Quote from: TowardLiberty on February 18, 2014, 02:54:30 PM
Where you see success I see Roman style tyranny heading toward an epic collapse.

I guess that is what separates us.

Obviously a system of polycentric law, which lacks a law monopolist, would not have the same institutional features as a republican form of government. Therein lies an answer to your question.

What makes you so certain your Utopian dream would be anymore successful?
You continue to discount human nature, the need to dominate.

Quote from: Solar on February 18, 2014, 03:12:34 PM
What makes you so certain your Utopian dream would be anymore successful?
You continue to discount human nature, the need to dominate.

How many examples of horizontal legal systems flourishing do we need to read about in history, or be aware of in existence today, to know that it is possible to have a decentralized and reciprocal form of order?

I am not discounting human nature. I am accounting for it. Something followers of Hobbes cannot do.

Quote from: TowardLiberty on February 18, 2014, 03:23:30 PM
How many examples of horizontal legal systems flourishing do we need to read about in history, or be aware of in existence today, to know that it is possible to have a decentralized and reciprocal form of order?

I am not discounting human nature. I am accounting for it. Something followers of Hobbes cannot do.

Sorry TL, you're living in a fantasy if you believe your system won't fail, all Govts fail at some point or another.

Quote from: Solar on February 18, 2014, 03:33:32 PM
Sorry TL, you're living in a fantasy if you believe your system won't fail, all Govts fail at some point or another.

I wouldn't get begin to predict what would or wouldn't happen in the long run.

I only know from history that it is possible to have order, and keep it, without a government.

There is nothing fantastic about that.

Quote from: TowardLiberty on February 19, 2014, 07:14:35 AM
I wouldn't get begin to predict what would or wouldn't happen in the long run.

I only know from history that it is possible to have order, and keep it, without a government.

There is nothing fantastic about that.

TL, I agree, your Utopian system would be great, I'd love to see a nation do it, but I'm also a realist in that human nature is to control ones environment, and that my friend is reality.
Like all systems, they never ever remain as planned, that's the flaw, there is no perfect solution to any problem where humans are involved.

Quote from: Solar on February 19, 2014, 07:41:40 AM
TL, I agree, your Utopian system would be great, I'd love to see a nation do it, but I'm also a realist in that human nature is to control ones environment, and that my friend is reality.
Like all systems, they never ever remain as planned, that's the flaw, there is no perfect solution to any problem where humans are involved.

A couple points.

In light of the history of customary law and horizontal orders, the word "utopian" is indefensible.

You are correct that nothing remains as planned and there is no perfect solution, THAT is why the central authority cannot order society. THAT is why a polycentric order is superior.

Decentralized and horizontal orders have the degrees of freedom to rationally adjust and adapt in a dynamic way.