Really? Then what do you call organizing an assault by lib forum?
And folks, don't feel you need to lower yourself by doing the same to their forum, they're just a bunch of idiot kids, though I give credence to the admin for chastising them for being so damn stupid.
QuoteQuote from: JRP1990 on February 15, 2014, 02:13:46 AM
I have neither the time, the patience, nor the inclination, to exert the effort required to dignify such condescending and baseless accusations with a response, except to say this: If you think I'm shilling/trolling, you don't know what shilling/trolling is.
I have spent some time in hell. Hell being defined as a place without reason. That hell is The Conservative Political Forum.
http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/ (http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/)
This is as close to a Monty Python parody as you will get in the political world. The denizens of this forum literally believe that Obama is a Marxist, Socialist Muslim, that the 2008 AND 2012 elections were stolen, that ALL the polls are biased against Republicans, and that the Tea Party is an unstoppable force in national politics. They reject the notion that one can be too conservative.
If any of you want some fun, please join me in presenting them with rational thought and fact. It's quite funny to see how they react!
http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=187453.0 (http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=187453.0)
JRP, I'm sure you're a nice kid, but you're still a kid wet behind the ears, an apprentice in life, one with all the tools yet no knowledge of how they're used.
You really need to listen to us when we tell you the truth and what is happening to the country is dire and on the verge of no return, and yes, Obozo is a Marxist, something that's been proven on this forum many times, yet you live in denial.
This is what I mean by having all the tools at your disposal and not knowing how to use them, that only comes with age acquired wisdom and the ability of hindsight relative to history.
Definition of shill: A decoy who acts as an enthusiastic customer in order to stimulate the participation of others.....
Whatever happened to that masturbator master debater "Bismarck Revivalist?"
Was he a shill?
Quote from: actionblock on February 15, 2014, 06:44:10 AM
Whatever happened to that masturbator master debater "Bismarck Revivalist?"
Was he a shill?
Quit. Think Manfred von Richtofen going down in a fiery spiral. Mean old conservatives, who absolutely MUST be picking on him if he can't direct the threads he was in. Horrible bad meanies wanting lazy trash to go get jobs and not whine for Uncle Sugar to care and feed him his entire life. The usual.....
The troll was BUSTED.
Quote from: actionblock on February 15, 2014, 06:44:10 AM
Whatever happened to that masturbator master debater "Bismarck Revivalist?"
Was he a shill?
Follow the link, you'll recognize him quickly, although a lot of posts were already deleted.
are those idiots the reason I wasn't able to log on to the site all day yesterday??
Quote from: Ek Ehecatl on February 15, 2014, 07:59:00 AM
are those idiots the reason I wasn't able to log on to the site all day yesterday??
No, that was a DDOS attack from others that hate the truth getting out.
Quote from: Solar on February 15, 2014, 08:11:54 AM
No, that was a DDOS attack from others that hate the truth getting out.
a pox on their house of swish......
Quote from: Solar on February 15, 2014, 08:11:54 AM
No, that was a DDOS attack from others that hate the truth getting out.
I'd like to see actual proof that conservatives go to liberal sites and pull those kind of stunts. It's their signature move, trying to suppress free speech because they cannot stand any challenge to their mindset.
Take the last 24 hours here at CPF for example. One hard-core dolt resigns and another, lesser troll gets smacked down in one lie exposed after another. Rather than debate honestly it is invariably one after another sock-puppet identity and a deliberate campaign to disrupt ANY alternate opinion.
That's at the far left end. The phony surveys and seeming neutrality is another. It's a tactic we know all too well around here, defending against so many trolls with such malevolence in their hearts against the notion of actual independence.
It's one thing to publish a CBS poll below a Public Policy Polling poll and call them both objective. Puh-leeeze. I did
NOT fall off the turnip truck this morning: both are very Dem-friendly. Their views must always be taken with a grain of salt.
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ADDED :rolleyes:
Quote from: quiller on February 15, 2014, 08:24:14 AM
I'd like to see actual proof that conservatives go to liberal sites and pull those kind of stunts. It's their signature move, trying to suppress free speech because they cannot stand any challenge to their mindset.
Take the last 24 hours here at CPF for example. One hard-core dolt resigns and another, lesser troll gets smacked down in one lie exposed after another. Rather than debate honestly it is invariably one after another sock-puppet identity and a deliberate campaign to disrupt ANY alternate opinion.
That's at the far left end. The phony surveys and seeming neutrality is another. It's a tactic we know all too well around here, defending against so many trolls with such malevolence in their hearts against the notion of actual independence.
It's one thing to publish a CBS poll below a Public Policy Polling poll and call them both objective. Puh-leeeze. I did fall off the turnip truck this morning: both are very Dem-friendly. Their views must always be taken with a grain of salt.
Which is a tactic of the left, flood the mkt with worthless polls in an attempt to water down bury the true polling.
How many times have we seen a Hitlery poll against a RINO as proof the Marxist will win? Who pays for these polls?
The leftists!
I totally disagree with JRP -- not ALL polls are biased against Republicans.
Quote from: Solar on February 15, 2014, 08:32:59 AM
Which is a tactic of the left, flood the mkt with worthless polls in an attempt to water down bury the true polling.
How many times have we seen a Hitlery poll against a RINO as proof the Marxist will win? Who pays for these polls?
The leftists!
I honestly can not fathom how anyone can say Hussein isn't a Marxist. It blows my mind.
Also, I thought these kids were a lot better than the other forum that tries to raid. This Atlas one would at least try to discuss. LibIntellecual, Flo, Bismarck, and another I can't think of at least try to discuss instead of posting and running. The reason I can't stand JRP is not because he's stupid, but because he touts he's a Republican, while posting like a Marxist. He can just admit he's a Marxist, and that would be fine.
Quote from: taxed on February 15, 2014, 08:51:00 AM
I honestly can not fathom how anyone can say Hussein isn't a Marxist. It blows my mind.
So when was the last time you were in high school or college? This is not the 30's or 40's.
Quote from: walkstall on February 15, 2014, 09:05:53 AM
So when was the last time you were in high school or college? This is not the 30's or 40's.
It really has changed. I was in high school in the early 90s, and I expected to at least work for my lifestyle and not have shit handed to me. It amazes me how these kids have such low self esteem and no ambition.
Quote from: taxed on February 15, 2014, 09:02:41 AM
Also, I thought these kids were a lot better than the other forum that tries to raid. This Atlas one would at least try to discuss. LibIntellecual, Flo, Bismarck, and another I can't think of at least try to discuss instead of posting and running. The reason I can't stand JRP is not because he's stupid, but because he touts he's a Republican, while posting like a Marxist. He can just admit he's a Marxist, and that would be fine.
I believe a lot of young libs abandoned the Dim party for Libertarianism but still carry the ideology of a Marxist, because that's what they've been taught, that being rich equates to evil.
Imagine that, they live in a Capitalist society, a society that's built, innovated, and invented more than any culture on earth, and they've been led to believe that it's somehow evil to succeed.
At least two generations of teachers colleges have had the time to soften the horrors of socialism, and to reinvent which political movement did what to whom and how badly.
(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages56.fotki.com%2Fv1298%2Fphotos%2F1%2F1595431%2F10201654%2F049jfkdems_policy-vi.png&hash=019d763616c7635ff89671fd3293da11641159e7)
Quote from: taxed on February 15, 2014, 09:08:31 AM
It really has changed. I was in high school in the early 90s, and I expected to at least work for my lifestyle and not have shit handed to me. It amazes me how these kids have such low self esteem and no ambition.
This is what happens when you don't have time for your kids and let the schools control their way of thinking. It ok if you don't know what pie r squared mean. You don't need that in real life. You just need to know how to fill out forms for food stamps.
Quote from: Solar on February 15, 2014, 09:13:09 AM
I believe a lot of young libs abandoned the Dim party for Libertarianism but still carry the ideology of a Marxist, because that's what they've been taught, that being rich equates to evil.
Imagine that, they live in a Capitalist society, a society that's built, innovated, and invented more than any culture on earth, and they've been led to believe that it's somehow evil to succeed.
Ask them how much work it took to build, say, Reddit or Facebook or any of a zillion other sites they go to. Ask them to condemn the inventors of handheld devices most now use, which provide so much entertainment and connectivity with others.
They can't. That's how they spread their ignorance about how America really works.
Quote from: quiller on February 15, 2014, 09:22:37 AM
Ask them how much work it took to build, say, Reddit or Facebook or any of a zillion other sites they go to. Ask them to condemn the inventors of handheld devices most now use, which provide so much entertainment and connectivity with others.
They can't. That's how they spread their ignorance about how America really works.
Libs have an innate ability to ignore their own hypocrisy.
Quote from: Solar on February 15, 2014, 09:13:09 AM
I believe a lot of young libs abandoned the Dim party for Libertarianism but still carry the ideology of a Marxist, because that's what they've been taught, that being rich equates to evil.
That really is true.
Quote
Imagine that, they live in a Capitalist society, a society that's built, innovated, and invented more than any culture on earth, and they've been led to believe that it's somehow evil to succeed.
When I was young I thought I could do anything. These kids don't seem to have that confidence or desire.
Quote from: walkstall on February 15, 2014, 09:21:29 AM
This is what happens when you don't have time for your kids and let the schools control their way of thinking. It ok if you don't know what pie r squared mean. You don't need that in real life. You just need to know how to fill out forms for food stamps.
These kids are really scared of math nowadays. Trigonometry, for example, is like alien technology to them. It is so weird and sad.
It remind me of the line from "Animal House" when the Dean of the school looked at Flounder and said "Son, fat, stupid and lazy is no way to go through life". :biggrin:
I wish I could make that the ring tone on my phone.
Quote from: Dan on February 15, 2014, 09:53:49 AM
It remind me of the line from "Animal House" when the Dean of the school looked at Flounder and said "Son, fat, stupid and lazy is no way to go through life". :biggrin:
I wish I could make that the ring tone on my phone.
hahahahaha
Here is one of my faves:
One Crazy Summer - Work (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=786ZU1Qh8cE#)
Wasn't that dude the crazy ROTC officer in Animal House?
Quote from: Dan on February 15, 2014, 10:03:17 AM
Wasn't that dude the crazy ROTC officer in Animal House?
Ha, yes!
Quote from: walkstall on February 15, 2014, 09:21:29 AM
This is what happens when you don't have time for your kids and let the schools control their way of thinking. It ok if you don't know what pie r squared mean. You don't need that in real life. You just need to know how to fill out forms for food stamps.
"pie r squared" is a very important thing to learn. It explains
what is going on today and why we aren't moving forward.
Quote from: Solar on February 15, 2014, 09:28:36 AM
Libs have an innate ability to ignore their own hypocrisy.
Well, then, I guess it's up to verbal terrorists to reacquaint them.
Quote from: taxed on February 15, 2014, 09:44:57 AM
That really is true.
When I was young I thought I could do anything. These kids don't seem to have that confidence or desire.
It truly is sad, here we are in a Capitalist society, a country where innovation and entrepreneurship is the envy of the world, and these kids are being taught that success and boundless riches is somehow evil.
Quote from: taxed on February 15, 2014, 09:46:52 AM
These kids are really scared of math nowadays. Trigonometry, for example, is like alien technology to them. It is so weird and sad.
Last week when in town I had lunch. I gave the girl a 20$, she got out a calculator to figure out the change. Even after that she could not count out the change, she just handed it back to me. I told the manager he need to get a new cash register that tell them the right change to give back as he could be losing money.
Quote from: Solar on February 15, 2014, 10:56:13 AM
It truly is sad, here we are in a Capitalist society, a country where innovation and entrepreneurship is the envy of the world, and these kids are being taught that success and boundless riches is somehow evil.
They don't seem to have the desire to make money. I can't fathom that.
Quote from: walkstall on February 15, 2014, 10:58:37 AM
Last week when in town I had lunch. I gave the girl a 20$, she got out a calculator to figure out the change. Even after that she could not count out the change, she just handed it back to me. I told the manager he need to get a new cash register that tell them the right change to give back as he could be losing money.
hahaha I LOVE doing that. I do that every chance I get, and when they mess it up, I kid them and say "Not your fault... liberal government schools"... I've been told I'm being an asshole when I do that, but I think I'm making a point and at least make these kids realize they need to start learning SOMETHING.
Quote from: taxed on February 15, 2014, 11:15:27 AM
They don't seem to have the desire to make money. I can't fathom that.
The only thing I can think of, is they've been brainwashed by millionaires in the Dim party.
Think about that for a moment, here you have a party full of Marxists, all freakin rich, belittling people for wanting to be successful in life.
You'd think libs would be smart enough to spot that touch of hypocrisy.
Quote from: Solar on February 15, 2014, 11:21:27 AM
The only thing I can think of, is they've been brainwashed by millionaires in the Dim party.
Think about that for a moment, here you have a party full of Marxists, all freakin rich, belittling people for wanting to be successful in life.
You'd think libs would be smart enough to spot that touch of hypocrisy.
If we could figure out lib thinking we would all be multi-millionaires. :smile:
Where is our junior Karl Rove....
This forum just covered the major political donors in Koch Brothers thread. The donations
were heavily slanted toward public employee unions -- State and Municipal Workers, AFT,
NEA, Postal -- it wasn't even close. Koch is a huge conservative donor at $17M, but a shrimp
compared to the hundreds of millions donated by people who are vested in big government
politics.
I am not sure if we would even have the numbers in the unlikely event that suddenly the tax payers would wake up to what is going on. Yet, we can have districts and states decide to be business friendly and reject the authoritarian central state. Washington will track us down, as witnessed by the recent IRS tracking, but the devil you know is sure preferred to the one you don't.
Why is it that those who preach "Diversity" don't want to allow those of us with conservative opinions to speak? While I disagree with liberals, I feel they have a right to hold their opinions and to speak about them when and if they wish. I am not afforded that same right by liberals. IMO they are afraid of opinions differing from theirs in the event they might gain converts from among the libs. And actually, I further believe that many Americans don't know what the conservative opinion is although they hold it themselves, just don't know it's called "Conservative."
Quote from: Charliemyboy on February 15, 2014, 12:35:44 PM
Why is it that those who preach "Diversity" don't want to allow those of us with conservative opinions to speak? While I disagree with liberals, I feel they have a right to hold their opinions and to speak about them when and if they wish. I am not afforded that same right by liberals. IMO they are afraid of opinions differing from theirs in the event they might gain converts from among the libs. And actually, I further believe that many Americans don't know what the conservative opinion is although they hold it themselves, just don't know it's called "Conservative."
Conservatives are not intimidated by lib thoughts because we know they are wrong. Libs know we are right so they have try and silence us. It is that simple.
If the students were taught about the American Revolution, then they might
become curious as to the difference between the two systems: an authoritarian
monarchy versus a free democracy. That's where the trouble starts. It is not so
much that the Left discourages liberty, although usually more in terms of licentiousness
more than true freedom from tyranny, but the agenda of the left is to turn the minds
of the young to rebellion towards American tradition, which, they have drummed into
them, is a force of repression aimed at themselves. This lie plays into the natural instincts
of teens, which in the words of Coasters, is "Why is everybody always pickin' on me?"
Over the years, I have seen example upon example of how our school systems have
encouraged denigration of the principles of the Founding Fathers and the Constitution
I simply lost track. Now I wish I had kept a journal of just that topic. I am sure someone
has.
Probably the earliest in my memory was that the Founding Fathers were rich white men
who revolted so that they could carve up the new nation for themselves. This was a left wing
notion that achieved almost universal popularity in post secondary education, at the hands
of left leaning professors who have since become actual symbols of everything that is wrong
in American education. Again, the mantra was perfectly tailored to the college age -- that
in-between age of identity seeking. The principle invoked was, "Everything you have been
taught up to the present has been wrong." The students actually ate this up. They were promised
the ticket into a life of ease as part of the intellectual elite. What a perfect ploy for the left wing.
Another ploy that soon followed was that the founding fathers, including Jefferson, were slave
holders. This was presented to reinforce the ideas that the founding fathers were selfish, bigoted,
hypocrites. It also played into a very real condition, which was that the left wing has traditionally,
in America, been excluded from the halls of power. That is one reason older, more traditional,
known as conservative, Americans are a bit shocked when they see the likes of Eric Holder and
Barack Obama in positions of power. It takes some adjustment to actually recognize that America's
traditional "enemy doctrine," communism, is alive, well, and very much with us.
Is this goober gonna answer up?
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 15, 2014, 01:58:55 PM
Is this goober gonna answer up?
He owes the forum members an apology.
Quote from: taxed on February 15, 2014, 11:17:45 AM
hahaha I LOVE doing that. I do that every chance I get, and when they mess it up, I kid them and say "Not your fault... liberal government schools"... I've been told I'm being an asshole when I do that, but I think I'm making a point and at least make these kids realize they need to start learning SOMETHING.
I've had this happen to me. I'm more than capable of doing math. Here's probably what happened, or at least what happened in my situation. When you stand there scanning stuff all day rhythmically pushing buttons on a machine it's utterly mind numbing. You enter a trance, especially when things are non-stop for hours on end. To cope with the boredom your mind wanders thinking about other things, like tests you need to study for when you get off work. When you make a mistake and have to snap out of your hypnosis it's not difficult to screw up on things like you mentioned. That's why they probably grab a calculator. Most of those kids working the register are probably capable of doing simple math.
Quote from: JTA on February 15, 2014, 07:17:10 PM
I've had this happen to me. I'm more than capable of doing math. Here's probably what happened, or at least what happened in my situation. When you stand there scanning stuff all day rhythmically pushing buttons on a machine it's utterly mind numbing. You enter a trance, especially when things are non-stop for hours on end. To cope with the boredom your mind wanders thinking about other things, like tests you need to study for when you get off work. When you make a mistake and have to snap out of your hypnosis it's not difficult to screw up on things like you mentioned. That's why they probably grab a calculator. Most of those kids working the register are probably capable of doing simple math.
Hmm.. grab a calculator is one thing, but not counting change back is another. They either don't know how or are just too lazy.
Also a cure for boredom, if you have time to lean you have time to clean. Or if you have time for boredom you have time to clean. But then I was always a SOB.
Quote from: JTA on February 15, 2014, 07:17:10 PM
I've had this happen to me. I'm more than capable of doing math. Here's probably what happened, or at least what happened in my situation. When you stand there scanning stuff all day rhythmically pushing buttons on a machine it's utterly mind numbing. You enter a trance, especially when things are non-stop for hours on end. To cope with the boredom your mind wanders thinking about other things, like tests you need to study for when you get off work. When you make a mistake and have to snap out of your hypnosis it's not difficult to screw up on things like you mentioned. That's why they probably grab a calculator. Most of those kids working the register are probably capable of doing simple math.
Counting back change is the easiest thing to learn, I did at age 7.
Problem today, is kids aren't taught it at any age.
Quote from: Solar on February 15, 2014, 08:22:34 PM
Counting back change is the easiest thing to learn, I did at age 7.
Problem today, is kids aren't taught it at any age.
Any kid that had a paper route know how to make change back in my day. Back then kids also collect money for there paper route.
If someone did not pay it came out of the kids pay until they would pay. Sometimes they had problems pay for a month or two, but they would always pay up. Dad would always say trust them there good people, they will pay up.
Quote from: JTA on February 15, 2014, 07:17:10 PM
I've had this happen to me. I'm more than capable of doing math. Here's probably what happened, or at least what happened in my situation. When you stand there scanning stuff all day rhythmically pushing buttons on a machine it's utterly mind numbing. You enter a trance, especially when things are non-stop for hours on end. To cope with the boredom your mind wanders thinking about other things, like tests you need to study for when you get off work. When you make a mistake and have to snap out of your hypnosis it's not difficult to screw up on things like you mentioned. That's why they probably grab a calculator. Most of those kids working the register are probably capable of doing simple math.
I dunno... it just seems so simple....
Hey JPR, please:
1) Respond to Solar's request.
2) Give your best post refuting why you think Hussein Obama is not a Marxist.
and
3) If you do and stay, come clean about your political affiliation.
Otherwise, it's been real.
Smooches,
-taxed
Quote from: taxed on February 15, 2014, 09:51:47 PM
Hey JPR, please:
1) Respond to Solar's request.
2) Give your best post refuting why you think Hussein Obama is not a Marxist.
and
3) If you do and stay, come clean about your political affiliation.
Otherwise, it's been real.
Smooches,
-taxed
I am starting to think you will "Smooches" just about anything for a good reply. :lol: :lol: :lol: :popcorn:
Quote from: walkstall on February 15, 2014, 10:09:27 PM
I am starting to think you will "Smooches" just about anything for a good reply. :lol: :lol: :lol: :popcorn:
I feel like I'm having to have a sit down with my son and explain to him why I won't let him pierce his tongue. These kids...
Quote from: taxed on February 15, 2014, 09:51:47 PM
Hey JPR, please:
1) Respond to Solar's request.
2) Give your best post refuting why you think Hussein Obama is not a Marxist.
and
3) If you do and stay, come clean about your political affiliation.
Otherwise, it's been real.
Smooches,
-taxed
Good point, we've already made the case that he's an admitted Communist, maybe JRP can make a case as to why he's not.
This should be interesting.
After reading that uselectionatlas forum the thing that strikes me is how utter angry and petty these people are. These leftists are so putrid and vile its hilarious to read their forum :laugh:
But when all they see is racism because they are racist themselves, then how can they not be angry all the time? :tounge:
I applaud the mods of this forum for having to deal with these tedious attacks.
Quote from: Mountainshield on February 16, 2014, 09:19:01 AM
After reading that uselectionatlas forum the thing that strikes me is how utter angry and petty these people are. These leftists are so putrid and vile its hilarious to read their forum :laugh:
But when all they see is racism because they are racist themselves, then how can they not be angry all the time? :tounge:
I applaud the mods of this forum for having to deal with these tedious attacks.
We don't really mind them all that much, as long as it's just posting, and not server attacks like we get quite often (we're doing something
Right).
Though the Atlas forum isn't necessarily a lib forum, but a forum with a lot of libs.
But we like to use these people as teaching tools for our readers, the people that don't quite understand what is going on in the nation, and how the left is trying to destroy capitalism.
In an open forum, where dissenting views are welcome, the lib quickly discovers they have absolutely no ground to stand on, their premise is all about destruction and division.
Quote from: Solar on February 16, 2014, 09:31:28 AM
We don't really mind them all that much, as long as it's just posting, and not server attacks like we get quite often (we're doing something Right).
Though the Atlas forum isn't necessarily a lib forum, but a forum with a lot of libs.
But we like to use these people as teaching tools for our readers, the people that don't quite understand what is going on in the nation, and how the left is trying to destroy capitalism.
In an open forum, where dissenting views are welcome, the lib quickly discovers they have absolutely no ground to stand on, their premise is all about destruction and division.
Aha, I understand, what is sad though is that they are so indoctrinated they can't even comprehend economic and sociological facts when smacked repeatedly with it. But you can't save'em all.
I understand your strategy, and it is a good one, for all the lurkers that are capable of taking in new information that are reading the trolls ludicrous arguments and CPF relentlessly countering their fallacies with facts is a very effective way of getting people thinking eventually becoming conservative. Even if it doesn't make conservative right away they need to start getting the facts if they are to stay intellectually honest with themselves and that will make them conservative in the long run.
Quote from: Mountainshield on February 16, 2014, 09:41:06 AM
Aha, I understand, what is sad though is that they are so indoctrinated they can't even comprehend economic and sociological facts when smacked repeatedly with it. But you can't save'em all.
I understand your strategy, and it is a good one, for all the lurkers that are capable of taking in new information that are reading the trolls ludicrous arguments and CPF relentlessly countering their fallacies with facts is a very effective way of getting people thinking eventually becoming conservative. Even if it doesn't make conservative right away they need to start getting the facts if they are to stay intellectually honest with themselves and that will make them conservative in the long run.
Exactly! We're panting seeds. :cool:
Quote from: Solar on February 16, 2014, 05:54:18 AM
Good point, we've already made the case that he's an admitted Communist, maybe JRP can make a case as to why he's not.
This should be interesting.
1) He's two faced
2) He's a coward
3) He's thicker than two planks of wood stuck together with stupid glue
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 16, 2014, 11:37:47 AM
1) He's two faced
2) He's a coward
3) He's thicker than two planks of wood stuck together with stupid glue
Must be a lot of "stupid glue" out there. :glare:
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 16, 2014, 11:37:47 AM
1) He's two faced
2) He's a coward
3) He's thicker than two planks of wood stuck together with stupid glue
JRP or Hussein?
Quote from: taxed on February 15, 2014, 09:40:34 PM
I dunno... it just seems so simple....
Yeah, you're right it is. Have you ever worked an assembly line job? The closest I've come to one is sorting vegetables on a conveyor belt and working a cash register at a big box grocery store. Both jobs my mind just sort of shut off and wandered elsewhere to cope with the absolute mind numbing boredom of doing the same repetitive physical task over and over again.
I think most cashiers (in big box stores at least) probably find themselves in this state of mind as well. I'm not saying it's ok, I'm just pointing out this is probably what's going on and why they get tripped up when they have to do some calculations manually. It's like waking someone up from a dream and telling them to solve a math problem RIGHT NOW with a bunch of irate customers contemptuously staring them down.
In another context, if they were forced to calculate each transaction manually without reliance on a machine to begin with most would probably be able to make change without a problem because they need to be more mentally aware while performing their task from the get go, so they're not going to be tranced out to begin with. They're going to be in a focused state of mind.
Quote from: JTA on February 16, 2014, 02:09:12 PM
Yeah, you're right it is. Have you ever worked an assembly line job? The closest I've come to one is sorting vegetables on a conveyor belt and working a cash register at a big box grocery store. Both jobs my mind just sort of shut off and wandered elsewhere to cope with the absolute mind numbing boredom of doing the same repetitive physical task over and over again.
I think most cashiers (in big box stores at least) probably find themselves in this state of mind as well. I'm not saying it's ok, I'm just pointing out this is probably what's going on and why they get tripped up when they have to do some calculations manually. It's like waking someone up from a dream and telling them to solve a math problem RIGHT NOW with a bunch of irate customers contemptuously staring them down.
In another context, if they were forced to calculate each transaction manually without reliance on a machine to begin with most would probably be able to make change without a problem because they need to be more mentally aware while performing their task from the get go, so they're not going to be tranced out to begin with. They're going to be in a focused state of mind.
On the flipside, maybe the cashiers are a lot dumber then they used to be. Like with assembly lines, maybe machines have lowered the bar significantly to let less intelligent people do something that previously required at least a modicum of intelligence.
I've done this at previous jobs. We developed solutions to allow even the dumbest of people to perform complex tasks. The machine did the thinking for them. The benefits? Less skilled, lower paid employees, higher throughput = more money saved.
Quote from: JTA on February 16, 2014, 02:18:38 PM
On the flipside, maybe the cashiers are a lot dumber then they used to be. Like with assembly lines, maybe machines have lowered the bar significantly to let less intelligent people do something that previously required at least a modicum of intelligence.
I've done this at previous jobs. We developed solutions to allow even the dumbest of people to perform complex tasks. The machine did the thinking for them. The benefits? Less skilled, lower paid employees, higher throughput = more money saved.
Oh yes let's blame the machines. Not the teachers, schools or colleges that put out these underachievers.by the bus loads. This BS has been going on for 65 years that I can remember. I even remember back in my younger days the machines were going to take all the jobs. Son the way you think, you would not even make a good ditch digger.
Quote from: JTA on February 16, 2014, 02:18:38 PM
On the flipside, maybe the cashiers are a lot dumber then they used to be. Like with assembly lines, maybe machines have lowered the bar significantly to let less intelligent people do something that previously required at least a modicum of intelligence.
I've done this at previous jobs. We developed solutions to allow even the dumbest of people to perform complex tasks. The machine did the thinking for them. The benefits? Less skilled, lower paid employees, higher throughput = more money saved.
Need I say more?
The register isn't all that different, all pictures...
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Quote from: walkstall on February 16, 2014, 02:38:02 PM
Oh yes let's blame the machines. Not the teachers, schools or colleges that put out these underachievers.by the bus loads. This BS has been going on for 65 years that I can remember. I even remember back in my younger days the machines were going to take all the jobs. Son the way you think, you would not even make a good ditch digger.
In todays high tech world, you can use technology to come up with creative solutions to save time and money and keep a competitive edge. Lucky for me the last company I worked for figured this out and because of that is flourishing while others probably went bust.
At that company, we had to provision devices before sending them out to customers. They weren't simple devices like the TV remotes. To provision the devices individually you'd need someone trained in that field that knew what they were doing. It was a somewhat time consuming process.
Instead of hiring 20 high paid techs to provision each device, why not write some software to do the technical aspects of the job instead? Then all you'll need to do is hire 5 low-paid unskilled workers to push some buttons and plug in some cables to do the job previously done by 20 high paid tech workers. Not only does the entire process go a lot quicker, the company saves a lot of money.
All I'm saying is in making operations simpler you're lowering the bar for a job that previously required some skill. You're inevitably going to have less intelligent unskilled workers fill those positions while those who are more intelligent look elsewhere. Maybe this isn't the case with cashiers. Maybe people are just getting dumber. I don't know. But surely in some industries unskilled labor is taking the place of jobs that previously required skill due to technological innovation.
I've never worked as a ditch digger. I probably couldn't dig ditches as good as a machine though so you're probably right.
Quote from: Solar on February 16, 2014, 02:38:13 PM
Need I say more?
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Exactly this. That UI is terrible though. :)
Quote from: Solar on February 16, 2014, 02:38:13 PM
Need I say more?
The register isn't all that different, all pictures...
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Looks like micky D's just one step away from replacing cashiers with self service ordering!! 10 bucks an hr anyone?
Quote from: redbeard on February 16, 2014, 03:36:30 PM
Looks like micky D's just one step away from replacing cashiers with self service ordering!! 10 bucks an hr anyone?
BINGO!!! Talk about elimination of entry level jobs. Hell, if a computer is cheaper than an employee with Commiecare attached, I'd pay for the computer.
Nothing worse than entry level employees, the good ones always move on, and you can never seem to get rid of the lazy ones.
Quote from: JTA on February 16, 2014, 02:09:12 PM
Yeah, you're right it is. Have you ever worked an assembly line job? The closest I've come to one is sorting vegetables on a conveyor belt and working a cash register at a big box grocery store. Both jobs my mind just sort of shut off and wandered elsewhere to cope with the absolute mind numbing boredom of doing the same repetitive physical task over and over again.
In my teens I worked a cashier. It was indeed pretty repetitive...
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I think most cashiers (in big box stores at least) probably find themselves in this state of mind as well. I'm not saying it's ok, I'm just pointing out this is probably what's going on and why they get tripped up when they have to do some calculations manually. It's like waking someone up from a dream and telling them to solve a math problem RIGHT NOW with a bunch of irate customers contemptuously staring them down.
In another context, if they were forced to calculate each transaction manually without reliance on a machine to begin with most would probably be able to make change without a problem because they need to be more mentally aware while performing their task from the get go, so they're not going to be tranced out to begin with. They're going to be in a focused state of mind.
Ha, I guess... it just seems surreal to me that people can't do basic, simple math in their heads.
Quote from: JTA on February 16, 2014, 02:18:38 PM
On the flipside, maybe the cashiers are a lot dumber then they used to be. Like with assembly lines, maybe machines have lowered the bar significantly to let less intelligent people do something that previously required at least a modicum of intelligence.
I've done this at previous jobs. We developed solutions to allow even the dumbest of people to perform complex tasks. The machine did the thinking for them. The benefits? Less skilled, lower paid employees, higher throughput = more money saved.
Absolutely...
Quote from: taxed on February 16, 2014, 05:47:36 PM
Absolutely...
I think JRP needs to answer a few posts on this thread.
Also the forum deserves an apology for what he said and did.
Quote from: Solar on February 16, 2014, 05:51:39 PM
I think JRP needs to answer a few posts on this thread.
Also the forum deserves an apology for what he said and did.
JTA and JRP are two different people.
Quote from: walkstall on February 16, 2014, 06:39:44 PM
JTA and JRP are two different people.
I know, I was reminding Taxed of our conversation.
He was ready to boot JRP, but I wanted to give him a chance to explain himself and to apologize for trashing the members and the forum, as well as the TEA.
Quote from: JTA on February 16, 2014, 03:21:03 PM
In todays high tech world, you can use technology to come up with creative solutions to save time and money and keep a competitive edge. Lucky for me the last company I worked for figured this out and because of that is flourishing while others probably went bust.
At that company, we had to provision devices before sending them out to customers. They weren't simple devices like the TV remotes. To provision the devices individually you'd need someone trained in that field that knew what they were doing. It was a somewhat time consuming process.
Instead of hiring 20 high paid techs to provision each device, why not write some software to do the technical aspects of the job instead? Then all you'll need to do is hire 5 low-paid unskilled workers to push some buttons and plug in some cables to do the job previously done by 20 high paid tech workers. Not only does the entire process go a lot quicker, the company saves a lot of money.
All I'm saying is in making operations simpler you're lowering the bar for a job that previously required some skill. You're inevitably going to have less intelligent unskilled workers fill those positions while those who are more intelligent look elsewhere. Maybe this isn't the case with cashiers. Maybe people are just getting dumber. I don't know. But surely in some industries unskilled labor is taking the place of jobs that previously required skill due to technological innovation.
I've never worked as a ditch digger. I probably couldn't dig ditches as good as a machine though so you're probably right.
Absolutely, and technology has been good to those of us who can bring savings to fruition, improve processes, and reduce labor overhead.
Quote from: JTA on February 16, 2014, 03:21:35 PM
Exactly this. That UI is terrible though. :)
Hahaha... looks like it's from the 90s!
Well, JRP is online and not responding.
Calling Officer Erik Estrada.... please come in Erik Estrada. Erik Estrada, over....
Quote from: walkstall on February 16, 2014, 06:39:44 PM
JTA and JRP are two different people.
It's an easy distinction.
JRP is a two faced cowardly hypocrite that sees himself as the next Karl Rove without the talent. And has the values of a Harry Reid.
JTA isn't and doesn't.
Quote from: taxed on February 16, 2014, 07:27:52 PM
Well, JRP is online and not responding.
Calling Officer Erik Estrada.... please come in Erik Estrada. Erik Estrada, over....
OK Boo, set up the guillotine.
Jrp had a chance.
Step this way please JRP. No, that guillotine is just for show. Really. Do you like sausages? It doesn't matter. Now smile for the large man in the executioner's mask...
He had 12 IP's...
Quote from: walkstall on February 16, 2014, 08:43:10 PM
What no Texas Wedgie!!!!
He wasn't wearing any. So I wedgied his om...
I love that man of mine...
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Zitilicious...
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He's been in Hell. :rolleyes:..so he knows...right.. :popcorn:
listen punk ass drama queen...u don't know what hell is...try visiting a third world country preferably one run by marxist demogoges in some place in Africa or Asia or south America if you want to know what Hell really is.
Quote from: Billy's bayonet on February 17, 2014, 06:02:58 PM
He's been in Hell. :rolleyes:..so he knows...right.. :popcorn:
listen punk ass drama queen...u don't know what hell is...try visiting a third world country preferably one run by marxist demogoges in some place in Africa or Asia or south America if you want to know what Hell really is.
and see if he gets out alive. :popcorn:
Quote from: walkstall on February 17, 2014, 06:09:02 PM
and see if he gets out alive. :popcorn:
He'd probably do something stupid like get stoned (of course, first thing idiot kid tourists have to do) and jump off the cliffs onto the rocks at low tide on some deserted island..they'd find his crab nibbled remains the next day and cremate him....after stealing his watch
Quote from: redbeard on February 16, 2014, 03:36:30 PM
Looks like micky D's just one step away from replacing cashiers with self service ordering!! 10 bucks an hr anyone?
What's amazing is that you only need to provide a modicum of value more than a damned machine.
Gee, how could I do that ?
-Act like a member of team, instead of a sullen, nasty, selfish little shit
-Care in the least about the big picture - pick up some trash, clean up a spill, help somebody else with something, check the bathroom or the parking lot voluntarily (just be useful in general, lol)
-At least ACT like you care about the customers; speak nicely and positively with them, help the old folks or kids a little extra
-Act like the customers are guests in your home, care even slightly about their experience while visiting you
It's incredible that people can't even fathom any of these things about their jobs any more. They can only think in terms of what's owed to them by the evil rich, on day one of the job.
It's like there are are only two alternatives now, the government giving me everything, or the evil company giving me a job and the reparations that come with it.
Quote from: JTA on February 16, 2014, 02:09:12 PM
Yeah, you're right it is. Have you ever worked an assembly line job? The closest I've come to one is sorting vegetables on a conveyor belt and working a cash register at a big box grocery store. Both jobs my mind just sort of shut off and wandered elsewhere to cope with the absolute mind numbing boredom of doing the same repetitive physical task over and over again.
I think most cashiers (in big box stores at least) probably find themselves in this state of mind as well. I'm not saying it's ok, I'm just pointing out this is probably what's going on and why they get tripped up when they have to do some calculations manually. It's like waking someone up from a dream and telling them to solve a math problem RIGHT NOW with a bunch of irate customers contemptuously staring them down.
In another context, if they were forced to calculate each transaction manually without reliance on a machine to begin with most would probably be able to make change without a problem because they need to be more mentally aware while performing their task from the get go, so they're not going to be tranced out to begin with. They're going to be in a focused state of mind.
When I got out the AF as a Captain with a master's degree, I wasn't too sharp with my transition plan.
So I got two jobs, as a box sorter at UPS and a security guard.
My wife was still working full time, so I could have laid around.
But I got two "mind numbing" jobs as a direct result of self-respect and the fact that I was a grown man that doesn't like to act like a lazy kid or bum.
It was up to me to find something that I liked better. But complaining about it, or blaming the job or something else, wasn't actually a solution.
Quote from: Solar on February 16, 2014, 06:43:38 PM
I know, I was reminding Taxed of our conversation.
He was ready to boot JRP, but I wanted to give him a chance to explain himself and to apologize for trashing the members and the forum, as well as the TEA.
meh, I'll say what we're all thinking.
He's a pussy POS who doesn't have anything but snarky, snidely little blobs of BS in his existence.
I'd love to meet him and see what yields such a worthless existence.
All of this is true of all of our visitors from the various little sororities.
I'm sure JRP is a sweet boy. He just needs to start embracing freedom.
Quote from: AndyJackson on February 18, 2014, 06:47:01 AM
When I got out the AF as a Captain with a master's degree, I wasn't too sharp with my transition plan.
So I got two jobs, as a box sorter at UPS and a security guard.
My wife was still working full time, so I could have laid around.
But I got two "mind numbing" jobs as a direct result of self-respect and the fact that I was a grown man that doesn't like to act like a lazy kid or bum.
It was up to me to find something that I liked better. But complaining about it, or blaming the job or something else, wasn't actually a solution.
There's no shame in working manual labor jobs. I've done plenty of them as well.
Honestly, my favorite job was clearing brush on a farm. I got to be outdoors all day away from people and noise, had the choice of listening to music if I wanted to as I worked, it felt good physically to do the work, and I had control over what I wanted to do and how I wanted to accomplish it. Same with landscaping jobs in general. Way better than office work IMO. But clearing brush and landscaping isn't really mind numbing, at least it wasn't for me. Not like sorting peppers. Man that got boring.
Quote from: JTA on February 18, 2014, 02:11:22 PM
There's no shame in working manual labor jobs. I've done plenty of them as well.
Honestly, my favorite job was clearing brush on a farm. I got to be outdoors all day away from people and noise, had the choice of listening to music if I wanted to as I worked, it felt good physically to do the work, and I had control over what I wanted to do and how I wanted to accomplish it. Same with landscaping jobs in general. Way better than office work IMO. But clearing brush and landscaping isn't really mind numbing, at least it wasn't for me. Not like sorting peppers. Man that got boring.
I agree... I liked the manual outdoors stuff. It's stress free, and you can just let your mind wander while you work.
Quote from: JTA on February 16, 2014, 02:09:12 PM
Yeah, you're right it is. Have you ever worked an assembly line job? The closest I've come to one is sorting vegetables on a conveyor belt and working a cash register at a big box grocery store. Both jobs my mind just sort of shut off and wandered elsewhere to cope with the absolute mind numbing boredom of doing the same repetitive physical task over and over again.
I think most cashiers (in big box stores at least) probably find themselves in this state of mind as well. I'm not saying it's ok, I'm just pointing out this is probably what's going on and why they get tripped up when they have to do some calculations manually. It's like waking someone up from a dream and telling them to solve a math problem RIGHT NOW with a bunch of irate customers contemptuously staring them down.
In another context, if they were forced to calculate each transaction manually without reliance on a machine to begin with most would probably be able to make change without a problem because they need to be more mentally aware while performing their task from the get go, so they're not going to be tranced out to begin with. They're going to be in a focused state of mind.
Speaking of another context, these are the people who to raise the minimum wage from what it is to like 18.00 an hour....they can't even count or get too "Mind numbed" at their job to make change and they want to double their wages....c'mon.