You bet you ass he is, and like Santa, he knows everything about you, more than anyone in your life.
That's right, your utility is snooping on you, and they didn't even need a warrant, and it's all done legally, because your purchase of a new washer/dryer, or TV, toaster, coffee pot etc, was all your own fault for agreeing to be a part of a better society.

But it gets worse, say you bought a new electric car in the future, get into an accident that wasn't your fault, but the dispute in it's interim awaits a litigious outcome by the courts, whereby they decide the car may not be moved, they simply get an order to disconnect your car from it's ability to charge.
That's right, the chip in your car is unique only to your car, so forget about asking your neighbor for help, the govt owns you.

And no, this is not conspiracy shit, this is reality taking place today, all those new products in your home are ratting you out with the best of intentions, but it's the end result you should be concerned with, who will have access to this information in the future?

You can bet your ass the NSA already does, meaning the Marxist in the WH does as well. Think IRS and TEA, then ask yourself, do you really need that new microwave?

Don't believe me?
Read for yourself: http://info.publicintelligence.net/SmartMeter1.pdf







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This is f*n crazy.  Why can't they leave us alone?

Today, a replacement-furnace contractor mentioned to me that the intelligent furnace systems today communicate outside the home (in this case to his company). (Wow, and that same data can be twinned and sent to God knows where, for use by which particular eco-freak bureaucrat?...)

Electronic meter-readers (city water, natural gas utility company, etc.) can scan meters at a distance of my driveway. The electric company already rats-out anyone with a significant jump in electrical usage (on the pretext of helping the cops find mary-hootchie grow-houses). And the hits just keep on comin'. They will be telling us very clearly how we may live in our own homes. It's for the children, don'tcha know.

Smart cars are another one. Sure, let the government tell you how and where your vehicle may go, and even if it's not on a so-called Smart Highway the GPS and black box gear built into all new vehicles is REALLY reassuring. Why yes, I stopped at that address. And yes, that highway roadside scanner did pick up that a cellphone belonging to so-and-so WAS in fact in my vehicle. So tell me: Now why do you ask?....

Privacy died on our generation's watch. Nobody else is to blame. 

Quote from: taxed on August 26, 2014, 12:21:14 PM
This is f*n crazy.  Why can't they leave us alone?

Good question. All I can think of, is this will not end well.

Quote from: quiller on August 26, 2014, 12:40:30 PM
Today, a replacement-furnace contractor mentioned to me that the intelligent furnace systems today communicate outside the home (in this case to his company). (Wow, and that same data can be twinned and sent to God knows where, for use by which particular eco-freak bureaucrat?...)

Electronic meter-readers (city water, natural gas utility company, etc.) can scan meters at a distance of my driveway. The electric company already rats-out anyone with a significant jump in electrical usage (on the pretext of helping the cops find mary-hootchie grow-houses). And the hits just keep on comin'. They will be telling us very clearly how we may live in our own homes. It's for the children, don'tcha know.

Smart cars are another one. Sure, let the government tell you how and where your vehicle may go, and even if it's not on a so-called Smart Highway the GPS and black box gear built into all new vehicles is REALLY reassuring. Why yes, I stopped at that address. And yes, that highway roadside scanner did pick up that a cellphone belonging to so-and-so WAS in fact in my vehicle. So tell me: Now why do you ask?....

Privacy died on our generation's watch. Nobody else is to blame.

It gets worse. Automatic meter reading, or AMR, gives the utility the ability to download all your data, turn off your power remotely, even tell when your kids come and go, and as you pointed out, the smart car.

Not that I'd buy one, but every smart car keeps a record of your drive for diagnostic purposes, including speed, yeah speed, so you are home and get a summons in the mail to appear for a citation, but the camera took a poor pic and you decide to fight it. (Future scenario, of course)

So you go to court, but those of "Authority" got a warrant for your data that proved it was your car.
Yes, that's just the tip of the iceberg, but the point is, they have the ability to track your every move, including cell ph.

You're absolutely Right, it was on our watch that this happened, and both party's are to blame.

Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2014, 01:27:31 PM
Good question. All I can think of, is this will not end well.

The good thing is everyone has red flags on them, so this alone is not enough to get you persecuted, but step on the wrong bureaucrat toes and you're done for.

Quote from: Mountainshield on August 26, 2014, 01:31:36 PM
The good thing is everyone has red flags on them, so this alone is not enough to get you persecuted, but step on the wrong bureaucrat toes and you're done for.

Yep, the TEA found that one out. TEA went after the Marxist, and look where it got them.
Yes, it's evidence that there is no extreme the Marxists won't go to, to get you.

I heard someone on the radio once, think it was on Hannity's show.

Anyways she was there talking about how they're using RFID tech more and more to track purchases.

She was talking about how. They even put RFID chips in underwear, and how the manufacturer's can then just drive down the street and tell if the kind of underwear you by and use is theirs or not.

Telling them, what areas they need to concentrate the most on to further sales. And the real rub in that is this.

No warrant is needed, because to get the information, they don't have to actually enter the home.

The world of "minority report" is here folks, been here for awhile infact. Sadly many just didn't realize it until now....

Quote from: daidalos on August 26, 2014, 07:40:47 PM
I heard someone on the radio once, think it was on Hannity's show.

Anyways she was there talking about how they're using RFID tech more and more to track purchases.

She was talking about how. They even put RFID chips in underwear, and how the manufacturer's can then just drive down the street and tell if the kind of underwear you by and use is theirs or not.

Telling them, what areas they need to concentrate the most on to further sales. And the real rub in that is this.

No warrant is needed, because to get the information, they don't have to actually enter the home.

The world of "minority report" is here folks, been here for awhile infact. Sadly many just didn't realize it until now....

If it all was as benign as corporations wanting to advertise more junk I might be interested in and create a better feedback loop for product and consumer satisfaction/behavior I wouldn't mind having RFID everywhere, the problem is the government expropriate the technology, the data/files to centralize more power into the hands of the socialists bureaucrats and politicians and use the information against those who would vote them out of power like what happened to the TEA party as Solar pointed out.

It's not all bad on the surface i.e the tracking of mobile data usage was able to track down a murderer here in Norway, the police tracked the cellphone data in the area at the time of murder an was able to narrow it down to a few suspects which one of them then were proved guilty. I think this is the sort of argument they will use for greater control and intrusion into Orwellian surveillance inside your property as well. If only government bureaucrats were the angels liberals believe them to be  then I wouldn't worry about this at all.

I am not so concerned about private businesses tracking because there interests are only to sell me more "stuff". The government is a whole different matter because their interests are control of our lives.

Quote from: Mountainshield on August 26, 2014, 11:16:42 PM
If it all was as benign as corporations wanting to advertise more junk I might be interested in and create a better feedback loop for product and consumer satisfaction/behavior I wouldn't mind having RFID everywhere, the problem is the government expropriate the technology, the data/files to centralize more power into the hands of the socialists bureaucrats and politicians and use the information against those who would vote them out of power like what happened to the TEA party as Solar pointed out.

It's not all bad on the surface i.e the tracking of mobile data usage was able to track down a murderer here in Norway, the police tracked the cellphone data in the area at the time of murder an was able to narrow it down to a few suspects which one of them then were proved guilty. I think this is the sort of argument they will use for greater control and intrusion into Orwellian surveillance inside your property as well. If only government bureaucrats were the angels liberals believe them to be  then I wouldn't worry about this at all.

Exactly the point! People do not distrust industry in the least, it's the strong arming of business by Govt that makes us suspicious, EG. 'NSA Google symbiosis' and other search engines and how govt in a sense forced them to play along or suffer the wrath of the Fed, " carrot and stick analogy" so they played along.

Utilities are in the same boat because they are regulated by the Fed, who has total say in their guaranteed profit margin of 30% minimum.
That's right, no other business is afforded such high profits, percentage wise over all.
I used to make 30% in alternative energy til the fed got involved, it fell to 7% within 5 years which is where the majority of business operate.
Hell, oil operates between 12 and 20%, while the govt share is more than double that.
So yes. You are absolutely Right, the people have a perfect reason to distrust this technology, because eventually govt will seize access.

I know if I were tied to the grid, I'd be looking to buy old used appliances or yanking out chips left and right from new ones for privacy's sake.

Quote from: supsalemgr on August 27, 2014, 04:19:53 AM
I am not so concerned about private businesses tracking because there interests are only to sell me more "stuff". The government is a whole different matter because their interests are control of our lives.

And I have no doubt libs think that's the solution. More govt control.

Add insult to injury.

DOT Proposes Mandating Cars Broadcast Location, Direction and Speed

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, part of the Department of Transportation, published last week an "advanced notice of proposed rulemaking" on "vehicle-to-vehicle communications."

What NHTSA is proposing could begin a transformation in the American transportation system that makes our lives better and freer — or gives government more power over where we go and when.

In announcing its proposed rulemaking, NHTSA is stressing its intention to protect the "privacy" of American drivers.

"This document initiates rulemaking that would propose to create a new Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard, FMVSS No. 150, to require vehicle-to-vehicle communication capability for light vehicles," says NHTSA's dryly-worded notice.

"Our research to date suggests that drivers may be concerned about the possibility that the government or a private entity could use V2V communications to track their daily activities and whereabouts," said the report. "However, as designed, NHTSA is confident that the V2V system both achieves the agency's safety goals and protects consumer privacy appropriately."

Like any other instrument, the new automobile technology the federal government is now planning to mandate can be used for good or ill. Certainly, automated automobile warning systems based on accurate data broadcast by other people's cars and roadway infrastructure can save lives.

But as vehicles become fully automated, as they surely will, and the people in them no longer have absolute control over the vehicle's movements, a key question will be: Who does?

http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/terence-p-jeffrey/dot-proposes-mandating-cars-broadcast-location-direction-and-speed

Okay seriously ... my proposition with Israel was moved to the Nut House, and yet this gets STICKIED!?

Asides from that, I do agree that surveillance is increasing, but I do not think that it will lead to any significantly increased control. The only being with the mental processing to control an entire population would be a massive sentient artificial intelligence living in some massive server or series of servers with connection to the internet and to all of this data, and even then, the most they could do is, as you say, remotely de-activate certain devices, etc, or form public policy. I suppose the worst situation is if said AI simply decided to lock all of your hi-tech doors on your house in order to punish you or something.

Low tech and off the grid is by far a better way to go when it comes to your personal home. Like a cabin in the woods, a castle in the sky, a manor on the lake, all of that jazz.

Certainly avoid buying smart technology for your home, and leave your doors on hinges rather than vacuum sealed electronic doors. Smart choices. The lower your personal tech, the less likely your life can be impacted by any government agency or sentient AI, if that is your concern.

Quote from: Aristophanes on August 27, 2014, 04:26:17 PM
Okay seriously ... my proposition with Israel was moved to the Nut House, and yet this gets STICKIED!?

Last time I checked, Israel was not part of the US.

QuoteAsides from that, I do agree that surveillance is increasing, but I do not think that it will lead to any significantly increased control.

So the NSA,  IRS scandals nothing more than anomalies?

QuoteThe only being with the mental processing to control an entire population would be a massive sentient artificial intelligence living in some massive server or series of servers with connection to the internet and to all of this data, and even then, the most they could do is, as you say, remotely de-activate certain devices, etc, or form public policy. I suppose the worst situation is if said AI simply decided to lock all of your hi-tech doors on your house in order to punish you or something.

Low tech and off the grid is by far a better way to go when it comes to your personal home. Like a cabin in the woods, a castle in the sky, a manor on the lake, all of that jazz.

Certainly avoid buying smart technology for your home, and leave your doors on hinges rather than vacuum sealed electronic doors. Smart choices. The lower your personal tech, the less likely your life can be impacted by any government agency or sentient AI, if that is your concern.

Lets try and keep in the present, OK?
Losing ones Liberties is not an anomaly, the Fed has been usurping our freedoms for decades and this last decade was the worst in 60 years.

And yes, I live in the mountains off the grid and it was the smartest move I ever made.