010: Response to Mayor of Dearborn

Funny how you see "VIOLENCE" in a Christian man SHARING his faith with nonbelievers! You make HIM a bad guy, while you defend stone throwing Muslims!

Now make excuses for the mad London Muslim and tell us he was "provoked" by the existence of Westerners in London!  That seems to be your mindset!

Quote from: Yawn on May 25, 2013, 06:24:50 AM
You didn't have time to watch the video I posted before you reacted.  You call any Christian sharing his faith, a TROUBLE MAKER?

Now, this may come as a surprise to you, but there are some people who just don't want to hear your "Christian" message! And just for the record, I didn't watch your video, I watched the one posted by Solar.

BTW did you miss the part where the cop told the guy that since he had the incident on tape, he was welcome to file a complaint and they would arrest the suspect?

Did they file a complaint?

No.

One wonders why not?

-Darth